The Know Show – focusing on imposter syndrome and what we can do about it

Welcome to The Know Show. This week Andrea Edwards, Tim Wade and Joe Augustin will be joined by Anupama (Annu) Singal and we’re going to dig into imposter syndrome, why it happens, how it impacts women (predominantly), and what we can do about it. With Anu on the show, expect body positivity and gender bias to be part of the conversation too. 

The Know Show is a Livestream held every Friday, where Andrea Edwards, Tim Wade, Joe Augustin and special guests review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters to all of us. 

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Welcome to the nose show. My name is Andrea Edwards. My name is Joe Augustine. And my name is Tim Wade, I'm back from my cruise. Yeah, he's the one he's the one who's glowing amongst the three of us. And he's got a nice post holiday Sunkist had a haircut, look at a haircut. I just put some stuff in it, but, but I didn't spend too much time in the sun to be honest, but, but I'm gonna take all of that I feel I tell you what I do feel I feel five kilos heavier. But it was good. It was good fun. Great stuff. So this is the show that we tried to take you on a bit of a journey where we hopefully end and end up where you were thinking about things a little bit more than you were when you first started off. And every week we introduce a guest to put in our midst as well to create some new thinking about what we're doing as well. And so Tim, can you introduce our guests? Sure, can. Our guest of this week is Anupama single. So Anna is? Well, in Andrea's words, and he's an amazing person. In but a little bit more about Andy's background, a fashion and technology entrepreneur, speaker, author, and catalyst from a transformational perspective. So really helps those those organizations change and run through change. He helps fashion companies see beyond tabular data and making better decisions driving profitability, productivity really much very much in the fashion side. And who welcome to the no show. It's great to have you here. Thank you. Thanks, Jim. Thank you so much. And again, Joe, for having me. That's correct. But how about you put it in your own language what you do? Yeah. I work into stream. So basically, I work with retailers and help them deploy technology solutions. So we have an innovative platform that helps them to more with that data, and in a visual analytics way. And then I also started a fashion company 10 years ago called Anna Marine, because I'm really, really passionate about body positivity, and helping women with their confidence. So yeah, so that's what I do a to stream person, what body positivity mean it's it just means that you are not afraid to own your own body in terms of how it looks and how it feels. And you don't try to like kind of hide yourself in oversized loose clothing. So from my perspective, of course, everybody has a different definition. But I do feel that like you know if people can just own their curves a bit more then they would feel healthier and fitter. This is exactly what I want to hear after my five kilos from the cruise ship well I have to cover the clothes that I have as well nothing is automatically loose anymore so I think I'm getting yes all your shirt to become crop tops for no apparent reason today, no I'm not sure I've got a vision of Joe in a crop top. It's not not a good vision. Stuff rolling cropped up, by the way as well. So it depends on where it sits. It can go either way suddenly. And he's got old style boot roller skates on Yeah, so I have to I have to give you a heads up if I meet because I have to have a cough. The boys came home with a with a head cold from schools going around everywhere. And because because nobody's been there's been no viruses like that circulating when they do circulate. They're a bit bit more ruthless than normal. So it's been a bit of a gremio week in, but I'm sending very sexually Husky Anna. Yeah, you need to sing some Fleetwood Mac. Oh, yeah. Oh, Bonnie Tyler. Yeah, Bonnie, Tyler, Bonnie. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you don't want to hear me do that. Alright, shall we get into? Shall we get stuck into the news that really struck a chord this week. And then there's lots going on. Obviously, in the last couple of weeks, we've been really focusing in on top 26. And that hasn't gone away in the environment crisis hasn't gone away. And I'll talk. I'll talk about the first of the environment stories in the second one, but I want to start with what's going on in Belorussia. Right now, have you guys notice this story? It's I'm finding it unbelievably heartbreaking. It's a terrible story. But basically, there's a humanitarian crisis at the border between Belarus and mainly mainly with Poland. And it's been it's a manufactured crisis. The Belarusian president has allowed refugees to fly into the country with one way tickets. They are then being directed to the point To the Polish border, as well as the Latvian, and there's another one, that's a widening Cambodian border, because they're all members of the EU. So they've been directed to these borders. But of course, on the other side, they're not allowing them in because especially Poland have been very, very, very anti refugees. So there's a lot of different reasons for this. So first of all, it's Lou chenko, basically, having a stroke, because he wants you to lift the sanctions and pay attention to him, because he had his election last year where he planned 80% victory, which was not true. But there's another side to this story that I think is really important. You know, we're always talking about look at all the different sides of the story. And so is it him trying to, you know, make make the EU do what he wants to do, which, you know, potentially is him blackmailing not just the EU, but Russia. And there's a prospect of a full scale global wall off the back of it, which is exactly what we need right now. But there's another side, so many are pointing fingers at Moscow, of course, and we would expect that from Western media, but they think that anything he's doing or saying has definitely got the, the approval from the Kremlin. And, of course, this is all linked to the gas pipeline, which is called Nord Stream two, and whether or not that goes ahead. So that's another part of the story. But there's also the third part of the story, which is a hostile Russia, and any trouble. Europe, eastern borders, is benefiting certain political parties in the West. And this is where I think we need to be paying attention because basically, the lobbyists, and what they call the military industrial complex, they like stuff like this, because it means there's more budget for defense, which means there's more more money being spent on defense equipment. So there's lots of things going on anyway, of fueling fears and divisions, that that helps somebody or something, right. And I think we need to be aware of it. But on the other side, the humanitarian side, here, we have a group of people that are fodder, or pawns in this dispute, and they're dying in freezing conditions, I think we need to remember the 50% of all refugees are children. So they're dying in these freezing conditions in Europe. And we've seen the situation with refugees across Europe, philosophy is nobody wants to let them in. And we are facing millions of climate refugees in the very near future. Are we going to just be treating everybody the same way? Or are we going to start to get ready for it? Are we going to start to build facilities that can take these people in so that they've got an opportunity to at least have some dignity or not dying and freezing cold? So there's a lot of different ways that this story can be looked at. And I really want to encourage everyone to look at all the different angles, not just accept one truth, depending on where you are in the world. Apparently, the crime the crisis has now been de escalated. Because if they're flown 5000 Iraqis back to Iraq, but it's sort of shows the sort of games that political leaders are willing to play and I'm going to tell you another thing. How many more sociopathic you know narcissistic leaders, they're going to be voted into positions around the world, because I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting a bit sick of them. I think it might be time for women to rule the world. What do you think? Well, so long as they're not narcissists and sociopaths. We haven't got any bad ones. Have we got examples of women being like that heavy? I haven't taken one, maybe going back into the time of Queens and emphasis, but not not in recent history. Yeah. I mean, okay, well, we'll we'll leave that one on the table for whether we should roll well, but the but I, I'm just, I'm shocked at how he's managed to do this. It's a landlocked country, with, you know, with Russia on on Russia and Ukraine, taking up the majority of their borders, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland on the other ones. And like you rightly said, they're the all the people are stationed on predominantly Lithuania and Poland, I think, on those borders and and the EU standoff because he's got sanctions imposed on Belarus by the EU, which he wants lifted, and he keeps threatening to use refugee let refugees cross the borders, while then also declaring that he isn't doing that. And then they're all there. And how they actually got there because it's landlocked, there hasn't it's not as if they've walked across and they genuinely, genuinely let them in. They've they've people have escaped from their calamity to walk into another one. That the challenge with your your question, Andrea, which I thought was really good one is, how prepared is the world to, to take in refugees with climate crisis is these sorts of political maneuvers are just locking people down to being against them. And then you're going to see political campaigns of, we're going to lock our borders versus we're going to let people in and be humanitarian, and the lock borders person will win the election, because people are fearful of losing what they have to, to what they think in their heads are sort of a bunch of homeless gypsies. So, you know, it's, it's, I just, you know, if I was a superhero, I'd be taking out people like this, you know, they're not taking a map. I mean, that would be my, that would be the bullies, and the ones that are just doing these sorts of injustices, they're just the ones that I just feel. And again, you what you said, rightly, as well as look at all the sides of the story, which I haven't. I mean, I don't know how many other sides of the story there. I certainly haven't heard his side of the story. But, but it's, it just sounds appalling. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, I can't claim to be in the know of everything on this. But I do feel that like, you know, having lived in a cold part of India, like all my growing up years, I do know, how cold can affect people, and how it just like, kind of makes you like, you know, you can't do anything, like to the point when if your hands and your feet are like, you know, feeling so cold that you can't even properly breed. And these people may not even have the privileges that we had, like, you know, of having warm clothing of having, you know, a warm house and low meals to have to heat ourselves up. So I think from that perspective, I do feel like, you know, the more that all of us can talk about it, and spread, you know, this emotion, I think somewhere it does build up, you know, momentum to solve, you know, for work on issues like this. So I think and yeah, like you're doing this on the no show and bringing these issues, too light for people to just think about it, and, you know, to speak about it and get involved in some manner within their communities, I think, spreads that. So yeah, but the main thing is, we've got to get prepared, we've just got to get prepared. And we've got to know, the amount of the men and women and children that have been sold into slavery, because they, you know, they've been picked up and kidnapped on the, on these refugee trials, right, we've just, we've just got to get prepared, give people a place to go. And they can stay there and they can be warm, they can be fed, the charities can take care of them, and create jobs, but building these facilities, and then when we can work out where they can be, where they can be distributed around the world, you know, just, I've just got to start thinking about this sort of stuff, and that it doesn't come out, you know, you didn't say, come up at COP 26. You know, these conversations aren't happening. So I just told you that nobody's getting ready for it, that global leadership and global thinking it's just, you know, it's not happening. It's not pervasive, especially in the media. And I don't want to live in a world I don't want my children to live in a world where, you know, having spears to keep people out, you know, that sort of stuff that you saying, and you know, the journalists have been kept kept out of the borders on both sides of the border, in this in this crisis. So no one's getting the truth. You know, and it's just, we can be better than that. Maybe one of the reasons it doesn't get out as much in the news of people doing it, because it's actually being used in the whole situation by certain leaders. It's like, I think, and it's happening there today, Morrow, it could be in another place, and so on. So like, where does it stop? Yeah. So I want to I want to get on to the environment story. So obviously, we've been really focused on that for the last couple of weeks. And Joe spent a great sport because it's not one of his sort of passion focus areas, but you've been awesome, but I don't think any of us could have missed the story out of North North America's west coast this week. And the word unprecedented was used again. The worst weather storm in a century was the headline and of course when we've looked at the waters look at like at 1.52 degrees 2.5 degrees those once in 100 years events become once your tenure is once in two years, right? Alright. And I've never heard this phrase before. What happened was due to an atmospheric river is that the first time you guys have ever heard that term? Well, I don't know exactly what it is but I'm guessing it's a kind of a a pushing the heat stream or something like that was that Yeah, so the water in warm water gets pulled up into the stratosphere and then it goes up north into the and then it comes down into the mountains and it created and this is my using big words exponent Obviously, yeah, never look into it. But I've never seen that before. And it's not the last time it could potentially happen. But the infrastructure damage has been catastrophic. And they're being completely caught by surprise. So just to give you just to give you a feel. So from a supply chain perspective, we all know that supply chains are in a mess since the pandemic began, and it's going to be probably at least 12 months before they get back online. Right. So right now, the point the ports on the west coast of Canada, I completely cut off by road and by rail. And they are assessing the route damage right now. And they have no idea when it'll be running again, the main highway that connects Metro Vancouver to the south, three quarters of a million commercial trucks transit this highway every year, it's gone. And they expect it to take several weeks or months to be to reopen. Highway three is impossible, because the Fraser Canyon route has been smashed by rockslides and waterfalls that have burst out of nowhere. And there's so so so many other roads and catastrophes, there's even a place in America right up north near the Canadian border, that used to be a river that got drained for to become towns, and now it's a river again, up to 18,000 people have been evacuated. And it's not like they can go home if their home is still there, because the gas pots are broken, so they can't heat the home. So water pipes are broken, so they can't get fresh water. The shops and the supermarkets are already out. So it's um, you know, and it's also a region that's been dealing with the wildfires in the heat dome for just a few months ago. So it's a, it's a real, it's a, it's a, it's a giant mess. And when one of the experts has basically said that, they've looked at the harvest to communities, and they're basically saying it, it's coming siding with some of the areas that have been logged the hardest, especially on the mountain ranges. So without the trees, the trees manage the water flow. So that's a problem also the the mountain pine beetle, which is a beetle that's moved up north into Canada, and is destroying the trees. And of course, then the fires that destroyed the trees in the summertime. So basically, that's, that's the accumulation of all why all of these happen. So they are looking at as a tipping point moment. And the word tipping point is not something that we want to hear right now. So yeah, so it's been and this news is we and they've got more storms on the way. So this is news, at least it's gonna is potentially going to get worse. So a pretty big wonder when they're gonna start using the word precedented. This is very precedented. We should be using it more often. We should stop making it more popular. So this is very precedented, and yet people aren't doing anything about it. I don't like using words that other people are using. So if you make it common I have to I can't use it anymore. I heard this first from Andrea. I'm not come up with new words for you. Manufacturing the words for you? Well, if it's if everything is unprecedented at some point, it's got to be precedented. Yeah, so we're still in the unprecedented stage. Let's hope we don't move into the precedented stature. Yeah, let's be smart enough. It's It's I mean that the thing is, moments like Glasgow which should be able to shoot people should be rattled enough to make some bigger decisions and take them bigger action but fundamentally economics always Trump's sensibilities on end, and really thinking insular as I gotta protect my own people. And, and sell to everybody else. So we're still looking at profit of a planet. I don't know. Profit. Sorry. Sorry. Good. No. So I think we've got another issue on our hands. So you know, we obviously all think about this a lot. But yes, its profit. So we do have businesses that are pushing for profit, yes. And don't want to they want business to keep going and the power. Yeah. But the power is the thing, right. And so right now, politicians cannot get elected on a climate ticket. Because enough of the people in their in their electorate aren't committed to the action that needs to be taken and the sacrifice that needs to be made. So until the people get the message, that what is at stake and what we must do to change it. We're not going to vote for the politicians who've got the guts to change it. And we're not going to be able to force the businesses to change it. Because I think the other thing is businesses are in a bit of a bind because they know that in order to do what's right, like we have to face an economic catastrophe, but I All right. So it's like, well, we're all we're all we're all in a bit of a stalemate. But the main issue is, is ask the voters. And I think that's, that's, you know, that's why I sort of focus my energy on like, Come on, guys, come on, wake up, wake up. Because as soon as you understand how big this is, like, I just watched a video Susanna hasn't heard sent me a video of George Manobo crying on a TV interview because he understands what's at stake. And until people understand what's taking comfortably cry on national TV, then then when we're not moving forward, so it's to me, that's the that's a bit that's missing. But then not accepting, not accepting the truth, not facing the truth, not hearing it, not wanting to confront it. I think that's, that's what's at stake. That's just my thoughts. Yeah. I think like, there's someone was saying about Canada, like, my brother in law lives there. And it's like, the real struggle, they just moved into a new home, and they want to get furniture, but for three months, they can't get anything. He said, like, whatever they are trying to buy. It's like, oh, he come like, three months later, four months later, there's no visibility on what's happening. And I think one of the points that just not Tim, and you both were mentioning, I think it's until it becomes somebody is like, specific KPI and agenda. It's not just like, you know, that, okay, the government wants to do something, and they are doing it for power or for their people, I think it has to be that somebody needs to within the, within the government of every country, every region, there has to be somebody whose job is just that not not to do it as a side, but very specific down to something like, okay, this person is going to work on initiative a, and that's the only way when it is their KPI, then it's going to get done. Like I'm an entrepreneur, I know that like, you know, until we actually put somebody in charge of doing something very, very specific, it just doesn't get done as a group effort. Right, because everybody has their own things that they're running behind. And everybody has their own agendas, whether they be personnel, like, you know, organizational, but you have to put the task force and that person, whoever is leading that task force has to deliver something on that. So obviously, when it will probably get you. Yeah, sorry, my, the problem is, what was what we're saying is, so countries like France, have introduced taxes on petrol, right. And basically, you might as well kiss your political career goodbye, if you want to do something like that. We've seen it in Australia, we've seen it in Nigeria, we just seeing these protests, because the cost to it has to be borne by all of us. And, and inequality is a big issue. So the poorest people in the poorest nations are going to suffer, you know, the, the burden of the cost, they can't, so they're going to protest. So that that's the other problem is the people are rising up against the necessary changes. But you wouldn't be rising up against the changes if you could actually understand why the changes need to happen in the first place. So we need to work out how to roll this out around the world where the the wealthiest have to take on the burden of the cost, not the poorest, because as we've talked about, before, the poorest countries on the earth need to work out how to how to harness energy so that they can have better lives without destroying the planet. And then the wealthier countries need to reduce the energy and also harness, you know, better better sources of energy, so that they're also not destroying it. So it's a it's a, it's a, it's a real, it's a it's a very complicated and messy thing. But at the same time, it's not like the richest countries need to reduce their emissions significantly, drastically, immediately, within this decade, the poorest countries need investment from the richest countries to work out how to harness energy in a way that's not going to kill the environment. And the poorest people can't cop the burden, the financial burden of this because it's going to make, they're going to go backwards when they're just set it to move forwards. So that's, that's, that's the thing that, you know, that's the balance that we're trying to make, we have to come down, they need to come up, but we sort of need to meet in the middle where the energy we use, because you know, if you look at, you know, some of the greatest books that have ever been written ever you guys read, why the West rules for now. And there's another one diamond, I can't remember his name, and human humans move forward when we learn how to harness energy. That's where progress is. It's always around energy. The energy that we harnessed over 100 years ago, is now destroying the stability of our Earth. So we need to harness a new form of energy to help us all move forward. You know, that's kind of at the bottom of it. I think has a lot to do with impact in a much more tangible way. You know, I think the problem with a lot of these big problems where everyone understands the idea that the big problem is there, it's just that when you do the thing that is to try and change that problem, or try to fix the problem, how much of it is going to make that much of a difference? How do you know you're, you're making a difference. And let's see, everybody gets together and does this one thing. It's such a slow thing, it's like, you know, it's like, turning the steering on a ship and trying to look out the window and go, like, what's happening, and everyone's still working on this, but it's gonna take a really long time, all that consistent behavior that's gonna make a result that we will see in a while. And I think human beings are just not set up. That way, you know, I'll just thinking about what what what this might be the equivalent of is, like, you hear many times of the story of someone who's cut off their arm to save their life, right? They're, they're stuck in an adventure situation, and they've done that. But the truth is, most people aren't going to be able to do that to make that sacrifice, which is for the bigger thing that has to happen. So the livelihoods that we have that may be based on traditional energy sources, or other ways of doing things that may not be as friendly, let's say you're working in the, in the fashion industry, for you to say, I'm going to cut off my hand right now, so that I can move forward and do the next thing. Well, it's quite a challenge, you know, it's very challenging. It is it is true, and whatever Andrea said just now, which is that, you know, if a leader puts in a particular kind of tax, which doesn't resonate with the masses, they are not going to get it through, and there's going to be an outbreak because of that. And I think that if you just think of it as an organization who's trying to build momentum or market themselves, right, unless that urgency, or that effect of whatever is going on is actually felt by the, you know, individual person on the street, right, people are not going to get it as well. So I think it's normal, just like putting a tax or putting policy, which kind of imposes something on the people that people need to understand, like, you know, why this is being done. And if people don't talk about it, and don't share, like all the details, and don't try to rally, and it is happening, I'm not saying that it's not happening, like, you know, people are getting together, right, people are creating within their community. So like, just a small example, I come from a Fashion Institute, and we have a WhatsApp group. And just like, you know, a couple of days ago, somebody shared in that and ask the question, that there are so many big fashion leaders in this group, right? People around like, you know, between 40 to 55 years old, in that group, and he's like, how many of you have changed the way you use poly bags? Right? Are they like, have people totally done away with it? Or are they like, you know, totally recyclable material packaging material is being used and all and then the conversation is still going on? In the chat, because it is difficult to change. It's not easy, like, you know, so, leaders are making changes, right, but until it is felt by the consumers, and the consumers understand that, why we are not getting this information on the package a why we are not getting our product packaged like this, it's not going to change. So it's, it's change bottoms up. Yeah, but we need to actively educate ourselves. So you know, buying fashion, the fashion industry is a great, great example of absolutely atrocious, you know, it hasn't changed at all the big major brands, and, you know, the lack of dignity in the supply chain, the environmental pollution, you know, and it hasn't changed. And to me, there's just, you know, there's no excuse for a day's deforestation for the leather. So we have our luxury bags, there is no excuse for it. You know, this is an industry and I'm not talking about people like you and your size of business and Oh, but the big global brands, you know, they dumped they dumped the supply chain employees when the pandemic broke out and abandoned them they didn't pay they didn't pay for the goods that have been produced I just abandoned you know, we have a we have friends who were running factories, and they were like scrambling like how to pay the people how to keep, you know, feed their families. And so it's actually been very tough. And in fact, the whole you know, there's a big community of factories and factory owners in Bangladesh, that services the whole, you know, the world right with manufacturing, and they were just like they had to get together and just kind of say that we are going to boycott you. And we're not going to service you when the things get okay, if you don't clear your outstanding bills. Yeah, the things were shipped right and typically there is a certain period after which they received the payment. So if the goods are already shipped, and now you don't pay, right, the factories like how are they going to run and then About but we'll go back and buy those clothes from those fashion brands again and ignore that ignore what they did to their, essentially their employees, you know, there, it might be a supply chain, there might not be direct employees. But you know, we can't buy those clothes unless they get they get made, you know at that sort of cost, which is why they go there. But the other interesting part about the fall fashion industry is they've now been abandoned a second time because because of COVID. So countries like Vietnam, they've decided to move their production facilities into Eastern Europe, because they can't get the fashion made in Vietnam. So now they're abandoning them again, you know, and it's like, when do we the people say, Well, I'm not supporting a brand that behaves that way. And so that's the other thing. It's like, we turn a blind eye to the truth of, you know, we wear these clothes, or we buy these items, and people suffer, and the environment suffers. But we still buy them. And we still support the businesses that make them. So the businesses aren't changing. Well, come on. I know a lot of a lot of consumers are changing. A lot of consumers are changing this, I think there is a lot of noise being made about this, and people are changing. Maybe like, you know, we need to talk more. Right, we definitely need to talk more with Julian. Hmm, which big brands were doing it. All I can I can speak about Coach because I I've been doing a show for them the last couple of years. And what I was pretty impressed by was what we were doing in response to having a more environmental approach to doing things. And when I heard what they did, I thought that that's a clever way of doing it and saying, let's go and switch, flip the switch completely, we're not going to do 100%. But what they've done is they've given themselves quarters and how much they can use, which is. So this is not going to sit well with the pure environmentalist to say you should be 100% reusable or reused material. But they have specified now that a percentage of whatever they do in store, whether it's store decorations, whether it's bags, whether it's new equipment has to be made from reused material, so that they've specified at least 25%, I think it was a number that they had, I want to make sure that I'm not pressing any NDAs that I'm not supposed to reveal the information I found out but so that that kind of stuff is what they're doing. And they're also working on a few new lines as well, what they've done is taken this need for the consumer to be more socially responsible, as well as environmentally responsible. And they turn that into a business opportunity. Right. So when I know that doesn't sit well with some people, but I always think business actually, when you have a good business motivation to drive something, it kind of gets done. So they are devoting some some energy to creating stores that will sell only reused or re furbished or re purposed coach as well. So you know, all coach becomes new again, and they resell it so that they're actually going to have some impact. It has a positive impact in terms of the commercial side of the business. And I think that the staff feels really good about that, as well, because now they feel they're no longer or don't feel that they're no longer part of that. They feel that they're on the better side, in terms of being in the fashion industry. So I think that there are definitely people who are doing something about that. And I would watch coach to see what, what happens with them in the next few years. Because they're doing it right, in terms of what they say they want to do. I think they are engaging the staff in the process as well. And the customers are responding to it. Didn't they done really well this past year? Yeah, I'm a coach fan. But you know, again, you know, Amazon deforestation hit a record record 15 year high to this day, just reported this week, right? Where to coach and all the other luxury brands get their leather from, you know, is it is it from the deforestation, you know, and so sort of questions and the the consumer has to work really, really, really hard to find the information and make sure that they're buying the brands that are really doing the good work. And you know, I'm happy to hear the coaches moving in the right direction, but that the industry as a whole has not has not changed. They have not changed in the fast fashion section of the industry is the biggest problem, especially because they're full of plastic as well. So, yeah, I mean, it's a big one, but so, you know, cop 26 Obviously, there's been a lot of talk since then. very reflective, deep, thoughtful thinking. I think the consensus is that it was a failure. Many years speaking of progress, but as I said last week, 20 years ago, even 10 years ago, this would have been progress. Now. It's just alarming. And you know, what we've seen in Canada is a sign of escalation, right? One summary said the poor came away with next to nothing. There's little urgency. And we're still heading for catastrophe. So the idea that we were going to rein in emission so that we didn't pass 1.5 is definitely not going to happen. So you know, so we obviously saw what we saw in North America. But then, of course, in New Delhi, they've experienced one of the worst November's on record for pollution in the city, they've actually had to COP. The irony is, they had to close down the coal, coal facilities around Delhi to see if they could stop the toxic pollution. And of course, I don't blame India, for the for the situation we're in. They've said, they're going to get down to net zero by 2070. But then Modi very cleverly said, give us a trillion dollars, we might be able to do it sooner. But they were the country that led the fuel lobby, to change the language from phase out to phase down of coal power. So you know, it's kind of a bit of irony as well this week. But if you go to Delhi in November, this is the time for the for the really bad pollution because of course, the farmers are also burning up north. And that's that's a big part of it as well. But that kind of felt a bit ironic for me. And anyone else looking at that one? Well, I was looking back at COP 26, in terms of what happens on the sidelines of it. And I hear a different kind of enthusiasm when I when I hear about the technologists who gather and share ideas. Because I think they there is a lot of galvanization of when you when I think there's more than just the policy, people that come together. They're the business people, the innovators, the entrepreneurs, and people who are really trying to find some solutions to the problems. And when they come together and they try to fix those problems. I think I think there's more coming out of that. So I think they call it a failure on its surface, maybe valid at this point. Because I think in terms of what it's been able to produce, right now, if you measure it a week after the fact. Yeah, maybe that's the case. But I'm hoping that you know, at this big gathering where people from many kinds, many parts of industry, it types of industries as well, when they come together, that they can come together and create something that is going to make a difference, right? Because I mean, I mean, I'm in the crypto space. I like I like what it represents. But I also know people who are using Blockchain technology and other stuff for good as well. So I'm certain that they are some people who are very wealthy, who have become wealthy because of crypto and right now they're interested in other areas as well in trying to sort these problems out. And I think what you'll see is you'll see a lot of technology being integrated into stuff like fashion, for instance, so that you'll be able to know for sure if this letter came from, you know, a source that is not well, if not, and damaging, at least where they try to make some compensation for it. You know, there's a lot of stuff happening technology, finance, it's not always bad people who make money. It's also people who come up with new solutions or ways to measure and attract things. So I'm hoping that cup 26, you're going to find the people who who are going to figure a better case for Responsible building responsible steel, who figure a much better way to figure out, you know, energy, for instance, somewhere in there, someone, maybe realize I figured out a way to do nuclear energy in a safe way. Someone figured out how you could do that, or even a next level of energy consumption or production that would change the world. It'd be driven by something like coffee. I like your hope. I do. But I come here any way was there any version of it? Was there any Oracle looking into a crystal ball where Blasco could have been hailed a success? Because I can't see. I can't see how could have. I just yeah, the only potential success that I had was that fossil fuels were used in the documentation for the very first time. So the use of the words that was under there was quite remarkable. Well then use it for the first time. Oh, good. We've got a chance in about 20 to 35. But, so it's it's one of those things where I think I think you nailed it actually Andrea the earlier in the show Where, where it was about because the politicians are, are driven by votes about staying in power. And if the people, if they can get away with not doing anything and stay in power, they will. Yeah. It if I don't know this, this picture is coming to me like the Earth, if the earth was heading directly towards the sun for whatever reason we stopped orbiting, and we're heading directly towards the sun. This is a bad analogy in one sense, because the only solution out of this is probably to have coal fired everything to blow blast away away from the sun. But, but let's, it's like the planets heading towards the sun, which gives us a definite timeline of boiling to death. And we've all gone to a meeting and gone, you know what, let's just talk about the wording and keep everything normal. And then, you know, we all patting ourselves on the back, well, no, we're still heading towards the sun. It's, it's, it's like, what are we doing, to get away to change anything. And, and so it's almost like, politicians needed to be to be forewarned that if you don't get a result, you will be voted out in the next election. And that there was enough people signing a petition, you know, or, or enough to get them to go, wow, there's, there's, you know, this, 5 million people have signed this. If you don't come up with something, we're gonna vote you out. I mean, maybe that could have been the thing. And, and then, of course, all we'd be hearing now is them, if nothing had changed, that they would be trying to spin what had happened, what they tried to do, or finger pointing, you know, blaming India or something like that. But fundamentally, then it comes down to it, I can understand, I can understand India, saying we need the coal power, because we've got over a billion people, and we need to do xy, and you know, we're gonna keep them warm and fire this up and everything else. But you know, you give India $10 billion or trillion dollars to do something about it, and you give some other country a trillion dollars, and my gut feel is that the disorganization and the corruption, will see the result in India not be as effective as that other place, for example, so then it comes down to the fact that we just don't trust the people who are, who are doing it, the fact that India was leading it, and it does kind of make sense, you know, kind of goes, then makes me think if I was the coal lobbyists, who would I pay to champion my cause? And if I could pay them, and they championed it, then I've won. They've got paid. And so the law comes down to nobody trusts anybody anymore. Yeah. And so it, then it comes down to, we need to remove the people that we don't trust. And then that comes down to us voting, but we can't vote for India. So something very interesting comes to my mind listening to you. I'm no expert on this. Right. In fact, like, I don't know too much details about this. But as you were saying this, it reminded me recently, somebody posted a video on Tik Tok. And basically what she was saying was that, how do people get into positions of power in politics, right? It's through voting. But there are many ways to get the votes, why is there no entrance examination into this whole system, like people should be kind of, you know, assessed on their understanding of the issue, what they can do with it, like, even as a simple like 16 year old or 17 year old, he wants to become an engineer in India, he has to go through so much of competition. These days, the cutoff in India in the best of Delhi universities, or the simplest of Delhi universities is about 98 99%. So like, if you didn't get 98 99%, as a school, you're not going to get a college seat. And that's like millions of students, right. So how do we how are we choosing the leaders? Who are going to take us through all these challenges? Which are global challenges present everywhere, right? Is there something that can be initiated that these people are first educated about the issues and how to solve the issues and then build the, you know, build them into these positions of power, not just through like, voting of people who, who may not even understand that these issues exist, but an average person on the street like myself? I don't I don't know. I don't claim to understand many of these issues in detail. Like but I can still go and vote for someone who may not be even like 5% Having 5% skills to solve this issue. interesting, actually, you make an interesting point in that, what qualifications does somebody have to be a politician? In a sense, right? Usually the good speech givers? Well, the television seems to be at right. So America just had one because of television. And the in the election seem to be one now based on television. Who else got in for television? It I mean, it goes, it goes, it goes back to the Roman times, you know, it was the origin. Exactly. That's it, that's what it is, you know, and being charming. And being eloquence, obviously, being intelligent, is usually a good thing to have. But it falls out of fashion, I think intelligence has fallen out of fashion. And in recent times, I think people have way too much self confidence based on nothing, particularly to back it up, right. So they're very confident of their ideas and what they can do, but the basis of it is not very strong frequently. So in motivational speakers, it could be a lot of things. I mean, it's you know, like, if you look at if you look at what's happening in terms of the the internet, for instance, it doesn't like what you see in the social media, who succeeds what kind of people succeed, you know, the the impression you get, because it's very little documentary proof otherwise, is that well, that's the sign of that. That's, that's how success is. It's created in the world today. That's the world we live in, right? Yeah. I mean, I'm not my, my, my, my daughter is in no way a shallow person. But she's, I asked her what, what, what, what, what, what would you like to do? And she kind of looked at me, like, being famous would be nice. You know, I mean, she's she's, she's, she recognizes there's something about being a celebrity. And I thought that was an interesting insight, because it means that somewhere inside all of us, we recognize that there is something attractive about that particular way of living, or just being just being famous and wealthy, whatever it is, write something about that is attractive. And if we see that pursuing those things, pays off dividends, then it makes us go, Okay, well, let's try and do that. Right. Yeah, I suppose means incense. Yeah. The percentage of success of in that space is about the same as the percentage of being able to become a billionaire or a millionaire. It's point 00000 1% of people who actually become successful at it. So you know, influencer, or YouTube star is one of the categories of children. Career Options today, obviously, we never had that one. Well, kids, right. So you know, it's on the table, but I don't know, you kind of look around. Not to say that it becomes the ambition that they choose for themselves. But I'm just saying that, you know, what it does is it reflects what human beings are about we are when we're flawed. Were a creature flawed by design, you know, in terms of making the best choices for ourselves. I think even as an individual, even as someone who's really smart, you have all the brain, you know, you have all the energy and education, you can make a bad decision about something, right? Yeah, actually, yeah. So I'll argue the point that we're not flawed by design, but we're flawed by choice. And we make some we make some pre pretty selfish choices. And I think that I think what we're looking at, from the global side that a lot of selfish choices, Bella, Ruth has a bunch of selfish choices coming to play. The I think, if you look at why somebody wants to be an actor, you know, as you were saying that there was two things popped into my head. One was, one was, well, three things actually. One was me wanting to be an actor, and then looking at the percentage of success, like Andrew just said, and deciding it's too risky to go down that path. And so I will do you know, something else instead. And then the the second thing that came into mind was, what would was Tony Robbins actually sort of saying, the reason why somebody wants to be famous, is actually to be loved and appreciated, is that they think that a lot of people will adore them, they will be validated, there'll be worthwhile. And then the third thing that came into mind was, was the matrix in the in the movie, The Matrix, and that reminds me, December's coming out, which means the next one's coming out, which is very exciting to see. But the in the matrix, the evil guy cipher, was sitting there with Mr. Smith, and he was eating a steak and he was saying, I know it's fake and everything else. And anyway, he was making a deal to betray them all. But he would be put back into the matrix. And Mrs. Smith was like, What do you want? And he goes, I want to be important. Like, like an actor. And Joe, I think there's another side to it, which is like, if you ask some of the keys, they also have some agenda, like they want to do something they want to impact or influence. And that's why they want to become famous or like, you know, go viral. And it's not just all about the fame. Like, I just take simple example of my son, he, he has some special needs. And from the longest time that I can remember, maybe he was five or six years old, he said, he wants to go viral on YouTube. And I was like, What are you going to do with it? Like, you know, why do you want to be viral, I just as a kid, you would keep drawing these tech men and trying to make like little videos with it. And then he said that I want to educate everybody about special needs. So it was not so much just like to be famous, it's also like to have something like, you know, and I think if we can ask as, like, you know, as guides or people around them, like, you know, whoever wants to be famous. And if we just delve a little bit deeper, and tie into that thing of what is the impact and influence that the person can bring about, right, just by being famous or going viral, it's a catch 22 Because you do something and then you get famous, right? And then you do more of the good stuff, which helps, you know, in some way and contributes to our community and the world. I know you do a lot of stuff, Tim, right to a lot of good work that you do. So it's like if you can have more influence and impact then you can do more. true to an extent but but what I think we're talking about two different things, because you know, the work yeah, she's doing brilliant, absolutely brilliant, right then, and he's got a purpose. When I talk to my boys, they want to go and launch a gaming channel. And like, why do you want to do it, everybody's doing that guy, think of something unique? Go and think go and do something nobody else is doing, you know, go and make an impact, go do something meaningful. And I'll show them kids doing beautiful things going look, look at this little girl in Nigeria. Isn't she amazing? Doing all these beautiful work to try and inspire them towards that. But I remember doing a speech for IPS is our community in Singapore. And it was about becoming an iconic speaker. And I asked everyone at the beginning, how many people in the room wanted to become an iconic speaker, and basically everyone put their hands up. And then I talked through the cost of being iconic. And then I said, How many people still want to be iconic, and only about 25% of people put their hands up. The cost of fame isn't widely understood. You know, it's not and there is a cost to it. So, but I've just been dragged up the environment thing, there's two, two stories that I think you guys will appreciate. The first one is the top gas exporters on the back of cop 26 have basically said that they are the victim of canceled culture, which I thought was awesome. It's in an official submission to United Nations, and the ongoing reduction Asian reduction isms and canceled culture on hydrocarbons. So I thought that was pretty good. You, Paul all things. But the other thing, the other piece of news that sort of gas traders, they're full of hot air. Exactly. Apparently, the COVID deniers are now switching to climate denial. So I think we've all got to get ready for much more of that conspiracy theories around that. Look, I just want to talk to the conspiracy theories. I've read David Ickes books. I always dig into the conspiracy theories and try and understand them. I understand they're very intelligent, they're very alluring, they always have some truth in them as well, which is why why you kind of sort of start to believe them. Yes, right. So I get it. But I also know that then there's not consistency. So for David Ike, for me, the inconsistent moment was when Barack Obama was elected. And the way he was speaking about people of color before and the way he spoke about people of color after that was a real sign of inconsistency, just as an example. So I just want to say to anyone who decides to look into these theories go for your life. But please remember, when you think the people that you think, are the ones who are trying to control us, they are, they are often the ones who are guiding these conspiracy theories. So just just keep your eyes open. That's all I'm gonna say. Conspiracy theories are alluring. I get it. But there's always inconsistencies and the climate crisis is not a conspiracy theory. And every time I think I hear people saying I'm talking about the people who are going to profit from it. But actually, that's kind of not the point of what we're trying to fight against. The people that we're trying to hold on to not changing are the ones who are risking the profit. So just wanted to make that one. Clear. Tim, you had a look at it, as well. Yeah, I would. I would speak to the conspiracy theorists in a slightly different way. And I would, I would say to them, and if they're listening, I am saying to you, you have a unique set of skills that are desperately needed in the world today, you have the you have the ability to rally, you have the ability to argue and debate you have the ability to you have the courage to, to speak out for something. And my, my challenge is it with what Andrew was saying was Choose, choose a fight that will save the world. You know, choose something like that. And the choose one that if you're wrong, good comes out of it. And if you're right, you save the planet. Yeah. You know, because because the the other side is, I mean, I talked about this, I talked about this a few months ago, I thought with my, my sort of two by two, it was the if you're wrong, and the planet dies. And if you're right, you're smug, that's not the best version. If you're right, and the planet thrives. And if you're wrong, people are helped. That's the real win win. Yeah, you know, so it's, it's choose the one where if you're right, there's good, and if you're wrong, there's good that that to me makes the most logical sense, your skill. And then the other one is, you know, if you've got this capability, and you've chosen the virtuous Road, then get get elected, you know, use that voice for, and that intelligence in a way that is going to make transformational difference to the planet. But those two prerequisites that he was talking about before from, you know, how do we select those two prerequisites that you've got the skill, you got to choose the the options where there's a win, there's a real win win, you know, and it's other people's winning here. So, you know, it's, it's sort of saying, use your skills for goodness and not evilness. Awesome. Should we? Not a joker? Should we should we jump into COVID. So Europe's become the epicenter? Again, I'm sure you guys have seen it with both fourth and fifth waves. So we have Angela Merkel stating that Germany has been hit with the full full force of COVID. They had nearly 53,000 cases reported just on Wednesday, Belgium and Holland obviously on red Austria lockdown, it's unvaccinated night off. I found that really remarkable. Pfizer made announcement that they're going to make their pills available in a generic version in 95 countries. But I'm going to try and say medical sent from ca. MSF. That's it. That's it from now, I'm not going to try and say it again. Here. Yeah, there'll be some heartened by the deal because it excluded Argentina and China, both countries which have really big, generic drug manufacturing facilities. And then stated the world now knows by now that access to go COVID-19 medical tools need to be guaranteed, guaranteed for everyone everywhere, if we really want to control these pandemic, another part of the pandemic news was American deer have now been reported to have to have the virus, it's still the same form of the virus. It hasn't mutated yet, or there's no variants. But apparently that's going to change the course of the pandemic. And then why was that? I didn't see that. I saw the headline, but I didn't read the article. What was the deal with the deer? Is it people in the beer? Or is it just the way that they spread it? Yeah, the way it's spreading, obviously, the variations of mutant mutations that can come as it continues to go through the the breed, the breed, which sort of roams all over the country, right. Okay. So far, what's been what's what's interesting about COVID and animals is, uh, yeah, the animals do get it. And I think the main concern that we do have is whether or not they can transfer back to humans. Yeah. And the evidence of that still seems to be you know, it's not as it's not as clear. Once you've done it's clear, it actually the evidence seems to indicate it doesn't happen. But of course, it it does interest the public when they hear about deer, getting, you know, catching COVID, you know, you hear about lions in the zoo, and you're like, oh, you know, always interested in that. So that that's the way we were attracted to sort of different, interesting, weird and wonderful, right. So if something comes up that way, in that category, we will pay attention to it. Not terribly. Two weeks, we can solve that problem though, Joe. In about two weeks time, there's going to be Santa Clauses everywhere. And we just need to test them to see if it transmits between the deer and the humans. Awesome. Thank you so much. It is not the deer. I think it is different because it hasn't. So once it's in the deer herd so that they roam and go wherever they go. Right. And, and the mutations, the variants sort of follow them around. But then that's the possibility of coming back into humans from the deer but it doesn't isn't necessarily from them to us. It could be from them to another animal to another animal and then back to us. So I suppose it's to me. Well, exactly, exactly. So when I read the story, I don't think it's an immediate threat. But I thought it was an interesting twist from a COVID perspective. And I did hear about the lions at the Singapore Zoo. Are they all right? They're all on the mend. So not great news for the rest of the creatures they feed on. But yeah, no. Deer at least. Yeah. All right, moving on. And there was one more vaccines COVID story in New Zealand that, you know, New Zealand was pretty late to the party from a COVID vaccine perspective. And the anti vaccine protests, which which was obviously sending New Zealand, Australia and everywhere in the world, they've been using the haka in their protests and the Maori tribe that owns the right to that hacker have basically said, stop using it. And I find it a particularly insensitive use. Because, you know, indigenous people around the world are the ones who are most impacted by the pandemic, over 70% of the American community has had at least one vaccination. I was pretty i The numbers were higher than I thought they would be. But obviously, for for that community, COVID is a huge threat. So that was another story that came out through the week. So that's my COVID Wrap Up. videos that you grabbed. I didn't see the hacker one, I found that one bizarre. I was trying to because I, I get I get the mount the Murray Group who was saying, that's our haka. Don't use our haka in your protest. I was then I was just like, how are they using the haka in the protest? I mean, what, just just to express the anger and angst that goes along with being nothing. You know, it's that it's, it's like, it's all wrong. Whoever came up with that idea was just dumb. They just wanted to get on television or something. It's just anyway, okay to be okay, but ended off in the rugby game. Was that is that basically what we need? No, no, kiwis. But you don't want that? Again? All right. Should we go into our theme for the week and we're talking about imposter syndrome. So this is something I think most of us suffer to some extent in our lives, right? I think for many, it can be really, really crippling and actually really reduce what they're capable of achieving in their life. So we're really happy to have a new here with us today. As we were talking about earlier, Body, body positivity is one of your things but imposter. Imposter syndrome. What is it? What are the challenges that people face? Who have it? How do we identify it? How do we overcome it? So I'll hand it over? Okay, great. Thanks for bringing this piece. I think I think they've been many times in my life. Like, I feel that I wouldn't do something just because of feeling that you know, I wasn't in that space. So for example, right? Even today, I wouldn't have joined this conversation. What are you doing? What we're talking about with imposter syndrome? Not know, oh, sorry. Excuse me. Okay. Tell me tell me tell me. So why why do you think wearing that wig and makes you? Like, what does it make you feel? Look, imposter syndrome is feeling like you shouldn't be there. Right? Is it? Not? Exactly. I mean, there are various theories about it, and people feel about it differently. But it's, I think, if you just simplify to a simple thing, it's like saying that feeling of fraud, right? So you feel like, okay, you know it, right? But you don't want to put yourself out there because you think that other people know more? So for example, I was just saying before You distracted me with that weekend. Sorry about that. The timing? Okay, it's okay. It's like, you know, like, the show I would have when Andrea asked me, I would have probably just said no, right, like, because I don't feel like I can talk about so many issues in the world that are happening. I do feel passionate about many of them. And I do read a little bit. And I try to follow and make sense of it all, but there's just too much happening. Right? And there's a lot going on. So unless you made it your business like Andrea has, right? And she's very passionate about a lot of things. People don't know, they don't have enough facts, maybe. But even in the area of work, this feeling percolates so you know, if you're a perfectionist, right, the As to 3%, of anything that you do, can take you much more effort and energy and time than what you spend doing the first 98%. Right? Because it will just feel that, oh, if you don't get this, right, people will think that you don't know your job, or you didn't do it, you know, the way you wanted to. And then there are like, you know, other people who are experts, right? So they're experts in a certain field, they have this thing that I need to know everything before I can get into it and start working on it. Many of our politicians are not, right. So that's what we were saying that maybe it's like, you don't take on anything, because you have that fear of failure, or the fear of being called a fraud, or a fake in a particular area. And I started getting interested into this, I think quite early in life, because I went to a college where I went into an engineering college, and typically the male to female or boys to girls ratio was like, 3040, to one. So like, in my class of 41, or 42. People, they were just two girls. In some streams, there were no girls at all. Right? So the major thinking or the generic thinking, I would say, is that, okay, this is not for girls. Right? That's why you don't have so many girls there. So the very fact that I was there should have made me feel that, yes, I'm more capable. But the general, you know, thinking in the society around it made me always doubt that am I in the right place? Or, you know, can I do this really well. And there were times like, you know, in the class, like, you know, people would come up in offer. So like, we had this mechanical engineering class, and we had to, you know, make some things on the lathe machines, and like, use these big hammers. And the assistant, the lab assistant came to me, and he said, you won't be able to do it, give it to me. And literally, even before I could stop him that no, I can do it, I feel I can do it. He just took the thing from my hand, and he just finished it in one stroke. Right? So what I'm trying to say is that sometimes it's the environment around you, which makes you feel like that. And sometimes it's your own thinking. So if you're somebody who's like, you know, really driven to be like you said, if I was a superhero, I would go and take out these guys, right? So there's something in you, which makes you feel that you can do it, right. And then you want to do it. But imposter syndrome is that you feel that you won't be able to do it to perfection, and you will get found out. So you kind of back off, you don't have that full confidence in yourself. And why why? What do you think I'm, yeah, no, no, I think I think you've nailed it. But you know, I think what's confusing about imposter syndrome, because it seems to be predominantly female, but it's not just a female issue. It's not, it's, um, Sheryl Sandberg said that she had it in her current position doing what she's doing in the world right now. So she said that she hadn't, and it's his fear of being found out. You know, like he said, the fear fear of being found out to be a fraud. Yes. But a lot of the people that I know that have had, it actually doesn't make sense why they think that right? So there's a Yeah, I mean, if you, if you think of it like a process, it's like, it's typically related to some kind of achievement related things or, you know, tasks or goals. And then you want to achieve something, you want to finish something. But you have this anxiety and self doubt that whether you can actually finish it to perfection, right. So you tend to tend to over prepare, you tend to take a little bit more time, right? And even though you have accomplished it, so let's say you finished it and you did it. But there's always this feeling of doubt that did I do it completely? Did I do it perfectly? And then even if people come and tell you that, Oh, you did great. But because of that whole niggling self doubt, you think that no, no, no, they're just saying it and just discount it. And no, I didn't do it, right. And then it kind of it's like a cycle. So the next time you go and tackle another project, the same feelings come up. Right? So it's like, again, you think that even though people told me that I did well, but you yourself, you kind of played down? So I think over like, you know, I did some research about it. I used to lead a team and I had a lot of women in the team. I've worked with Levi's for 15 years. So over different periods, I would always find that some of the women they were very good at that TAs, right. But they would always kind of not take that stage, take the limelight, they would do all the work and then give it to another team member and say you go and present it. Now I was like why are you doing this? Because I've seen you do this and they're like, you know, it's okay because like you know if somebody says something They like he can take the credit now was like, But why? It's like, because I'm not sure what if they asked me questions, and I was like you can say that you don't know you will get back on the work. So I think sometimes it's just that feeling of doing it. owning it that yes, there are parts that I may not be comfortable with. And I can stand up and say that I'm not comfortable about it, but I can get back. Right. So if you just face that fear, right that yeah, I have done it. I know. 95%. But this 5%? I'm not sure of, but I can face the questions by saying, I am not sure about it. I don't have to give all the answers on the spot to people. I don't have to be answerable to each and everything which surrounds this whole thing. Yeah. Have you faced any of you have faced this? Like, do you feel like sometimes? All the time? Yeah, I'd I don't know why the idea that it's a it's a thing that women suffer from more than men is a thing because I don't think I go by any day when I'm doing something significant, where I don't have that sense of like, Oh, my goodness, you know, so even even even coming on this show, I feel a level of stress before that, because I don't think I'm the guy who should be doing this. But there's also that other part of you that allows you to break through that feeling, you know, but it's a very normal thing. And I really think comes, it comes back to traditional parenting, right? I mean, sit down, sit down and shut up. That kind of voice comes along with you. And then if you especially when you are when you are brought up in an environment where I guess being right, is important that that might have some impact on how you look at whether or not you had the right to be speaking or right to be taking the space that you are attempting to take. So I did. Sorry. I was gonna say I did. Here's Cheryl's. I do think I definitely men and women have it as well. So yeah, it's, but I think that there is a cultural conditioning that disadvantages women, or girls in particular. And Sheryl Sandberg, I heard her speak about it. And she was, she was talking about just the words that we use to describe the behavior of a boy versus the baby of a girl, the boy would call as a leader, the girl would call this bossy. Yeah, I would say that that little girl is being bossy, but the little boy is being a leader. And they're doing exactly the same thing. And so then we give these these sorts of stereotypes. And we apply a stereotype that we have onto the kids, so that they don't feel that they're doing the right thing, and that they don't belong debate or they don't, they're not allowed to behave in a particular way, or that is wrong. For him, like that's so true. And then something like that I really faced a lot. And I really talk about it, you know, in many forums, which is breaking stereotypes, right? So it's like, a lot of people say that stereotypes are, you know, widely accepted beliefs, or thoughts about a certain type of people or a culture or a region or something like, like, girls wear pink boys were blue. Girls are not good at math. South Indians are good at coding, like, you know, so there are a lot of right. But what what I, what I really tell people, and I tell myself all the time, is that it's your personal stereotype. So there is something in your own head, which is your own stereotype. And you have made this image and told yourself that I am this kind of person. And then for you to break out of that is when you would be able to break the imposter syndrome. So a lot of times you just think that, okay, I'm not good at this. So for myself, it's like, okay, I'm not good at general knowledge. So I married a guy who's very good in general knowledge. That's why you marry. That's a very extreme way to get down on Trivial Pursuit. Yeah, on the date, it was like so what's the capital of Kazakhstan? Because those kinds of questions right. And matter just shows the conditioning that I grew up in as well. i My I'm from a family of academicians. So my parents were not really hard on me, but everybody was like a professor or a PhD or a double TS or something like that, right. So I felt the pressure that I I need to know everything. And that is one of the key mistakes that people think that instead of just their area, they are trying to compare their one knowledge to the combined knowledge of hundreds around them and then feeling insecure and in adequate, right. So I'll just leave you with this concept of SDT and SD FBT. So there's this thing called stereotype threat theory, and stereotype boost theory. And the whole logic is that if there is a negative thing attached to a certain stereotype, you tend to kind of, you know, reduce your performance or your effectiveness if you associate with that stereotype. So if I would, if I'm as a girl, if somebody said that, Okay, girls are not good at math, and I believed in that my mathematical abilities would go down. Right. But the good news is that the reverse is also true, that stereotype boosts theory. So if there's something that you can believe that, Okay, girls do it better, right, you will find that your performance will go up. So this is something that I have been using, like, for a long time, now, I can't even remember, but for many years, that if there's something that I feel like, you know, that it's pulling my performance down, right, I tend to kind of make something in my mind and say that this is what I can do better. And then use that as an example to say, I have my performance and I can, you know, kind of cut through this whole imposter syndrome. So if something like just to give you a live example, about my own self, if I am feeling that I can't step into something, and I feel like what do I bring to that situation? Right? So in my case, I feel that my energy is good, I bring good energy. And if I firmly believe in that, that I bring good energy, and then I tell myself that I may not have the facts, I may not have the skill set, I may not have the knowledge. But can I go there and take my energy with me to that room? And will it help the people in the room? Nice. And that helps me to do it. Yeah. So you took yourself out of yourself and started to say, it's like a speaker going on stage weren't wondering what's going to get a think of me, instead of I've got a gift to share with everybody in this room. Just flipping the perspective to helping versus me. Yes, yeah. your knowledge and your skill set and your experience from like, what I don't have versus what I have. And if you ground yourself to that, do you think your stereotype boost theory idea of going this is what girls are good at so, so I'm going to get even better at it. I know, it's a way of sort of, do you think that kind of reinforces stereotypes? I mean, he also breaks them? Right. But what I'm saying is, these are not my concept is highly researched. So if you Google it, you will get it. Right. Yeah, it's highly researched from experts, right. But what I'm saying is I use it, I use it to boost myself out of a situation. So like, I would feel very nervous, like Joe said, like, you know, being on a show like this, because I don't know what's going to come up. What do I have to comment on? Or? And I kept quiet for some of the places because I'm no expert at that. And I don't know the facts. Yeah. Right. So it's like, I think, I think if somebody were to say, like, you know, how can you how can you get out of this imposter syndrome? I mean, technically, you can't get out of it. Because if you're prone to feeling that it will take some muscles, like we said the other day about courage muscles, right? So this is like some breakthrough muscles of confidence. And I place it in the fashion brand, like, you know, when women come and they are like, Oh, my neck is like this, or my body is like this, or my hips are too big, or my boobs are too big, and so on. And it's it's like they're trying to hide themselves and just by hiding themselves in, you know, some oversized or loose clothing. They also stop doing certain things. I know of at least a dozen women who said this talk going swimming in my own circle, because they put on weight. And they don't they don't like how they look in a swimsuit. Yeah, yep. Yep, I stopped going swimming because every time I got in the water, a crew would try and rescue me and a whole protest about saving the whales. I had a problem I had Captain Ahab's chasing me with a harpoon. Now, I think I think what you've said there is really so think think of what you bring to a room or into a situation. And I think that's a really good example. But I do think we have a self worth question. ISIS in the world, and you know, all the things that we talked about at the moment, all the climate crisis stuff, all the COVID stuff, if the people who struggle the most within themselves, their self confidence, you know, every time I run a training course, it's like, why would anyone care what I've got to say that sort of that sort of stuff? To me, it's all linked. I think we've got a self worth crisis. And I think people really got to start to, to look at that within themselves and work out where did it start? Who put it there? Did you put it there? Did somebody else put it there, your society, your culture, your religion, is because you're now in your fame, or whatever it is, right? Because it just limits everybody so much, doesn't it? You know, and I think it's such a shame we're losing. There's so many people with so many gifts, you just don't have the confidence to get out there and give us their gifts because of that. And I, you know, I, when I look back on my life, and I look back at the imposter comes from the word deceiver and Latin for it's basically we feel like we're being a deceiver, we're deceiving people. And I look back on some big areas where I lacked where I really felt this imposter syndrome. And one of one of those times was when I was promoted into a position, and you know, the whole Peter Principle. So the whole Peter Principle is you get promoted, because you're competent into a position. And if you're competent, get promoted again. And you'll keep getting promoted, until you're in a position where you're incompetent, and then you'll stop being promoted. And so that means everybody who's in whatever position they're in are incompetent. And so, which is quite? Yeah, until until eventually they become competent, and then they get promoted into another incompetent position. And if we think I find that really helpful in one sense, in that is, it's the sort of in, in, in the fact that everybody is dealing with that uncertainty. In a sense, right? I've been promoted into a position where I'm uncomfortable, but in that discomfort, I expand, I become, I become I grow, I can grow into into that new position. So so then that means there needs to be a period of time in which I can immerse and learn. And that's the honeymoon period of getting getting to it, but some people, they bluff their way through that. And it gets a little bit struggling, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I, I would say don't use that. Don't think of it, like bluffing their way through it. Because maybe they're just doing stuff, right to learn new stuff. I think people immerse themselves, I think some people still bluff. I think some people will use their, their strengths, and charm and all this sort of stuff. And this is where we're having a problem in the politicians. Yeah, it's the charm. That's that and their oratory skills, not necessarily their expertise, and then their, their way of delivering a message sounds like they're an expert. And then they stopped listening to the scientists, you know, from from one perspective. Yeah, not the ones who have imposter syndrome. Exactly. Yeah, well, or maybe, from that, right, because typically somebody suffering from that or faces it and it's like, you know, time to time it, it may not be something which is with you all the time. But it comes and goes, you know, and I found like, you know, one of the way that you can deal with it is, maybe I'll just share, share one tip, or a couple of tips, which is that one is that just think of your life as if it's your job, or your career in a company. And then if we can list down everything good that you have done, when you feel good about and you think that that's an achievement, and it could just be like, Okay, I was able to, you know, learn how to like you spent in the RED camera and you have started walking and running earlier, you didn't do it, Eugene didn't do it. Right. But now you have done that, right. So that is an achievement. And if people list all these down, when you feel that, okay, I'm feeling the imposter syndrome, I'm good for nothing. I'm feeling self doubt. Can you just write down what are those areas where you're feeling self doubt, and you will find that you already have achievements in that area. So you can actually fall back on what you have done. So, you know, having a number of promotions. I also got promoted many times in a period of a few years. Right. But it was always because you are stepping out and taking on stuff. And Tim, I remember your talk from 2018. From what was that? What is the other one that not APSs convention? What is the other event? Speakers Academy? No, no, no, the other one. All the talks were been Thank you Yeah. Raise your game. Yes, that was my first experience with APSs. And he was on stage. And he gave this such a nice construct, which I think is very good for breaking, you know, this whole imposter syndrome. He said, create a report, and he can speak better about it, create a progress report, which you yourself publish to your manager every month, right? And then you also put it there, what you have done, what do you need help with, and publish it to the guy whether your manager wants it or not. So by the end of 12 months, one, it is his responsibility to give you support. Second, it's like you would have recorded your achievements. And you will not feel like a fake when asking for promotion or asking for a raise, because you have all the facts with you. So it's like keeping a log right. Tim, do you remember that? I'm amazed that you remembered all of that, although the report was supposed to be weekly, so that you would have 48 pieces of evidence that you deserve the great pay rise? That's too much for me. Huh, good? Well, I feel like I've made a difference down no longer an imposter. You think about it, right? A lot of reasons why people stay stuck in their career is because on that time, when they're supposed to speak up and say what they have done, they are not able to one because they don't have the data. Second, even if they have some recollection of what all they did, maybe they have some list, but they're not able to say it out, because that last two 3%, right, that they don't want to come across as being somebody who fake their way through it. Yep. So that is a very good strategy, right to have a kind of a log and reach out in that area where you kind of feel that, Oh, I haven't done this, or I can't do it, or I'm not good at it, or I'm losing self confidence. Go. And from there. Yeah. So to add on to that a nice little one would be you know, have a have a document somewhere where when you complete something, this is for yourself in life or at work, when you complete something, and you're like, I'm pretty chuffed for that website, I just made, just open up that document, just go, I just completed this website. And it was pretty good. And I never done it before to learn how to do this and was great, or whatever it is, and just pop it in there and then close the document. And every time you just add to it. And every so often, you can just go in there and actually do that sort of reminder of of the stuff that you actually have done, because we can diminish the stuff that we have done and accomplished, which I think is what you're saying, right? We can diminish the amazing. Yeah, even if people tell you you discounted but if you've made a record of it, it's it's more likely that you will remember it would you record in zero to 10. Like how good you think it was? Yeah. I like that. I do like that. And I think the thing that really, that really spoke to me, as you were sharing that was was the value of a conversation because I do recall, when I was promoted quickly, when I got to that highest position, I felt I was not qualified to be there. I felt like I didn't have enough time here to to feel comfortable enough. And then I got this promotion. And of course the money was great. But I felt like I was very exposed the whole time, that a lot of a lot of the time I I felt like I kind of I was you know, teetering on the edge of a cliff. But what would have been had I if I was able to go back in time and speak to myself then and some people tried to speak to me would be to, to be able to, to confess it to someone, really, in a weird way, share with someone and maybe not your manager because that could be the career limiting move. It's possibly where coaches get a lot of their work from, but but maybe a trusted friend or a colleague, or maybe somebody else in business, and just to be able to share with them. You know, sometimes I feel like an imposter because of this and this and this and this and get get yourself to talk it out. Because once it's out, it's no longer in here. And sure people can go Don't be silly, you're awesome, and you can still not accept it. But in a sense, by saying it out to sharing it with someone, you kind of are found out because you've shared it with someone. And that takes away the anxiety of that element of it. And then you can start dealing with the what's the root of this, which is where you're going before and where Andrew was going as well is like where did this really come from? And oftentimes, and we don't want to be i i don't really want to be pointing fingers at parents or or culture or this or that or everything else because they the context in which we are. But I, I do want to point the finger at myself for how I let that seed take root. And therefore, if I've got accountability over that, I've also got the power to go you know what, no more. Because, because if I let it grow, then I'm the gardener. And I, I can de weed as well. And I've got the opportunity to go, Hmm, that was interesting. And I, I'm going to forgive myself, because I was 17 at the time when I let that take root. But now it's time to, to, I don't want to chop down the tree because we're just be talking environmentalism. But I want to, I want to get rid of the virus. I want to, I want to, I want to administer a vaccine on this one. Because I don't need to let that ruin my life anymore. And some people are living in jobs, where are doing pieces of work where they no longer happy, but they're just doing it. Yeah. And they're doing it because it was a decision they made when they were 17. Yes, yes, it's true. It's true. And sometimes people are afraid to change. They're really afraid to change their, you know, lanes, just because they've been doing something for five years or invested five years. It's like, will I look like a fool? To everybody? If I now go and say I want to do this. So I went from steel from, like, you know, one of the top tech Institute's to a Fashion Institute. And I haven't really met anybody who did that exact switch. And people always ask me about it, why didn't you do it? Like you could have gone to the US and you would be early, like so much said My heart was not in it. So I think that's another way that if you're feeling the imposter syndrome, or you're feeling like low confidence about something, you should just say like is your heart in it? If your heart is not in it, then you slowly impotent time, but you can take like a route to walk out of that. Yeah, start talking about this a lot. But maybe one last thing is like if you look at the word imposter, and break it into three parts, and just say to yourself that I am poster, poster girl, poster boy, or whatever. So in whichever area instead of feeling like an imposter, and you tell yourself that I am poster, but what kind of poster would it be? And I think that could help. I like that. All right. I know. You're awesome. Thank you, darling. Let's let's let's wrap it up. We're coming up to pass pass the half hour. Any other news that you guys have been paying attention to? Now, I've been pretty busy with all kinds of things, preparing for shows and things like that. So I'm afraid I'm not very much in terms of hearing about nothing, right? Yeah. Lions. The Lions are my big story. The lions? Yeah. My mind was simply cruise compass. Cruise. Yeah. Which is the daily activity schedule on the ship. I was just like, which trivia Am I gonna go to? Yeah, no, it's not anything got your attention? Oh, no, not really. And you're like I said, I do feel like an imposter in this room. That's my one way of saying that. Okay, I'm making space for this in my life. And I'm aligning to certain causes. And I'll do more. And I really appreciate what you three have been doing. And especially for Andrea for now. I know her for about two years. And I think she's your, the work you're doing is so inspirational, because it can only somebody, like I said, has to be responsible. It has to be somebody KPI, but they can't get it done if the people are not with them. So I think all of us are raising awareness, in our own ways, to the causes that we care about. And I think we need to talk more. And we need to be a part of more conversations. So thank you for doing this. Thank you for coming. But one big piece of news today breaking just before we jumped on was Modi has backed down from the what was the year long pharma protests. Obviously there's a couple of important elections coming up that are affecting factoring into that but I thought that was pretty good. So let's see what happens with that. Final one. What's keeping you distracted at the moment apart from the carnival, what was it called? Carnival Royal Caribbean? Yeah, well, sir. Oh, cruise compass. Yeah, cruise compass. That one? Yeah, no, no. Got a bunch of stuff. Actually. COVID Just before we launch into it, I knew for some reason. The words are new. You keep coming up with my cool right with what you're talking about as well with that. And the other thing that I was The brand for you though. Yeah, definitely I was looking at was listening to a speech by Michelle polar pol er. And she's got this website and YouTube channel, everything else, called 100 days without fear. And she was she she just spoke so brilliantly. Now the record is 101 00 days without fear.com. And what she did is she challenged herself. And there was another guy that did this as well. I heard from him a couple of years earlier. Hello fears maybe no, that was it. Michelle Paula's book. Anyway, there was another another guy did it. But but they, because the imposter syndrome is about the fear of getting found out. Yes, that's the debilitating part of it. And so challenging yourself to come on a show like this when you feel a bit? Sort of whatever you fill, yeah, I'm not, I'm not in my space here. Yeah, isn't great is another or getting up on stage and speaking or going and doing something or changing careers, or whatever it is, get changing careers, kind of a big one. But but challenging yourself. You know, giving yourself a it doesn't have to be 100 days without fear. But giving yourself a challenge of okay, I'm gonna do one thing that I feel a little bit near about. And I'm just gonna go out there and do something kind of cool. And overcome it and challenge myself, you know, for seven days in a row 10 days and just talk about that on social media. That would be a lot better than taking a photo of a food. No, this is not for you. This is for anybody watching right. I think it's a cool way to do it. But it don't check out Michelle Polo. Yeah, I will I will be keeping distracted. Okay, so the one I've been watching recently is something called The Mysterious Benedict society, which is on Disney, I think Disney plus. And so we thought we'd watch that with Zoey. But I thought it was just going to be kids flick sort of thing and a bunch of kids in this mysterious society. But actually, it is beautifully written and beautifully shot. And Andrea, I think you would really resonate with the possibly just the first episode of maybe the second episode. Where were they feeling like there's this, that there's this thing called the emergency that that happening? And everyone's like, it's the emergency, it's the emergency. And it's, and they're like, I don't know, I feel the sense of this. This Ilis I don't say disease, but I you know, unease I guess. And it's quite cool. Anyway, but um, the first couple of episodes really quite nice. And then the other two things are sci fi one is Isaac Asimov's Foundation on Apple. I've started watching that, which just looks beautifully shot and the one my wife is very excited about which is on amazon prime. So now we've covered three, three Broadcasting Services, the Wheel of Time, which was some like sad episode book that she read as a kid and actually made it, they've made it, they've made that and it looks. So she was playing the preview to me and I was like, I haven't read the books, but I want to watch that. It looks amazing. Right? So you Yeah, yeah, but I had to stop reading it because it annoyed me so much. Because the way the descriptive language just became it was always talking about the busty is on the girls and, and the striking, you know, fantasy. I'm a huge fantasy reader. But by by by about, I don't know, book five, book six. I just wanted to punch the author in the face. So this is the one where the where the Knights have fully covered in armor, but they've got a skimpy leather thing with a sword. Yeah, they're always always talking about it. It was just Yeah, too much. Great. I'm looking forward to watching that. And now anyway, but it sounds sounds interesting. Jay, you being distracted. Ah, well, yes. Besides being distracted with trading and stuff like that, I have also been watching stuff. And it's been it's been a few weeks since I've been able to finish off the show because I've been running off before the ends. So I've been watching two shows. One is Arrested Development, which is a bit hard to come by now. I'm not sure where to find it. They were on Netflix for a while because they continue the series with them, but I can't seem to find them on my Singapore app. But the other show which I thought was interesting, if you like sci fi is another life. It's a two season show that was running on Netflix. And what I liked about it is how fast they move through a lot of sci fi ideas. So the thing with a lot of sci fi shows is that they they tried to drag out this one idea for as long as they seem to be able to drag this one idea out and sometimes the whole series becomes about this one idea. What was nice about this show what is nice about this show is how they have one Grand premise for everything but along the way a lots and lots of different sci fi premises come up and addressed and resolved and mystifies. And it's a pretty good series Pretty gritty as well. So another life. Another. Yeah. All right. Sounds interesting. New podcasts, books, anything. Nothing. Actually, I'm working on something, we're building a new module. So it's all worked for me, like 1314 hours a day. And so yeah, really not doing much except like those late night, scrolling through Instagram, or tick tock or whatever, just to put myself to sleep, get my mind off work and go to sleep and towards in your day, so But hopefully, like in January will be better. Right. And I'm looking forward to going to India now that they have lifted, kind of or going to lift the, you know, quarantined need for traveling back from India. Yeah. We'll be talking about next week, Andrea? Yeah. I think a lot of a lot of restrictions have been lifted just as big waves of meetings. So I think we might all be a bit surprised for what's coming up. But anyway, I am very happily watching the good doctor new seasons out. Have you guys ever watched the good? Oh, I love the show. Yeah. So this new season out? And yeah, it's about Dr. Shaun Murphy, who has autism. And he's an incredibly brilliant surgeon. And it's, you know, talks about lots of social social issues and social acceptance. Enjoy. Yeah, no, it's really brilliant. Really, really, really well done as well. The actor who plays Shawn, I think he's done a phenomenal job. But yeah, still still waiting on grace. And Frankie. Is the the doctor like a teenager or something? No, he's a he's an adult. He looks young. Okay, he's not. Yeah, that's good. Have a look. All right. So I know. Thank you so much for joining us, especially. We none of us realized today that that was a bit of an imposter syndrome moment, actually just showing up in big part of this. Yeah, but it's an example. Yeah. All right. Sorry. Good. It's a good example of, you know, philosophy is to do it anyway. Right. And, you know, like Joe was saying, even coming on to this, you know, I remember when we first started doing this, I'd been sitting on it for a long time. And, and it was it was that you know, who I think I am sort of moment. I don't think I suffer the imposter syndrome as much, mainly just because I'm confident in my thoughts. And I think that happens more as you get older, too. But I know a lot of people who have gotten older and it's gotten worse, so you know, do the work within yourself. Obviously go and find find help. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Find a patient Obama had this quote, right, like very famous one, which said that confidence I had learned then sometimes needs to be called from within. I've repeated this same words to myself many times to many clients. Am I good enough? Yes, I am. I really? Yeah. So thank you. So I'm going to download this as quickly as I can put it on the uncommon courage podcast if you prefer to listen on audio. It's good to have the original team back together after a couple of intense cop 26. Yeah, look at him. He's not pretty. But yeah, thanks, guys for being here. And yeah, it wasn't we went over time again. We, Tim. It's sometimes it feels like it's going. It doesn't feel like it's we're here for a long time, right. It doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like nearly two hours, that's for sure. No, never does. Good chance. All right. Thanks, Joe. Thanks, everyone, for I think everybody