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All right, we are live and welcome to the no show. My name is Andrea Edwards.
And my name is Joel Gustin. And along with Tim Wade, who is living up to the theme of the show right now, as a no show temper. Soon, we try to well fix the world in our own special way. So we have a special guest that comes in as well, who's going to be talking about the news with us. And if anything, this is one place, you want to just get up to date. And maybe if you want to, if you want to try and do something better with the world, come here with some of the information is going to help you to do that sort of thing. Yeah. So our guest this week is Kevin Gautam, and he is the global Nomad. And we should bring Kevin on to explain what that means. Right now, Kevin, what what is a global?
Well, at the moment, I'm not nomadic around the world, but I'm nomadic around Singapore. And so
what do I do, I'm a speaker, I'm a leadership coach. And I spend my time focusing on a topic which I call the nomadic mindset, which is not about travel, by the way, it is absolutely not necessary. It could be, however, what it means is really a free flowing movement of the mind, which is very agile, it's holistic. And it is an adaptable to find and navigate its way through different paths in our lives. And it is actually what I'm told by executives and a variety of people, that is the mindset we truly need today to deal with a lot of the challenges that we're having, and especially some of these on the no show as to, you know, we need a bigger vision. And that's where the nomadic mindset is a wide vision. And I've just put a link to your book, the nomadic mindset never settle for too long. And it's a
brilliant book.
You know, we've talked about it so many times, Kevin, but one of the things I love about it is that we need to be paying to the attention to the indigenous communities, you know, their knowledge, their wisdom, you know, it's so powerful. So, yeah, garbage.
Yeah, it's very powerful. I think that, you know, for us today that we have gone quite off track and also lost the plot and a lot of aspects of whether it comes to climate, whether it comes to biodiversity, whether it comes to organizations and, and we've all really dealt with been brought up with industrialized thinking. And also agriculturalist thinking, which is not the same as nomadic thinking, which is really an interconnected way of being, and we have become separation, as opposed to them, which are very much interconnected. And that's where I believe, Andrea, and, you know, this is where we're talking today is that we need to be interconnected to understand all the ecosystems that are playing a role in where we are, and what is important for us to survive in this particular time in our trajectory of life on this planet. And they know, they have great wisdom and nomadic cultures.
This show is might be a little bit stressful to Kevin, because I hear that you try to avoid the news because it makes you the press and this show is kind of about in the news. So we will, we'll see what happens now, as
Andrea drops the news on us right now.
A few things that you focus on Andrew.
Yeah, well.
Exactly. Before we get to that, look, he's arrived. The no show has arrived. Here is
a no show.
Hey, Kevin. Hey, Joe. Hi, Tim. Great to see you again. Unless you do cold packing too much life together.
Yes, researching, weirdly enough, so very good. And but yeah, nice to be here again.
Cool. Well, last week, straight after our first live show of the no show. I ran into a mate of mine called Mike Wright. And he said to me, this is fantastic. This is exactly what I need. I just need a quick summary. So Hi, Mike, if you're listening, I just need a quick summary of what's going on. It's exactly what's going what's what's needed right now. So I have got notes this week, last year. Last week, it was more off the cuff. And I've been updating this right up until the last minute with the news. It's been breaking around the world. So I can't remember it all by heart. So if I have to look and read sometimes, just Excuse me, but should we get stuck into the news that really struck a chord struck a chord with us this week? Is anyone is anyone tracking the Facebook? Yeah, I've got I've got Facebook open right now, so I feel a bit like a lurker I feel very self indulgent. I'm looking at comments about myself. Come on Carrie.
Excellent. Oh, all right. Lexi's back telling me I've done a great job, Mum. But I won't I won't put him up but we couldn't say we only saw two comments live last
Wake up three stream out. But there's a lot more activity going on outside of stream yard. We didn't say that. So we appreciate all the support and people tuning in. Anyway. So let's get stuck into the news. So I'm going to give you guys a summary of what I've been saying around the world this week. And then then we can have a sort of an open discussion about it. So the first thing is, I, I've been quite relieved that Afghanistan has stayed at the top of the news. We live in a world where people's attention spans aren't,
you know, that we're not necessarily focusing on the things that matter in the world. So I've been a bit relieved about that. Because the other thing that happens when you have a longer news cycle,
you get the initial sort of bam, and it's everything's freaky, and scary and frightening. And it's sort of a spread sphere around the world. But when the news cycle lasts for longer, you get more depth, and more considered thoughts and more background and more context. So one of the pieces that really stood out to me, and I just shared it on my uncommon courage group yesterday, was on the BBC in the title is the plane hit the tower, and all our lives changed. And it's a really beautiful perspective, or it's not a beautiful, it's a sad perspective. But it's a true perspective from an Afghanistan ease point of view. But also, he was talking about some Taliban people in his life, who were friends when he was young, and what they've suffered. So if you have an opportunity to have a look at that, I definitely recommend it. It's the Afghan view rather than everybody else's point of view that we're seeing everywhere. I read that. Yeah, it's good one, right. It's very good. It's very moving. very real. Yeah, definitely. Another person that I follow on LinkedIn is a war photographer called Sebastian rich. And I recommend everyone follows this guy. He's amazing. And he's been a war photographer for decades. And he shares very powerful imagery on LinkedIn. But obviously, recently, he's been sharing more of these images from his time in Afghanistan. So you know, there's been there's some really powerful information being shared very meaningful. Of course, there's been a lot of terrible stories, we, you know, that we kicked off the week with people being crushed at the airport trying to get into so that they could escape. We even saw people coming through sewers, and they were hoping that the Americans would pull them out of the sewers so that they could be rescued as well. We saw some good news stories. So we the the Afghanistan the female Olympians and Paralympians team were rescued by the Australian Government, which was kind of a bit ironic considering their track or track record with refugees. And also the girls robotic team got out as well.
The from a business perspective, Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn have stepped in and they've secured all of the users accounts in Afghanistan, which means that people can't track the digital records. And that's fantastic. And yeah, it's really cool. And that's great. Yeah, Airbnb are going to house 20,000 Afghans who have escaped, so some good news stories, but obviously, there's so many worse stories, including yesterday when we saw the bombing. So far, 9090 Afghanis have died, and 13 US soldiers have died. This was carried out by a group called ISIS. Kay. And when I was reading an article, I think in the Wall Street Journal, just before we got on the call, it looks like, you know, this is the it just speaks of civil war.
Yeah. And the Taliban are adamant that August 31 is the cutoff date to get everybody out. And I I'm kind of concerned what what will happen beyond that with people don't get out. But you can imagine the panics rising. But I'm not surprised the Biden is sticking to this date, because I'm sure the agreement is very clear. early in the week, Tony Blair piped in. Did you guys say that?
No, I he's, he's he's been blocked from my feed.
I'm sorry, what did he say? Probably should be. Yeah.
To be honest, like, he's, he was such a supercilious leader, that he now standing up and having the guts to sort of speak his truth is kind of he's it's kind of lost on me. I mean, he lost me when he supported bush with weapons of mass destruction. He's always felt insincere to me. And I don't really feel that he's contributing much to the conversation. So that's kind of the main sort of news that I've been sort of tracking around Afghanistan this week. I think August is a big day. I have one piece of news.
The definition of supercilious kids behaving or looking as though one things one is superior to others. Here we go.
Yeah, I'm gonna use that word all the time when I want to be superior to others.
Please don't be supercilious.
So okay, so what was Blair actually saying?
He, no, he was just criticizing the leaving Afghanistan and the way it was handled. And you know, I mean, this is
Somebody in Redmond, somebody in the UK that somebody needs to represent the UK because, you know, Boris doesn't know what's happening? Well, he can't because he can't put those special relationship at risk. Right. So former former prime minister can speak the truth. But, you know, the reality is there's so many acts, there's just so many aspects to this, you know, and why it's happened the way it's happened and, you know, deals that were signed, before Biden, even McCain came into power. And, you know, there's so many things that are going on and the way the, you know, the government of Afghanistan responded as well. So, you know, it doesn't really help. his point of view doesn't help. So did you see that from Russell Brand?
Now, I haven't had a chance to look at it. But
effectively what he was he was doing was, he was wondering who stood to gain? I don't know whether I should be jumping into this now. We'll do it in the second half. Now. That's good. Yeah. So he was he was wondering who stood to gain from America, being in Afghanistan for 20 years ago, he came up with five companies that that had
over 1,000% growth, as a result of, I mean, obviously, war companies and companies to do with arms sales. Were in it, but but he was saying, follow the money. And then, you know, that's why the war was prolonged. And when I was reading that article, by the the Afghani journalist that you mentioned earlier,
it really he was saying there was this great opportunity to have this deal, almost straight away, to create a piece. But But he in his words, he said, and I apologize if anybody's very sensitive to this while watching it. This is a very sensitive issue. But
he, he he said in his words, America didn't want that. They seem to just want revenge for 911. Yeah, and, and so
but but if you look from Russell Brand's perspective, it was it was not really about that. That was the rhetoric it was it was partly about that. But there was his cynical view was looking at the follow the money drill. houde stands to profit from this thing being prolonged.
Oh, the money always. Then if that's the case, and it's very surprising that Trump would want to do that when he is all about money.
He That's true. And that's good perspective as well. It's like, but anyway, that he maybe wasn't getting paid any from those guys. Yeah, yeah, yet. This is no, this is that the fact that I've missed spouting opinion and is no longer the news. So maybe we should go back to Andrews new was that was that in the news? No, no. Okay, wait, while we're doing this, let me just acknowledge, we have Wayne has joined us on the fill on Facebook, Tanya Weber as well. Glenn macguffins woodfin and Kenneth Kwan. Yeah, also on our Facebook right now, everyone, I guess. Alright, back to the news. And I will attempt to not come up with any more nonsense for a moment.
You can't guarantee that. I can't guarantee that at all.
You're getting the attention or on my part of town is the it's the news about how we're going back to going back to work. And then the rules about those who are unvaccinated
coming into play, and discussions of discrimination and other kinds of things as well. Being
Yeah, yeah. So yeah. Okay, let's get into the COVID news news.
And we can definitely sort of talk about that as well. So when you look around the world, we're definitely in the Delta storm.
There's a lot of alarming stories coming out of Australia, especially in New South Wales. chaotic government decisions and of course, have the last weekend we saw these violent clashes with people fighting for their freedom, which felt a bit ironic with the Afghanistan situation going on at the same time. We're all sitting in Asia, and it continues to be having hammered home in Thailand. And it's it's really sad watching what's going on. There's also reports if you're if you're tracking the the global economists that a lot of economies are getting close to collapse. One of those stories that I've been tracking all the way through these crisis is the increasing poverty, so to help the poorest amongst us are being impacted by this pandemic, not just from a COVID perspective, but from an economic perspective. So in 2020, UNICEF and Save the Children released a report that the number of children living in poverty had soared to 1.2 billion children due to the pandemic. And since the pandemic has begun, extreme poverty has risen for the first time in 20 years. So extreme poverty is defined as earning less than $1.90 a day. But the bigger humanitarian crisis that is on our doorstop doorstep is famine, and 20 countries are now at risk of famine. So
Nigeria, Yemen, South Sudan, the Republic of Congo, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Syria, Venezuela, Sudan, Haiti and Guatemala, as well as 10 other countries are on the cusp of full scale famine. Now, for those of us who remember Live Aid, yeah, we did that for one country.
Yeah. And we
like it.
And so with that, you know, that that's one part of it is the famine. And then it's now with the migration, because they will start looking for, because that's what we do as humans, you want to survive. And so you start moving you moving. And you know, this is what nomadic cultures would do is they would move, and so they'd be allowed to, but now there is that, you know, people don't want them and they the people that are starving in their countries, because they can't afford to do that, to hold them and to is also the so there's a variety of things, situations now that are mounting, that are not going to be much fun to solve, sadly enough. Yeah. And also, you know, you're talking about the whole thing of different countries. And Maldives, I just read that they're asking, they're saying that they need to restructure their debt, otherwise, they won't survive this. And also they that because of the climate change, and everything else, but but as well, it's all compacted is they're not going to be able to survive the islands. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've got some and this is why we have to get prepared, you know. So right now, there's 88 million people suffering from acute hunger. And I think for so many people in wealthy countries, they don't know what that means. They don't know what that feels like. They don't know what it does to a body, people who are starving, like you're saying, Kevin, they move what that's where was start, you know, so we've got a huge human crisis on our hand. And that's why I'm constantly emphasizing the point, we have to do everything we can, especially those of us in wealthy countries, to get COVID under control, we have to come up with a with a consensus and agree the steps forward, and what not everyone's gonna like it. But then, you know, another piece of news around COVID, this week was the US medical professionals are protesting because they don't want to be forced to take the vaccine. And you kind of think, God, you know, are we ever going to get through these medical professionals are protesting against the vaccine? How are we going to move forward? Because right now, that is the only path that seems open to us. So that's the main things I've been picking up this week. What about you guys? Joe, what you were talking about as well, the vaccine mandate, I think, is another big issue. Definitely. Yeah. Now, because in Singapore is happening is is that as opposed to going back to work.
And there's some rules that are being put out for employers, I think there are kind of frameworks that employers can use in terms of how to handle unvaccinated staff members. And so there's some talk about discrimination against people like that. I mean, I mean, some of these people have made choices not to be vaccinated. So the feeling is, maybe there's less sympathy for those. But there's also those people who have had allergic reactions to the first one and level were denied the second one, and therefore technically unvaccinated, but they don't, they're not they're not, they're not they're not respond, they're not responsible. For the choice, they didn't make a choice not to be vaccinated, but some of these rules are going to apply to them. So this this, there's obviously some kind of, you know, there's a bit of a discussion there. But what I'm what I'm worried about is,
my, as a friend of mine included, some of these, some of these Miss misguided ideas are being given a bit of a signal boost. So in terms of like, there's a there's some people that don't understand the math of our infections, for instance, and how it works like there was an infection recently, I think of a school facility with some mentally challenged or mentally handicapped people. And that the the infection rate was very high, and amongst the vaccinated,
but the thing is mathematically, and Data Wise, it was impossible for any infections to not be with the vaccinated because the whole facility had been vaccinated. And so if there was any kind of breakout, it was going to be statistically it's going to be one of those things where everybody's vaccinated, but people take that bit of data without kind of giving it a weightage or understanding the context of it. And they applied to the rest of society and they go therefore, that's proof that vaccinations don't work. And it's just it's just ridiculous when when I sign off science, sort of, you know, like I'm wearing this this this this shaggy of magic usciences magic sciences, magic that works, right.
You know, there's science being used just to argue things on the right side of things. People are not going to figure out how to do things or how to interpret data because there isn't a desire
to really test things out, like, you know that there's only so many people who would not have read the perspective of someone, an Afghani perspective, perhaps on what's happening in Afghanistan, because it's not relevant to them. It doesn't fit their worldview. And we need more of that we need people to be going okay. Well, this is what it looks like from this side. How does it look like from the other? Yeah, read around the stories, right. That's why we my way my weekend reads last week, I'm like, don't just, if you're in the US just don't read the US media. Because it's very us centric, right? Read other countries read countries that have been neutral, read Al Jazeera, because it gives you a Middle Eastern perspective, right, you got to read always read around the stories, if you want to get to the heart of what really matters. And, you know, all countries have their priorities and their focus. But you know, you talk about the situation with the intellectually and physically disabled people. And unless you've spent time in that community, you don't understand how that community interacts with each other my dad used to teach. So my whole teenage years was spent in these environments, and they're much more, they're much more physical and loving, you know, they'd like to touch each other and kiss each other. And, you know, they always used to ask me to marry them. When I was a teenager, it was beautiful. I loved it, I used to have a lot of fun. But um, if you don't understand the environment, that's not how the rest of the world exists. They're very unique, right? And people people are so
you know, the China access as much information as you can, you know, I have so many conversation, it's such a small piece of the story that people believe is the truth. And I'm like, missing all these other bits, you know, that's important to, you know, pay attention, let's go wider. Let's work harder for what matters. And that's the truth. You know, well, the process is called confirmation bias. And scientists suffer from this as well, you know, you want to figure out something based on your own existing belief. So I was thinking, I was digging a little mental trip today on that on that I asked myself about, you know, unvaccinated people and why it makes sense to them. And it came down to one thing, if you look at it from purely a self protection point of view, and managing your own risk point of view, eventually makes sense not to vaccinate, you know, if all it is is about you, and your view is solely about yourself, and managing your own risk and your own exposure, it actually does make sense not to vaccinate. So, you know, I, I realized that the the arguments should not be about
why or how things work, but more getting people to be more in the camp of thinking about others. If we if we really start thinking about each other, then vaccinations just completely makes sense. But when we think about ourselves, the argument against vaccinating actually does make a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. If I may just sort of talk about that in the sense that, well, you know, when you think about nomadic cultures is nomadic cultures as a community. And so they're focused on communities, not just one person within, you know, so for example, like to Himba, for example, they, they don't even know the people's names, because and they don't count them in their family as ages. They don't say this is the first, the second and third, because they believe that they're all equal, that they are all community. And so if one thing happens to another, it's affects everybody. And so this type of mentality has actually helped many of them in these types of situations, because they understand what's important is not just the individual, but it is everyone that will be affected. And that is because everybody not only lives together, but also because they have the same food sources and the same, you know, they, but we don't, but we have we have separated ourselves from from that type of thinking. nijo people have said that one of the reasons that in Asia in some ways is because they're more community minded that it hasn't really, you know, shifted and changed and morphed like it has in the United States, which is all about me, me, me, me, me, me, me. And oh, it's about the we hear. So, I think it's very important that we use the word community, which is a commune, you know, and we're in this together, and that means the whole globe is actually in this together. Yeah, where's the Hebrew? The Hebrew you said? The hamburger and Namibia, right.
So I was reading a an old hippie in Byron Bay in Australia, lives in his community. It's a big community of anti vaxxers and he got a vaccine and he was in my last weekend rates but he he these community said man, you sold us out. You know, you've let us down. You know you got a lot of you got a lot of flack for doing it. And this article finished off with, we're in the age of the Aquarius. what that actually means is it's the age of cooperation and cooperation is the only thing that is going to get us out that that is
individualism, the selfishness, the May, May May stuff is going to push the world into into disaster for humanity with COVID and with the climate crisis, and if we don't get this message now, I, I, I'm probably just gonna have to party for the rest of my life until it's all over. Because there's no point, right? There's no point, we've got to get this message.
Yeah, no, absolutely true. I mean, it's very important the message? I mean, I think that
we, everyone, I mean, we have to make this happen in so many different ways. And, and, and I was talking to a young guy the other day, and I said, Well, what's happening in your environment? You know, here in Singapore, and your your age group and whatever, what how are they seeing, you know, climate change? COVID, all of this. And they said, none of them think about this, the other thing about their family and about making some money, and and that's it. I said, Do you think that when he says no, I think this is horrible what they're doing, and the way they think. And so if that's the case, and for many, even, you know what? What's going to start with them? Yeah. And that, you know, that's one of the reasons we're doing this show, we're hoping that we can be part of that sort of change. Yeah. But you know, we need as many of us standing up and speaking up, and sharing what we know and trying to wake people up, because a lot of people are just too scared to face it. And we'll talk about that. Actually, that's probably a good segue. Tim, did you want to jump into something before we move into the climate crisis? Yeah, I just wanted to mention that there was a study done with on long form COVID. in Wuhan, it was published in The Lancet. And they found they did a study on 12 176 patients, where were they, in around 3035 36% of those patients whose illness was most severe symptoms, like shortness of breath, and lung damage persisted even a year on and the flow of oxygen to their lungs bloodstream reduced.
And they'd never, they while they've got while there was recovery or perceived recovery, there's that long form symptom. So the the thing about the mimimi side, is it's it's a little bit short sighted. But I'd link it also to just cultural evolution in philosophical thinking this sounding very sort of, I don't know, going huge all of a sudden, but because we maybe go look for another pair of glasses I can wear. Yeah.
But this one, this one, I think stems from the post modernism, movement of the 80s and 90s, where it's, it's all about my truth. It's all about my view, it's there is no, there's no singular, fixed, you know, truth to anything. It's, it's live your own truth. And so now everybody's living their own truth and not trusting anything. It's, you know, everybody's got their agenda, rather than seeing that, well, our truth is our vision of something through a lens. What is the something? I mean? Presumably there is, there is some, some, some actuality. And so, so what everybody seems to be arguing about is, what is the truth underpinning all of this and the underpinning, COVID? What is the truth? I don't know. I'm surrounded by people whose lenses are saying, don't get vaccinated. So I'm not going to get vaccinated, or I'm surrounded by people who are saying get vaccinated. And what's startling is the medical community that you mentioned before, Andrea, where they're surrounded by the, the, the, the consequence, you know, and they're seeing, they're seeing numbers in in of, you know, nine unvaccinated to one vaccinated or in their hospital. And, and yet, they're still making this decision. And that decision is probably coming from
a community of opinion, interspersed with cultural,
both cultural beliefs and thinking about how we, we think about the self, versus what Kevin was talking about, with regards to how self interacts with other and how we are part of a community rather than No, the community is against me, is the thinking. And I have to look out for myself that seems to be that seems to be the thing and and with post modernism, what it ends up forming his tribes. Yeah, because everybody has a trait. Do you have the same truth as me, let's be in a tribe. And we're even colloquially calling our our little circles online. And we're in a group that you might try be part of my tribe of tribalism, when tribalism, tribalism nice and it feels good and it feels like we're forming a community. But what tends to happen in a leaderless tribe, is you get the strong power leaders come
In and controlling all the tribes. Yeah, which is what we're seeing on a political level
in defense of the the health care workers who have chosen not to vaccinate, and that's a horrible position to be in. But, you know, when you're in that particular situation, and you know, you're not well, we know about these adverse events being a minority of events, right. But the people in the community that are actually exposed the most to these sorts of events are actually people who are involved directly in health care. Like, even in Singapore, I know of someone who's, who is they're involved in the process of vaccination. And because we know the numbers are what they are, we know that it's a very rare occasion. But because they're involved in doing it every day, the chances that they will come across that situation and see something happen, is actually relatively higher. So their perspective on things, as much as we know that this is an occurrence, it's one in a million. But if you've seen five of them, that's, it really can make a huge difference. So you have some hesitancy to start with. And then you have recency of evidence that you see before your eyes, even though, statistically, you know that this is not a huge deal, because you are aware, all the action is you see the action. And it's not as it's not as easy to say, okay, I've seen this happen. It's a low chance. But you know, for everybody else's sake, I'll do that. But in case something happens, I might not go back to my family. So it's, it's, it's not as not as simple. I just have to say that is not as simple, although it's not something you can surmount, I have a lot of friends that are more scientific ones who do go through with that. I also have some friends who are equally scientific who because they are they go like, I don't have enough data yet, you know, there is, factually there is no long term data, yet there is the suspicion or the assumption or a few ideas that we can add, we can extrapolate. But we really don't have data quite yet to say absolutely, this is the truth.
So I do feel for them as well. But going back to the earlier point, we have to come to a consensus. We're never going to get everyone to agree with this. But we have to come to a way to end this. We've never been ahead of the virus. We're always behind it, you know, Vietnam gets the virus and all of a sudden, all these shots are going to Vietnam. Well, there's a lot of borders around Vietnam, that where people are crossing the borders, which is a lot of the story of how it sort of spread around Asia, right? Get get the vaccinations into those countries to before it actually lands and creates havoc, you know, we're never ahead of it. But we've got to make a decision as a as a global community and say, we need to do this and we need to do it for the people who are starving. And so I I'll do whatever it takes to help these people move, move forward. Because they are suffering so much. The despair is so high. Yeah, we're living in a nice homes, we've got food, you know, we're okay. You know, we're we're all impacted. But we're I to an extent, you know, these people, you know, the stories here that I'm saying, just, it's so heartbreaking. So kodaly pay is an island, which is actually closer to Malaysia than Thailand. It's been shut down for a month because of a COVID outbreak. It's in the middle of nowhere. We've got speedboats heading over there yesterday, packed full of bags of food to help these people, at least if they can eat through for this month, you know, they can survive this month and the smiles on their face with the photos that came back which is so beautiful to see. Because it's we gave them some hope. You know, and I just, I just want us to come together. I just want to see an end to this absolute desperation. And we can all do that for them. We can take that risk for them. That's the way I feel about it.
Should we move on to the climate crisis? Because we're gonna we're not gonna go over time this week, right? Yeah. Okay. All right. You ready? Some good some big news this week in the climate crisis. So first up, good news.
Oh, I wish
Deloitte is sending 330,000 employees to climate change school. So it's a partnership with World Wildlife program and some other some other some other groups that that. So for me, that was great. The world is waking up and business is waking up because we need business to wake up. Because once you get once you get an education in it, you can't turn away from it. That way, we've got some major water crisis being a net of crises being announced around the world, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, as well as the US. There was some while ago, there was some news out of the stands as well. A lot of these things like the water crisis is a huge issue. We do not have effective water management. So Kevin, you were saying how people need to move. Right? If you've got no water, you're going to move. So
another opportunity. Let's come together. Let's get more effective management in place so we can help people stay where they are because people don't want to go. They don't want to become climate refugees, right.
The first ever
Recorded rainfall in Greenland Ice Sheet happened in the last week, which has caused widespread melting. We've had floods in Tennessee, and 22 have died, there was a story of a man who had twin babies in his arms that were washed out of his arms. I can't even imagine the feeling Yeah. Like a wildfires roaring towards like Tahoe in California, California is water is now at extreme risk, which will impact 25 million people. And of course, irrigation will be impacted too. And that means food will be impacted. So this is the beginning, if we see this playing out around the world,
Antarctic is Doomsday glacier is reportedly melting, because the earth is heating up. So it's, it's melting from underneath from the heat of the earth. Now, the IPCC report didn't talk enough, I thought about global sea rise, and they sort of pushed it further out. But the problem is the big the most challenging environments in the world. So the two poles, the Himalayas, we don't have a lot of information, we don't have a lot of knowledge, because they're very difficult environments to measure. They had some scientists in Antarctica last summer, so the southern hemisphere summer, and they'll be going against again this summer, and they went under the doomsday glacier, and it it melted significantly more underneath, and they thought it would. So this is, this is big news. I just shared races today on my social media channels in Dubai, they had a 1 million Trent, 1 million trees being planted, which they've been growing, and it's been beautiful. And then they decided on that same piece of land, they wanted to build the world's largest mall. 50% of the trees have died, and the rest aren't looking too good. It takes 20 years for a trade and get big enough to be able to sequester carbon. So it's just one of those really, like, how can we possibly trust the leaders of the world when we, you know, when we hear news like that? So, you know, when it comes to the climate crisis, what can we do? We have to completely transform our global economy away from fossil fuels, and it can't be 2050. It can't be 2060. We have to start doing it now. It's big, it's complex. The industry should have been working it out decades ago, they didn't. So but we've we've all got to come together and work it out now. So that's what I've been reading on the climate crisis. Lots of good news there, guys.
Yeah, that's, I can't make that.
I can't add to that, but I mean, I was reading about the water shortage. And, and of course, those are in countries, which are, obviously are obviously impacted by horrific governments and wars from from Syria. And also Lebanon is a true, terrible, corrupt governments and whichever, so so all the challenges of infrastructure and anything which would be supporting some sort of water and to be able to has gone and so therefore, what are these people going to do? They're going to move, they're going to migrate. And then there'll be more challenges. And so, you know, this is what I was talking about, at the very beginning is the interconnectivity of all these things, you started to talk about the chain reaction in California, it everything is interconnected, all the ecosystems are, are interconnected, you, you do one, that's what no matter, people know, as you do one thing wrong here, and it's one effect over there. They're all in some sort of marriage together. And that's how we have linked them all as well as also naturally they have been linked in this particular way, you just need to go on to the forest, you'll see how they're all naturally linked. And so, but the thing is here is
we need to look at this from a very wide perspective and look at not just dissect it, but look at what the whole impact of it is, you know, and then move it down the scale as to how do we deal with each section. But the point is, I think, for me, is that
we're still not seeing enough people think about the big picture. Yeah. And that they are part of that ecosystem. Yeah, are actually eco systems, is it? We're all part of it. And we're just guests here on this planet. And it can do whatever it wants to do, but we're killing it. And you know, as you also start to talk about governments, you just talked about an industry and what Deloitte was doing, which is fantastic, really, is it?
The government that organizations of this world could make this whole thing move faster, because governments move very slowly. Exactly. They could they could shift this whole change on a dime. Yep.
They just have to say, this is what we're doing, like deploy. And
sorry, I'll be making the argument that business should lead these change, because they're global, and and they can move faster.
Right. And so many people will say to me, Oh, no, no, but they need to be incentivized, and I'm like,
to have a livable planet for humanity, they need to be incentivized. Now, they're the reason we're here. So that's why we need to transform the entire global economy. And it's not going to be about, you know, wealth anymore. It can't be about wealth anymore, because wealth is what got us where we are. So we've got to transform it all. And I totally agree business has huge role to play in, you know, like, there's a concept called aspirational marketing. So I'd love Apple to stop releasing a phone every year because my, my 13 year old son is desperate for for the latest Apple phone, and I might be you'll find something even two years old, right? And it's that, but he wants it because it's been marketed to him. And it's, this marketing is still going on, and it needs to stop. Because it's part of the problem, the mass, the mass consumerism, we have to stop, we have to slow down, you know, and well, actually, that depends on what Apple does with the money.
Because if, if Apple is the redistribution of wealth from the ignorant to the purposes that need it, then that would be great. But it isn't, but if but if but if it was that, or a company like that, it would be great. The other thing I if I put my skeptical hat on. So first of all, I applaud Deloitte for doing that, if I put my skeptical hat on, they're also sending 330,000 consultants to get educated in the thing that they're about to consult on. Yeah, yeah. Because they know that everyone's gonna need it and Deloitte are going to be well placed with with all of their people speaking the correct language. And with the right partnerships, everything else. So very smart, forward thinking organization thinking, what can we do? I sadly, it's to profit from this, but depending on well, possibly, but but it also could be how we're going to, what are we going to do as an organization to be to be
to be contributing to what I mean, I call it climate positive, because some people are like a carbon negative carbon, carbon neutral, I think it's supposed to be good. Is it carbon negative, or carbon positive, it's supposed to be carbon negative, I kind of sounds negative, let's just call it climate positive. And if we're going to do stuff, that's going to be climate positive, we're taking action that's going to be great for the climate, whether that's reducing fossil fuel usage. But then of course, that's going to come down to what's the replacement, because I mean, I'm driving around electric car, but it's getting charged an electric car station, which I think is possibly being powered by fossil fuels. I don't know, but I feel good. So it's, it's like, you know, it's, I remember doing a gig once for one of the major credit card providers, you know, that the duopoly there that, that sort of rules the world of finance, and, and I said, Oh, you must be a bit worried about all these other, you know, things popping up and, and blockchain and, and all these other bits and pieces, and all these credit cards from from, from the shopping centers, and all of this sort of stuff. And they weren't not at all runs on our system. So it's okay.
structure, so it's fine. The same with the oil industry, you can do all this stuff. It's just all running on our, you know, our system underneath. Yeah. And the fact is that we're doing this I think we mentioned this last week that I'm looking to this camera that being made thanks to the the fossil fuel industry, and, and on this monitor, and all of this technology, everything else is because of it. So there is a that that's where they're going Yeah, but you know, all this stuff you have is because of us stop throwing out the baby with the bathwater, which is a terrible analogy to use, based on what you just said before.
But
But yeah, I just think it's, it's one of those things where we go, we got to do this, we got to come together. But what are we asking people to do?
Well, you know, a while ago, you're talking about how it shouldn't be about incentives. And I think it has to be all about incentives. And you know, you talk about even like, Kevin, you talk about how a nomadic culture will move or whatever it is, they're moving because they're incentivized to move, the better situation is out there rather not. I'd rather not die of thirst here. So I have to move somewhere else. You know, the incentives are what drives the world. And I think, you know, the to just leave it to us to do the right thing is really the same as before, I'll just saying you know, I'll leave you in a room with a piece of bacon and say, you know, you need to lose some weight.
It's, to me, that's not a viable situation, because there's no real incentive there. But I think what we need to do is we need to work. We need to work on how to change the perspective that people have, so that you know, like in, in, in hypnosis, one of the things that we tried to do is to associate something with a negative behavior so that it puts you off that behavior. You know, you can use it as a negative association so that if you put a cigarette to your lips, you
You get the impression that you're smelling something like ammonia or some other horrible thing. So you get a negative association. And it's almost like we need to work on it, we need to use those powerful in our marketing skills and the best marketers in the world to get on board and help to incentivize the the, the, the bigger picture, you know, and and companies are going to be here, they're gonna they're gonna be incentive incentivized to be to do the right thing, because like you're talking about how greenwashing happens. And I was thinking about that greenwashing happens only because in the first place, there was an incentive to do that. And then there was enough of a reason to do that is become something that's important before we even, we even try to pretend to be green. And I think we need to get to a space where you know, being green is the thing that absolutely must be done. It's so repugnant not to be green, that people can can can just react to it and do something about that. So right now, the The fact is that there's also there's also that plus the fact that we rationalize things for ourselves. I mean, as much as we know, there's the urgency of all the stuff that happens, like, like Tim said, the stuff we use is connected very much to the to the the stuff that's caused the problems that we have. And I do want to say, by the way, I'm not using a real tablet, I'm using a stone tablet, which is being rapidly updated all the time by someone who's just hearing about this. So anyway, but but you know, I mean,
incentives, we don't have, we don't have enough real consequential incentives in place, you know, pro
gun in someone's head, they can they can do something. But if people don't believe the gun works, and it's gonna cause some harm, then it changes the changes the equation. Yeah, I don't know, sort of the ability to survive, I think is a bit of a threat. But
it's so Apple's chief executive, Tim Cook was announced they got $750 million payout. So that's, that's how the money is going. So Apple, he is a great example, right? I would upgrade my phone every year, if I could buy a phone. And when I buy a phone, I give them my phone, and they use that phone to create their next phones, that sort of the whole circular economy. So everything that he's created, has has has an ongoing life. So we're not, we're not getting more and more like e waste is absolutely off the charts. And its predictions are so high. So all of the technology that we've all got around us, you're right comes from fossil fuels. But how do we how do we make sure that this is the last time that whatever we have just goes into a pile? It actually gets us there, this sort of solutions that we need to be focusing on circular economies? huge part of where we need to be going in the future? incentives? I don't know like, yeah, we obviously need to hypnotize the world. Maybe we should try it next week on the no show.
up right.
All right, what other news is consumed you this last week, I've got one cracking story that I thought was funny, but what about you guys?
I just have news that it's, you know, I go to the sports, you know, cuz I always like to go to sports and guy, I get tired of everything else. And I want you know, some people go to entertainment, something that is a human, I go to sports, and I go, oh, wow, that was fantastic. You know what they did, and it was so successful. And it's so good, and so fast. And whichever, I just get excited about it. And I had that's my shift away. So I think that it's an escape, you know, we sometimes need to escape from all the cacophony of noise, and which is noise. And a lot of it is true noise. And, and so that's the other thing that for me, it's also nature, spending time in nature. And I think that we all need to start going out into nature, and examining how interconnected it is and how it is about diversity inclusivity at its best, because everything is living together working together. And I you know, I think that here in Singapore, we've got a variety of places that more people would go, and to spend the time. And that has been very helpful for me. And so I know that's not necessarily news, but it is news is that people need to spend the time seeing something else than their computer, their their TV, which is on constantly here. And in Singapore, and awfully often, you know about news and these series, which are not really they're escapism as well, I suppose. But anyway, but the point is, is is movement, we need movement. Actually.
There's an interesting point you made though, Kevin, when you were talking about about escapism as a concept anyway, because we all do it. We all sort of need to switch off at some point. And I was wondering whether whether if we are intentional about that, because we do it usually as an overflow mechanism or or I
shouldn't do this, but I'm just too tired, I'm just going to check out and watch that. But maybe maybe we should make
creating the Future Part of our work.
And, and when we finish work, we can play and enjoy the now.
Because, because if we see that as,
and maybe that's what Deloitte are doing is sending everybody off to create the future. Because that's, they see that as a real thing. But then how do we how do we go? Okay, well, and especially in the world of small medium businesses, or work from home, or, or even solopreneurs, there's got to be the it's very healthy to have this cut off, and to just and be present. And be and like you said, whether, even if it is escaping into television set, not feeling guilty about doing that, because that's not bad for the, for the mindset, yeah, it's giving yourself the allowance and permission. Yeah, you know, in that sense of being able to do that, and to not think, Oh, I need to do this, or I need to do that, or what, you know, it's just allowing them.
And so I do that quite constantly now. And I have to say it helps my creativity immensely. Oh, certainly does. I am my escapism is Graham, the Graham Norton show. I don't know. It just makes me feel good. So that's where I go. But last night, so since I've been doing my weekend reads a lot of people in my community will reach out to me privately and want to talk about whatever's going on in the world, right? Or share an article with me, which is I love it. Last night, someone reached out to me, how did you see the bomb did it around one, they wanted to have a conversation about it. And we're in a they were in a state of of emotion around it. And I just had to reply to them engage tonight. I'm just watching nice stuff. I'm just reading stuff. I just, you know, I've been stuck in the Afghan news for almost basically a month, but intensely in the last couple of weeks. And last night, I just said no, I can't I don't want to do this tonight. I need to have a break from it tonight. And I think that real conscious. And it wasn't in the overflow stage. It was before the overflow stage. But I know that I need to manage my overwhelm. And I can go months, intensely in the news. But sometimes, it's just like, right, I'm done. But I want to tell you one of the really good news stories that really sort of made me chuckle. So the former male Prime Minister of sumela came out against jacinda are home did you go see that news?
Apparently, she's in cohorts, and she's trying to get all of these countries to be overtaken by female leadership. And I was just, I was just laughing because you know, it's not a bad thing. It's not a bad idea. You know, it's the women of the world who are doing the best job at the moment. But then you have there is this photo of this grumpy man, this party has been in power for more than 10 years, which I think is, you know, probably an unhealthy length of time. But yeah, I thought that made me chuckle that. I'll share it with you guys.
Now, today has given me an idea for how the lineup incentives with with things like distractions, right, so I just thinking to myself, wouldn't it be fantastic if companies like Apple and pear and Netflix and show us where it all these platforms where they have real good shows being released, right? We've come up with an incentive program that lets you see only the latest releases if you participated for five or 10 minutes in the process that would be beneficial, perhaps for the environment, or perhaps for something else you don't like like a kind of a AI powered think tank to try and figure out some solution. So that you know, you did just five minutes, so have a you can watch the latest episode of Ted lassa. Oh, I like that. So let's turn off your television ad dagnabbit had failed.
Alright. Alright. So one of the things that I wanted to just before where's that point, I'm going to do this and that at the same time, one of the things I wanted to talk about just before we finish, right, so and it comes from a comment that you made last week, Joe, when we started talking about Afghanistan, you were saying that within your community, Whatsapp community, people weren't really talking about it anymore, it sort of hit the news, and it was kind of gone for them. And then over the years, Kevin and I have spent a lot of time a long time. You know, we're having really quite deep, deep and meaningful conversations about how he finds it really overwhelming to face the news and that he has to step away from it. And we've had some really, really good conversations about it. So one of my sort of really core messages is like I understand why people need to step away from it. But at the same time, we're at a point in time in the world that we've never been in before and it is a time to really step into it. Because until we step into it and really look it in the eye and go, Whoa, this is a big problem that we've got to come together and solve. We're not going to solve it. So I always say try and read with your brain not with your heart that kind of helps you so really detaching the emotions from the stories is something that I always recommend to people. But but but the other
The side of it is not just the emotional intensity, the other side of it is, is I see a lot of people participating on social media where they're obviously not paying attention to what's going on, you know, that stuff that I care about, and that I think they should care about, I think we should all care about. But what happens is, I speak to you, I work with a lot of senior leaders, right. And so when you do not participate on social media, especially as a professional, within the context of what is happening in the world, and you sort of act like it's business as normal, you are out of your out of touch with reality, and you actually put your credibility at risk, because you're not paying attention. And so there's, there's two aspects to that. It's the how do we get people to sort of have the courage to face it. And then the other thing is facing, it's also really important for your credibility, especially as professional if you want to build your influence on social media. So there's two sides. So I just wanted to hand that over to you guys for your thoughts.
Well, my question to you, though, Andrew, is how do you?
How do you talk about the Afghan war?
And your business?
You don't presumably you just talk about the Afghan war and how you feel? Yeah, yeah. They said, the same thing for me, right. But it's been something that I've been building up for a long time. Whereas five years ago, I would have talked about participating on social media as a business professional, whereas now I'll talk about lots and lots and lots of different things, but it's something I've grown over a period of time. So my social commentary, my, my passion for the world, my climate, you know, to me, it's everything's linked, nothing separate. You know, it's all part of the big story of the world coming together. So,
you know, I, yeah, I, I can't, I can't just talk about business anymore. I just can't, because it's just doesn't, it just doesn't feel relevant to me just to talk about business, there's too many things that matter. Yeah, I think I think what we need to do is move the fashion of business as in, like, what makes a good business leader shouldn't be that, oh, they're just very good at the business side of things, or the numbers and what have you. And I think there's a there is a growth, there is already some movement in that direction, as in like, business leaders need to stand for something else as well, something that is important to the world. And I think the fashion has gone in that direction. And it has to be something that becomes, you know, it becomes one of the things that becomes a part of the lessons that they will give you at the at Harvard Business School, right, they go Okay, so you know, business 101 includes all these things, including this thing where, you know, and this is where greenwashing might come up, where you have to have some sort of view on something important. Now, it what what what i what i see from that is, on one hand, it's terrible that this will become just a process, right that you have to do this, because it's the way things are done. But at the same at the same time, we will look at how things have happened in Singapore, for instance, in terms of fitness, in terms of the army in terms of the country, and does everybody else. Not everybody was getting on to fitness because they really felt that they wanted to be fit. But it became just the thing that everybody was sort of doing. And then in the end enough people do it. Maybe not everybody for the same reasons that everybody else, but enough people are doing it. And so now we have a rather fit country, I'm not one of that number, but I promise to sign up as soon as I can. But you know, that that's something that can happen. And I think that's that's beginning to happen and needs to be pushed a bit further and faster.
You know, I was thinking about how, you know, it used to be that the businessman was seen reading a business newspaper. And I don't know whether or not this is something that that there's a similar thing happening right now, where now in business and social media, people are being coached to go like, you know, what's more important go out and like all your, the posts by other people in your network, rather than be the source of publishing. You know, I mean, I think you're, you're a minority in the sense that you put out so much content that all and you curate all that stuff. I don't think enough people are doing the kinds of backhanded leadership, the kind of the kind of putting stuff in people's face that they should be sort of having a look at. Well, so it's interesting. So I I'm an observer of the social landscape as well. So that's something else I do. I watch conversations and I sort of try and stay on the pulse of what's going on. And it's just this natural thing I do right. And so social leadership for me, has gone from the look at me look at me and I grade to fake authenticity. And it's gone from one extreme to the other. We need to come into the middle to this you know, like
I see so many leaders showing up because they've been told they have to somebody else's writing their content, don't bother. I don't want to read your I don't want to read anything. If you don't
If you're if your voice is not behind that message, I don't care what you've got to say, I really don't, because participating with authenticity and integrity and a mindset of service is about participating. And so there's too many PR firms out there being voices for leaders. And so I think we've gone from one extreme to the other, and we need to find our way back into the middle, it's normal to go from one extreme to the other in every way, every issue, right, but I'm, I'm hoping people can wake up to the fact that we need to come back into the middle. And, you know, just just be real, because what we've got coming up, there's a lot of sorrow facing the world in the next decade, the next 20 years. And that's why authenticity, you know, people talk about it, but I don't actually think people really know what it is. And it's just being real, you know?
Yeah, we're going through a teenage phase right now. And that's, that's, like, you know, the thing is, in acting, for instance, if you want to act as a teenager, you over act as an adult, you know, so so that's where we are right now. I think in terms of in terms of that authenticity, people are trying to hide the you know, like the sir. So the humblebrag comes across as overblowing things and you can show too much care too much compassion.
I think some of it comes from some common sincere place, though, I think what it is right now is me going through an awkward phase right there, there are some people who really do care, but they haven't so badly. They come across badly. I, I don't want to name specifically any Singapore politicians. But there are some that are in that category where, you know, you know, they care, they just are so clumsy at doing it. Because we're not we're not where we have people who are good at doing things rather than politics first. And so they're not as good as they they're not as as good as being that sociopath in terms of putting it out there. Because the people who will do it well, to start with other sociopath, people who know how to fake it Well, well, there's also a blindness though, sometimes, I think I'm doing okay. You know, here, here, we are talking about climate change, and the petroleum industry and plastic pollution problems, and aren't having a drink.
Bad Man, and I was just like, the plastic bottle, you know, in a bottle for the eighth time, you know, so it is it is this bottle has been used, this is the, this is the carry around bottle. So it was in my backpack.
But I think it came in a goodie bag from something or other. But the thing is, we we can do a lot of things unconsciously we can have, which is which is good, though, it's good that that there is there is acknowledged, because it means it's starting to seep in, and it's gonna take a while for it to seep in. And, and it's, you know, it's like, if you want a good set of calls, you need a big bonfire. So we are in the teenage phase, perhaps from a social media perspective, but we're mature enough is, I mean, we are wherever we are on in our life journey, I suppose from a maturity perspective, climate changes is been talked about for since the early 1900s. And it's, it's starting to get real now because we have feeling it, rather than it's gonna happen in a few generations time. And people are still spinning, but we're still playing by the rules of the game hasn't changed. That's the challenge. The the rules of the work game are still the same, our KPIs are nothing to do with climate, our KPIs are all to do with performance, performance metrics. And if we add a couple of climate metrics in that, just to climate metrics, we didn't care about the customer before we all of a sudden had customer metrics. You know, it's it's like it was just about sales. And then it's just about it. Now. It's, it's, so if we had some climate metrics, we need climate metrics in our, you know, organizational stuff. And, and that might change the game. So the question is, what are your climate metrics? And how do we measure them? Susanna hasn't heard her it would be great, doesn't talk about that, because he's got a hold of climate metrics that she talks about.
In a we're getting in, I'm gonna see if I can get her on a couple of weeks. But one thing, just quick one for Kevin
had, like the facing knowledge when it depresses you, can you sort of talk about because you've you've, you've you face more now than you used to?
How did you how did you, how did you do it?
Well, well, before?
No, I have to take I have to take breaks. And I realized that no, one of the times at the very beginning was in January or February this year, and I realize it when I was on my walks, that it was all noise. And so I had to really declutter my noise that was coming into my brain into my soul into my heart. And so I stopped looking at that and social media. I stopped listening to the news.
All these things and sure it what it did was it was a declutter, it was a detox and it was a I was able to then start seeing wider, I was able to because it was narrowing my thinking. And that's the worst place that you can get is the narrowness, because then what happens, that creates all sorts of anxieties and all sorts of mental health issues because we are too narrow, we cannot find the width. And that's what I love about this one saying about the nomadic, that I learned in Mongolia was that nomads think vastly act narrowly, they don't think narrowly, to start with a go wide, look at everything, the possibilities, the risks, the threats, anything that look white, then focus in on what needs to be done, but we most of the time, wake up in a very narrow place. And so this is very difficult. When you have all the negativity, it takes you even more negative. So I do a declutter. I do. You know, and that's how I get around it. And then I just spend time in nature as much as possible, just listening to it. And, and that, and being physical, because I'm a very physical person. And that helps to clear things from inside of me.
I hope that answers your question. Yeah, no, it's great. It's great. Because everyone's got a different thing. So I always say, Stand back, use your brain, not your heart, try not to get too involved in the emotions of the news trying to if you're sitting in fear, for any any situation, it's not a good place to be. And the whole world sneaking fear at the moment. So if we can, if you can step back from fear and just sort of just take it on. But but but but you will still get to a point where it's like, oh, it's too much. And oh, my god the whole, we've got no future, right? Yeah. And then you have a break how long however long it takes, you know, sometimes I need, I need to step away for a week, which is a long time for me to step away. But then when I'm ready, I come back, you know, so just going to take care of our mental health, but we've got to start paying attention to some of it. You know, so that's why
I totally get it. You have to breathe. That's one thing. Yeah. I like sorry, Kevin, Kevin, I love that noise. I mean, it's so there's the white noise, and it's just everything's foggy. I'm not really thinking clearly. But there's also actual noise. We're surrounded by noise all the time. I mean, I go for a run with my headphones on playing the noise. And,
and I would get frustrated when they ran out of battery, like three steps out of the house. And I was just saying, I just keep going. But But those runs are the ones where I think most clearly.
Yeah, yeah.
You're just getting rid of all the noises, everything is noise. I mean, even our mind is noise, right? So you know, it's about getting rid of that. And sometimes not necessarily getting rid of but calming it down and seeing it from a wider perspective, as opposed to narrow. And that's where we get our frustrations that
I know when Tim the same thing when I was going for walks. And I would take my phone with me because I wanted to make sure that I measured my steps. But you know, that was like, Oh, I got to look at social. No, no, no, don't look, don't look, don't look. And I have to say that. What once I detoxed from that the watts were brilliant. Yeah, you know. But the thing is, I think that's very important. I also think it's coming back to a little bit and I know that we have to end is that
in the social media realm. And when I watch, there's not enough connection to what is happening in the greater world, as you're saying, in the way we talk, not just business people, but in the way we're talking about our business all the time, our business, and it's not looking sustainable, necessarily in the way it looks in the bigger picture of the world.
But in our little world, and how does that place ourselves into the bigger
world. And I think that that's something that I would like to see a little bit more of is when we are working together with individuals and we write in something, you know, we're sharing about people is, how does that fit into the bigger picture of the world? What you know, is it? Is there something about climate change? What What is there something that is about sustainability? What is it? You know, and so, that's what I would like to see more of, but people do totally agree if you're, and it goes back to being in tune, right. So if you're, if you're participating in the world, out of tune with the world, you know, the more people that are waking up, and I do believe we've hit the climate tipping point is enough people. We take it seriously. We're moving forward, the noise is growing. So that's a good thing. But
everything that we do
You asking about Tony Blair. You know, he's talking about the future of the Taliban, but he wasn't talking about the future within the context of the climate crisis and how it's going to impact Afghanistan, which is going to be so dramatic. I mean, 30% of the country's already in drought, you know, people it's already one of the countries on the list of facing famine. And, you know, that's a that's, you know, that's a very different sort of scenario when you think about it like that. Alright, just be beyond the news. What do you guys watching and then we'll then we'll head off. What are you watching? That's really got your imagination, anything.
I've got, I've got I've got two great, amazing recommendations. While I'm catching up with the series, the boys, which is vigilante is trying to take on the corrupt world of corporate superhero ism.
Oh, that sounds good. To me, you're watching anything. I've been going down rabbit holes on watching Sean Locke's comedy.
He passed away last week from cancer at 58. I think I mentioned that last last week as well. And so I've just a lot of his stuff has been coming up in my feed because
you know, I comedy and football and the two things that I escaped it. Yeah, right. What is that what you're watching Kevin? Have you got a
football but I'm watching swimming and I'm watching sports and I'm watching athletics and
that I watch, but I guess I'm I'm not watching anything necessarily. I'm walking and watching nature. Nice. Nice. Well, I want to
I want to give you a couple of recommendations. One of them you probably won't like but the assassination of Gianni Versace on net. Oh Epstein it. Oh, boy. that's a that's a mind Bender, isn't it?
But another one, I just watched it last night. And that is fantastic, fun guy. And they say fun guy. So that's why I'm saying fun guy not funghi. I can Australia is fantastic. I'm sure the people he created and produced that work on magic mushrooms when they did it. But from an earth perspective. So the only thing that survived throughout history is anything that understands that it really needs to rely on, on funding. And it's brilliant. It is so brilliant. It's so beautiful. It's mesmerizing. But from a from an earth perspective. And our future. And understanding where religion comes from. Is this is a this is a show that will just make you go
all linked to fungi. Every single one of us brilliant. Watch it definitely.
One night I will three quarters of the show live in spore.
The Yeah, that's true. The good news is that the world is full of crap. So the fun guy got a lot of a lot of stuff to verbalize it. Yep, exactly. Anyway, definitely recommend it. Let me know what you think if you watch it. Alright, so I'm going to I update I download this as soon as this is over. And then I put it on my podcast on common courage. So if you want to listen to this as an audio version, it's up there every week. It's obviously the live stream won't be there forever. But Kevin, thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it. I'm really grateful to be here. This has been fun. I really enjoyed it. I hope that I was able to participate enough to share but some sort of intelligence.
I love your perspective and your intelligence. Yeah. Oh, wow. I can now go on. I have to do record something after this.
Noise Of course, if you have to go to the park immediately.
I'd like to leave you with an ASMR gift. This is the sound of a
parking fine, which I have to regard. Take it out and take a while. Do something about soon. So just there you go.
Thanks for listening. Thanks, guys. We were still 15 minutes over but we'll keep tightening it up every week. It will get better. Yeah, we will. All right, one day. Thanks for tuning in. We really appreciate it. Thank you very much, everybody. We'll see you next week. Thanks, Kevin. Bye, Joe Biden. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.