Uncommon Courage

The Know Show – a look back at the year 2022

December 16, 2022 Andrea T Edwards, Joe Augustin, Karen Leong, Roshini Ganesan Episode 85
Uncommon Courage
The Know Show – a look back at the year 2022
Show Notes Transcript

It’s our last show for the year, so come and join us as we look back at all that has happened. From the celebrity moments, to war, to crypto blowouts, to crazy politics, to the climate emergency, and more, 2022 has been a year that has spun us all around and turned us upside down. However, while it might look like it’s all bad, there has been plenty of good news and hope in the mix too. 

We are thrilled that Karen Leong will be joining us again, as Tim Wade continues to enjoy his time with family in Europe. Karen works with corporations to build high trust, high performance cultures. A Business APAC Visionary Woman Leader awardee, she is an author, trainer, professional speaker, and she isn’t afraid to talk about the issues that matter in the world today. 

We are also delighted that Roshini Ganesan has accepted our invitation to join the conversation. For more than 20 years, Roshini has been empowering people to dive-in and embrace the change needed to create better versions of themselves. She helps people understand how they can change to become effective and engaging presenters and communicators, or positive and optimistic people who others want on their team, or as confident and trustworthy leaders’ others are ready to follow. She’s a great lady and we’re so happy she’ll be joining us. 

Lots going on, lots to discuss, it’s been a big year, come and join us. 

The Know Show is a Livestream held every fortnight on Friday, where Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade and Joe Augustin, and at least one special guest, review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters in the world today. 

The Know Show is based on Andrea T Edwards Weekend Reads, which are published every Saturday on andreatedwards.com, and covers the climate crisis, topical moments in the world, global politics, business, social issues, and passion/humor/history. Join us. 

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Welcome to the no show. My name is Andrew redwoods. And my name is Joe Augustine. And you might notice that Tim's not here but someone a little bit of looking seems to be around in his in his place. And I am Karen holidaying in Singapore. Home is always a holiday. But really, really great to be back here as well when the no show was so happy you agreed to come back. Thank you. Just to kind of wrap up the year, I think there's just so much on the agenda to plough through so happy to just help to jump in and make some sense to it. The idea being the no show for those of you who are watching it, maybe for the first time it is to help you to be more in the know, you know, to have conversations because it's not based on some small rumour you've heard this or the other but find out more about what actually has happened. We're not a conspiracy zone. This is more about the facts. We're trying to find out what the real things are in the world, although that's exactly what the conspiracy theorists will say as well. But let's get to it. We're going to try and do a review of the entire year and we always want diverse views as well. So we also have joining us on today's no show. Roshini Gan, Hassan Rajini Hi. Oh, hang on. Let's throw you on. I wasn't going to do it just in case. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Join me that is. So but I do want to point out I've had to really twist her arm to get out here. So I'm very, very, very happy that she finally accepted my invitation. So much. Thank you. So that's a quick, a quick introduction, Rashida, what, what do you do? So what do I do? I'm a trainer, coach, speaker do a whole host of things around the world of change. And, you know, the change that we can do for ourselves, you know, as well as with our teams. And, you know, so all that kind of work, right? Yeah. And holidaying, too, by the way. I heard you talk about holidays. And I'm already in the holiday mood, because I am back in Malaysia, having a reunion with my family that I haven't seen in three years. Wow. All the family I have, you know, Andrea? Yes, that's lovely. And you know, the thing about this, this period of time, I mean, we're going to the New Year in 15 days, and, and what I love about today's episode is actually the need to look back. Because sometimes we're in such a hurry to look at the next new cycle that we forget to take a pause. So many things have happened this year. And I think it's it's actually too much information, I have to say. But the ability to also just decide what really resonates with us what we care about, and just, you know, use that as the cornerstone to move ahead mindfully. I think that's what we aim to kind of leave with with all of you in this show. Yeah, don't be don't be overwhelmed. But actually, this is a great opportunity to focus on what you care about. Yeah. And it's such an interesting process when you go back through the year, and you're like, Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. Because like you say, Everything's moving so fast. But yeah, and it also, when you look back, you can put more context around things, rather than instant reaction that we seem seem to always have to stuff right. So let's get into it. So one of the things that I thought was really interesting. So this is our last show of the year. And this time last year, omicron had just become a thing. And I don't know if you guys remember this, but at this point, we will be coming aware that based on what was happening in South Africa, and it had been there long enough to have rolled out. We were we actually went into the new year with some hope for the first time since the pandemic started, because it looked like it was going to be unless a virus which you know, the world could cope with. And of course, now looking back and seeing where we are now with COVID it's kind of not exactly where people think we are, although, if you look at the media coverage around COVID, it's so low, like it can really and you know, we've got children or children dying of strep throat across across the US and Europe. You know, there's all sorts of weird and weird things going on with long COVID I mean, there's a lot still going on with COVID. And a lot of the medical sort of professionals I follow on Twitter are really really sounding the alarm like hospital, hospital. Entrance rates are up everywhere. It's like yeah, so I think this Christmas season we're going to be seeing COVID Back in May Be back in the media where it should be so yeah, something to keep an eye on. I think the problem with COVID is people have gotten quite used to the idea that and you're even even if you have pretty big numbers we call it the desensitised to the idea that this is a is a bad thing. So the health professional, the public health professional who understands that numbers like 5% capacity or 2% capacity left Whatever it is, and sees it as a dangerous thing is quite alone in that, as they, you know, you only realise its problem with COVID. If you have bad COVID and knee treatment, then then you realise that there's something there, right? For the rest of the world, it seems to be like, Oh, I've had COVID It's a mild COVID I survived this. It's just a bad flu. What's the big deal? So you know, and the, the problem that we face as a as a, I think, as a planet right now is, so many people have had the less serious COVID infection, that they really think that there is too much being made about the whole thing. And, and so in China, for instance, what you see right now the current situation is that they feel as bad as they do. China's going up to a very interesting thing is in the sense that I think they, the authorities are trying to do the thing that everybody else couldn't do, which is to try and keep China COVID Free in terms of having a population that was largely untouched by the disease. And you know, in terms of things like like lung COVID, and stuff like that, I think there's some, there's some wisdom that they have to that idea. But it's just an impractical idea to get people to the shut themselves up and lock themselves up and prevent the spread of a disease. Yeah, you know, they're expecting a million deaths in China. So that's something to keep an eye on. So then the coming weeks, I think it's going to get pretty grim over there. So moving on to a little bit of celebrity news. Of course, this time last year was all about Jacque KOVITCH and the Melbourne open. And to this day, it still creates division in social media commentary, people who are for him and against him, it's really quite startling. And of course, we're not going to spend a lot of time on the celebrity gossip, because it gets far too much of people's mind attention. But we of course, had the the slap with Will Smith, and he's only recently coming out again, Harry and Megan, of course, are constantly in the news. And another divisive issue. If you hate them, you hate them. If you love them, you love them. And there is no in between. We had Joe Rogan versus Spotify, which of course, was a big saga of the year, Johnny Depp and the ham Amber Heard trial. And of course, we had ye having a bipolar meltdown, by all accounts, like just doing his thing. It's kind of crazy. Any other big celebrity stuff you guys kind of paid attention to? Well, we're just looking at what happened parallel to the crypto world, which we'll get to in a while is celebrities got caught up in what happened in crypto because many of them were involved in the endorsement of crypto and crypto companies. And, of course, you know, being the most litigious society in the world, the Americans have decided or that the lawyers have come up and convinced people to get together and Sue celebrities for endorsing crypto, you know, yeah. So shark was mentioned today. Right? So I mean, of course, the other big celebrity in the news this year, who has been omnipresent, is musk. And even like, just today, there's like five different stories breaking out about him. He's banning journalists, he's doing all sorts of nonsense. And it's actually rare for me to open up an article that's on him now, because I'm just so done with him. And again, another divisive character, and you either love him or you despise him, you know, and there's no in between. And if you actually attack mask on Twitter, he's, he's fans come after you. So that's been a really fascinating thing. I mean, you guys done with Musk as well. You know, it's just amazing how, you know, people are obsessed with personal brands over corporate brands. And that really shows you me, I invest it, you know, it does a little bit in Tesla. But it's amazing how the world is crazy for you know, antics, you know, that's what he really does really, really well to kind of move the market. So sometimes it takes a lot of willpower just to say, hey, let's just take a pause and let's look at other things. Yeah, rather than respond and react so powerful. Yeah. I mean, I never really paid too much attention to him. Because, you know, he's, he's just one of those people that just is a bit of an odd duck for me. But I mean, I find that lots of people who are geniuses and, you know, really out there if sometimes they are a little bit like that, and that's okay. I think where I started really paying attention was this whole Twitter thing. And you know, the buy it, the not buy it, and then buy it, and then this whole thing, I mean, you know, based on the media reports, that sacking of 75% of the stuff now I knew, I know, Twitter was in trouble and, you know, they needed to do some, you know, calming down and carving up and stuff like that, but just by what the media is showing and saying, you know, I was really distressed that you know, someone like that could come in and, and you know, be so not empathetic, and you know, to you know, create so much of disruption, and especially around the whole thing around the messaging so All right, so, so he's doesn't impact me personally, but he I just find him. Yeah. I'm so fed up. I'm not really looking at too much news there. I saw an interview with his mom and his mom said the, the message that she raised him with her other children was do no evil. And I know I'm kind of wondering, does she does she still, you know, feel that she's achieved that from an environment, there's lots of environment stuff, but to two big announcements in January last year, we passed the fifth of nine planetary boundaries. And then in April, we pass the sixth, this is not good news. So we've only got three more to pass. And I think some of them are really close. And some of them are actually probably already passed, but they just don't have the data yet. But the big, sombre moment of the year, Joe was Well, for me. No, Russia, invading Ukraine. Oh, man, I tell you what, when I when I when I when I when I got ready for the show. The first thing I went was like, I thought I had the same kind of feeling you had about the Iran Iraq war has been going on for a long time and all that kind of stuff. I just had the feeling that this had been going for so long, that I realised that it hadn't happened a year ago, the war hadn't happened yet. It all happened in 2022. And a very interesting way it unfolded as well, in terms of how, you know, you know, there's always military intelligence about different things going on. And what America did was was was unprecedented, as they announced, it said, Well, guys, they're preparing to invade the cable to give all the information to the air out of the room. And it it just progress. It's such an amazing pace. And it did have a big impact on the world, not just in terms of politics, but also in terms of the the economics of the world as well. This is the one of the the biggest economic engines to affect us that we don't realise most times in terms of wheat in terms of energy. I honestly never thought much about Ukraine, they were always the biggest thing for me before was do you say the Ukraine or Ukraine? But now it's like, wow, it's such a critical point. And of course, it gave rise to one of the greatest folk heroes of our time. Solinsky. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I just read as Alinsky is now times, President time's Person of the Year. And he follows I think Musk was time president of the year last year. But I think, actually, it should really be the Erie Ukrainian people, that should be the times people of the year because they have really just risen up and showed such tremendous strength in face of the whole Russian artillery. But the thing is that the war is still unfolding. And definitely, things don't look really good on their side in the longer term. So it's really it brings into conversation, you know, how, what is the world going to do in support, and knowing that this has also been a very big distraction from all our climate action efforts. So you can see human beings literally self destruct, because war has been going on? I mean, human beings are have a proclivity for war. That's, you know, in some parts of the world war is happening. So how do we then I just want to draw attention also, and remind everyone of all the different countries that opened their doors, so warmly and generously, and, you know, brought people in, I mean, I also know people in Poland right now who are doing things, you know, to help those that, you know, who have moved in from Ukraine. And, you know, the Ukrainian people themselves are so conscious of the fact that they don't want to be freeloaders. They don't want to be, you know, staying overstaying their welcome. And do you know, they're all, you know, working silently, quietly with the people in Poland and UK and lots of other countries? So I think I think that's the other part that the other story as well, you know, that that happened during that time, ya know, so it's definitely a nice story, although, the other side of the story is, of course, that, obviously, refugees has sort of living in freezing camps, you know, the Syrian refugees, and they've been there for 13 years in these camps and these Arctic freezes coming through and, you know, 50% of these people are children, you know, and that just breaks my heart. But, you know, the other thing for me was the, the war, it was like the mental health of the world is at an all time low in our lifetimes, right? And I think it's just really sort of, you know, it's sort of added to that. Some other things. So, when the war broke out, it sort of consumed everyone's attention, but at the same time, the war broke out, there was a record heat wave in both the Arctic and Antarctica that were 30 and 40 degrees above normal. Oh, that one's coming into it. Some of the other one was going into its winter on the same day in February. And it was described as as far as climate change goes, this is nuclear, like so it's and to this day, I've never seen an explanation of why that matters. But of course, since then, you know, so much else has happened and also to PC to IPCC reports came out. And the media coverage was very, very limited then. And even to this day, the way the media is covering the climate emergency, it's just nowhere near what it needs to be. And they're still sowing doubt. There's still, you know, you know, it's still politicised. It's just like, Come on, guys. Look, the year we've had, it's time to wake up. But you know, the media, the media hasn't had a good year either. Right, Joe? Well, media, I mean, in terms of, first of all, losing a whole bunch of credibility is one thing, but I think you're referring to the number of deaths amongst the journalists, journalists killed this year, has jumped up by 45%. It's 219. This year, and the Tensions have risen a lot as well. And and this is concerning, because, you know, if you think about what what journalists are supposed to do, they're there to help us know what really happened. And you have to think about who is trying to stop us from finding out why it really happened and what really happened and why they want to stop that. One of the interesting stats as well as been that three journalists have died under mysterious circumstances in Qatar, which is currently hosting the, the somewhat controversial, welcome. Yes, somewhat, somewhat up inclined. Not to go and attend. So as a family, that was a decision we made, it's a very, I say, somewhat controversial, because that's why Why the World Cup and sports are so valuable, because it is so powerful as a way of of whitewashing, and putting things aside and people forget about things. Because I think it is not front and centre, I mean, you know, there's a lot of stuff that's happened now limited to the sheer number of, of foreign workers that have died in trying to in the setting up of the World Cup, like the stories about journalists and all that all of that really honestly does fade into the background when you're watching the World Cup, and you immune to participating in it. It's not front and centre. So it's, it's a, it's a real strong reason, the motive for the kind of corruption that you've probably heard about and why people invested so much in, you know, just getting the the World Cup or with the Qatar. It's, it's that to me, it's a it's a strange little thing that I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like the world's version of smoking, you know, it's not good for us, but somehow we do it. I think that the key thing is how not to like, you know, destroy, I mean, like to eliminate the workout because, of course, there are benefits, and I feel your job. I mean, there are ways to kind of put balls aside and get to know people as human beings, you know, so I think things like World Cup, the Olympics, I mean, they helped to bring all countries together and without leaving, leaving politics and religion aside, I think, I think it's quite interesting to see how can we then evolve the World Cup and have these conversations along with it, you know, even have like, joint World Cups. You don't even need to have one country to singly host a World Cup or the Olympics. And I believe is it the next World Cup The next Olympic there are some countries that are banding together? Is it Canada is going to be North America? I mean, Canada, North America and Mexico. I love that should be the way because you don't you, Asia, Japan and South Korea did it? Yeah. So yeah, I think that's a great idea. Yeah. Great. We're thinking. Yeah, so I'm getting into into the climate because obviously climate has been the biggest news story for me this year. And I wish it was the biggest news story for everybody. But I think people are still turning away from it, because it scares the life out of people. And quite rightly. So. You know, we've seen the floods in Australia has absolutely been hammered like three, four times, you know, massive flooding events. It doesn't but it's obviously not just there. We've said in them in South Africa. We are right. We had them in Phuket here in October. It's really kind of when you're in an in an extreme weather event. It's quite unsettling. You know, it really is. And I think you know, in Singapore, I think you're quite protected from them. I think Malaysia, you've definitely seen more flooding as well. We saw the droughts occur, of course across Europe, the West in 500 years in the US the West in 1200 years and in Africa. I mean, it's in terrible stuff going on. But in China the 70 day drought which completely lost It physically buckled to supply chain in China and really destroyed the industry rain bombs regularly in the news now these enormous dumps of rain in one spot, and they're not going out where they should be going out to make sure that the crops, so a lot of crop failures. So the potential for global famine is really, really high now. And we're going to see that building in the next coming years. So, you know, we've been stocking up on certain things that I know have, have suffered in the droughts. You know, we've seen famine, it's already started in the Horn of Africa, there's some really sad news coming out of Somalia right now. Eco anxiety, I knew it was going to be on the rise this year. I think it even it's even surprised me. And it's really people expressing their anxiety in public forums for the first time. Because when you do face it, you it's impossible not to go into eco anxiety. When you realise how bad it is. Macron announced the end of abundance, and he's absolutely 100% Correct. And if we don't get that message, we were just, it's just gonna get worse in Pakistan, the greatest body of water ever released from a glacial lake mount melts, and there's 33 Other glacial lakes that are at risk. You know, the adaptations that where we're just nowhere near where we need to be like, I think Singapore is probably one of the countries that has prepared as much as it can. But even the recent news reports coming out of Singapore, they're starting to understand that they're not ready, like southeast coast of Singapore is at risk of the sea level rise. But we still jumped into Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Singles Day with gusto and had record sales, because we're obviously not getting the message. You know, we're going to be moving into an El Nino by 2024. And we're supposed to see 1.5 For the first time in Australia, that will be 1.97. Because Australia is currently at 1.47 global warming. So we've got some big stuff coming down. We had two cops now progress, businesses are starting to transform just today, HSBC announced they will not fund any more new fossil fuel projects, which is great news. But you know, it's got to speed up protesters around the world are being jailed. And it's the young people who are terrified for their future being put in jail for longer than murderers and rapists, murderers and rapists. Yeah, the fossil fuel industry keeps on building and just today there's this report, it hasn't been verified yet. But a bunch of scientists have come together saying that we're actually on track for between four and 10 degrees global warming now eight degrees, basically, cockroaches can survive. So yeah, from from an environment perspective, I, I really tried to work hard this year to work out how to communicate, communicate this because we can't keep ignoring it. We're seeing it now we're seeing it in real life, it's only going to get worse. And the sooner we act, the sooner we can reduce the consequences in the future. But it's it is going to continue to get worse for a long time to come. So I'm not feeling too hopeful for 2023. That's the first time in my life, I haven't felt that sense of optimism going into a new year. So I mean, what do you guys, what's sort of been grabbing your attention from a climate perspective? No, I think I think it's really, you know, a change management perspective, as well, because we work with a lot of companies on you know, how to thrive on change. And I think when there is eco anxiety, is because of four things, you know, like people need to be helped to see the value of change, they need to be helped to see the risks of not changing, it's not me going to denial. And I think that's the number three comes in, I think people need to feel that you we call it stubborn optimism as the author of the future we choose, you know, calls it, but people need to feel that they can make a difference. So I think messaging that there are positive stories, that there are things that we can do to give them the confidence and clarity to take action. I think that's a number three that we need to actually flood the market with. And then number four, then people need to be supported, that they're not alone, that there is a community that we can get together and really go to it's a state of renewal. So I think it's not even just looking at climate as a separate conversation. Because, you know, in the end, there is no planet, there is no conversation, there was no life, we only have one Senate. Right. But I think it's about thinking how can we then start bringing all these you know, climate action into our daily conversations, and knowing that we all can make a difference. Yeah, I love I love your four steps that you just mentioned, Karen. I just can't help thinking that, you know, because on a personal level, right, for a lot of us, I feel that you're Step number two, which was you know, not really understanding the consequences. I think that I feel is not done enough. And so we don't realise the cost. We're, you know, it's not really being drummed in at every level. All right, it's not just us as adults, but you know, us as parents as as teachers as as you know. So you know, even getting, I know that my nieces and nephews, for example, who are visiting from Australia, they are super conscious about it. So it's something is being done right over there, in terms of the way things are being communicated, or how they're being taught. But in Australia, it's, it's, it's in their face. Yeah, they're on fire. It's underwater, right now. Because when I compare that to my son, who's 16 years old, in Singapore, you know, you know, he's, he doesn't have a grasp of any of that, you know, because there's other stuff to be worried about. You know, there's other things it's occupying the mind. So, you know, and I'm just, I look to you, Andrea, and I'm just thinking, you know, what, what do we do? How do we, you know, you know, increase that sense of urgency? Almost? I don't know. Well, that's all I've been trying to do for a long time. Right. And it's, it's the big question, and I'm listening to some of the, you know, the top climate scientists and the top commentators like George mom, Bo, right, and they're, they don't, they don't know how to get the message across any clearer because I mean, you know, the message is being shared, it's just not being heard. So there's this, there's this distance between that in, it's a really difficult one, because it literally is people putting fingers in their ears because I don't want to I don't want to know, everyone, I friend of mine just recently set up, I frightened the life out of her recently, and she was depressed for three days, I'm like, ya know, I've been depressed all year, you know, you know, we've what's going on, I get the depression of this, of this situation, you know, it's really scary to face and, and I think the only solution here is, find someone that you believe in, you know, who's sharing the, the message. And if you're not willing to listen to the message, at least listen to the advice or the actions you should take, you know, if you don't want to confront it, because when you start digging into all of the different variables around the planetary crisis, because it's not just climate change, that's just one pillar, right? When you start looking into all of the different aspects of it, you're like, Oh, my God, how can we ever, ever overcome this? You know, it's just so big, you know, but we can, you know, and, you know, the hope is still there. It's going away quickly, though. Because the longer we wait, the worse it gets, you know, and, and that's why we need to act, right. It's like what we do now, if we want to wait for another year, before we've got the guts to face up to it, then we've got another year's worse. events happening, right. So every, every moment that we delay sort of makes it worse, and I don't think people are really sort of switched on to the complexity of how it's going to impact our businesses, how it's going to impact jobs, I mean, how many people are working in companies in industries that are irrelevant, and that cannot be, cannot be part of our future. You know, I always use the Christmas decoration factories in China, there's, you know, 1000s and 1000s of people employed in these factories, and we buy all this crap. And so that every year, we have a new Christmas thing, theme colour, you know, and then we just throw the throw the waste out, and then next year, we buy it again. And it's a small example. But it's a real example. You know, by once the Christmas decorations, that's it for the rest of your life. Right. But those factories are going to have to close down. But we have to get the message, you know, and you know, and I don't think people really do understand the, the mean, just the stock market, you know, what may impact on the stock market, we've really got to start thinking about that, you know, Joe, did you have any more thoughts on that? Well, the thing about climate and communication about the climate is that, you know, it's like trying to talk to a young person about retirement, you know, it's not something that you're going to really feel right there. And then you can always agree with it, you can kind of figure out the idea. Everyone knows about compound interest. I learned about it a long time ago in my in my Commerce class. But suddenly, when I got to a more critical stage, when I felt like, okay, that that really makes a difference right now, and I wish I did something about that. And still, it took a long time before I did anything about that. So I'm just, you know, I guess egoistically, extending myself to the rest of the world here in terms of what it must be like to face the climate crisis, like, it's far away, you know, and I can't really control this, it's like sitting in the back of a bus saying, okay, stare left here, right? You know, you you do realise that there is a problem, you do realise that there's certain things that need to be done, and then you realise as well simultaneously, that the little that you do at the back isn't really going to make that much of a difference. It's very hard to have faith in that. So we go into the other mode, I think, which is just to give up, it's a it's a it's a human reflex to go. I mean, look, we've all been there before, right? If you if you you haven't prepared for the exam, and it's really very close. You don't have much time and you just gotta, you know, I'm just gonna have a good time anyway, before I do this, right. So We have to, we have to kind of watch for that. Because the the the, what is missing is the faith that something can be done and needs to be done. I mean, the, what I know is going to happen is it's going to be some major disaster where it has to get to a point where we just irrefutably go like, Okay, this is the face of it. And I know that you're looking at stuff that happens. And that's all that's all there surely, right? It is about the way the world has changed his attitudes on on the, for instance, about being gay, right? It's because you're in your family, someone you know, somebody closer to you has been affected by some of these discriminations, and what have you and all that you've and you like them, and you begin to feel for them, that you begin to do something about this. And what's going to happen is like, like a 911 sort of thing is some kind of major catastrophe is going to happen, where it affects people in a very severe way. Before we suddenly wake up, because right now, it still is somebody else's situation, even though we sit here now, with you, you know, Andrea, having been through the floods in Thailand, you know, Regina, you've got your cousins in Australia, I've got family in Australia as well. But it's all still not here. It's not what's happening. And the worst thing is really seriously that all of us down in the tropics, right now we do have the best situation, in the sense that the weather extremes are not that bit crazy, because, you know, he talked about why, why is this highest high and lowest low is so important. And why is that nuclear is because it's the tension release, releasing, when you go from one end to the other. That's where all that big stuff happens. And where we're at that stage right now. But there's enough there's enough of it not happening right now, right here, you know, it's the stuff that keeps people living in Tornado Alley is in the US, right? You have this place, which is in trouble, it's a bad place to set up a home. But the thing that's bad that happens happens. Rarely enough for you to go like the rest of this time is pretty, okay. I mean, I've, I've been to Australia, and I go outside and I get I feel the heat all over me when I when I'm in the sun, I think this is too much heat. And I don't know why people keep wanting to go there. I mean, it's just just a personal perspective, right? But kindly read this thing. We we want to try and adapt, we want to make this work, we will we will stretch it out. I think if we if we could figure out something and go like if everybody could have a really honest survey and say like, do you want to be where you are? Would you be somebody? Would you want to be somewhere else? We might find out that, okay, there's a bunch of people really concerned about things. And I think people don't people don't want to be the only one who's really concerned. So you, you can have some kind of sense of something big needs to be done. But unless the person next to you sort of says the same thing, you're just gonna keep it to yourself. So there's one thing, sorry, I just want to say there's one thing, I've got a, I've got to pull everyone up on, right, this idea that it's in the future. And to me, it's one of the media's biggest failures. There's still saying 2050 21 100, right, the climate, emergency climate breakdown is now it's already begun. And it's going to be progressively worse. And you know, like in Singapore, I know, you're very protected from it, right. But you know, that big typhoon sort of land, the biggest the biggest typhoon that's ever hit in Japan and the Philippines, just the other week, I saw an article that India has already moved into too hot to leave territory, so 80% of the population has an air conditioner, you think of the amount of deaths that we're going to start to see just people just dropping dead from the wet bulb temperatures just being too hard to survive, right? It's already begun. But we choosing not to see it. And, and I and I think it's overwhelm. I think it's like what, what can I do, but like the reality is, I always say we need a billion people changing imperfectly, you know, stopping me, you know, get rid of your cars, if you don't need a car, don't have a car, if you live in a place with proper public transport, use it. Go vegan, go vegetarian, reduce your meat by 75%, you know, by five items of clothing, you know, and we need a billion people doing that. And that adds up and we just need to be one of those billion and we need to step into it. And just encourage everyone that we know to come and join us, right? And over time, you know, that that's going to really make a massive difference, because, you know, energy is is going up, you know, like, you know, fossil fuel use is going up, but renewables is actually like, well, it's increasing. It's just on top of an increase in fossil fuels. So we're just literally going in the wrong direction currently. Now we definitely need to start reducing fossil fuel subsidies. There are so many things think he would have done at the government level. I think I love what Joe talks about, you know, empathy. You know, I think we need to do what really, really hardens me about the fact is, you know, the 3.3 point five rule that, you know, history tells us that when there is 3.5% of the population, who participates in non violent, peaceful demonstrations, success is inevitable. So the thing like Gandhi assault March, the end of the apartheid, Martin Luther King, the thing is that, you know, it's only 3.5%. And so you don't need everybody. If you are passionate and care about the climate as much, let's say, Andrea Edwards, you know, we've come around you. And if we do the same thing, the thing is, it's easy to find that tipping point. So we don't need to change everybody. Like in Singapore, we just need 150,000 people who care to just even enact change in the government, because we only about 5 million. So let's just focus on again, our circle of influence. And that will be that will be enough to start with, yeah. Yeah. Can I just go back to Andrews point as well, it's about all of us having these little micro habits that just add up? Right, whether it's habits around the consumption of goods, or whether it's about being more veggies, you know, cutting out the meat, you know, it's just about creating those those habits, you know, at a family level, individual level, family level? And, you know, that's how you have that knock on effect. Again. Yeah, I was gonna say about the the levers of control, right? I mean, if you look at COVID, as, as an example, it really comes down to finding a way to influence at the highest level, because you I mean, it takes even less number of people to steer us in the right direction, just need to all do it at the same time. I mean, cop 28 Isn't that's coming up next, it should be on Zoom. I mean, that's the problem is when a whole bunch will all gather in one place. And we all flew there to try and solve climate crisis. Whatever you say, coming out of that doesn't look good. I mean, they meet you make all kinds of justifications, it may make sense, because that's the most efficient way all the different things you can say, but it just has a bad taste to it, you know, and it's it makes it difficult for people. The one of the fundamental things that drive us drives human behaviour is a sense of unfairness. And if you say to me that, you know, we have to solve this problem, you go ahead and do it. That's, that's not, that's not the way you know, we feel it's going to happen. So you know, as long as the the rich and powerful, don't do something spectacularly different. That's also going to affect the rest of the of the world. I mean, you can't tell someone that your job and your lifestyle is completely at risk. You have to change. In the meantime, I'm going to have my lifestyle pretty much as it is, you know, it's it's a tough one. I mean, that's, that's the big thing that we all have to do. And we all have to get together the way some governments have and all into the equivalent of all of us going going to have a vaccination, for instance. I mean, don't don't don't say vaccination. I'm sorry. Live a protest. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I do think the in person requirement of COP, it's about the negotiation face to face negotiations. So at least everyone fly in economy, rather than all the private jets. Right, you know, but Joe, it's a it's been quite a year in the old crypto, global finance. Yeah. Well, Bitcoin, all of it. Let's, let's just ask a different a different question. When Has it not been an interesting year in crypto, crypto began, right? It's always been because it goes up and down and all that crypto is basically your markets, your other markets on steroids, it goes the changes up and down. pretty extreme. But when we if I were to just take you take you back in and take a few steps back and say okay, well let's compare the story of Apple over the years as well and compress that time together. You pretty much you pretty much have the story of crypto as well as you know the big bullish run in terms of the faith and and then you have macro things that cause the share prices of the market in general to drop and what have you. I will say that fundamentally, I think crypto is a great idea. Just as the way any number of things could have been a great idea in the past it doesn't mean that every single great idea is going to get to its its end conclusion or or deserved and but I do believe strongly that crypto is going to be around for a long time. And the problem with crypto is the human beings that are involved in the market. It is something that is like any other market really that is manipulated and because because of the influence that a small number of individuals can have on the large market, it does throw everything up and down. FTX, of course, is the big one that everyone's still thinking about and reeling from. It's been arrested right. Now he was arrested this week in the Bahamas. And so I think all that was, was in the making as well, because people had seen his girlfriend, and CEO, girlfriend and see oh, I think walking freely and having conversations in coffee in New York, so people kind of figured out that she's must be, must be helping in the in the investigations. But FTX is a good example of how there was enough faith in the market in this idea of crypto that the rest of real money or, or legitimate investors got behind it and said, We want to make this work. And sex was selling the right story. And honestly, you know, I mean, the word honestly, is a weird word in the middle of all this, but had things gone the right way. This wouldn't be a story, it was because things didn't go the right way. Because Alameda which is the associated company was doing investments. And using using funds that were actually put into the into the exchange to do investments and they lost on those bets, that we hear all the stories right now, have they not lost in the bits, it might have been a much different Christmas for crypto, but it happened to be that the phrases ship coins, right, they did a lot of speculating on what they call cheap coins, basically, that those would be those, those coins with a very little reason for for inherent value. And there's a lot of volatility goes up and down, it can go against you. And the worst thing about the whole thing was when you when you watch the interviews with all with all the people who were behind FTX, I had never gone further than just watching what the boss looked like. And then what he sounded like, the rest of the team was just an unbelievably crazy team, then they, you know, it's they don't seem smarter than my kids. And, you know, I mean, you know, with due respect to my kids, but you know, these are people supposed to be in charge of a big financial institution. They just weren't qualified for that. And this this famous CEO, was talking about how she didn't really have a good grasp of simple math. Wow. Yeah. On the other side, the global economy, right. So I'm still reading headlines is Britain in a recession. I'm like, I honestly like you, like, if we don't get the connection between what's going on in the climate and the global economy, and the fact that it's having a massive impact in the media is doesn't seem to be wanting to share that story that we're I think 2023, from a financial perspective, is gonna be a lot crazier than this year. I mean, do you guys have an impression? And all I know is that in the UK, there's been a lot of things going on. Lots of losses and gains. I mean, obviously, you had the, you know, the death of a Monique, who'd been around for, you know, for so many years was, you know, you almost, you almost stopped believing that, I mean, you almost believe that she was just going to go on forever, right? I mean, it shouldn't have been a shock, but yet at the same time, it was, you know, and then you had two premiers in the space of three months. You know, and the, you know, having the first non white Prime Minister in the UK, there's lots of things going on to the UK. But yeah, vote again, I've got lots of family living there. And they don't feel it at the moment. But the news and the noise is that, you know, yes, there is, you know, they are very much in recession, although things are going up in prices, and it's the most most of the attention actually is in the healthcare because they seem to be you know, having an onslaught of cases as you're talking about, you know, cases are just racing and they are really reeling from from the numbers in any insight for them. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, UK. Just this year, let's move into the politics section. It's just it's like wow, right. You know, it's like wow, how can how can this happen? I don't know. I'm starting to hear more of the Brexit conversation coming up again. Again for for change, like the percentage of support to move back into the EU has gone up significantly, like well over six 2% And then you seeing other reports where it's like 52% 53%. So yeah, I think, yeah, the UK is going to be in an interesting place for at least, you know, another 12 months. And, you know, I just think of the poor people there who are choosing between heating and food. At the moment, you know, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty tough for, for a large percentage of the population, like more than 60% of the British population is economically impacted by what's going on. And that's, that's unusual for the UK. So, but earlier in the year, of course, to the Australian elections, where Scott Morrison was finally booted out, and all the stuff that's happened since Yeah. Yeah, and that was, to me was a really interesting one, because it was also it was also a kick in the ass for Rupert Murdoch. And we saw just recently at the Victorian state elections, where the metal press went relentlessly after after the Labour Party. And the Victorians ignored what he said, because, you know, metal has got more than 70% of the papers, and the media in Australia, right? So maybe his hold is not so strong anymore, especially in Australia, I'd like to see that in America. In the Philippines, we saw Marcos come back into power, which to me was, I couldn't believe it. Surprising. So interesting, interestingly. So I, you know, obviously have some friends who are much younger from the Philippines. And it was very interesting to hear that they felt that all the news, I mean, when I asked about the Marcos thing, and I said, you know, you know, how do you feel now that I'm in about another Marcus coming in? So for a lot of them, they felt that the old news about the former Marcos was fake news that was interested with me. And I was like, Really, I said, I come from a different generation. And I lived through that. And so you felt you feel it's fake news, you know, so it's interesting. Wow. We're so sorry, Karen. Did you were you gonna say something? No, I just say that, you know, with all these crisis's that are happening on the climate front, inflation, runaway inflation and recession, there is also the people also may move towards strongman politics. So that's also the danger there, where it's more about protecting the country against immigration, people who could spin a positive spin on everything that's happening and blame somebody else. I think that's, you know, with Marcos back in power, it's, you know, moving back towards a strawman politics with, with, you know, Joe Biden just almost winning just by whisker. And we had Trump for the last two, for the last eight years. So the world needs to pay attention to that. So we need more conversation, we need a war against fake news. Yes. Bring up what happened in my country. So you know, you all know, I live in Singapore, and that's where my home is. But, you know, originally I'm Malaysians is where my mom is. And I had to come back here to vote in our elections. And what was so interesting here was that we didn't have any party really getting a majority. But although clearly, there was one party that got the majority of the people's votes, right. And so, to cut a long story short, what I loved about our story here is that we have what we call a constitutional monarch, who then you know, basically met with all the party leaders, try to have a, you know, discussion and get everyone to collaborate with each other. Things didn't quite work out the way that the king wanted it to happen. So then he says, you know, he tells the people to be calm and be patient. And he goes and consults all the consultants in Malaysia, because that's how it works, right? In Malaysia, our King changes every five years, and all the different states take turns to be the ruler, the king. And so he had a consultative conversation with all the rules with all the rulers of the other states, to then come to a decision as to what to do. And, you know, we had, so we had parties that were, you know, up in arms and, you know, shouting a lot. And then we had the group that that that was the majority holder that was just kept calm. No, you know, I mean, from the people's point of view, we were really afraid that corruption would come into place, again, everything that we hoped for would be lost, you know, again, but we just kept quiet kept patient, allow the process to go through, there was lots of consultations, and we came through a really peaceful outcome. And those that was had the majority votes became the Prime Minister. That time lucky It's, it's so interesting. It's such a it's so it's so different to me the Malaysian sort of electoral sort of process. And I found it really fascinating. And it's really interesting to hear what you said and Bhavani was on recently and just hit hearing her view as well. Because I think the good news election stories are really important. So obviously, the other one of those this year was Lula being elected in Brazil. But one of the things that I don't know if everyone's paying attention to there's an evangelical movement that's obviously been in place for a very, very, very long time to get in control of Parliament. So Lula only won by a whisker. And the reason is because the Evangelicals voted for Bolsonaro. And you kind of think, How could any Brazilian vote for somebody who is leading the destruction of, of the Amazon, which is like the great treasure for the Brazilians as well. So it's really like in Australia, even in the Victorian elections, there was a real push from with the evangelicals. And I always say nobody in politics should believe in end of times, because if you're in politics, and you believe in the end of times, you're going to push towards the end of times, right? You're not going to you're not going to tackle the issues that need to be tackled. So. But yeah, religion in the fall in the fall, right? The evangelicals in the fall, right. It's, it's, it's, they're playing a very dangerous game, and they've been playing it for a long time. And I don't think we've really paid attention to it until this year. And we've we do need to pay attention to it. But you mentioned the US. And then, of course, in Iran, we've got the protests in Iran that just you know, like, who knows what the outcome will be? I read something quite deep on it the other day, and what because of the way arounds been run for such a long time, there is no opposition. So even if the protesters are successful, they're actually thinking that we're going to see his failed state in Iran, which obviously would have devastating consequences. Anything else globally politic politically, that sort of goes, if you talk about Iran, I think it mirrors what's happening in Afghanistan as well, because I've been doing, you know, our company has been doing work in Afghanistan for the last four years. And this year, I also supported the PSA Afghanistan. They have their, you know, international submit all virtually. And I think that the world might need to just look at how we're using sanctions, you know, in Iran, in Afghanistan, which the economies are decimated. So if you look at Afghanistan, you have millions of children, I mean, 10, millions of children who are going hungry, there is going to be a massive famine that's happening soon, people can't find work. So I think what's happening is that the Taliban is not going to change, the West is not going to change his stance with with regards to sanctions. So they're just relying on humanitarian aid just to keep people alive. So I really think maybe the Western world needs to think about how can we actually have a more balanced approach? Not? Are we just punishing, for example, the government or Taliban? Or are we really just punishing the local population? So I think that's the conversation that we need to have. How do we start restoring the community, the economy in a more balanced way? And the media silence, especially in Afghanistan this year, you know, it's like, when US left the media left to and that, yeah, the amount of suffering that's happening, you know, famine, drought, war, violence, oppression, like all of it, right? And it's just like, the world's just decided, okay, we're not interested in that any more, they can go and sort themselves out. That's almost feels like the attitude. Right. And, and it's a hard one, because you don't want to support the Taliban. who's suffering? Right? They're fine. They get to do what they want to do. Yeah. Well, it's I mean, you talked about earlier about, we talked about journalists and the media. And, you know, the, the blame is often put on the media for not covering not doing this, whatever it is. These are human beings to have fear for their life. Right. I mean, that it was, it's a difficult situation. I mean, like, you don't get the day you get the assignment for Afghanistan is not regarded as a good day. I mean, I think, for the journalists, your mom's not going to be happy that you're going there. There's a whole bunch of people and when you arrive, that you're not probably going to say I'm so and so I'm with the press, you probably would have to live in secret and kind of be a spy. So that the the idea that it's not the fairest thing to say that media has that responsibility of going into those dark places where you have to really conduct it's almost cross border espionage to report what's happening. It's not as easy. It's not an easy thing to solve. And I was just thinking about how and with regards to politics, for instance, as well, that there's a there's a there's an issue that we have with the right Long party winning. And at the same time, we kind of have the idea that democracy is important. We need to honour democracy in the sense that if the democratic process provides you with a, with a result that you don't like, which seems unreasonable that we also kind of go along with that. I mean, that's, that's part of the problem that we have right now is like, we say that elections are important, we say the results are important. But when the election dust has settled, we don't settle. We continue to be at odds. And we don't try to get together and say, Okay, how do we move forward and try and do something with this? There's a communication ultimately is the whole thing it is the it is the market of ideas. Good ideas have to be sold along with bad ideas. And the skill required to make a good idea, which usually is not as easy to do as a bad idea. That's that's the thing. That's the thing that we went with was sadly lacking, I think in many places. Yeah. Although I wouldn't say elections happened in Afghanistan. Well. So maybe, maybe journalism, journalism should be a public good now. I mean, I'm just wondering, I mean, because you see a lot of a lot of media outlets, you know, they're not really surviving. There's so much competition from social media, maybe governments should start to prioritise and just like how they deal with the BBC, literally start funding, funding people who become activists. You know, I just saw the UNICEF, they were featuring youth activist climate activists, reporters, young reporters on the ground, so maybe we need to start putting more money into public goods. And journalism is, yeah, nice. I like that. One of the things I always say for corporations, if you're going to, if you're going to, you know, insist on advertising, put an environmental message in the mix, you know, and pay an environmental activist to share a message that is relevant to your brand, and is linked to what you're doing. But so we can fund these people so that they can go and do their work I have so many of the people that I know, who are activists in all sorts of walks of life, the biggest challenge they've got is funding it, you know, you know, they have to earn money, they have to feed their family, they have to put the kids in school, that sort of stuff. And people people aren't, you know, I've got a friend who collects all sorts of stuff and ships around Thailand. And, you know, every time I'm, I send stuff over to him, like he takes the money for the petrol, you know, just stuff like that, right? And people aren't necessarily thinking about that. They're like, Oh, you can solve my problem. Yeah, but you've also got to help me finance solving that problem, because it takes time and effort. And it costs me not just time but money as well. Right. That brands could definitely be putting more money that way. All right, famous deaths. We've had quite a few Roshini, what's your one of the ones that you notice this year? Well, I didn't mention Queen Elizabeth the Second. I did mention that but I mean, in the world of entertainment, they've been quite a few Kirstie Alley. And Angela Lansbury. Basically, you know, it's, I have sentimental affection for things like chairs and movies, like, look who's talking and Angela Lansbury mother, she wrote, I used to watch that with my grandma. Right. So it's just, you know, so it's, and recently as well, I'm not sure if you know, who twitches new J on Ellen DeGeneres. And that was quite heartbreaking, as well. So yeah, it's quite quite a few people we've lost. who's affected you? Yeah, I think Twitter was a really big one. I think it joins the lives of celebrities that seemed to have it all. And a lot of people in our lives who put on a happy face, refocus on mental health and wellness is so important that we should be making it safe for people to push the red line out, which means that you know, make it safe for people to actually start sharing early, asking for help, especially men, you know, that, that that could be a new way, like a new social contract that we have in society that especially in the face of eco anxiety, and mental health and wellness, you know, speaking up and asking for help should be things that can be strength, not weakness. Yeah. So yeah. self inflicted wounds. Well, one of the first things I hear one of the first things I always do when I hear about a celebrity passing away is I kind of like benchmark myself and see how much time I have left. So, being optimistic I'm going to use the queen as my reference. Grandma 802 I Um, I lost her to COVID and she was 102 and I lost my granddad at 103. So long life B message definitely is invest in skincare now. Yeah, my grandma died at 104 It's amazing, right? She was almost 105 She almost made it but um, yeah, another of course, Irene Cara William Hurt that I yeah, he's one of those sort of actors that sort of prevalent if you're sort of 70s 80s kids, Sidney Poitier a obviously, you know, beautiful man and Oprah's gone and done a story on him. Rayleigh otter, I really like him in movies, you know, so, yeah, he went, and there's lots of peculiar deaths around the world you know that. You know, people are saying it's because of COVID Of course, another death is Celine Dion may never sing again. Because she's got some sort of a strange. I don't know. It's a. It's in the family of persons. Yeah. Yeah, I've never heard that before. And then one of the one final thing of course, for the year is, there is the word of the year. And I didn't have a chance to send this to you guys. But it's goblin mode. Did you have you? Did you hear that? Goblin? Okay. Goblin. Like, Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Okay, so goblin mode is a slang term describing an unapologetically self indulgent, lazy, slovenly or greedy behaviour. Now, I'm a person that spends a lot of time on social media, across a lot of different platforms, tracking the conversations that are happening around the world. When that came out, I can honestly say, I have never seen the term used anywhere. And I can't believe that I didn't see if it became a word of the year. So anyway. Word for the year as well. Depends who was writing that list of who's giving you that list? Right. I heard that the other one of the year this year was gaslighting. Right? Yeah. A lot of that going on, right? All right. What are you reading, watching, listening to what's distracting you? Who wants to go first? I mean, I'm sorry, you know, come from a football family. So it's all about the World Cup. Very heartbroken that Morocco didn't quite make it to the final, but it would have been lovely to have seen them play with so much of heart played as a team, you know. And it was such a joy watching them as well, but it's going to be an Argentina France game and greens. Owners who'd had mercy, you know, in the finals, right? Do you want to win between Argentina and? and France? Who do you think it's gonna be Argentina? What me? For me, I would love to see Messi when your true fan. For me. It's France. I've got so many French friends. I have to be loyal to them. Right. Karen, you know, I'm still in watching two shows, you know, on Netflix, and one is actually I am Georgina. So she's the wife of Ronaldo. You know, Christiana, and because of course with the World Cup, but she that whole Netflix series has opened my eyes to the world of the super wealthy, flying on private jets, and just focusing on their families, and also being in a bubble because, you know, a lot of celebrities can mingle with the crowds, but you'll look at their lifestyles. And it just shows the disparity. But I just love to watch it because it provides a real life view. I'm still watching another Netflix show that I've been watching for the last, you know, one plus year with my kids, which is old enough, it's still amazing. You know, my kids love it. So it's an institution. I mean, it's been going on for decades. I come from Japan, where kids are like two or three, four years old, they do the impossible task. And it always just remind me that, you know, our kids are actually old enough to do a lot more things like the climate activist for example, you know, my seven year old so we, we, yeah, so it's good, you know, we need to unleash those talents. No, so I've got two things happening simultaneously. I'm like Roshini, I'm following the World Cup. So I'm sleeping very, very, very late for a different reason than my trading. And in terms of the one thing that struck me about the World Cup is actually how good the quality of football is right now as in like if you didn't know which team was who and you just watch them play that the quality of play has become you universally great, you know, you weren't a crazy person to think that Morocco could win because they were that good. They, they had enough opportunities. And were unlucky enough to not at least end up with a draw at the end of full time. I mean, that, you know, that's one of those things that I that I noticed and I noticed as well be. I think one of the things that I saw was how Japan's fans actually won support for Japan the football team because they had behaved so well, that I think when they were finally played their game, the the local support was very much for Japan. Yeah, the way they clean up after themselves. It's just that the the politics of politeness, I think that like kind of one out, and I have this terrible habit. So I'll try and fill the time between things. So I had games at the same time, and I'm still trying to finish off The Mentalist I am one season away. So that's, that's my thing. Well, well, I'm probably the only person that has zero interest in soccer. So I'm sorry, football. My 14 year olds got some mates coming over on Sunday, whenever it is, to watch the final one. I think that's the only game that we basically watched in our house. But yeah, for some reason, he's, I think he, he liked the betting side of it. So I've got to make sure I educate him about the dangers of betting. But the show that I really want to recommend everyone watch, so I'm not really that interested in the royal family like other people seem to be. But the Harry and Megan special on Netflix is definitely worth watching. And the reason why I had to watch it is because the the opinions on it was so opposite, that I had to go and make up my own mind, right? And I gotta tell you, this is the biggest ribbing, the tabloids in the UK have probably ever had. And to me, that's what it's about. And you know, like people are people who hate them, what just went in giving them the time of day, right? But it's their love story. And it's, it's a genuine, beautiful love story. And we've seen what happens in the royal family when they don't respect love between two people. Right, Diana and Charles and Camilla. So it's just, it's a love story. So it sort of gives you hope. And they just seem like really nice people. And, you know, I got no issue with whatever's going on for them, you know, I don't know, but rural is a royalists. And now they'll have a different opinion. And that's fine. You know, I don't get it, but that's fine. Analyst. And I definitely watch it. So yeah, the next year, next year, we have just dropped, that it's getting some, oh, my god, the vitriol is like, wow, you know, some on YouTube, you know, it's like, but really, okay, I have to watch this. And I think you have to, you have to just watch that, if you want to see the difference in the two opinions very easily is you see if you're watching it from a perspective of a job and a role that you're supposed to play. And then you watch it from a perspective of, you know, just being people. So there's that there's the real conflict, of course, there's no one applied, they didn't apply for the job, so to speak. But that's the perspective, you know, you were in this particular role, you had all the privilege, and this is the job that went along with that. And now on the other hand is like well, but at the same time that just people deserve the right to be people as well. Yeah, one of the interesting perspectives I found was, you saw the world through Harry's eyes, as a person who grew up in that family, and the experiences for him that were just normal, right, because from the day he was born, he was in front of the cameras, and there was no respect for that. And just, you know, just you look back at some of the images of, of him as a child and what was going on, you know, remember Diana up in the snow, sort of putting a hand in front of the camera saying, please just let us have a holiday, right. And we remember all those moments, but sort of seeing it from his perspective, and his absolute obliviousness to what the real world was like, and then Megan sort of opened up that real world for him. And that was a really interesting perspective as well, because we can't ever put ourselves in their shoes. None of us can write. Yeah, because none of us can. Megan is real world light, you know, it's not the entire real world. Yeah, but you know, but even like, he's conscious bias and towards towards people of colour, that he didn't even know that he had right and then he's married into our family, which I mean, for her being of colour wasn't ever an issue until she went into the royal family. And then he saw her deal with that because because she was so pale skinned. It was never, it was never in the media until until Yeah, it's fascinating. I definitely recommend it. Alright, we've only gone over a little bit, which is good. We thought we thought it would be impossible to go through everything. So it's been a big year. And Rajini. And Karen, thank you so much for coming and joining us. And to everybody else. Yeah, but to everybody else who's accepted our invitation to be part of the show, Joe and Tim, you know, love working with you guys. And we'll be back sometime in the new year. Right? Do we will definitely, I say this every now and then I think it's not said often enough. But you know, you deserve the credit for keeping this going and keeping it alive. Not only, of course, this particular show, but also, of course, the, you know, that the other stuff that you put out as well, that the list by the way, just keep subscribed to it, this is Andrea Edwards, the weekly list of all the articles that are important, and you don't even have to read all the articles just read the headlines, and you become, I think, a better informed and better concerned person about the world. So you know, you're just someone who has the concern has the belief, and then you find the time and the energy to do it, despite everything else that I know you're trying to do as well. So the show would definitely be without, it wouldn't go on without what you do. So, you know, thank you very much for doing this. Thanks. So, you know, it's a labour of love all of it. But I've worked out my bit my role in this fight that we're all in. So I just want to encourage everyone to find your role and get get going, you know, whatever, I'm gonna read label this for you. This is this is Andrea's label of anxiety, it's what she's doing, because she cannot not do this. So you know, everybody else who wants to learn better ways to look at things and have better conversations and more effective conversations, tell your friends about the show. It is a very small audience that tends to be growing bit by bit. But if you tell your friends about this, and bit by bit, it becomes easier because the people who are hopefully as we think of it, and on the right side of history shall prevail. Yeah, just just one thing, as we go into the new year, I just really want to encourage everyone to slow down on your opinions around the news. So going back through the the the, like jurkovich, Will Smith, that the reactions were instant, all right. So Will Smith, for me was a classic, and not one of us could have understood where he was in his mind at that moment in time, or the pressure of that experience. None of us could have understood anything about that. But we were very quick to jump in and have an opinion. And I always find that the big news cycles, if you can just sort of step back even for a week and just listen to all the different points of view that are coming in. You can, you can become a more much more informed person, rather than just being quick. So that's the one thing I'd like to say in 2023, which is slow down with the news. And, you know, there's so much of it coming at us all the time, but we're rushing with it with the news. And I think that's part of the problem. So that's one thing I'd say for 2023. Any final tips for 2023 for everyone. For those of you who are in any doubt at all that the world is in recession, stop, we're there. Take take the right actions to to to protect yourself into and to gird yourself for what's coming up. It's it's not as bad as it can be. And it's not as good as it might be as well. It's always something somewhere somewhere in between. It's where it's always gonna happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm, you know, it's so easy to start a vicious cycle. But I want to tell people, you can start a virtuous cycle. I mean, just do one small action, reach out to one person, just do one small good thing every day, I think these compounds and we can make a difference. Now, I love that machine. And I mean, in these times, especially now that we're in holiday mode, and lots of in my family, we've got a house full of lots and lots of bodies. So you know, to keep it just to remember to be kind and to be open and to just stay calm. You know, that's probably the most important tip I would give for everyone as they go through the holiday. Yeah, yeah. Nice. All right. So wishing everyone a very, very, very happy festive season. And thanks for joining us, and we'll see you guys in the new year. All right. Holidays