Boomers have had a bad rap over recent years (#OKBoomer), especially with how they vote and their priorities for the future. Many countries are still led by Boomers, and in countries like the US, political parties are actively trying to suppress younger voters, which happened in the UK recently too, although that backfired tremendously. What this all creates is an environment of frustration because Millennials and GenZ are focused on issues relevant to their future, including action on climate, biodiversity loss and extinction, the cost-of-living crisis, the housing crisis, jobs crisis, and so much more.
But Boomers are not being silent on these bigger issues either, and we’re seeing them rising up and taking action. From Swiss pensioners taking the government to the European court over climate change impacts, to protesting the banks role in climate change, and we also have many participating in activism, with some even going to jail for it.
When it comes to where our nations’ focus politically, including priorities, demographics matter, and until recently, Boomers have had the final say, but that is now shifting dramatically. Millennials and GenZ are moving into the driver’s seat, but are they voting? Are they actively participating? Are they stepping into leadership roles?
In the meantime, how Boomers vote, invest, buy homes, or even how they argue with younger people about the multiple crises’ facing our world is causing so much friction in families, communities and on social media. It’s a big challenge, so how can we get all the generations working together, hearing each other, and prioritizing what we must do to ensure a liveable future for everyone?
I am delighted to be joined by three of my favorite Boomers – Cathy Johnson - The Authenticity Coach, Lindsay Adams OAM - The Relationships Guy, and Neerja Singh - The Seenager, to discuss the core issues we are facing today, how we can overcome them, and how we can all start working together to define a future for all of humanity, that takes into account all of the different priorities.
Come and join us. This will be great.
#ClimateCourage #UncommonCourage
To get in touch with me, all of my contact details are here https://linktr.ee/andreatedwards
My book Uncommon Courage, an invitation, is here https://mybook.to/UncommonCourage
My book 18 Steps to an All-Star LinkedIn Profile, is here https://mybook.to/18stepstoanallstar
Boomers have had a bad rap over recent years (#OKBoomer), especially with how they vote and their priorities for the future. Many countries are still led by Boomers, and in countries like the US, political parties are actively trying to suppress younger voters, which happened in the UK recently too, although that backfired tremendously. What this all creates is an environment of frustration because Millennials and GenZ are focused on issues relevant to their future, including action on climate, biodiversity loss and extinction, the cost-of-living crisis, the housing crisis, jobs crisis, and so much more.
But Boomers are not being silent on these bigger issues either, and we’re seeing them rising up and taking action. From Swiss pensioners taking the government to the European court over climate change impacts, to protesting the banks role in climate change, and we also have many participating in activism, with some even going to jail for it.
When it comes to where our nations’ focus politically, including priorities, demographics matter, and until recently, Boomers have had the final say, but that is now shifting dramatically. Millennials and GenZ are moving into the driver’s seat, but are they voting? Are they actively participating? Are they stepping into leadership roles?
In the meantime, how Boomers vote, invest, buy homes, or even how they argue with younger people about the multiple crises’ facing our world is causing so much friction in families, communities and on social media. It’s a big challenge, so how can we get all the generations working together, hearing each other, and prioritizing what we must do to ensure a liveable future for everyone?
I am delighted to be joined by three of my favorite Boomers – Cathy Johnson - The Authenticity Coach, Lindsay Adams OAM - The Relationships Guy, and Neerja Singh - The Seenager, to discuss the core issues we are facing today, how we can overcome them, and how we can all start working together to define a future for all of humanity, that takes into account all of the different priorities.
Come and join us. This will be great.
#ClimateCourage #UncommonCourage
To get in touch with me, all of my contact details are here https://linktr.ee/andreatedwards
My book Uncommon Courage, an invitation, is here https://mybook.to/UncommonCourage
My book 18 Steps to an All-Star LinkedIn Profile, is here https://mybook.to/18stepstoanallstar
Just rolling around. Here we are. All right. Welcome to climate coverage. My name is Andrea Edwards, and we've got one guest missing who's going to join us as soon as possible. But in the meantime, I'd like to introduce you to two of my favourite boomers. Nero's Neeraja Singh. Sorry, Nisha, who is otherwise known as the see nature, and I'm going to get you to explain what that means. And the wonderful Lindsey Adam Oh, am I think you're my first OEM. I think you're also known as the relationships guy, but doing lots of other things. And I just saw that we have Kathy Johnson has joined us here she is. Welcome, Kathy. The authenticity coach who's probably the busiest person I know. Well, yeah, pretty busy. But fun. Oh, good. I'm trying to sort out my, my picture here, but you're right. Well, what are you doing that look? Yeah, it's great to see you too. Lindsey, do you want to kick us off and just sort of tell everyone what you do and what you care about? Okay. Hi, everyone, Adam zone based in Australia. Today, I'm coming to you from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia. Been here for a conference in some business meetings and what I'm about I'm known around the world as the relationships guy. So I help people understand people and help them leverage their relationships, in more business to be more productive, and basically, to create harmony in organisations. So, you know, a multilayered thing. Andrea, you mentioned the Oh am I was honoured to receive an order of Australia medal in the Australian celebrate in 2020, in January. And I received that recommendation for my service to the professional speaking industry. And a huge honour, totally unexpected, very humbling experience. And I'm thoroughly delighted to be recognised by by my peers by my community man by the the Australian Government. Yeah, it was well deserved. You do. You do so much. And you always have. Alright, Nisha, do you want to introduce yourself? Yes, Andrea. Thank you. I'm just saying I speak on generational diversity. And like, Lindsey, I'm also dialling in from Kuala Lumpur, where I spoke at the Convention on your rocket fuel for liftoff, the new impact revolution. And the reason I mentioned this as I subject is on intergenerational communication. I believe the generation gap that we see today is not like the Evergreen generation gap. This is far more fundamental. It's about politics. It's about language. It's about power. It's about mutual blame, in some cases, and it's very important to bridge that gap and start listening to each other not just listening, start appreciating and empathising and really get what the other person is saying, because the worlds that we inhabit a completely completely different. That's what I do. That's what I reserved. That's what I read. That's what I write about Andrea. And, and, and it just let's dive into this topic that you are having. Thank you. Awesome. All right, Kathy, are you ready? I don't know. Ah, yes, I'm ready. I am Coach certified professional coach, I do a lot of coaching, helping individuals to get beyond what holds them back. To be their biggest cells, because I mine, part of where my come from is, is when people can get to where they're doing in the world, what they're here for, what they're capable of, I think the world will start to become a far better place. So I do a lot of coaching. I also facilitate development programmes, both for leadership development and individual development. And, and I speak so part of what I speak on is helping people to get to their real selves, who they really are their authentic selves. And I find that most people we lost new jobs. Most people aren't even clear about who they really are and what they're here for. So a lot of work to be done. Yeah. I think I am. All right. So, as always, with climate courage, I like to I like to have be bold and this is another big complex topic, and we're gonna I'll talk about three areas. But the reality is there's so many other areas that we we can get to. But, you know, by the end of this, what I really want to hope is that we can just sort of get some ideas around how we can bring the generations together to work together to hear each other, because we've got some big issues ahead, but let me set the context. So just Just be patient when you do this. So I'm a Gen X, I was born on the first of January 1970. So now you know how old I am exactly. But one of my earliest memories in education was a very, very clear message that was repeated all throughout my schooling. And that was that my generation Generation X would have to take care of the boomer population, when they obviously got older, and ageing became an issue. And it was consistent all the way through, and they are our responsibility. And if there's anyone listening to who, who is also a Gen X, I'd love to know if they if their memory of that was as clear as it was for me, because it's such a clear thing for me, is probably why I've always been interested in it. But there were two other aspects to this message that never got shared, and the first was getting ready to house and make sure that we can provide the medical care for this ageing population. Like we basically needed to really rethink how we built our societies to cater for this. And it's never actually happened, which, you know, considering some of the other issues in the world that we've known about coming along for years and years and years, you know, we're not very good at getting prepared, right. So and people in the boomer age are suffering for this. But on the other side, the other message that we never heard is the boomers, absolute dominance in voting, especially in western democratic societies. So basically, since before I was born, the boomers have controlled the vote. And I will not have more voting power until my the my parents until 2028. Did you guys know this? I still find it astonishing. Did You Know Were you aware of this? No. No. So your kids Lindsey have never said to your dad, why do you get more influence on us? And never said anything? So it's a I don't know why people don't know it. It's a really interesting one, though, NGO, a lot of people are jaded with politics. And I have to say, my kids regard politicians as fakes users, and leeches of society, and they're my words, not theirs. But they, they're unhappy with politicians in general. And they they have the belief that they're all scammers, they say one thing, but do another, do whatever they you know, get voted into power. And then it's do as I say, not as I do. It's, it's a very, I don't know, very frustrating for them. The whole voting thing is, you know, not a good experience so that they don't feel after they've done their their duty and in Australia is also free to vote. They don't feel that after they've done their duty, that it's a good thing. If I can put it that it doesn't there's no, no bright shiny, I'm happy I voted. Because Because I'll get the outcome I want. It's I voted I had to now that I've done it, here we go again. Yes. Andrea, I want to say something here, please. In India, the average age of the member parliament is 57. And the average age of the voter is 27. So it's a vicious cycle. The young are apathetic because their interests are not heard. But because the response is such and the average age of the parliamentarians is much higher. They just feel that it's pointless. And exactly what Lindsey said a lot of disillusionment with the Hmong politicians. That's one reason which is interesting, insightful, which is interesting because of the demographics in India are different right? Cuz he did you want to jump in on that before we go on? Just my references from the US, although I've lived in Singapore, 24 years, but I think there's a similar kind of thing. There is no compulsory compulsion to vote. But there was such a big swell upswell of participation by younger people, and not the last one, but the election before. And then Trump got into office. And so there was a lot of upswell and support for Bernie Sanders. Who was a you know, an older guy, but he was thinking more more like to the younger people, but anyway, he didn't get in got totally beat and I think there's some apathy there in pockets, but it's not like I don't think people have given up look As a AI, they know they can have an impact. Yeah, that's my sense. And they can and I think if we can get that message out really clearly now for the younger voters, right? So let's start with, let's start with the voters. So you know, one of the key features of boomers, and obviously, I'm not talking about everyone, but one of the key features of the generation is as they get older, they get more conservative in how they vote. And I every chance I get I speak to people who were who grew up in a working class family, but become conservative voters as they age. And I've asked them why they do it. And, and it's mainly because the politicians are speaking to them and speaking in their language. And obviously, that's the only language most politicians know how to speak, because that's all they've had. That's the only thing they've had to do for the last few years. But even regardless, they haven't delivered the promises. So you know, countries like Australia and the UK, where they're being dominated by one party for a long time. They keep being promised these things, but they're not being delivered. So I've always found it confusing. But with boomers, so we're facing impact of this trend around the world for a couple of decades, because that's when the boomers started moving into the older conservative sort of age groups, right. And, you know, whether it's liberals, Tories, Republicans, whether they're the government in power, or the left is in power, but the politician, the politics are basically gridlocked. Because there's no clear majority. So that that's created a problem. And I see that our, our, our politics has been basically in this gridlock for decades. And I also consider it how it has been, I don't think it is anymore, but it has been the biggest threat to our democracy. And that is basically, demographics have been the biggest threat to our democracy, because we've never had such a large body of voters that have dominated for so long, right. But it all changed in 2022. And this is where I get my hope from, and we saw it in the Australian election. So millennials and Gen Z combined, are now equal, and very soon will exceed the boomer generations in their voting power. And that's one of the reasons why in the US, they're talking about raising the voting age to 21, because they want to get the youth vote out. However, this is really a time where if we want to listen to the kids, and we want to give them a future, this is the time when we've got to reduce the voting age, and some countries are looking at 16. Others are even talking about going as young as 12, which I think is a really smart move, right? But how can we get the Boomers to start paying attention to the issues that the youth are extremely worried about? And Not? Not? Because they're all caught up? In some fantasy? They're worried about it because they're facing this reality themselves? And how can we also get the Boomers to start really thinking about rather than voting for themselves voting for the future of their children and their grandchildren, rather than what they have been voting for? Because it's not delivering the promise anyway. So we also need to see majorities in government so they can actually do something, we can stop the gridlock. Because if we don't do that, we're never going to be able to act, we're never going to be able to make any radical changes, because that's the only option we've got now. So authoritarian strongman, they're not going to solve the problems that we're that we're facing, even though they say they can, they can't, they can't fight nature. So we, we can't afford to go down that path, either. So Kathy, you're probably much more in tune with this conversation, because we've heard it many, many times. But do you want to kick off with your thoughts? Yeah, I have some thoughts about that. First of all, I have to say, I, I have this personal aversion to, to what I know is legitimate to call a group of people who are born between This age and this age boomers or, or, you know, millennials or whatever, because I, I really work with individuals and every individual is different, however, I get it. But I still got like, I still don't like it. But about boomers becoming more conservative. Let me just say this. I think what has happened in the past is that when people get older, if they've had a career, and they've saved and worked hard and they don't have a a barrier, like they're not whities, so there's some barriers for to getting ahead or buying a home or whatever. Then people when they get older, they will have had a home they will have some things that means that they have some kind of money or wealth or or property or something. And I think that when that happens, some people some boomers and some people will become more conservative and want to protect their money and then they vote money which In the US means voting for Republicans. Now, that wasn't all the same throughout history. But I also know that there are people, I'm definitely a boomer. And I definitely don't vote in that way and never have and don't plan to. But you know, you asked the question, Andre, about what can help boomers, let's say retiring people, I like that better. To start to take a different look at how they're voting and what really matters. Now, there is a chart that I saw this week, I'm gonna go there. Real quickly, it was in the main monitor. And I really love this chart. And I think this chart shown to many, many people, it's a chart showing people who are in their 70s. Now, so has a line at the bottom for all the people who are now in their 70s. I'm not quite there, but I'm edging there. And then the next, you know, the millennials and Gen Z and Y and all that. And when they will be turning Sunday, and what is what the temperatures are likely to be like to keep going in this direction. And so I think one route is to get kids and grandkids to freakin talk to their grandparents and their parents to tell them, show them that. I mean, it's a great, it's a great product, I think it's compelling. Because they're when they are 70s. They're gonna be frying and long before. So I think conversations with kids and grandkids showing some things. And that is not the only kind of chart to show but that's one. I asked, I just made some notes thinking about this AARP in the US. The AARP is the something, something Association of Retired Persons. I don't know what that other ad stands for. But it's a very strong kind of association that basically, once you turn I think it's 50 or 55. Europe, you're a member of that in the US. And it's a big block. It's a voting bar. I don't know how to break into that. But maybe people just start writing some articles or showing up a chart like that. Two more things, I'd say. And then I'll shut up. One is I read another article I happen to come across this week, which was not on any list that I was sent, which was from the Financial Times. And they're talking about how it's a big gap in more senior leaders understanding of what's happening in the world, it particularly around in the environment ESG the whole thing, and what a number of business schools are starting to do in, in, in their business school programme and their executive programme. So executive education people coming back to take the course, is now starting to add in teaching ESG in these courses, because they're very clear. A lot of leaders have no clue about sustainability or the environment or what the hell is actually where we're headed. And I think I mean, when I read that, that's gives me some hope. Because it's, it's almost like there's a big vacuum. We have people who are totally oblivious. I'm saying, and they are older people retiring people. So those are my thoughts. For starters. There's a there's a massive failure of imagination. Every conversation I have, like, I can see people looking at me. I can see them trying to process what I'm telling them is coming. But I can also see that they just can't comprehend it also the speed of it. So the business schools great, but is it soon enough? Or is it quick enough? One thing What about? What about stopping voting and letting the people vote? Andrea, I'm interrupting you of I will add something here. I do believe Andrea that power is never given on a plate to anyone. Alright, we're talking about giving power to the young to take certain decisions because they're more aware of their environment. And they have a better sense of what is needed. And we talk about the age of voting. How about the age elites have eligibility to be a member of parliament in India, the Middle Ages 25 What if they were age quarter legislated each quarter? Because put them in positions of power, facilitate that, so that they have the basis to be able to real right to be able to figure out changes? So that aspect I think is equally important? That's all? Yeah, no, no, I agree. Like, you know, like Joe Biden, Donald Trump, they're in the same In his 80s, right, should they even be leading countries in those well, but but also voting the right to vote? Also, can we say, I think, is there an age limit? You know, even 50? I'd be happy to not have to vote. Is there an age limit where we say it's no longer my right to vote? Because I need to let the younger generation sort of really take take the wheel? You know, is that a revolution we should be looking at? I think there's some merit in that on staggered that, you know, we're coming into the next US election and one of the candidates is 80 years old, and I'm not an ageist person, everyone has a talent and a strength and something to bring an offer to the world, yet, surely, surely, there are younger, equally qualified people who could stand for that position. I'm just staggered that this guy, you know, surely he can stand aside and let someone else have a turn? Are you talking about Biden? Yeah, yeah. But well, Trump's a risk, I'd rather have Biden, right. Well, of course, I agree. However, it seems to be that the way politics is ruled by people who have wealth and power, or they have the, you know, they've got the backing, to stand for politics, you need to be cashed out to get into politics. And that that in itself is a problem. Yeah. Because people with passion for, for other, you know, you know, other things don't have the wealth, to put their name forward and to fund a campaign and to pay for what needs to be paid for therefore, we just, we we recreating or re reproducing the same model over and over and over. And I think that's a problem. Yeah, absolutely. I want to say that. I'm not sure I agree that there should be a cut off for voting. Partly because what can happen as you age is, you become less aware of connected with what's really happening in the world, what can happen is, you become wiser than most. And I don't know if I'm here to this is what you were saying. But I'm, I thought that you were saying something like, if if the proportion of people in the country of a certain age, that proportion should be voted into power, and based on the ages of people in the population. That's how the volume should. But I could be wrong, but it seems like something more of that. You know, I think what I have an aversion to is what is also happening now, which is at 60 or 65. And you have to retire in some places they have that or they're they're making it young, younger or older. And I think that's a big mistake as well. But yeah, for for big roles in the world over key countries. It's at least I guess, worth taking a look at I just have an aversion about cutting people off, which is why I'm I'm all in favour of having a lower age for voting 12 Seems a little low, but I can go along with it. Get get Kathy sign was not not just the age of voting, mine was the age at which you can become a member of parliament, we can be sitting there and lower that age right now is 25 How to either lower it or have reservation and to bring in younger people, because that's the only way to make this happen on its own is not going to happen. The inertia is to set that's if there's voices in the room, their concerns will not be heard. And it's just like having women in an office before that even started, which is been woefully recent. When women's concerns were never hurt, because they weren't even at the table. Do you agree? Yeah, there's a famous photo of women's health and it's a whole bunch of white men having a conversation. Right. So that that's currently in the media in Australia, that the number of women's health benefits in terms of our national health scheme. If you're a man, you get far more in terms of medical refunds for male oriented problems than women do. Work. How does that work? What it's always it's always more expensive being a female come on LinkedIn, of course, of course. And why is that? Why do we go over to Right, no problem. I just don't understand that. And they say, oh, oh, we'll have to review that. We'll just do it. Yeah, we've got Josh, Joshua and Neil joining us here who just left a couple of comments. But yeah, all right. So let's move on to money and investments. Because I think, I mean, when I, you know, forcing people to not vote because of their age, I don't think that's something I'm I'm sort of discussing, it's more about voluntarily stepping back and saying, This isn't my future, this is my kid's future, my grandkids future, I'm going to step out, let them make the decision, you know, sort of that sort of a change. And I think, you know, there's a, we've got a new form of politics coming in the future, that's going to take some of the best of what we've got now and create something new, and then we don't know what that's called yet. And I'm excited to see what that looks like, you know, we're potentially degrowth at the centre of it, you know, where equality, diversity representation is absolutely core to it, you know, all those different aspects that for some reason we keep fighting against, and you know, at the moment, it seems to be going backwards in so many ways, right? So, someone, someone, I can't see that, you know, let's not put people into boxes. And we all agree with that, right? Younger people make dumb decisions. Yes, absolutely. I'm 74 this year and my awareness, work with the UN environmental issues is greater than it's ever been. And with that comment, you know, please don't assume that older people are only interested in money. No, that's not what we're saying. We're just, we're just sort of talking about, we need some big changes. And there are some trends, you know, so after all, the election, especially the US elections, I look at the demographics, I look at the different age groups that are voting, who they're voting for. And there is more conservative voting, and actions, which aren't in alignment with what the younger people are saying we need to be focused on. So it's not about us, well, then that's the whole point of what we're doing here. Right. But another big issue that I say is not getting enough attention is of course, invention, investments and pensions. And of course, we have the housing, housing crisis inflation we have so much for so we're talking about how housing crisis, crisis, crisis next, but we've pensions and investments, one area, all air, all investments have gone hard on in recent months, since basically, since the invasion of Ukraine, is that they're putting a lot of money into the fossil fuel sector, because it's making a fortune. So you know, it's their fiduciary responsibility to do that, right. But what a lot of people don't know is the pensions also invest in a lot of nature based businesses. And one clear example is the wineries. And we all know that, you know, when you put money into an investment, it's supposed to grow year on year, but nature doesn't work that way. So and a lot of the water drainage, especially of the you know, underground water supplies across across the world, they're being drained for this agricultural access. And those wineries right now, underwater or shrivelled up in drought. So that's going to have a big impact on investments in pensions, and it's going to impact all of us. So how do we help the boomer generation to understand and sorry, I'm gonna use boom, because it's the title, right, Kathy. But the impact that their investments are having on the environment, the extensive risk that their investments are now in so the fossil fuel industry is overvalued, by at least 50%. And when we hit peak oil, let me go pass off that cliff, which we might have already gone, you know, there's going to be massive, massive losses. So from a, from a financial security perspective, I'm seeing people recommending that you should be D investing now because the crash is on its way. And, you know, we should be looking at transforming our economies with universal basic income for every generation at the core. Because otherwise, we're going to be all in a very, very, very big financial mess. So Lindsey, are you looking at this? Are your friends talking about it? People are starting to D invest it? Is it on radars? Well, it's interesting because a lot of my friends are approaching retirement. And so Superannuation is a really big issue. And where do we invest? What's the best Superfund to have your money in? How much is enough to retire on and so on? So interesting, I noticed in a lot of advertising for super funds. Of course, in Australia, we have the ability now to choose our fund we can, if we don't like the fund, the employer chooses, we can choose our own fund and we can switch and you can switch as often as you like, I believe. I'm not a financial advisor, by the way. So that's my understanding. And a number of the funds are now advertising that they are ethically based investments. And what that means is that they are moving away from fossil fuels or you know the evil stuff in investing in more green based or future oriented investments, which, you know, at one level is good thing. And so all of this, it's, there's never such a thing as balance. Right? So let's just get really clear on that. It's harmony. And I think there has to be a harmony between what was and what it is and what we need to move forward. So I think there needs to be more harmony, in terms of investments with, you know, where, where people can put their money, and how those funds invest. If we all took our investments out of fossil fossil fuel stuff, what would happen to the economy overnight? I mean, it's an extreme example, that in itself would cause massive disruption. However, I think that, in my experience in us, people are more tuning in more to where is my money put, and what is being done with it. And I have a choice to invest in that funnel that fund based on their investment posture, or Outlook. So I think that's a good thing. I don't know what's happening in the rest of the world. And I'm not saying Australia is perfect by any means. And for all of those that advertise, we know that, you know, there's only probably this much of that much. And so, again, it may have little impact, really. But certainly, it's it sounds good. In terms of, you know, boomers, like at the minute, I suspect they control the wealth, but that's got to shift. And one of my fears is, I have two adult children, I have four grandchildren now is where are they going to end up in all of this. On I'm going to check out I'll be leaving the planet in 3040 years time, but let's say 40, I'll go with 40. Any higher, higher bids? 50. stuff. Anyway. So I would like to think I'm going to be around for a little while yet. However, my four grandchildren to at six when they want it to want them to have that to live on. And I want them to have a house till then, and be able to afford to do that. Now my son is building a new house at the minute, what a process that's been because of COVID. And whatever it's been, you know, on the go now to you. Finally, finally they, they've started the here's a slab and there'll be a frame going up one day, goodness knows when soon we hope. My daughter on the other hand. I wonder if they'll ever be able to afford to house and they're saving up. But of course, the prices, everything's just gone nuts. And so, again, I wonder, you know, what's going to be left? Will we all just be beholden to the people who hold all the money, the boomers? And will they be pulling the strings of all of the younger generations? You know, they can? Because they control so much? I don't know. That's interesting. So it goes back to the voting. The voting power. Now it's a financial power. Right? Yeah. Well, we'll end it. I think Kathy alluded to it, though, at the start when she said, you know, people, you said, Why do people's vote change? And she said, Well, you know, they, they go through life, they assemble some wealth, and their attitude changes when they've got a bit of wealth. And I guess that's, that's irrelevant. It's, it's probably accurate. And my concern at my age is, you know, I'm, I've got a little bit of wealth. I'm not, I'm not rich, like you are, Andrea. It was a joke. I'm not uber rich, like some, some other people I know, however uncomfortable, okay. And I try to invest. Now I manage my own superannuation. I have a self managed fund, and I try to manage my investments in an ethical way, you know, in companies that I believe are not going to rape, pillage and ruin the environment. Yeah, that's my personal choice. That's up to me. I don't this is the first time that I've spoken publicly about it. Right. So it's not something I go shouting from the rooftops just what I do. So, you know, I think there's a lot of people my age, you should be thinking about, where is my money now? Who am I trusting and trusting it with? And what's the outcome of that? And I think a lot of people aren't considering that. They're just going, what's my return? Or look, I made X percent. So, you know, here's another challenge that goes with that. Of course, in recent times, the return on investment has been very, very poor. Because of the, you know, the financial markets, and so you park your money with a bank and really all you're doing is keeping it in a safety deposit box, they're holding it for you. Well, they, they make money out of it, but you sure don't as a deposit. You know, so there's a whole, like, everything is no simple one easy answer is there. It's a multi layered challenge. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like Mary, Mary was just saying how wise you are on that you should still be voting. And I agree. Andrea, what I've got, I want to come in here, I really have a sense of urgency about this. Because what Lindsey Lindsey said is right, alright, he is considering the I mean, there's a social conscience involved here. But there's also this thing a lot of people are not what will make them actually consider this rules, regulations. So and there are rules and regulations that are already in place, and they are quickly going to, by osmosis by other wastes grow. So there is this International Financial Reporting Standards which have, which has announced the creation of what they calling the international sustainability standards board, which means whatever impact harmful impact you're creating, it will have to be on your financial report, it will have to be accounted for, unless that happens, things are not going to change. No amount of you know, talk, or whatever we are doing now is going to matter. So there are actually things like factors like carbon pricing, for instance, their subsidies, their regulations, which force the company to pay for whatever they pay the cost of the inputs, the harmful inputs that they're providing, and reward them for the value that recreate unless it goes into that direction, this is not going to happen on its own. And we I just wanted to add that. So bring out a difference between impact investing and investing. So what Lindsay just talked about is impact investing, where you choose the companies you put your money into. And the other so far, what we've been doing is investing. So that difference once that is appreciated, and people are forced to, you know, kind of put their money where there is impact investing happening. That will be the day Andrea? Yeah. So and I suppose the other thing is, while we're waiting for that legislation, and another us really moving forward quickly is to really to speak up about it, you know, in your communities on social media, talk about why you're doing it, because I think that's really important. But you know, the pension funds, the big global pension funds, they really have been putting a lot of money into fossil fuels, because they need to, you know, get the returns. And one of the one of the books I do recommend, and I've had David and Richard on is the unsustainable truth, like really understanding the sort of how the global financial system works. From an investment, specifically, from a pensions perspective, I think that's one of the best books I've ever read, Kathy, because I know you and you do a lot in this area too, personally, right? Yeah, I was just gonna say, I'm writing that down. I haven't read that book. But you know, one of the things I've come to know is that there are now some banks, some big banks that are now pulling out of investing in fossil fuels. And I think there's two or three big ones. And I think over time, and I know, we don't have a lot of time, but over time, I think others will be forced to move out of investing in fossil fuels. Because it's a, it's a marketing advantage. Even with boomers. I mean, there are lots of people who are at retirement age like me, who are not retiring, and who actually give a care and don't want to be supporting what is unsustainable in the world. So actually, I think, I think there's at least some progress, I mean, from banks to pull out of that of fossil fuels as a bank decision. I think that's big. And I think they will be marketing using that. Yeah, okay. Paper about just recently, right. So, the other side of that is the risk to the markets that exists because of what's going on him because of the collapse of, of not just not just industrial, not just business, but industrial society, society, right. So there is more and more need to be sort of paying attention to that risk, as well. So as individuals as collectives, you know, peak oil, peak meet, you know, we're hitting Peak Peak Peak everywhere. So just keeping an eye and being informed about that is something I would really encourage people to do, especially if you're banking, your future of it. And I mentioned transformation to an economy where we have universal basic income, which obviously got a lot of countries through the pandemic, where the government's you know, in Singapore, the governments were paying people salaries to keep them going. And and that's something that we need to be looking at doing too, because if people don't, can't eat They can't pay their rent, they're not going to, they're not going to transform their lifestyle to be more sustainable. So, you know, there's some other issues, but the other one is housing, right? So like just didn't we know all over the western world, there's shortages in housing. But in the UK, if they bought built enough houses, for everyone that needs a house, that alone would take up all of their emissions budget. So we can't just keep building houses, right. But you know, I've seen single people in the retirement age living in four bedroom homes by themselves. And there's a family with that could do with a four bedroom home that can't get a foot in the door. And people will say, Well, they've learnt it, and of course, that they have, but you know, we've got to start really sort of revolutionising how we think, you know, you know, people, people have tend to invest in properties, it's been, it's been part of the message for a long time buy property, bricks and mortar, that's where you're going to make your money, although I don't agree with that. But, you know, some people have 234 homes. And when their holiday homes, you know, and they basically vacant for much of the year, that's a problem. Airbnb, it's completely ripping the guts out of cultural centres around the world, but it's also changing, changing the whole landscape. So I think we need to complete another revolution, you know, we could be looking at, you know, the multi generational households, which, you know, obviously, in Asia and across Asia is still very much part of the way we, the way you live, tiny home communities where we can get people together. And you know, there's a community around it. But what do you what do you guys think about, you know, how we need to really rethink housing, because we can't just keep building and expanding, we're seeing in Singapore, even recently, BBC did a piece of that some of the last forests are being chopped down so that they can build more apartment blocks, you know, and that's having an impact. Any thoughts or anything, you're hearing about changing and changes, like, inner city office buildings being converted into homes, you know, it's interesting, again, in Australia, in Brisbane, where I live, in fact, they there's, there's a shortage of public housing, there's a lot of people who are living in cars, leaving, you know, working at jobs, but then going to their car to sleep overnight, before they go back to work tomorrow. So they're not, you know, that they're fulfilling a role in society, but they can't afford a house, they don't have access to somewhere to live. And yet, as you say, there are people who live in, you know, four bedroom houses, and they're occupying one room. So they've actually gone around the government has tried to locate empty properties. And then they're in conversation with the owners to try and have people live in those empty properties. It's, it's quite astounding, and that the the stats, I can't recall the numbers, I don't have them at my fingertips. But the, the number of empty properties in the in the greater Brisbane area is staggering. When and there's all these people who don't have somewhere to live, it's quite, you know, quite concerning. And I was talking to an international colleague, and she said, Oh, look, when you visit, we've got a five bedroom house is only my husband and I come come start this way, soon, as you said that, you know, about one person in four spare bedroom, or four bedrooms or whatever, I thought, wow, I just thought of them. And I wonder, I suspect there's a lot of people like that. And of course, the big house goes with, you know, I worked for it, the whole wealth thing again. And I wondered Is it is the time we reframed? You know, once you get to a certain point in life, do you need this space? If there are rooms in your house that you don't enter? Maybe you don't need that house anymore? You know, I, I'm aware of a lot of people who have spare rooms, they don't go in there. There's just dust in there. They look nice, but they're unoccupied. So maybe it's time to downsize and resize. Yeah, I would like us to be able to do this without being forced. So where we just have a different mindset, right, like you're saying, you know, so I've had my family. And now now they're gone. And it's now I can, you know, move into make that space for a family to move into, and I can have a different sort of space, but that there's been the plans haven't been created by government. So over the last 3040 50 years, so here we are now, in this situation in Asia. Yes. Talking about plans. Andrea, sir Ronald Cohan, who is the chairman of the global steering group for impact investment. And the reason I keep bringing up impact investment is because my talk here in Malaysia was on the impact revolution. And he talks about what he calls social impact bonds or the development impact bonds. So it's Same agreement that ordinary citizens enter into public sector or the government with and your returns depend, will depend upon the outcomes achieved. So housing probably is one thing that it could be experimented because you're already experimenting with Ukraine refugees, for instance, or trying to control the dropout rates from schools or trying to keep prisoners from going back into prison recidivism. So they are experimenting with the social impact bonds. And perhaps this is one model templates that is, could be applied to this housing shortage that we're discussing there. Just wants to flag that. No, it's also a fantastic article in Time Magazine, where they said, we can have 11 billion people on the planet. If everyone takes 20 square feet, it's 20 square feet. As long as that's the case, if you have a family of four, it's 80 square feet, right? And, and it's just about us all sort of coming together, you know, there's sprawl, we need to we need to shrink our lives, but we also need to shrink the space that we take in nature, and the impact on nature. And it's yeah, it's it's a mindset shift. Right. Kathy? Do you want to? Kinda, yeah, well, I'm, I'm totally in agreement. I also have been thinking about there's an article on everything Zoomer, which is a interesting sight. But it relates to what we're talking about here. And what you're, you're asking for Andrea, which is thinking differently about how we're living and how we're being with each other. And part of it is how much space we take up. Another part I would say is that it's how much how connected we are to nature period. So actually spending some time in nature and reconnecting everyone I think is super important. But in this article on everything, Zoomer, what the writer was saying is that bloomers, whoever those people are, have recreated most anything they've touched in the past already. And the writer was suggesting there are three areas that boomers or Zoomers, I guess it's what he's calling him might change in terms of what what living alone life might be about. And one is about craft about creating things yourself. Because there's, there's so much that's happening now that you can see on the web of people taking whatever is thrown away and creating something amazing from it, or any kind of craft, it's it's creating something. The other one or three craft Sublime is another one about actually spending some time in nature, reconnecting, spending time relaxing, and then care is a third one. And this is what I was thinking about when you are talking about the how do you change you know, if someone has a five bedroom home and there's only two people but I don't know they work for it and they like five bedrooms or whatever. How do you make that change? But shifting the mindset from we need to acquire we need to have things to how can we take care of other people if Zoomers I like that word better. If Zoomers were, were to take that on and start to step into I like those three, craft sublime and care and figuring out how can I take help my neighbour? How can I help create some different things that are being done in the world, but it's just spotty. At least with the web, we can start to hear about people creating little house small houses which I love for people who don't have any homes that is happening and a whole villages of small houses, which is I would love to live there but myself but um lots of different things that can be done and are being done now. It's just not it just needs to get to a bigger scale. Yeah. And talk about it, you know, talk about it. When you see the examples talk about when you're doing it, share people share inspiration, you know, people are looking for inspiration, because the one conversation I'm always having is what can I do? What can I do? What can I do? And if you guys know me, I'm constantly sharing what we can do. And there's so many things that we can do, but we just got to find that place to start, you know, and if you make if you make your goal I want to take up less space in the world in every way. You know that's that's a good goal here. Andhra that I think it's also a cultural difference. So there is this culture of individual individuality. And there's this culture of community, and where do they meet? Because to be able to create space for everybody, it depends what lens you're looking at, live through. Right. And I think that, that that is the mind shift that we are perhaps discussing. Yeah. I think a gift of COVID is the people move back towards community. And I think we need to hold on to that and keep going, you know. So let's, let's go on to the last section, which is really starting to learn how to hear each other. And obviously, Nisha, this is your whole focus about really helping the generations hear each other. And I'm not just talking about listening, I'm talking about really, really hear hearing each other. And I personally don't think there's anything more important. So when Jack's my son was 14, he came home from school really upset, because he was watching the abuse that Greta tunberg was receiving on social media. And it really, really took his hope away, he said to me, how can we possibly ever succeed here when people are, you know, attacking her, she's the children's hero, right? The great thing about Rachel, she doesn't care. And it's brilliant that she doesn't but but there is still an impact on young people. And they're watching adults ripping apart a young lady ever since she was 16, at first came into the public domain, right. And I don't think we should be speaking to anyone that way. And I that's one of the things I'd love to sort of really confront. But I've watched, a lot of older generations really go into attack with their connections on social media. And I often, you know, just from my observations, it's often often people who are retirees, and they've got a lot of time on their hands. And they, based on what they're sharing, I know that they're going down rabbit holes, because they're everywhere. And I know, I'm familiar with all the rabbit holes when it comes to this conversation. And what they do is they come in, in the attack people, typically in their family or in their community. And it's difficult for a lot of these people, because there is love and respect, or there's a hierarchy. I've been arguing since you know, my relatives since I was a teenager. So I don't care about this. But I can say that a lot of people are very uncomfortable with it, right? There's no winning an argument on social media anyway, but you know, they go, but for the younger generations, including Gen X. We're seeing this crisis unfolding before our eyes, we've seen the graph Cathy's talking about, we know what's on, you know, on the pathway, our own children. But you know, how do we, how do we overcome this? How do we? How do we make it all nice again, or nicer? We're never gonna get nice, but you know, how do we come back together and start listening to each other, start hearing each other's point of views, and really start addressing the mental health issues, because when older people don't take younger people's concerns, seriously, all we're doing is sending them on a path of despair, that's getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And when these Oh, Nino kicks in this year, I think we're going to start seeing catastrophic impacts globally. And, you know, then it's going to be even worse as more and more people enter the, the, the cesspool of despair, which is a place I've been in and out of for the last sort of 18 months or so. So nature, what do you think, are some of the key things? All right, Andrea, so I quickly share about axial axial was my 31 year old girl and she called herself accede with a cue. She passed away in 20 21/7 of December to be exact, some months before this happened. She came to us her parents and she was crying about the protest in Shaheen Bagh is an area in Delhi. And the protest was about the citizenship Amendment Act, excluded certain minorities from getting illegitimate citizenship of India. And so there was an issue there. And there were protests worldwide, worldwide actually. She wants to go and sit there and she was so disturbed about her friends being brutalised by the police, as she was desperately asking me and her father to pick up the phone and make some phone calls. And we were just sitting there completely paralysed. We she was sobbing, Andrea, and I can imagine the anger and the despair and the sense of betrayal, she must have felt. We didn't we didn't make any calls. We are pro establishment. Many of my generation grew up like that. And it's hard for us to go out on the street and pick up black art and start protesting. And I'm glad that some of us are beginning to do that now. So what's happening with this generation is that there is fear. And there is a betrayal of trust. And there's a sense of helplessness, that there is mayhem out there, but nobody seems to be in charge. And I believe what that leads Two is anger. And there's another layer of anger and there is anger and anger and anger, which turns into depression. And there's another case of a young activist in India, who was really really suffered deja vu Her name is Aisha Remy. All she did was create a toolkit for the farmers during the farmers protests. It was a way to understand what the issue was. But because privacy privacy is not respected, she was found online to be circulating this toolkit. And she really, really was hauled up. So the thing for us, the boomers earlier generation is when the young people come to us with these concerns, rarely really listened to them trying understand the anguish and the angst. They're howling. They're howling with a lot of a lot of angst. And they feel unheard. They feel unacknowledged. I do believe my daughter felt that we Andrea. So the most important thing is to not dismiss it, even if you can't root for them, at least say understand and does not say really understand the disenfranchisement perhaps the experience at this time. So that's one, that's one major thing. Yeah, I think one of the one of the issues for younger people, is when older people don't listen or actively go against them. It's infuriating, because the kids are sitting there going, but you're not going to be here to suffer this. So why Why aren't you going to do something to help me because I am going to be here to suffer this. And, and basically, if you're under 65, you're gonna see the worst outcomes of what's coming. Right. So it's not even like you have to be that young to be facing it. And I actually think then that numbers coming down, but like, you know, by acknowledging, acknowledging what the these existential fear, you know, there's damage just in that, right. In fact, Andrea, there have been reports, I don't know how far it's true. But I have read articles from credible sources, saying that some young people have sought medically assisted suicide out of this, this climate angst is very difficult for us to understand. Because for us, it's always been in the distance. But for them, it's like real up there. Imagine, imagine, imagine a young person going through those thoughts experiencing that level of despair. It's real for them. You think across across Asia right? Now everyone's going through record heat, heat and wet bulb temperatures, and we haven't even hit El Nino, right? So it's very young, it's very much on the front door for so many people in this part of the world, you know, up in Canada, you know, what they're dealing with, with the fires, you know, you're hearing the stories from young people who were dealing with that it's, you know, it's a real thing. And then even then, like, in Canada, I was reading this piece, where people are still talking about conspiracy theories around fire. I mean, it just is a real thing. It's not even you know, it's something you can see taste smell, right. Yeah, it's crazy. Kathy Lindsey. Don't know what to say. The communication, how do we I think it comes back. For me, it's about talking, talking to your kids and having real conversations with them, and actually letting them hear, let them hear your concern, but also get them thinking about what they can do to contribute. And it's interesting, you know, my son's building a house. And we're talking about how he can make that house kind of self sustaining. So you know, we're going to, he's going to instal solar power, he's looking at how we can, you know, become sort of less independent on on the grid, if I can put it that way. Looking at the appliances they put in and how they, you know, what they're doing with the yard, he wants to have a veggie patch, he wants to try and grow some of his own food. And I know these are all tiny, tiny things. However, imagine if we all did a tiny, tiny thing, what difference that would make. And I think, you know, we really, a lot of times we we don't discuss these things in our family, we you know, we talk about the weather, we talk about anything but the the critically important things in the world because that's sometimes seen as boring, overbearing, whatever, you know, they're the downer topics. But I think every now and again, we need to have a conversation about those topics. Yeah. I really like what I think that still may be Philip Mary's Point about it is true. Boomers came from the 60s and you know, we're totally rebellious, crazy, rebel rebels. And I think that's a good point about getting back to our roots, but I also think there just needs to be What ninja was talking about some? I think, yeah. So conversations between kids and grandkids and their parents and grandparents. And just like everything. It I know it's happening already. I mean, it's not like there haven't been discussions. But it's sort of like water if you have one discussion. So one may say, you know, a parent or grandparent may say, No, you know, you're crazy or whatever. But at some point, they have to come, they will be sitting there boiling themselves. They will, over time. Yeah. I don't know why it's not showing it any. Either, Phil, but I'm glad to have you as part of this. But I think there's part of what just one of the framing you had Andrea, there needs to be more communication. And listening and sharing. Yeah. And everyone giving, giving, giving space to others? Yeah, I think. Yeah, it's easier. So the four of us share our message from the stage at conferences around the world. And I think, for us, each of us, we have a responsibility to spend a couple of minutes of every presentation we talk about, you know, addressing these issues, or enlightening or opening up people's thinking or conversation. Amnesia, I had the pleasure of seeing you speak at the conference here in Malaysia the other day, and it was interesting, the discussion that happened around our table after your after you walked off stage. So you know, I'm not sure if you're aware, but you provoke thinking, and you did get discussion happening. So imagine, if we all could do that more often. And, and I know a lot of the people who are listening or watching the don't speak from the platform don't have that opportunity. However, they can speak at the kitchen table, they can speak in the lunch room. And we don't need to be belligerent, and we don't need to, you know, be obstructionist. However, we can sometimes be the voice of reason, or the voice of challenge in the group. So I encourage everyone who's listening, watching participating, to have a think about how you can do what's your little bit that you could do. And if we all did a little bit, it will make a difference. Yeah. Absolutely. Andrea, there's one more thing we can do. Let's say there is no Look at me. There's an there's an expression we were my generation, you know, it's like that it goes like that. It's I call it a Sour Lemon, a Sour Lemon face you when you have a solemn and then you're done. And there is a you know, there is an anti wokeness movement. Also, Andrea, their culture was right. There's a school of thought that says, Oh, what is all this nonsense? This wokeness? The thing is that it's not an option is everything is transparent. So there are no sidelines, and you cannot afford the luxury of picking your battles today. It used to be the case. I don't believe it's the case anymore. Andrea today. Better jump into this battle. Yeah, that's, that's that's what I feel. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Wouldn't fix this up? Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I love it. I think I'm some it's something that's really important to do. So my husband's great at challenging my ideas. So I was trying to communicate wet bulb temperatures to him because we hit them. And that scared the hell out of me, right. But when I was communicating it to him, he didn't understand what he said it. It didn't make any sense, right. So I went away. And I looked at it again. And I looked at it again, I looked, and I worked out a way to say it to him so that he actually understood what I was talking about. Because obviously he is not he's not a dumb guy. He's a smart guy. But I hadn't got my message. Right? So I'm, I have always worked really, really hard. How do I get my message, right? So I put together this like 20 page guide on how we can get ready for wet bulb temperatures, which I hope to publish soon, right? Because that's how I feel I can help now. But one of the things I'd say is, when you challenge people's ideas, and especially if older people are challenging under people's ideas, there's a way to do it that doesn't cut their legs out from under them. Because you don't want to take their confidence away, because there's a lot of people speaking out for the very first time. And they're trying to work out how to do it. And if you cut their legs out from under them, you can stop them in their tracks, and they're never going to start again. So I think a bit of sensitivity on that front. You don't necessarily have to agree with what they're saying. But try and at least work with them to understand because maybe they just need to sharpen their message. Right. So that's something else that I see happens a lot. So yeah. All right. So let's, let's wrap it up. We've just got a little bit over and I'm really, really happy that we've had some great interaction from Phil and from Josh and I don't know if there's other people that just says fake Facebook user, but you If you were gonna leave like three tips for sort of people in your age group, that things that they could do and get involved in or say or speak up on, what would you recommend? Kathy, do you want to join us up? You can do more than three if you've got more than three? Well, Phillip married just put one on, he was just saying in his learning in his trainings, team exercises or discussions on climate issues, causes conflict but multiplies awareness. So one thing I would say is just a lot more talking, I'm talking about myself to a lot more sharing or integrating this conversation into what we do, which is not just speaking, coaching and facilitating. I am I'm reading another book, that I think it's very important. Sorry, Andrea, it'll take me a second. It's important. It's called returning the self to nature, returning the self to nature. And it's actually about the narcissistic mentality that is, especially wrapping in the Western world. But it's also about part of that narcissistic personality comes out because we are not connected to nature, which is, the only thing that matters is me. So shifting to a real connection to nature, I think that matters so much. There are kids now who never get out in nature and don't even know what what can happen when we spend time in nature. So I said that and the third one is especially Zoomers. Finding a place where they can show care. And if it involves younger people all the better. It might involve older people who knows, but I really liked that. I think that is one big shift we have to make so that the world actually does change in a fundamental way. That's my three. Yeah, nice. Who's next? I got three for you. In real estate, they talk about position, position position. And I think in this you issue it's Communicate, communicate, and not only communicate what's wrong, but we also need to communicate about how we can fix it or what, what somebody can do to do their little bit. I talked before about if we all did a little bit. And I think we need to think about how can we share the little bit with other people and give them the confidence the empowerment to do that little bit? Yeah, just one. That's that was three. Communicate, communicate? No, I think that sums it up. That's it for me, Andrea, I mean, I really think it's about it's about communicating, it's about having the discussion. But then along with the negative, we have to go with something constructive, that they that they can do. I mean, we can go and whack people. And they come out with a bruise, but we want to give them after we whack them, we've got to give them a hug as well and give them something that they can take with them to do to move forward in a positive way. And I think that's a real key. Yeah, nice. Here's your entry, the first thing one could do, and this is something I'm going to do, because when I'm back in India, I'm going to talk to my dad about this also, look at your investment portfolio. I've never done that. And I know my dad has neither. And see see whether your money is invested with polluting companies. So reconsider that and devote some percentage of that two companies that are into impact investment, that is one. And the second, if you're running a business, it includes speaker business, any business that you run, then get that aligned with the this new, you know, the new policies and new thinking, because sooner or later, you will have to, you have to do that. And thirdly, lobby for changing rules wherever you have an opportunity to speak up, and support and Lord, because unless and until the rules change, things will not change. And so primarily, these are the three things. Yeah, yeah. Lobbying to change the rules absolutely critical. So I don't know if you all saw this. This week, there was a fairly significant us announcement that we're going to see 1.5 degrees of global warming by 2027. I from all I'm reading, I think we're going to see it within the next 12 months, but now Nino kicks in. We've already hit with wet bulb temperatures in Asia. And I know for you Nisha in India, you're going to you've got a few more months of dealing with that Bangladesh, Pakistan. The monsoons already started here. So it's basically from next February that I think that we're going to start seeing thing that real catastrophic heating. But 1.5 And they're saying it's not going to be embedded it's, but we're going to experience it. And, you know, I, I was out listening to the frogs and the crickets and the birds the other night. And I said to Steve, how can we do something like get a, get a water spraying fan in our garden that can spray a section so that they, the animals can come here and have a chance of surviving, because they're not going to be able to survive wet bulb temperatures, we might be able to save ourselves, we might be able to save domestic animals, but how do we save the wild animals and, and without them, and then we start seeing the ecosystem collapse. That's going to impact us too. So we're in a, we're in a very, very, very critical face for humanity. And I I really encourage people to face this now I know it's scary. And if you're not willing to face at least believe someone that you trust that who is facing it, and has the courage. Adaptation is the one thing that we need to be getting ready for. And that's basically what I'm going to focus all my content on moving forward, how do we get ready for all the different things whether it be speaking to experts or, but we need to get ready, and no country on this planet is ready for what is coming for the risks they face? Right? I caught up with Brad health is a he's a surgeon and the firefighter. So firefighter Australia is expecting the worst grass fires season they've ever had, by the end of this year, and you'll need us obviously going to make that worse. So for me, that's a classic case of the firefighters can only do so much. Because we need the entire country saying what can we do to help? How do we clean up this foliage that's going to make the fires worse? How do we get as many people trained in firefighting techniques as possible, but also like in the Canada fires there, they've reduced the firefighting budget, and which has made the fires worse. So and those fires are dropping brown carbon on the Arctic, which is an accelerating ice loss, right? So we've got to get the fires out as quickly as possible. And we need a Global Fire force. And and we need to be putting maximum amount of money and investment into the technology that it's going to solve that. So this is a, this is a We're in. We're in escalation now. And the reason I want to share it is we've got to get ready for it. The path to acceptance of where we are is a hard path to follow. That's what I've been on. I'm coming out of that now. But I really, really appreciate it Lindsay, Kathy and Nisha, I really appreciate you coming and joining us that it was never you know, Kathy, at the beginning, when you said you don't like the boom attack. It was never about divisions. It's just about there's different generations that we need to be talking to. And there's different conversations we need to be having. And that's that's what I wanted to do today. So I just really appreciate the three of you coming and joining me and and for the comments. And I'll see you in a couple of weeks for the next climate courage. But thank you guys. Do you want to party? Thank you, Andrea. Thanks. Yeah. All right. We'll say goodbye. Thank you. Cheers, everyone.