From France to Israel, Kenya to the US, India and beyond, protests are starting to boil over everywhere, with thousands taking to the streets. All the while many more citizens of countries not currently engaged in mass-protest movements are expected to erupt as well – regardless of government attempts to stop them. Are we finally at the point where people have had enough?
Another change in message comes from ‘intelligent social media influencers’ who are speaking up and asking citizens of their countries (not protesting in large enough numbers) while suffering their governments actions and business greed – what’s it going to take before you rise too? When is enough, enough? With issues ranging from climate and collapse, the cost-of-living crisis, deep inequality, government corruption, corporate greed, and on it goes, are we finally starting to get to a boiling point?
We are delighted to welcome Rohit Bassi, The Communication Wizard, whose work is all about improving careers, businesses, and lives. He works with leaders, teams and change makers to be wise and impactful with their communication – skills sorely needed today. A passionate social leader working hard to help the world understand how to become a better place, we are thrilled he agreed to join us this week.
The Know Show is a Livestream held every fortnight on Friday, where Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade (yes he’s back) and Joe Augustin, and at least one special guest, review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters in the world today.
The Know Show is based on Andrea T Edwards Weekend Reads, which are published every Saturday on andreatedwards.com, and covers the climate crisis, topical moments in the world, global politics, business, social issues, and passion/humor/history. Join us.
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To get in touch with me, all of my contact details are here https://linktr.ee/andreatedwards
My book Uncommon Courage, an invitation, is here https://mybook.to/UncommonCourage
My book 18 Steps to an All-Star LinkedIn Profile, is here https://mybook.to/18stepstoanallstar
From France to Israel, Kenya to the US, India and beyond, protests are starting to boil over everywhere, with thousands taking to the streets. All the while many more citizens of countries not currently engaged in mass-protest movements are expected to erupt as well – regardless of government attempts to stop them. Are we finally at the point where people have had enough?
Another change in message comes from ‘intelligent social media influencers’ who are speaking up and asking citizens of their countries (not protesting in large enough numbers) while suffering their governments actions and business greed – what’s it going to take before you rise too? When is enough, enough? With issues ranging from climate and collapse, the cost-of-living crisis, deep inequality, government corruption, corporate greed, and on it goes, are we finally starting to get to a boiling point?
We are delighted to welcome Rohit Bassi, The Communication Wizard, whose work is all about improving careers, businesses, and lives. He works with leaders, teams and change makers to be wise and impactful with their communication – skills sorely needed today. A passionate social leader working hard to help the world understand how to become a better place, we are thrilled he agreed to join us this week.
The Know Show is a Livestream held every fortnight on Friday, where Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade (yes he’s back) and Joe Augustin, and at least one special guest, review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters in the world today.
The Know Show is based on Andrea T Edwards Weekend Reads, which are published every Saturday on andreatedwards.com, and covers the climate crisis, topical moments in the world, global politics, business, social issues, and passion/humor/history. Join us.
#TheKnowShow #UncommonCourage
To get in touch with me, all of my contact details are here https://linktr.ee/andreatedwards
My book Uncommon Courage, an invitation, is here https://mybook.to/UncommonCourage
My book 18 Steps to an All-Star LinkedIn Profile, is here https://mybook.to/18stepstoanallstar
Welcome to the no show. My name is Andrea Edwards. My name is Tim Wade. And my name is Joe Augustine, you may recognise these three people the same screen for you haven't been together for quite a long time. This is the most go and welcome to the once every fortnight Friday show where we try to shine a light on things that you perhaps didn't catch in the regular news updates. Yeah, and it's good to have Tim back. And we've got a special guest today. Do you want to introduce him Joe? Yeah, we do have a very special guest. He is known to some as passionate, charming and, and someone who speaks really from the heart, he's been known as The Compassionate, The mystic of compassion. I haven't got enough incense in the room right now to sort of do the rest of the production but if he would please welcome to the show today. And obviously known for his communication skills. Ladies and gentlemen, Rohit, bossy. Hello, everyone. Oh, and the purple, the purple in the background is for you. Thank you the colour of spirituality. So I've looked ahead at today's schedule. This is one of those shows I call a very, very big show so many things to talk about. And as Yes, as you mentioned in the in the, in all the socialists about this, everything seems to be boiling over. It is really one of those special fortnights so much has happened in the past two weeks. I think we should get down to it as quickly as possible before Tim breaks something on camera. I've broken my microphone. Okay, but I think we need to get Rohit a chance to introduce himself. Sure. Go ahead. Sorry. Yeah, please, please go ahead to go take a few moments to tell the world what you are. What you're really known for, besides what I maybe had misunderstood. I've, I'm born and brought up in the UK origins are obviously Indian. I'm based here in Dubai, I think it's been now 16 or 17 years being here in Dubai. from a professional perspective, speaker, trainer and coach focusing mainly on communication. So communication, being it comes in everything leadership, sales, conflict, resolution, you name it, everything involves communication, but more looking at from a perspective of mindful communication, what's really happening with you? And in every moment, how do you communicate? I say that for a simple reason is because my mother used to always say I've got a very bad temper. And my temper does not help me out when I'm talking conversing with people. So that was kind of the first stage for me to think about how do I communicate with people, and I'm talking about when I'm talking about communication is like the verbal communication. When it comes to written communication, I'm not the really the right person to come to. But when it comes to more of the verbal communication, and what's happening within yourself, which starts reflecting outside, that's what I focus on. And that's one of the reasons clients just call me the communication wizard. Which I'll tell you one thing that was very uncomfortable with it until I looked at the Word Wizard, it actually means someone who has no natural ability of magic, that person has to learn it through the rough and tough and experience to to be a magician. So I was like, Okay, I'm comfortable with that. Okay, I just noticed that irritating thing that happens every time you tried to launch something new on Microsoft. I imagine that for someone who is a communications person, especially mindful communication, that the world today must be the gap between your expertise and what the ideal world is must be getting wider and wider and wider. And either frustrates you greatly or must press some on some entrepreneurial buttons and say, Oh, what an opportunity this? Yeah, it does frustrate me and then I have to remind myself Peace begins with ME. And then we say okay, basically what? So what I'm hearing don't make Rohit angry because he will turn green Smash. Maybe now it's alright. Well, we'll get it we'll get stuck into the news. So as Joe said there, the original sort of news clips that I shared amongst us were extensive, and I had to remove quite a lot. And actually, it's not two weeks in the news, Joe, this is principally in the last week. There's so much going on in the world at the moment. And as someone like me, who spends a lot of time trying to keep up with everything. I'm struggling to keep up so I figure if I'm stuck bugling most people will just just be beyond them. So I'm going to a couple of quick take. So I'm going to start with us. There's some interesting stuff going on over there. So the first is we started this week off with obviously the tornado in Mississippi that killed 26 people. And this is a sort of extreme weather event that will become more normal and more extreme as the Earth warms. And then of course, the other thing that happened was another mass shooting with 399 year olds and 360 plus year olds dying. You know, the rest of the world continues to be baffled by this. It's the the answer is obvious. Guns are now the biggest killer of children in the United States, but above all other things. And you know, they banned Kinder eggs because they had pieces of plastic in them. So the idea that they can't do something about automatic weapons, and you know, some of this social media commentary, you know, coaches football styles crying, saying, What, When are we going to do something about it? It's pretty extensive. But the real outrage in America, the statue of David, because apparently, it's pornography. One of the parents said it was disgusting. And I could emphasising the word disgusting. And, you know, I kind of thought, well, you know, it's small, but you know, there's nothing wrong. I was wondering who would who would giggle at that anyway, maybe across to Europe, Italy, is waging a war on web grown food, because they want to protect the tradition of their food, which, obviously, it makes sense. But there was another piece that was highlighting that we need to produce 70% More food by 2050. So essentially, we need like grown food because we literally do not have enough land for animal agriculture to increase by 70%. And then another really, really interesting LeBron food story was the DNA from an extinct mammoth has been used to create a giant meatball, which is a Museum in Amsterdam. So whether you like it or not cell based meats are coming. We desperately need them in the weekend raises a really good piece by George Monbiot, talking about how basically animal agriculture is the greatest threat to human survival. And, and he really makes the case in a positive way. Don't think I could eat mammoth meat, meatballs, but so there's two quick ones before I go to a long one. And one thing that got me about it was I mean, it's a mammoth meatball but doesn't have to be this size. I mean, he's you can make mammoth meatballs a little more small, I suppose. But it literally it's this big. Yeah. And imagine imagine that at IKEA. When I saw that news, I thought it was a fake hoax news. I just ignored it completely. It's so good. I love it. I love it. There was a pressing fight? Yeah. Well, there were a lot of people saying, we make them extinct. And then we eat them. And I was like, I don't think humans can be blamed for the mammoth extinction. So you know? Anyway, alright, so the IPCC report came out, and it's been generating a massive amount of conversation. I'm sure everywhere you go on social media, you're hearing people talk about it. However, it's still not in the mainstream media, or it's certainly not front page. And politicians have basically been deadly silent, silent on it. But there's a really interesting research piece by nature, nature's great. If you're interested in what's going on in the environment, their research is awesome. And it's basically stating that if we want to get on top of climate change, one of the most important things we can do is protect existing populations of wild animals. And if you remember, wild animals only make up 4% of all mammals on Earth. So this is something we can do, because they restore their natural habitats, improving the natural caption capture of carbon dioxide within ecosystems. And you know, so if we introduce things like sea otters, Grey Wolves, or even include whales in this, they could lead to the capture of 6.41 gigatons of co2 annually, which is 95% of the amount of amount needed to be removed annually to ensure global warming remains below 1.5 degrees. Now I think 1.5 is well well and truly gone. I think two is actually gone. But but you know if we've got these opportunities, so it's a concept which is called trophic. rewilding, and for Danish international experts went out and have a look in savannas, forests and other ecosystems where the wildlife populations were healthy. This is when they weren't. They found multiple cases in which thriving populations of certain species particularly large vertebrates, and we were talking about elephants last year they But they basically proved that if you if you have large elephant populations, it's good for the ecosystem. But basically through acts like foraging, borrowing and trampling increased in ecosystems, carbon storage capacity, by as much as 250%. So I reckon that's an idea that we've got to get on top of, but obviously, one of the things that we've got to do is reduce animal agriculture to create more space for wild animals to grow and flourish again, so seems like a good idea that we can all get behind, don't you think? I think it's, you know, the animals kind of show you the way that what can actually happen if farming was done responsibly, if all that tilling of land and moving and stuff because I was thinking about myself thinking about trying, like, how could you have more animals, and that will help a carbon capture. And then when you think about how it actually propels the rest of the ecosystem, then then it makes a lot more sense, right. So yeah, it's not necessarily having a smaller population is having a less impactful population and negative population. Speaking of negative impacts, the insurance companies of the world having a big look at their lives, because of how the global the climate is going. The insurance business basically is a business that's based on making promises about things if they go wrong, but they're made based on old data, old information. And what's happened is, you know, weather has changed so much, that what used to be a once in 100 years thing is happening, you know, like twice or three times in the last 50 years, or 20 years. So that's really changed some of the way things the way some of these things turn out. So floods are becoming more damaging the bigger and more extensive fires, of course, you know, and insurances that promise that if something bad happens, we'll pay out for it. Now, what's kind of good about the business is that they've made so much profits, and there's so much buffer in the past that they probably have some room before they run out of cash. But I think they're facing a real problem as well, they definitely can't continue based on what they have. Currently, the data is changing too quickly things you know, all the tables that they're using, which are actuarial tables, that completely irrelevant that they're not, they're not representative of what the world is today. So they have to reassess how risk is born. Just a slight adjacent thing is in the world of longevity as well, because longevity is becoming what it is, they're having trouble there as well. So insurance while being one of the most profitable businesses that ever were, you may want to relook how you how you look at the viability, but for the most part, I think they will continue if they readjust what they do. Insurance is really some of the best organised. I think in terms of if you look at the world, and you think about whether there's gambling allowed in your country, the biggest casino of all, actually is insurance, where the business itself bets against you, and most times they win. So what sort of timeframe are you looking at for the collapse of the insurance industry? Well, it doesn't say expert under my name, but I will say that the industry is renowned for changing the way it looks at itself. So it is actually quite a transformative business, it does figure out how to move forward in edifies problem, and then it also then changes stuff. So things like things that have changed the insurance industry or should have changed the industry drastically, have been taken on board. And the insurance industry has done things with it, which people didn't quite naturally think like, for instance, DNA testing, which most people thought would be something that the insurance business would not like to have or not be involved with. Insurance companies realise from a business perspective is actually better to have people test and find out the risk of disease, and so avert those otherwise more expensive costs down the road. So it's kind of become inverted where insurance companies, sometimes being profit driven, actually will look out for us because it's better for the bottom line as being a bottom line. colonoscopies seem to be seem to be something that insurance companies do. Advocate because colon cancer is the most preventable. And you know, if, if men and women over the age of 50, or 45, depending what country you're in, go and get tested every few years, they can just remove any sort of polyp and do that and insurance companies are paying for that. Here in Singapore, for example, they're paying for that for you to go and get that rather than having to do a big payout for cancer later, and it's like seven half 1000 bucks. Yeah, to go and do it. So yeah. Speaking of rare hands, you got an update on Donald Trump. Yeah, let me let me just go incognito for this one. Donald Trump was back on the rally trail. This time in curiously enough Waco, Texas. The venue was curious in a number of media outlets and Trump critics had questioned why the former president was holding his first Mega rally of the 2024 campaign in Waco. Were 30 years earlier federal and state authorities engaged in an armed standoff with the Branch Davidian religious cult that ended in the death of 86. People. Remember, I remember those scenes of everything up in flames. Oh, it's crazy. And so waco helped fuel anti an anti government, a government movement in the US has terms like Nugent's jackbooted thugs were frequently used to describe federal law officers. So this one I mean, he's just Trump's has been indicted in New York, right. So for for paying off the porn star, but didn't know it's actually it's actually more than paying off the porn star. There's, it's an interesting story, if you have an opportunity to dig into it. There's a lot more depth and potential felony charges than just that. But the Waco thing that that that was the moment that changed my life, it made me look at the news in different ways because we had a consistent media stream around the world about the story and one perspective. And then alternative views in in sort of other magazines that were hard to come by, started sort of coming up with another idea and I was like, oh, okay, maybe the story I'm hearing isn't the right story. And maybe there's more to it. And that's what made me sort of get really critical about the news. So I thought that was an interesting one. But Donald Trump, what's going on at the moment, couldn't happen to a nicer fella. One colonoscopy after another. Even scarier story, though, I know that's hard to believe that the scary one with Trump tried to be president again, but this one is pretty full on. This is about the Greenland ice sheet. And it is closing in on passing that melting point of no return. So just to put in perspective, the Greenland ice sheet covers 1.7 million square kilometres, that's like 660,000 square miles in the Arctic. And if it melts entirely, global sea levels rise. Usually when we're talking about global sea levels rising we're talking about like half a metre, one metre, maybe two metres, and everyone's like freaking out. But if this thing melts entirely, global sea levels would rise about seven metres, which is like 23 feet, so you better be on a hill. But scientists aren't sure how quickly the ice sheet could melt. So modelling and we know that whenever they do modelling, things seem to be getting faster and faster than the model. But modelling tipping points, which are critical thresholds where a system behaviour irreversibly changes, helps researchers find out when that melt might occur and based in part on carbon emissions. A new study using simulations identified two tipping points for the Greenland ice sheet, one of them releasing 1000 Giga tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere will cause the southern portion of that ice sheet to melt and releasing 2500 gigatons of carbon means a permanent loss to nearly the entire ice sheet, hence, the seven metres of sea level rising. So far, we've admitted 500 Giga tonnes of carbon, so that's half of the first tipping point of 1000. Which is pretty damn scary, really. And, and I guess the frustration, one of the reasons why we do this show the frustration is things aren't happening fast enough. And decision makers aren't making critical decisions fast enough. We know that they can global pandemic shoden. We know that they can. It's just at the moment. There's a lot of politicking, a lot of lobbying, a lot of money changing hands, that stopping action happening. And it's this is the scary part, I think. Yeah. I also think, I also think there's a lot of responsibility with us to, you know, keeping fossil fuels in the ground. We use them not just for petrol, driving our cars, it's for growing our food. I mean, it's so extensive, you know, it's so it's everywhere. And we have to also accept that this is what we need to do to change and we're not voting for that yet. So I would say, you know, I hear everyone going on fossil fuel companies, they're evil, and I'm like, well, you're still driving, you're still buying clothes full of plastic, you're still, you know, eating the food that's grown because of fossil fuels. You know, where we're at. It's a big inter interconnected web. And I think the global responsibility especially if the wealth wealthy top 10% You know, we need to start understanding what it means to us and be prepared. For what comes with that change? I think, I think at a consumer level, the problem is misinformation. I think at the political level and the industrial level, the problem is lobbying, and, and power. And at all levels. So at the consumer level, it's misinformation. Because even today in this show, we've talked about people saying, Let's protect our own farms. Let's not do lab grid based farming, but at the same time, we need more food by 2050. And then we want to take up possible farmland and give it back to animals. Because we need to repopulate the wild. And so then people are like, Well, hang on, all these things are conflicting, we don't have a plan to put it together, I'm going to do nothing. I don't know who to believe anymore. Whereas, you know, and then, the other thing is, if it is research on plankton, plankton absorbing about 75% of of carbon, the sea in the sea being a huge carbon, then if we have if we have lots of whales, they're going to eat them like that. So it's like, alright, so you know what, I don't know what to do. And we will get paralysed with this conflicting information because we don't want look like fools following the wrong thing. So I think so yes, we are responsible. You know, the drive and Evie for example. I'm doing one of my rent Joe to start doing this work. Once I've gone past my car, my car but the the Evie one, for example, the stuff, you know, people going yeah, go get Eevee and go Well, yeah. But to produce the battery, we had to mined for this, this, this, this and this, and we had to destroy all that sort of stuff. And, and this huge tractor takes up more, you know, to dig it all up takes up 3000 cars worth of stuff in a day and, or whatever it whatever the information is. So again, we're being bombarded by trying to do the right thing, but then being told it's wrong. And then we go, I'm just gonna do what I'm what I've always been doing and nothing changes. And so And where's that misinformation coming from? The same people wanting to power? Yeah. The essence of the message is reduce your impact on Earth personally, and you'll already and we get a billion people doing that we might have a chance. Yeah, no, no, I am wearing a plastic shirt, but it is recycled from bottles taken from the ocean, I believe. And you're not showing Well, that's that's what I've been told. But I had to apologise for all the sediment see life that we're living in those bottles. Yeah, no, this was a terrible one that the bottles, bottles are still branded. Yeah, so I mean, listening to all of you and one of the word which Andrew and I were talking about this just offline, interdependent, we're all interdependent on each other. And you look at the fact that if we if we keep on focusing on the fact that we're independent, this is, you know, we have a freedom, I'm not denying that there is a sense of freedom. And there's a sense of independence, but we are all interdependent on each other. And if one of us misses the link, it starts having a domino effect on every single person. It's like the butterfly butterfly effect. And the more we can get educated on this thing of being interdependent, there could be greater harmony happening with all of us. I mean, when we talk about the planet, one of the first thing which comes to my mind is George Carlin's famous talk about, it's not about saving the planet, it's about saving the human race. He talks about kill all the humans and you'll see how the planet will just thrive. So that's one thing which keeps on playing into my mind. To wire things which has come up in the news is about Boris Johnson was last Wednesday. He he's the one who was responsible for the Brexit. So painful for many people as they can see it now whoever's based back in the UK. So the first thing was he he would be being dictated during a television appearance before the commons privilege committee committee. And this was he was grilled about his claims he misled parliament over parties inside Downing Street during the COVID period. So that was quite interesting. The second thing was he started a rebellion against the current prime minister. And it did not work in his favour. Literally, it did not work work in his favour is one of the Tory MPC literally said that it's it's over for Boris. And that it's Rishis moment, the Conservative Party just needs to move on. I find British politics very strange, even when I was back in the UK being born and bred over there. And I still find it very, very strange. What what happens with that place in terms of how the government runs the whole system? It's quite amazing for a country which was, you know, you had the saying of the sun never falls on the Empire. What's happening with that country is really implosive Yeah, I was shocked a couple of weeks ago when I heard that there were rations being done in the UK. And I was like, what I actually called a couple my friends. They said, we've not been affected. But there's certain parts in the UK who have been affected by this. In fact, only this. I saw. I was at Wesley for last week, something on LinkedIn. Tomatoes not being available. Well, that's because they've all been thrown at the government. Yeah, I think one of the one of the big news headlines, economically speaking that the two countries expected to do worst in this current climate, Russia and the UK. Yeah, I'm hearing it. Okay. It's Russia, Russia and the UK. I mean, basically, and the UK is possibly going to outdo Russia to the bottom of that list. So it's really remarkable. The other thing I was actually thinking about when you mentioned thinking about how it's over for Boris Johnson, I think this is the third time it's been declared that has been all over him, but he keeps finding new depths. So we'll see. He appears he really reappear to some of the other. Yeah, yeah. Another thing which is happening is octopus farming. That's seems to be a thing, which is a painful thing to happen. I in the strangely when I saw that, when I was told about this, and I was on my Instagram, and I saw someone eating an octopus, alive octopus, I was like, What's going on here? So that's, that's quite scary. And somehow that needs to be brought up in our into people's attention about what's happening about the octopus spawn? Yeah, because I did play it. I think the UK said that they were sentient beings. I think that was just last year, right. So we've gone from that to this, you know, so we don't really get it. So some other big news that happened this week is the long feared Population Bomb may never go off. And we are expected to peak sooner than we think. And then we're going to go down. So basically, we're probably going to get to about 8.8 billion people. There's also some other stories circulating at the moment where worldwide, sperm count has been declining at a rapid rate as well. So that's certainly going to help things now the good thing about The Population Bomb not going off, of course, is it's good for the environment. But lower birth rates aren't going to solve this. Because it's about overconsumption, and it's the wealthy minorities that are doing that. But the so they did a report, which incorporated some other aspects like social and economic factors. And some of the biggest things that we can do, which we've been talking about for years, is educate girls. Educated girls have fewer children, they work more, they take care of the community more. So that's one as well as improving income levels. Just maybe back to the environment for a bit because this is this is probably something I've been keeping an eye on pretty closely for a while now. We are moving towards El Nino. And when it actually starts is still up in the air. And I've seen people saying we're going to have no El Nino to a super El Nino. And most of the scientists that I'm following are saying it's looking on track for a super El Nino. And we know that it starts when the Pacific ocean warms by three degrees Celsius. So they're basically warning that this is El Nino cycle could bring unimaginable heat. And if you think of what India is facing right now, and it's going to get worse in the coming months. This time next year will be even more extreme. So we've been in Alinea, a cooling event for three years, which is unusual that within that cooling period 2022 was still the fifth hottest year so I just want to bring this one up, so to say to everyone wherever you live Understand what El Nino means to you what a super El Nino means to you look at the predictions of the sort of temperatures that you're going to face. And then really start to think about what you need to do to get prepared for that like so. In places like India, there's going to be electricity shortages. So people won't be able to call their homes, right. So it's going to be pretty severe. But what do you need to do? So don't get sideswiped by it, it's coming. The forest fires that are the grass fires that are expected in Australia at the end of this year are just going to be catastrophic. So get ready, get prepared. Don't ignore it. While the storm that no one's ignoring right now, is the AI storm. And, you know, I think what's very interesting about it is I think of the environment, the problem with the environment, pretty much the problem with AI. And the way that we're responding to it right now, it's very interesting is because the threat is now clear and imminent. People are behaving and responding differently. But the two sides to the coin mill, there is one that's talking about, you know, how we're, we're fascinated, where we're horrified. We, we feel awesome as well, when we interact with AI and we go like, wow, this is amazing. It's such a such as such intelligence. And the the topic that the article that you shared with me was about the we're failing the mirror test. So the mirror test basically, is when you put a mirror up to an animal, whether the animals able to distinguish that it's a separate being or itself, and it's seeing in the mirror. And what it the article basically says is that because AI as we know it, most of the AI that we know right now, which is chat, AI is actually derived from the words of other people, what we're actually reacting to is we're looking into a mirror, seeing ourselves and going like, wow, that mirror is really intelligent. So that's one one aspect of it. But there is another aspect of it that that is worrying a lot of people and you've probably heard about this big open letter that's been signed by amongst many people. Steve Wozniak, who I'm actually, you know, I hold in high regard. And the other guy famously on that, which is the, and actually, if he was alive today, I'm sure. What was his name, Stephen Hawking would have added his name to this list as well, because he, he also famously warned against AI. And the idea is that AI as it develops, is one of those things where we can't control how fast it develops, when it skips on to the next level in right now is jumping, jumping levels and levels and levels moving really quickly. And for those who say that it's as simple as maybe when we need to finally shutting it off. I want to combine all the stories you've heard today and give you one unified conspiracy theory, how about that? Think about, think about the mammoth DNA story. Think about how we're trying to solve the need problem trying to solve different different things, where we, as human beings are having difficulty with solving those those issues. Think they're about an AI that is able first of all solve the the animal problem, it's able to create animals and clone them effectively, what have you. And then think about maybe an AI that's also understands a bit more about how brains work and neurosciences and all that kind of stuff work. You may end up in a situation where you could have a super intelligence that is capable of seeing the folly that is a human race, and going like, what if we did this all over again. So on one hand, people are saying things like, well, they could completely eradicate the human race, which is one possibility. The other possibility I was thinking is if I were an AI, and I have the ability, and I had a chance to press reset, I might do that, if I learned how to make human beings all over again. You Elon Musk published a joke today, which may be more prescient than we'd like his things to be. It was basically this, you know, a whole bunch of AI people get together and they worked on the AI because they wanted to discover if there was a God. And then when the AI was done, the RCA Is there a God? And the AI says there is now there's some really interesting commentary around it, isn't it? Yep. Joe, that, that survey that Ilan, asking for a six month pause on AI development. Is that is that sort of a? I mean, sorry. Yeah. Are they? Are they? What are they going to do in the six months? Is it just allow everyone to go here, given what the idea would be if you put a pause on things and you and you just say stop, stop for a while. It's like basically putting a pause on a hot date, right? You get a chance to maybe think about what's going on and maybe you go like, Oh, hang on look at a time or use the light, the light, the light changes and you're like, Okay, maybe not euthanize. You know, it's it's a out, it's about the stuff that we don't have in place right now to deal with AI isn't like if you ask the question, what happens if this? A lot of people don't have an answer? So why I saw the big parallel between this and actually, the the climate problem we have is that we're very much in the same space, a lot of people who are involved who actually don't know the answers to it. So there, you know, one of the articles that we decided not to do, but basically, it's about how we in building management companies and don't have a plan for the environment, it's a part of the plan, but they're a big part of the problem. Because people don't realise they're part of the problem. So are we part of the problem when it comes to AI? In some sense, yes, we are. But the not everybody who is part problem realises they're part of the problem. So on one hand, AI that understands language, and who knows how to connect that to the internet, and connected to do the research and understanding research doesn't realise that they're creating perhaps, this, this AI that understands things beyond what we perhaps would be safely safely to let someone else do. And if you think about it, as if you were to, if you were to have a kid, let's say a really smart kid, he was capable of learning everything. And by the age of five, he had the the wisdom of someone or the mental acuity of someone who was about 30, right? Let's say it's five years old. It has to add immaturity as well as the what that might do for that kind of power. If you were a five year old, with 30 you all skills and ability to do things and move things to banks accounts. What would you do? Would it be as harmless as big, you know, with Tom Hanks? Or would it be something more nefarious? So you know, they really, it's a great, big unknown, but from a risk point of view? It could be really bad. That's expected people are saying it could be. I mean, yeah, so effectively, Musk is saying don't fix the plane while flying it. Let's ground it and fix it for a little bit. And put in some safes and Asimov's sort of rules of robotics, put it into AI. So that we've got some laws that we're we're following, I imagine would be about that. But at the same time, it's our trying to say, well, let's we want to control this view using any of the AI apps which are available to us. Sure. Any one of you using any of the AI apps? Oh, yeah, I am. I am. I'm using AI extensively. I mean, and I think that there's some there's some there's some apps seriously that AI, that there's an ear that you guys got into right now, if I knew it finally would get into, but complete replacement of my voice. I don't even hear your next step, right. I mean, try and find an ugly face simulator, and we're done. But if it really is, to the point right now, where you can, you can have all these things done by AI, and there are tools and we can utilise the tools. But the concern is about the other part of it. But the one I'll bring you back is to the mirror test idea, which is the part that we need to also put in being impartial, but we're going to step back and go like okay, are we reacting to real AI? Or are we reacting to just what we think we think it is? Yeah, we're actually scared of ourselves. Really? Yeah. So I have another thing on this. And this is my imagination. People say we're a hologram. And all of this, we live in a hologram. Maybe we are the one of the original AIS, and now we're creating the next version. I don't want to make you angry Well, yet. We're gonna have to keep moving now. Although I will agree that there are a lot of people who are artificially intelligent. Alright. Speaking of artificial, let's move into some fruit food fraud stories. Try saying that five times on a Friday. First to continue the alliteration, honey. And so we're looking at adulteration of honey with cheap sugar syrup. I've been suspicious of this for a while, has been going on for a long time, especially in this part of the world. But anyway, it's been exposed finally. So obviously, somebody didn't pay the bribe. But it's been exposed in a new investigation by the European Commission, which found, which by the way, is called Olaf. I just, I secretly love that. But anyway, let's move on. Which found 46% of the sampled products were suspected to be fraudulent. So let's that was they did 320 samples, and 147 of them are suspicious. And so this is the anti fraud offices called Olaf. The so it didn't paled itself. So 46% of Zamplebox I'm actually suspected to be fraudulent 10 Honey samples from the UK all failed the test. And they may have been blended or packaged in Britain, but the honey probably originated overseas. Honestly, when I bought Chinese honey, it didn't taste anything like on it. So I'm not saying it's China's fault. But yeah, blaming the Chinese beans. Yeah, yeah, the worker bees, I don't know. Also in the UK British farmers were being ripped off by an industrial scale, country of origin fraud in a scandal that's in golf most of the entire route food retail sector. And this is largely due with pork butt, some major food service outlets as well. an in depth investigation by farmers weekly, has revealed that until the at least the end of 2020 foot one food manufacturer was passing off huge quantities of foreign pork, sometimes 10s of 1000s of tonnes a week as British pork. Now we understand what's happened to the British Parliament. Oh, they must have been must have been really upset when it came to serving meatballs but not from Scandinavia. Yeah, well, yes. It may have been a mammoth one, but it's pretty. You know, when you think about it, it's a pretty it's a pretty revolting story. Really, there was schools, hospitals and prisons being found to being served rotten meat as well. Which, you know, it's, that means somebody is selling this off and making a hefty profit somewhere. And then when that cow disease happened, yeah, yeah, it was a bit a bit a bit like that. Yeah, it was about these things are happening. Yep. But it's good. It's coming out. Yeah. But you know what, I mean, but hopefully discourage people from eating meat. So move to a plant based diet, you don't need to mama, because you actually when you read these stories, just like everyone, it was working in these facilities was silenced in some form or another, or they were complicit in some form or another, you know, and it just, it's disgusting. And then knowing that, you know, schools, prisons, hospitals, that's where the rotten meat was being served. Anyway, right. So I'm moving on. The nuclear threat is not nuclear threat is not going away, and many believe things are going to escalate. This week, Russia announced its plan to station tactical nuclear weapons on Belarus territory. Apparently Russian President Vladimir Putin said the move was triggered by British decisions last week to provide Ukraine with armour piercing grounds containing depleted uranium. So quite interesting. The response was swift. And Belarus hosting Russian nuclear weapons would mean an irresponsible escalation and threat to European security. Belarus can still stop it, it is their choice. The EU stands ready to respond with further sanctions. And I'm sorry for laughing at that last bit, but I'm not gonna play with you anymore. Yeah. Absolutely. NATO claims it's dangerous and irresponsible. Any any comments on that? Go, I just like to retract to something I said, a year and a bit ago, at the beginning of this war, where I said this will be over and done with really quickly. Yeah. So I was wrong. I think how China plays this game, I think is the piece in the puzzle. And it's hard to know, right? So we saw the big show with Z going to Russia and meeting with Putin. I mean, if I was trying to right now, if I was the leader of China right now, I'd be I'd be making friends there because they might eventually have to move their entire population up north, you know, because the you look at what happened to them last year with the heat in the southern parts of the country. Right. So I'd be I'd be friendly with Russia right now. So that's on the nuclear front. I think we're going down the George Carlin place when it's just kill all humans. Yeah. So do you know that anger thing that you had? Yeah. To put a glove on with these gems on it? Okay. I'm sorry. No, no, no, you're just gonna say looking at the time should we move on to the thin section? So it seems like things are boiling over everywhere. Anytime. Turn on the news. There's fire and protests. And obviously, our streets are on fire. Well, I mean, we obviously saw that in Paris where a new meme was born. Basically, there's a video of a couple sitting at a typical French Cafe on the street, enjoying a nice conversation. And they're not even acknowledging that there's a fire in the background, which is sort of, sort of sort of symbolic of the moment in time how we just look away. Did you guys see that video? Have you seen the sort of funny memes coming around? Don't worry, it's one of those ones that will grow. But it's okay. I understand the Frenchman not being bothered with what's going on behind the scenes, the dog with a cup of coffee right in the house is on fire. Yeah, this is a little bit fine. Yeah. But this was actually a real example, rather than a cartoon. Yeah, you know, so, France is going crazy. I'm trying to understand all the different sides of it, it's actually hard to understand. But, you know, like, one of the one of the stories is, you know, like a person who is a garbageman. You know, it's a very physical job and having to work another two years at that age is a very difficult thing for them to do physically. Right. So, you know, maybe tax the wealthy more versus doing this. But at the same time, you know, the whole world's moving this way, Israel, obviously, there's a lot going on there. I was speaking to someone from Israel yesterday about from there to get their perspective. And I'd really encourage you if you've got any Israeli friends to talk to them, because I don't think the media really gives a good perspective. We've got political protests in Kenya, which is the opposition and they've been banned. And then in pulp in Poland and Bulgaria, the farmers are up in arms, because the wheat from the Ukraine has been, it's been moved through these countries. But no one's organised for that, for that wheat to go to where it needs to go. And places like Africa. So it's been sold on the market. And here's the farmers who've got these incredible higher costs because of the lack of fertiliser. And their markets being dumped, dumped on with these weights. So they're up in arms. And of course, the US is, who knows what's gonna go on there. On the other side, there's this other sort of movement that's happening. And it's, it's the, the left intellectual sort of conversation that's going on on social media, and I'll include some in my weekend reads. And, you know, there's one about the UK that was really striking. I mean, what was what's it going to take to get the British on the streets in those sort of numbers, you know, because all of their failing institutions, you know, they've got plenty of reason to start to get out, but they're not. And, you know, all of this has been predicted as we move into the climate economy, which is a term that will be used more and more. And obviously, it's going to get much worse. Because our governments are not preparing for what's next at all. They're not keeping an eye on the things that matter. And we saw, you know, the British climate preparation report has come out this week, I haven't had a chance to dig into it. But the headlines are saying, they're not ready. Because one of the things you've got to focus on, if you want to bring the people with you, you've got to give them security. And that's income, food and health. But I'd also add dignity. And I just believe we're at a point where we need a combined vision for the future. And we need to come to an agreement of how we move together through these challenging times, because it's not going to get better. It potentially could get better at so no, it's not going to get better. I've got to be honest, it's not going to get better. It's going to be hard for all of us everywhere. So do we allow it to turn into calamity? Or do we come together and say, let's come through this time together? Let's build resilient cities, and then the infrastructure we need? Or do we just let it fall apart? So handing it off to you guys for your thoughts? I have a quick thought. And I think a lot of people who are able to listen to this, or read the news or have access to the internet to discern and, and go through some of this stuff. I don't think I think they think that it's not going to hit them as badly as possibly 5 billion poor people. And they're probably right to a degree because those those people who are very underprivileged, around the world are going to be really, really hit. Because they won't have anywhere to go. They won't be able to be served by their governments, they, the migration, there'll be blocked out of places that the affluent will be able to move to. It that's that's that dystopian sort of possibility. And I think that's why a lot of stuff isn't happening. I think it's one of the one of the small minded sort of thinking of this time, you know, suella Braverman in the UK, she said, hundreds of millions of climate refugees are coming. Correct. That is the prediction right? And It's like, so if you don't want that to happen, because also the UK could be full of climate refugees that need to move to, right. So it's not like, it's just going to be the people from the global south that are going to be on the move. It could also be the people in the North who have to move more north, or if a mark fails or have to move south. So what we need to be doing, I think, is really just do everything we can to help people stay where they are, you'll help the countries, you know, the colonial sort of era took so much from the Global South. And I think it's actually time to give back to the global self to help them build resilient infrastructure, so they can stay where they are. So we won't have hundreds of millions of people on the move, which is going to create societal collapse. So I just don't think we're thinking with a big enough vision. And the best thing we can do is help people stay where they are, yeah, we have everything that's required to achieve that. Coming back to the point, which I said, you know, we all are interdependent on each other. One piece of the jigsaw is missing, it will have a ripple effect on everyone. And countries which have the resources and have the ability to help other countries. They they need to go out and help them and make those places more resilient. Not just resilient. Also, it's a matter of education as well. How is this going to impact them and everyone around them? So it's not about me, me? Me. It's, it's all of us as a big global community. Yeah. It occurs to me actually, as you were saying that, as well. And Andrea, with your comments about migration to the UK, actually, I think the UK is way ahead of the curve with regards to keeping people from coming to the UK. And I think it's been a sustained a sustained government policy of incompetence, to make sure that nobody wants to go there. And so, but they're probably but going into, okay, that was a tongue in cheek. But yes, but, but that mass migration that's going to happen across the world. That's, that is the really scary one. The thing is, though, Andrea, it means that these, these countries need to invest in these other countries. But why would they want to do that? I mean, the thing is, the thing is, they're happy to do it, if it's a war, because look at look at what's being poured into Ukraine, obviously, their deals being done as to where the food goes afterwards. But, you know, there's the heavy duty with a wall, but you know, happy to preempt this sort of stuff and invest like that, it seems. Government that says that will be voted out of power. Yeah, so that's, that's where we all need to come to an agreement of what needs to be done. And then we need to vote leaders that are capable of doing that. But I mean, countries aren't even preparing their own countries. You know, in a report, England isn't even remotely ready. Australia is not even remotely ready. You know, this is just the base, I think Singapore is probably one of the best prepared countries in the world, for the environment that's coming. It's not you know, there's long term, it's, you know, potential, it's going to have to be evacuated, because it'd be far too hot to leave or the ocean, so we'll be there or whatever, right. But, um, but no country is doing, they're not preparing the infrastructure for hotter, hotter weather, melting roads, train lines collapsing, because the, because it's too hot. You know, there's so many so many parts of it. But I think we need to, first of all, invest in keeping people where they are by making sure they've got the right infrastructure, the latest water technology. So because people need, you know, just water safety is. And then the next stage is building the Arctic cities that apparently we're all going to be living in, they need to be, we need to be building that. So if people do need to get up and move, they've got somewhere to go. They've got nowhere to go, they're going to be freezing, adding to the rest of the of humanity, that suffering and freezing conditions in refugee camps across Europe, or in the poorest countries in the world where the majority of refugees are. So we're just we're just going to have a bigger vision here. So I was at a conference some time ago, where it was all business leaders, people, rather successful Imams from Singapore business perspective with international connections. And broadly speaking, there's a lot of people who want to do something about it, and they're standing at the line waiting to do something about it. But there is this this reticence which basically, they don't want to be the first ones to do it. Right. It's everybody else. I think their plans in place. I think no one wants to announce the plans that are in place. We don't want to say that, you know, no one wants to have that headline goes like, well, the British government is well prepared for The you know the world, but they are prepared the same way. So like, like the way Singapore is prepared for a lot of things, I think I think we're prepared for a lot of things to happen that we never say we are prepared for because it doesn't work. And one of the ways that Singapore has been rather successful, and a lot of companies, a lot of companies, like countries like Singapore, is this thing where we watch and learn. And then we and then we engage very quickly, or we, you know, we implement very quickly. So there is this thing, everybody doesn't mean we think about what's right, what's wrong, what's going to be this, we actually don't know the answers, we have a pretty good sense of what's right and what's wrong and what the next action should be. But is it right, is it wrong? We'll only find out when someone actually does it. And then we can go like, Okay, now just so, you know, we aren't we, we're kind of at the edge here where everybody goes, like, okay, things are really bad. And everyone's saying, Okay, you go, No, you go. So, you know, we're kind of there. And it is quite hard to be that first mover. So that will happen with COVID. In the first place. When COVID You know, it was a problem, a scientist said, this is going to be a big problem. A lot of time was spent waiting to go like, Okay, let's see what happens next. So when we're kind of stuck there. This is why I keep going back to this benevolent, benevolent overlord idea that I have. We frequently don't have the kind of perspective to make those big, big decisions. I mean, none of us have got that overview. Maybe Maybe we don't have the egos to do to take those chances as well. And perhaps we need to go like, Okay, well, you know, you've got the big enough ego, you've got a big enough perspective and the big enough research to have a pretty good idea better than I do about what's gonna go on. You do it. I guess the thing, though, is, the first mover stands to lose an awful lot, if everybody else doesn't move. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I think I think it's gonna be some kind of a populist movement, where we kind of gather around somebody we believe in, and they go ahead and do something really bizarre. Like, you know, like, I think, I think we've had, we've had people who said that we could buy up the old oil companies, for instance, and change what they do. If enough of us get together, do that, make that happen, but put ourselves behind somebody who makes that happen? That could happen. You know, I mean, I was just thinking about this bizarre idea that what happens is one of these days the the the only place that's livable, is the state coming, you know, what happens then? Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, speaking up about it still people, people are reticent, they kind of putting their toe in the water, and they're feeling you know, it's someone who's been doing it for a long time, it's been interesting to watch the evolution of people starting to speak up more and more, but the, I mean, to me, the big, the big ideas are obvious, like we, we sit down with the scientists and say, Where's this gonna go help out to kind of get? And what what can we realistically do to get prepared? Or is there nothing we can do? And when we're just going to accept, we're moving into a 10 degree world, which is one of the predictions, right? So do we just have a good time and, and facing with a smile on our face, right? Or do we do everything we possibly can to navigate our way through this, and that's getting prepared for where we need to be where the cities need to be, you know, do we should be looking at moving farms, to places where they're going to be guaranteed to grow? And we don't know where those places are yet. But, you know, if you've seen the California floods that have basically wiped out the the food basket of California, that's gonna have a huge impact, and more, more and more risk of global famine. Right? So food security, water security. You know, we know it's all we know, it's all there. So what do we need to do about it? And, you know, I think someone like Prime Minister least young, so the Singapore media, to me is always a really interesting media, because it communicates with its citizens, the priorities of the government. And I reckon in the last 12 months, he probably maybe six months, it's talking more and more about climate change. It's getting the citizens ready for the issue. And what the impact is going to be if you guys notice the Singapore mania, from from that perspective, we're getting we're getting water water shortage info coming now. Yeah, exactly. Right. So stuff like saying water shortage, it's just saying, but yeah, it's getting people to think about it. Right. And I actually think it probably because, you know, every time he speaks world leaders, listen. He's just, he's just one of those people that has a his, his, his diplomacy skills, I think, the best I've ever seen. And I don't know if everyone agrees with me, but I think he could. If he spoke to the citizens of Singapore, and he's one of the first to speak about climate change as a leader before he leaves office. Just really talks to community about what's coming. And just just that moment, just him speaking, I think could could ripple around the world and have a massive impact. You know, so it's, we need that sort of action. I give him a call. Yeah. Hey, I'd love to work with him. I'd love to work with him on the speech, you know, with some work with some climate scientists and some other communications professionals and sit down and work out. What is that message in a way that is powerful enough to have an impact, but also is also going to protect that what is Singapore? People? People oriented? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I, I think that's the direction actually, Andrew. I think it's, it's getting this voice into politics. Yeah. And very few have got the courage to do it. But I think he would, because he's, he's finishing his term soon. He's listened to respected. So I don't know. If Z in China, spoke to his people and said, Come on, guys, we got to come together, we're going to do this together, that would have a huge impact as well, right. So we're not seeing that yet. You know, but we need leaders to bring us together and say this is this is the situation we're facing, no matter which way we go, it's going to be hard. And we need to work out how to do this together. So the majority of us can come through with some level of, of life at the end of it, right? Because, you know, this, there's 33 Other glacial lakes in Pakistan, at risk of bursting, we saw the impact of the last one bursting last year. So there's 33 others that we're going to see here that we've never seen before. So are we going to see multiple collapses? What does that mean? Is Pakistan a country that needs to actually be evacuated? Are we already at that point, you know, asking those questions? So I think they'll be allowed into India? Look, I think, I think, I think I'm just trying to think, why wouldn't the politician had that conversation. And I think they might think twice about their conversation. If they go, we've got some real data, that this is gonna happen in 30 years time, they may have just taken the big gun and shot it into their economic foot. Because, because they're not gonna get the foreign investment coming in setting up the factory or the, or the hardball, the banking thing, or the whatever it is, because they're gonna think this place is too much of a climate risk. So, so So then they may have that conversation, because, because if if the investment comes, then they've got the resources to be able to do something responsible. Yeah. But if the investment doesn't come, then you're tapping reserves until they run out. And you're, you know, scrambling. There's not a lot of countries in the world that are in surplus. Yeah. And that's an absolutely critical part of the story, right, you've got to manage the risk now versus later. But the other the other thing is the preparation 2015 2100 2200, that sort of mindset. It's not in alignment with what we're seeing the climate sciences saying is actually happening now. And the escalation and supposed to happen in 2050. It was supposed to happen in 2018. It's happening now. Right? So the escalation is, has begun. So it's about saying, How do I need to lead now? Not, you know, the person that would have been doing this job in 2050. So the timescale is getting shorter. And I think that's, that's, that's the shift that's created the urgency, and I think politicians are would all be struggling to say, Well, God, how do we do this now? Because we were preparing for this, then, you know, so that's a that's another change. So the problem that we face setting as a globe right now actually too much democracy? And and how, and how would you express i The idea of democracy is really good, but the system that we've got to implement it, I think it's what's what's what's what's, what's the problem? You know, when you have this idea of regimes that can change over a period of four or five years, it's automatically it's part of the thing that you can't you can't do long term plans. And you're trying to you're trying to guide something which requires 50 years of, you know, runway, the system that we have isn't designed for that. I mean, it really isn't, it isn't designed for that, because the things that will that will that will cause the captain's to change may not be anything to do at all with the thing that they're actually worried about. I mean, imagine you're on a ship where you go like, we're gonna change the captain because we don't like the food. And it's nothing to do with the destination. There's nothing about getting through the icebergs or whatever it is. That's the kind of world we live in right now. And people are angry about one thing, and therefore they shoot themselves in the foot over that. And then the next thing happens. So, you know. I mean, that's exactly what I was thinking about with regards to what would then be the political ramification of, it's speeding up, like Andrea was saying, and the political ramification would be turntable politics, politics, with new leaders coming in and getting thrown out, like we've been seeing with UK and Brexit. Right. So the UK, Brexit, they went through, like half a dozen prime ministers, as each of them was trying to solve something that was a mess from the previous one. And they were ill equipped and weren't given enough time. And that, know it. Now imagine that globally. So a pen that I guess the difference is, global global warming is global. Like the past pandemic was, so the pandemic was global. So everybody was in the same state of panic. And as a result, you weren't looking at somebody else being in a significantly better situation, the new whatever. So that would be the only thing that I would think, but I think it's a we actually have the same problem even with COVID. To be to be fair, I mean, we had all these different things, different brands of COVID, management and different areas of pointing comparison. I mean, we know the fundamental economies, what I mean is we didn't see the leaders, churn quickly, leaders tend to in crisis, like a World War, and suddenly, the leader, who seems to be the most stable, like a Churchill seems to stay there until it's cleared, and then they boot him out, because they just need fresh. Everything else, you know, they get rid of the austerity and they bring in the, the whole person, whatever it was. So that's an interesting one, because, yeah, give it a chance. And one of the things which even when I'm listening to all of you, and what I seen in the papers and all that, when the core focus is just profit, money, nothing is going to work, then this is not going to happen. When the focus is going to turn about the wellness of, of humankind, of the environment of the planet, then things will work. But we any, any government, or any business, or whatever, we tend to focus on what is the profit, I'm going to get out of this. That's, that's an until we are going to be in that mental frame of profit, profit, money, money, nothing's going to be resolved, people are going to only work in their own self interest. What am I going to make up? How much am I going to make it? How can I kick someone out of this? Because it's a very selfish way of looking at it. And so this, this thing about interdependence is not going to be happening for these people, because they're only thinking about themselves, me, myself. And I That's it. But it's more of of a, how are we educating ourselves in terms of morals, ethics, principles, and for the, for the greater good. with what's going on, that's being stripped out of schools at the moment that so, so the only thing is we can do is as individuals, we have to do whatever is possible little by little, wherever it's possible for us. Because no one's I mean, it's like, if you know, recycling is good, do the best to do the recycling, you have to do, if you know something is every little counts, even the smallest thing, even one person making a change will count in one way or the other. If we keep on depending on the governments and other people and one guy will lead us or one lady will lead us now it's not going to work, we all have to lead ourselves to do just that little bit, whatever I've done different today, to help the environment, the the the community, so that it can prosper, that's income come from a space of well being. That's how I look at it. So the thing that I hear often, and it's very often the idea of the point what what's caused the problem is capitalism. But it's seldom not seen as the answer. It could be the answer to the problem. You know, like, if you look at what Singapore does, in a lot of what it does, it actually converts the problem into an incentive game. It makes it into an economic game and trying to try to figure out a way of incentives and schemes to do to make people behave in certain way or do certain things and the population does or what they buy in terms of the companies and what they do. And it was kind of what I what I heard at this big conference is like there is a whole bunch of incentives that are on the table and can be can be turned into incentives that can make us work towards it together as an like, I mean, think of it in terms of like the Space X Prize, but The price is the is the is all the goal you know it all the gold in the in Fort Knox, which is now nothing. But if you imagine that kind of a super price incentivize, maybe not billionaires just to have to go for it but you know incentivize teams to do something and put some kind of great reward out there. Companies do behave just like organisms in saltwater or oily water, they will they will move away from what is damaging to them, and they'll move towards what is good for them. And sometimes what it is it's a combination. And then the combination is governments using capitalism in a way that moves the needle. The problem right now is the the people who have harmed hamstrung the governments are actually the people themselves. So the population stops the government from taking the big action that's going to move the companies. And that's really where the problem is. We The problem isn't like when I saw something on social media that day, someone was posting about one particular topic. And then someone said, Well, I'm not gonna say anything, because I don't I don't trigger off the, the snowflakes and I went, that's the problem, we're not able to have these conversations so that we can say, okay, you know, what this is, as a group, this is the right thing to do. We need to get together, we need to have this chat, we need to say this is the right thing to do. And then let the government let the government know that it's okay. You know, like Singapore, I think is just the right place to do something about it right now, because we haven't gone that far yet. I think five years in the future 10 years in the future, Singapore will not be able to do what I think it's going to be able to do right now as in like, I think Singapore is in terms of the government is losing its grip, in terms of what it can do with autonomy, where it can just call upon the mandate and say, we will take this drastic action or whatever it is. Because we're getting into the phase right now where we're thinking too much about ourselves in terms of my my my tweet, more more tweets actually more my my Instagrams, or My Messages, My tic TOCs, whatever it is, we're getting into into that place where we haven't quite got there yet. And what's really good is here things are being taken care of, so that people can say like, yeah, okay, you know, everything's okay, we can deal with these other problems. The rest of the world has a great difficulty, because the basic things aren't being taken care of, I don't have a job. I don't have enough food, no security, education is bad. Let's not talk about the big ideas helped me get to tomorrow. Yeah. Forget about tomorrow, we get this one. Now, we're sorted out, in some cases, challenging, just give me enough money to pay for heat, because I'm freezing. Yeah, you know, give me enough money to feed my children. You know, I mean, so if you take if you take that stress away from people, then then going to be able to think about other things. Right. But there's, there's too much stress. And, you know, I think the job, you know, the job I see that I've gotten now is just to try and help people see that what the path that we're on as a society of human society is, is a great awakening. It really is a great awakening. And, you know, Carl Sagan said to us, what a congress, you know, we need a massive rise in consciousness. And, you know, Robert, you were saying a little bit everyone does a little bit. And actually, you know, Antonio Guterres said everything, every everything everywhere, all at once, as far as action goes. So we need to take action business needs to take action government needs to action like action everywhere, because it's it's, it's we're on the cusp, you know, if Greenland goes the ice sheet goes like Singapore is no more it'll be underwater, maybe you'll have a maybe a little hill left, you know, but, you know, that's we're moving towards those, those those lines very rapidly. So we need to get on board is democracy the right idea to know Joe, like, that's obviously not a popular conversation that anyone wants to have. But I think it's one we should have. I think we need a like a cancel of sages, you know, the widest wisest people in the world from all age groups come together, and they sort of they sort of overlook the transformation we need. We just need to think in new ways. And the economy needs to be redesigned, redesigned, so with with Earth, core nature at the core, if you're making a profit, but destroying nature, and that cost isn't factored in, then that's a mistake. And that's a big problem with the economy, right? So there's some big, big, big things that we need to change. But we need to I suppose, right now, what we need to do is get our heads into the game and really start thinking about what does this mean when I talk to people about some of the things that we need to be thinking about doing they're like, Oh, my God, they haven't even gone that far. And they're thinking, we have to, we have to radically change how we think. That's, I think, in general, his world. We need we need mindfulness at a global level. It needs to be something which is where as I do as I do something, I mean, the whole idea of mindfulness is just for myself anyway, it's like I'm I keep track of what's going on and my employer repercussions and others and I think I think the there needs to be this combination, I think we need to move a bit out of the idea of just fix the problem yourself. I think we were trying to we were trying to say, I mean, you know, we talked about being independent, interdependent, we need to acknowledge that, while all these things about me, I do feel about how you feel about me as well. And I think that the world is on fire right now. Because there's a lot of animosity towards each other, because I am concerned about what you think about me, I don't like that you don't like me, and therefore I'm not going to work with you. And that is amplified now because of silos and stuff like that. And, and with ai ai, which reflects what you say. So it's the it's the, it's the digital mirror, and we're gonna have more of that building up as well. What we, what we really need is, and I've, regrettably, this is what I've always found, someone needs to die. I mean, it really is that kind of a thing where something really, really big has to happen. And we go like, Oh, that was really bad, you know, and then we wake up. So it's an entire country disappearing, an entire island disappearing, you know, like, you know, something like we wanted to tsunamis happen the first time that that whole wave of tsunamis happened on the bad one with a wave of tsunamis. But when the tsunamis happened around the earthquakes in Indonesia, that changed the world, in terms of how he thought about tsunamis, and risks and stuff like that. And it was because of the abject destruction that happened out of this one singular event, and it had to have human lives involved. Because we've seen what happens with forest fires, you can have a billion animals burned in a in a forest fire, it doesn't affect us. It doesn't make us really wake up. But if you have a million people disappear suddenly, because of one event, you get a chance, not a not a permanent challenge, but you get a chance to focus attention around it for a while. Now, the problem is we were in this attention deficit. Well, we're trying to work with attention. And the politics is so bad now because any chance to draw attention to anything becomes instantly politicised. One incident means 10 Different things based on what you want it to mean. And we need something right now to happen, unfortunately, a climate calamity which is irrefutably a climate calamity, because what we've seen isn't enough, right. So I think that I think the wildfires in Australia and the fact that Australia is going to be eating 1.97 Warming, when the cell Nino kicks in, which could potentially destroy the entire Great Barrier Reef. I think, hopefully, that's enough, you know, but the more the more we weigh it, and the more strain the events get, the closer we are to the tipping points, and the less chance we've got because see, the good question also arises, where does this extreme happen? If it happens in a so called what we call the third world or or the developing countries, would people even give a damn about it? But if it hadn't been more developed country? What would be the reaction then? Yeah, so 24 hours, it depends where it's going to happen as well. But it took 24 hours for the event in Pakistan to hit global media. And I couldn't believe that, like, because it was the largest body of water ever released on Earth. That was the story. And it took 24 hours for publications like The New York Times to pick it up. I mean, the BBC picked it up, because it's obviously got a strong heritage with Pakistan. But I just that, you know, I couldn't believe that. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Like, well, it needs a global pandemic, of climate, climate pandemic, everyone to feel it at the same time. Which you which you know, what? The, the only thing I can think of that would do that is a sheet melting and sea levels drastically rising by two minutes. And immediately you would go, we get it. Yeah, but everyone will be in calamity mode. Yeah. What I'm, yeah, I mean, I, I've just it the more I think about it, the more it seems to be going towards an illicium. Slash, remember, 2012 that movie 2012, where they built big arcs. And who was getting on the ark? Yes. And the people that were getting on the ark, were all the rich people. And everybody and then the whole thing came down to the workers are out there who built this thing? Can't we let them on? And then that was the big dispute, but there was still 7 billion other people about to die or dying. And so it, it it it has that focal point. Because if everybody is in it not in surplus, the only girl indebted here, there and everywhere. And that's about trade and control and not very many interpret. Then when calamities happen on a global scale and frequently, and the insurance companies all goes down because they can't, then then then they have to be, I would have thought as to be some people in the control area going, Look, we got to make tough decisions here. And I harken you back to Great famines in China, where they went, we're just gonna let half the population die. Then, you know, pirates and evil, but I think everybody's going to, I think that, in a sense, it sounds to me like that's where it's going to end up. Yeah. Which, which means the model comes down to, weirdly enough survival comes down to which means nothing's going to change while people try to get that. Which is. That's not a great hopeful story. And it's not necessarily guaranteed either. But you know, this idea that wealth will get you through? No, it doesn't. The tipping points, they're all very, very different and depends on which one goes first. That's, that's when the that's when you'll start being able to understand where how to make the decision of what your next move. So if the a mock a mock current collapses, which, which it's on the way to doing, the entire northern hemisphere will be in an ice age, which means that we'll be able to reflect enough sun back into the atmosphere that potentially could cool the planet down, that it'd be pretty crap for the northern hemisphere. And but the south might have a chance. So it depends if that happens first. That's, you know, that's, that's a different outcome. So there's lots of tipping points. And, you know, that's kind of what I'm paying attention to which one will be first to go, but I think we should wrap up. Sorry, Robert, I know you want to do you want to just No, no, no. No, I got a question quickly, Andrea, as a part of a wrap up, where do you buy the next house, you don't buy a house. It's a I have to say, ya know, buy, buy, buy something that can move. So when you buy go or a boat, being mobile, but you don't want to have a stranded asset. And anything. To me, this is just my decision. Anything physically tied to land is not a good idea. So do the research on where you live. Before you make that decision, why you have voting villas, which they're promoting sometimes. Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah. But be able to move. But anyway, so what's good what's keeping you guys distracted? Well, Netflix, good. Oh, good. Oh, reliable Netflix, I've been actually been nursing COVID For the past two weeks here. So I've been just holed up at home, not meeting people, and actually been isolating in my room as well. And I got two shows, which I think are quite interesting ones being quite heavily promoted. And that one's called a night agent. What's nice about I like series that actually have an ending, so it's a limited series night agents is quite nice. It's a it's a usual usually built around the there's some kind of conspiracy happening in the US. And that's always fun. But the other one that I kind of enjoyed and found by accident was pieces of her. And it's quite a, an interest, again, limited series. But the idea that you never really know someone, and I don't want to spoil it for anybody. But the idea is essentially the whole story comes out of some violent action that happens, where the mother steps in, and it leads to more questions and answers. And then there's a whole unravelling. It's a mother and daughter thing it's an adult relationship about the past and secrets kept and stuff like that. And it's a really good good series. Also a nicely limited to eight episodes, which is I think consumable Yeah. Nice. Yeah. What anything you're so watching, reading what I'm watching. I watched this thing called so helped me Ted. It's a Canadian series. So I quite enjoy it. It's comedy. So I would say worth watching watching that. And, and the other thing which I tend to do quite a lot in distraction wise is something called Pull upon upon. What? Whole open upon? That's what I heard as well. Yeah. Yeah, it's a lie in a Hawaiian way of resolving conflicts. So it's a line making things right. So that that helps me a lot when I'm getting frustrated and angry or irritated. You throw people in volcanoes, it will Yeah, I would love to. Is there a 32nd? Description description of what it's like? Yes, you can literally say it's a very so if you're into the more of the spiritual side of things, it's literally by literally saying to your subconscious, your inner child, that I love you. That's it. That's it. That's, that's literally the crux of it. And forgiving your, your inner child, whatever is happening in the Hawaiian spiritual practice that involves learning to heal all things by accepting total responsibility for everything that surrounds us confession, repentance and reconciliation. Absolutely. Even the walls, even the climate change everything. And it was your fault. Maybe I knew it later. But basically, we need to get rid of Rohit. And you found the solution. Yeah. Science of Living? Well, although if you turn it a little bit, I don't know if you can see, but it's, well anyway, it says the science of sleep work, diet, rest, love, exercise, living 219 reasons to rethink your daily routine. And one of you know, a bunch of cool little questions. And this one was like, When should I drink my first coffee. And for me, it's like immediately before waking up, but but actually, they saying the science would suggest the best time to reap the energising rewards of caffeine is in the two to four hour window after waking up when cortisol is fold away, and it is fallen away and adenosine starts to rise. And they give you some chops, and various other bits and pieces. And that's if you need the energising effects of caffeine, if you just need the ritual of having a hot cup of coffee, then okay, she'll go ahead, but they're just saying it'll make you jittery at that point, because your natural hormone levels are reading that book. And it's got lots of lots of things like like that to go. The book colour kind of matches what you're wearing. Yeah, imagine if I green screen. Does that just be a floating head? So yeah, I was I was I was sort of having a look at that between I mean, at the moment, I've got a paper to paper, three papers. Do you now? See, there's a problem with leaving everything to the last minute climate change people? And that is, it piles up? A little bit on the anxiety side? But But yeah, so I. Yeah. So I got a exegesis paper on Hebrew exegesis, do a good an Old Testament paper and Ecclesiastes, that's the perfect one for climate change. Ah, well, just smoking dust in the wind. Because that's what's going to be if we don't do anything, and then the, and then I've got a paper, another paper, a history paper, which weirdly enough, and I'm amazed, you mentioned it is is on the Great Awakening, but not the Great Awakening that's required for climate. So yeah. I obviously, I don't have any downtime. So I found this article the other day, and in the title was the top 100 documentaries we can use to change the world. So I'm very committed to the idea of I've spent a lot of years trying to make sense of what's going on in the world and what we need to do about it. And I've gone through the despair and the lack of hope. And I'm dragging myself out the other side of that trying to work out what is the answer? What is the ultimate answer? And it is, it's actually what we were talking about before raising human consciousness. So I found this, the top 100 documentaries we can use to change the world and I've decided to watch all 100 of them. And I started with how Cuba survived peak oil. And that's because in recent weeks, there's been a lot of talk about peak oil and peak oil is a pretty interesting thing because once we hit peak oil, economic calamity quickly follows so there's lots of people have got different opinions about whether we have of we've already passed it or it's in the future or whatever. But the reality is, if we're not prepared for the end of oil We have to get ready for what that means. So how Cuba survived Peak Oil is really, really interesting. And it's that community coming together for a community farming, getting the fertilisers out because they didn't have any oil and gas, they got on bikes that they bought from China, because they couldn't drive cars, you know, the whole thing. And I think, I think that sort of information is important to understand as well. So, so we can all start to get prepared, get our communities prepared. And that's, you know, that's that's the message now, it's like get prepared, you know, however you can, wherever you are, do what you can, and it has to be community driven, because you can't none of us are going to make make it through the challenging times alone. So there you go. I can. I'm not being distracted. What I like about that, though, is it's about a relationship. Yeah. And that's what we've been sorely missing, I think for a couple of decades. Yeah. You know, and I think if we bring the world back to relationships again, and from where I sit, it's relationships with each other, and a relationship going that way as well. Not to Joe. But yeah. And so it's that relationship with self, which is what Rohit was talking about. relationship with others, which is what you're talking about, and relationship with the big guy and this guy. And I think those three things, bring in hope. Bring in purpose. Bring in togetherness. And within within. Find simple joy, even in the suffering. But yeah, ultimately, just be there for everybody. And yeah, so I'm in the hope industry now. But that's where I'm moving into. Yeah, me too. Me too. Yeah. All right, guys. perma, thank you so much for joining us really appreciate it, but gone a little bit over. So it's good to have you, this is a time that requires deeper conversations or deeper reflections. And if you look at what people are sharing, sort of, on social media, from all sorts of industries and all sorts of backgrounds is there's a lot of there's a lot of people who are moving into a space of deeper reflection and asking the real questions, you know, how, how the hell are we going to get ourselves out of this. So I suppose where none of us are scared of having those conversations and just want to encourage other people to have them because I just don't want to get I don't want my community sideswiped by this. And that concerns me like putting your head in the sand. Okay, that's what you need to do. But it's not really helping us. But it's also it's also hitting the sand. And it's also if we look at some of the stuff that we've we talked about or stuff that's on the news, it's just being distracted by nonsense media. Like just not like nonsense, like, honestly, why are we still talking about Trump? But you know, so for a little while longer, yep. Johnson, you may be gone. But, you know, we talked about bigger, bigger issues and real stories about people. And what we need to do, right. All right, so we're gonna we're gonna end the broadcast. But thanks for joining us. Join us. So final word. Thank you for allowing me to be it's an honour. It's an honour. Thank you so much. Good. Good to have you, Jay. Well, I just I just want to say that I have an idea. I think I know how to save the world. But you'll have to catch it on next week's episode, not just the next. Oh, conversation conversations. It'll all come up. But I seriously have an idea and I think the answer might be living in YouTube somewhere. After reading all about it the next time. I have to share it with me. All right, let's see in a couple of weeks. Bye, guys. All right. Have a great weekend.