The Know Show – theme, crisis leadership and mental health

Welcome to The Know Show. What a week and definitely a fascinating news cycle, but also an example of how a moment can consume our attention and focus, when so much else is happening. However, sometimes we need a break from the hard news, so we’ll talk about the ‘slap’ but not from a story perspective, instead we’ll discuss how it rolled around the world and our observations of the conversations taking place. After that, it’s time to get serious and discuss the news forgotten or missed in the Hollywood maelstrom. 

Moving into the theme - crisis leadership and mental health - based on previous weeks, we know many are really struggling with the intense quality of the news served up to us every day. It’s a scary time for the world. To meet this need, it’s time to focus on mental health, and we are delighted to welcome Dion Jensen, The Founder of The Lion Academy.

Dion’s bigger focus is crisis leadership and mental health. He is going to talk to us about how those who are responsible for others, can lead and influence in a way that protects their mental health. We’re also going to hear about pressure, stress and cracks, the difference between emotions and mental health, notice versus focus, lenses, filters and more. You’ll also understand the difference between mental health, mental resilience and mental health challenges and mental illness. This is going to be a very powerful session, please tune in. 

The Know Show is a Livestream held every Friday, where Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade and Joe Augustin, with at least one special guest, review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters to all of us. 

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face. My face look big. Yeah, you just lucky, I guess. Welcome to the nose show. My name is Andrea Edwards. Oh, my name is Joe Augustine. And this guy over here here. I'm Tim Wade. Welcome to the show. Welcome to a show about Yeah. Where where I will introduce Joe to talk more about the show now go job. Yeah, well, well, welcome to the show. This is the show where we try to be a bit more coordinated to start and we fail 17 15,000 times in a row. I'm running on one hours sleep. And I think all in this could be a very interesting show. The show is about knowing and knowing is a lot more than just having a really strong feeling about something is actually actually knowing having some basis for knowing the stuff that you know, and challenging the stuff that you think you know, so that the next time you have a conversation with someone else, perhaps you might have a little bit more to go on. What we also like to do is get a perspective, a different perspective around cells. And that's why every week we endeavor to get a an interesting guest and this week we have someone who is the founder of The Lion Academy, that lion not not the Donald Trump lying Academy, the lion Academy, and he is Deon Jensen. Let's welcome V on to the show Heidi on how is everyone Great to see you again. The quick introduction from what the lion Academy is as well. Sure, so the lion Academy is the world's first empowerment Academy that's run the Pacific way down here in the South Pacific. We have a warrior culture, but we have a village mindset, it's about creating that safe place for our people to come into. And we primarily protect them from what they're scared of, hence the lion and why we're in that safe spaces as having the courage to go back and forth and look after each other pool our resources really knock ideas and stuff around and get what's best for the tribe. Which is why so excited being with you guys tonight. It's good to have you here and the work you've been doing. I mean we all met in Singapore a few years ago now and you were you were really building the academy at that point right? Or maybe you spent a lot of time in the Fulton in the lobby I was angry at Soldier guy back there and my transition to when I made the choice that who are supposed to be evolved into and then we go through the different levels and Tim and I share a mutual friend His name is Jesus so he's he's my teacher. Nothing to do with religion but the book of Proverbs always made sense to me so you got to put all your cards on the table stand for what you believe in and we believe in protecting and empowering people and not being scared of stuff. So I'm quite quite looking forward to looking at this we got a victory mindset and when I was already one we're just cleaning up the battles in the meantime. We were just talking before the the show went online and we were talking about Andrew Bryan and I just thought for just a second because I've had so little sleep Andrew Bryan also goes by that other name Okay, yeah, no, no, it's not Andrew Bryan although I do believe in Andrew. I do. Yeah. It's really really nice to see you again. Deon. It has been far too long but I've been keeping tabs on the work you've been doing. Everybody was listening he's doing amazing work with people who are going through through like he said transitions we've had experiences as well. And but the academy now who who comes into that Academy and is nurtured within it. Booty help so we've got just over 4000 members I think we just ticked over 4200 members the other day just come in and organically and primarily it's set to winds to the dark scary stuff suicide or had enough overwhelmed don't want to be here anymore you know been there it's got to be better than the crap we're going through at the moment. So anyway from youth youth justice you suicide prisoners, rape victim sexual assault victims, veterans PTSD all that stuff was where we started and then out the other side it's actually professionals coming out of the business model now with their like, business models and now their traditional business that now they're How do I take everything that's in here, chuck a USB stick into it, create something like the line Academy become an author, a speaker, a trainer and monetize my experience. So way out there in we've got CEOs and organizations that are like, Hey, this guy was going on about this stuff. 12 years ago, we didn't listen to him. Now it's really really important and our crisis leadership has gone to number one on LinkedIn. So maybe now someone that's used to dealing with the scary stuff is someone we need to talk to. But my transition in Singapore was understanding the the money stuff, right the money the business side where you can't be walking into Asia and be talking mental health and suicide where it's still illegal in so many of the countries in Asia. But when you talk about increasing engagement, productivity and revenue, they all started paying attention. So, yeah, individuals that are struggling with stuff. And then entrepreneurs and people looking at a different business model that they have the employee is dead. That's projects and contractors now. And so how does that all sort of work? And then with the critical strength being the internet, and I know they're gonna turn it off and start playing with that later? How do we then build our global networks locally? So we've got a hashtag called globally local. So to answer your question, it's people that either scared and terrified, have no idea what you're doing. Or people that know they have a skill set. They don't know how to apply it in today's times. Fascinating. So there's a mental health issue. And then there is an entrepreneurial? Well, there's a mental health community. And there's a entrepreneurial community. And there's a bit of bit of both in between sometimes, yeah, yeah. Because there's people involved in all of them. And then regardless of the industry, we're human beings and collectively human beings getting, yeah, getting squeezed, right. And no matter how successful we are, as an entrepreneur, your kids won't talk to you when they're teenagers when the game free stuff. So yeah, that sort of fits across the board at the moment. Yeah, I like the way that you comfortably talk about the finance side of things. Because often people who are working in the, in the fields where you're helping people, it's almost like a dirty word to talk about the entrepreneurial sort of earning money side. But there should be no shame in earning income from value that you deliver, and doing good work at the same time. And it's that's, that's, that was really interesting to hear that because I know a lot of women struggle with that. How did they, you know, justify, you know, their fees, you know, some of our friends, you know, people, you shouldn't be asking for money, and it's all good. Yes, they should, they've still got to eat. Well, if there's a value issue, I just spoke on the virtual assistants Summit. And the amount of woman that use the word just when you ask them what they do, how they don't know, there's our I was just a housewife, I'm just at this I'm just at the moment, someone says just they their self gallery is down here. And so pricing your your products and services was a internal personal value issue, hadn't dealt with the the trauma of rejection as an individual, which then bleeds over into business not wanting to be rejected, and try and say, Look, I have value here. Because personally, when I look in the mirror, I don't see that value. So how do I sell it? So yeah, it's a common conflict. But yeah, we're, we've talked about a lot we've talked about anything else, Andrew, if you haven't said on the end of your kids bed, looked at them while they're sleeping, not knowing how you're going to pay the mortgage next month. mental health and suicide, financial pressures, a massive part of it. Absolutely. All right. All right. Shall we get Oh, good, good. Yeah. You know, yeah, we're gonna get it. We're gonna, we're gonna play with the news. And then we're gonna talk more about what DNS has to share. Absolutely. And so we're gonna start with obviously, the big news of the week, which is Chris Rock, and Will Smith. Now a lot of people have begun Guardian are going to talk about that. Right. But I actually think it's, it's a, it's an important story to talk about, for multiple levels. This is a story that consumed the world. And that's what we pay attention to what's consuming the world's attention and why and trying to make sense of it then. And it was a classic news cycle, right? So I actually shared the story within moments of it breaking, just because I happen to be on a website, and I was looking, I was reading something and it popped up. So I shared it. And I didn't realize how big the news was at that moment. In fact, it most people still thought it was a bit of a show a bit of a performance. It was scripted. And people still think that even even at this point. But um, yeah, no, I I think the I mean, there was a shock. You know, people couldn't believe that something like that happens in that situation. So that that was the first thing but I actually instantly went into were wearing, like, Where was willing ease minds, right? So what's it like to be ready to get your first Oscar? And there's only a handful of people in the world that could answer that question. And what are the emotions? What's the intensity of that moment, like for someone who's about to walk up on stage and accept an Oscar. And then on the other side, I was thinking about Jada, who's obviously trying to come to terms with a diagnosis of LRP is alopecia. I don't know if that's how you say it. And I actually have some friends who are struggling through this. And it's a very difficult thing to come to terms with. But at the same time, she's in her 50s. And she's also going through another change in her life. So she's, she's got these big, big changes happening to her as a woman. And you know, how you look your hair is part of the story of being female. So that was the instant place that I went into. And so not excusing that behavior, none of that I just, that's where I went into empathy. And I then I saw all these Other people just saying, I'm done with Will Smith. It was instant. And I just wanted to ask you guys, what was your first reaction? How quickly did you notice the story? And what was your first reaction? So my, my very, very quick reaction was, yep. Okay, this is a scripted piece. And then I realized that only one of the tool was nominated for being the world's best actor for that year. So Chris Rock's reaction actually gave it away in terms of it being real, as Chris isn't a good actor. Just watch anybody show it right. And he was legitimately frazzled by the situation. He lost his place. He lost his words, he lost what he was gonna say he was trying to recover. He had some he had swag, but he just got he was lost in that moment. So you could you could see what happened, then. And then I began to think a little bit more about because I, again, maybe this is my confirmation bias, about you know, how people have rehearsed reactions to things. I sensed a deal, that something is one of those is one of those things that you pre agree if anything happens, and there's a between between will and Jeddah that, that, you know, you're gonna you're going to step up on me or whatever. It was some some kind of a thing that was said before that because there was this weird moment where we'll seem to be okay with it. And then really not, huh, you know? Yeah, I've got I've got a perspective to add on that. Tim. My, I noticed a couple of things. So one of the things I noticed was that when I watched it, so first of all, I, I, I looked at the picture, and read, I think it was Joe, who posted about it. I read that first before watching it. And, and I was I was a bit sort of dismissive of who cares, it's the Oscars. I mean, it's just it really. And then I went and watched it. And I got a physical reaction to it, which was my heart rate increased. I was in fight or flight, you know, that sort of mode. And this is just watching it on on YouTube, which is really interesting. Because I've got this, this real aversion to that sort of stuff. And, and I get I my mind, I go into sort of how do I stop it? Or how do I solve it? Or how do I prevent How To what do I do? So anyway, I was just sitting there watching something that already happened. And I noticed my heartbeat, my heart rate really racing. My opinion was a couple fold. One of the things I processed a little bit later was I remember I was in Cambodia. It was Yeah, Pnom pen, and it was with a girl there. And it was a bit of a it was like a courting date thing she'd come up with. We've met we've met each other before in Australia and everything else she'd come over and it was like we were seeing if there was something there anyway, she was she was about to take a photo. And I was standing behind saying up with the camera up a little bit to the left little bit to the left, take the photo of the palace and whatever it was a guy rose race pass and grabbed the camera from the back of a motorbike. And my first reaction was chased the guy. So I flat I grabbed another motorbike and got on the back and started chasing the guy. I mean, it was when I think about it now it was a bit of a dumb reaction because I should have protected I should make sure she was okay. She was that she was standing outside a palace God so but that's that wasn't I didn't even think about that. I thought I must write this injustice. And that's what my, my my headspace was. And my only way of writing the injustice. The only power I had was chase him and capture him I hadn't quite worked out that if I did capture him, I was fighting over a camera and he was fighting for his freedom. And so who's probably going to fight harder will pull out a knife. And I certainly didn't have one. And I think the guy who was on the motorcycle in that I was writing kind of worked this out and and made a turn that and we lost him and I went okay, we'll take me back to where she was. And then I went into rational mode of, hey, it doesn't matter about the camera. I mean, we didn't lose weeks of photos or anything. We don't you just got there. We'll go to the police station. Get the insurance claim you're insured. Yes. We'll go to the shops buy exactly the same camera. Let's move on with the holiday. Yeah. And so I guess what I'm trying to say is my reaction was defend the girl even with a not necessarily logical I went down to a sort of base level of get the guy get the thing solve fix the problem. And I guess we'll possibly win then with with the mind my sort of perspective of him being okay with it first. It's like you're riding a wave before you realize it's dangerous. The guy's Joking, joking, joking, joking. And she was smiling first and then process I felt really awful. And I think presumably he looked over and went up got to defend my girl. Yeah. And I think that there's definitely a cultural thing about, about him saying, I'm going to defend. I'm going to I'm going to stand up for my woman. And he went up and did that. I think, had he. I mean, there's lots of different things he could have done, but had he not sat down and shouted out what he shouted out. That was the bit where it was very real to me. Yeah. Because that was the part everything else could have been the thing but his anger at that point where he said it, and he said it twice. It was like any any score as well. Yeah, he swore as well. Which that was a that was a big part. Yeah. So yeah, so I guess that was it. For me. I had a, I had a physical reaction, I equated it to something stupid, not stupid. But something kind of my first instinct was no ability, but it wasn't necessarily the smartest thing to have done. But I look back and I don't berate myself for it. But he's got a lot more public eye on him. That and, you know, stuff, but I don't think you'll suffer from it. enormously. You might just have a lot more Schwarzenegger roles from now on. Dion? Oh, yeah, I remember, you know, when it happened, like, you're not really strict on my focus, if it doesn't relate to the three things that I'm focusing on for myself, my people, i discard it. But I watch how it affects other people. And no, all distractions are equal, I think is what I emailed you, Andrea, you know, I don't watch the Oscars. I didn't watch this, I saw it come across a social media feed. I mean, that doesn't relate to us. And I see so much of this bandwagon stuff. You know, anyone can pick anything in the media right now to latch on to, to, to raise your actual value. There's good and bad and everything. But this is the no show. And there's there's three main people involved in this right? So if I put my analytical head on, because you're asking me to because normally I just discount it right? With my analytical hands, only three people involved. Chris Rock, Jada, and Will Smith. And they're the ones that know what's going on inside the head, the rest of us are just, I read Will Smith's book, love this book, not a big wolf Smith fan. I was just curious, I got the book for my birthday, loved the book, with my PTSD background, that's a trauma response if he wasn't acting, if he was acting, and if you're looking at an article now all of Chris Rock stuff has has sold out. He's got a show that he's already run, I think last night sold out. So it could be any of these things. At the end of the day, none of us know. So everyone's passing on an opinion or latching on to something that relates to them. But with all distractions being equal, as soon as I saw that come out, I started looking around everywhere else, because we've just come through a huge wave of not believing anything the media says. But if it triggers something in us, we believe everything they say, hmm, yeah, that's really interesting. So a couple of perspectives that I was one perspective I was I was disturbed by and that is what you've just said that day on this idea that we have no idea what's going on in anybody else's life. And I've seen some posts, and even one post blame Jada for it. Because Will Smith doesn't feel like enough of a man because of stuff that's going on in their marriage, right. And this was shared hundreds of 1000s of times. And I felt sick about this, because the person who wrote it has no idea what they're talking about. And why do we feel this need to integrate other people's lives? It's not just famous people. It's our neighbors, right? So I found that side a bit disturbing. And it was on public display, but going to his book. So there's a story in his book when he was nine years old, and he witnessed his father punched his mother in the head. And he did nothing about it. And so there's another underlying story that psychologists and psychiatrists are sharing based on the story he wrote in the book. And it's basically saying it's unresolved trauma. And when you go through, and obviously I'm not an expert in this, but but he's the essence of it when you go through trauma. If a moment happens, that triggers that trauma, you immediately go back into the moment. So in that case, the nine year old boy, and you behave in a different way. And that's basically what they're saying. He was responding to this trauma. And I thought that was something that needs to be not necessarily his story, but trauma as a whole needs to be understood more. You know, Joe, I think you shared the wisdom of trauma with me. Right? The video with a movie in a series. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's so much trauma in our society, and there always has been, you know, like, if you watch Peaky Blinders, it's a story of trauma of all these guys that came back from World War Two had to go back into society or World War One, whatever generation it was, and they just had to go back into society and get on with things, but their trauma was never resolved. And we've got to just say something on that point, because we're both fixed. I mean, I'm a military veteran, and I wrote the world's first good news book about PTSD. So this is our tribe. Yeah, right. garlis of the trauma that you've gone through that is no one else's fault. Right? You can you can blame all that stuff. But you've gone through this quickly, Chris Rock didn't go through Wilson's trauma, your trauma is not an excuse for you to then go and place that on anybody else. Otherwise, veterans around the world have, you know, we've had this conversation for for a long, long time. My wife didn't join the Army, Navy, that my kids. So when I'm an angry, unresolved trauma guy trying to fight everything, that's not my wife and kids fault. So yes, I understand trauma response, yes, that there's another part of his book, which is probably deeper than seeing seeing that side as the rest of his life. He writes, I'm not saying this as fact, this is just what he wrote. He gets all his value from what women think about him. That's what he wrote in the book. So yeah, but then I've been in trauma responses, I've been triggered and reacted subconsciously with violence. That's, that's part of my story as a wheel. That's in the heat of the moment, man, you got plenty of time to walk all the way up there. But what I saw, when I saw the trauma response off and went back and looked at it, we've had what we've had at the state, he's got plenty of time to walk up there, but an activator when you got within arm's reach, but the the sympathetic response of adrenaline as it goes up and spikes it doesn't spitefully attempt back down. So he had walked up the opinion time to decide what he was going to do. He could if he was still in trauma response at that stage, and he had kicked off and subconsciously had lost his cool in the heat of the moment and an Australian law, exactly like you watch me for that. I'm not going to take my time and, and slip someone. But when he had sat back down, and it all sort of peaked at that point he's committed now, that's when all the stuff sort of came out. More, it's all scripted, we don't know. But I just want to say too, that your PTSD, your unrelated trauma is not for everyone else to flip and suffer from. If you don't heal yourself, you will bleed on people that didn't cut you the responsibility to heal himself as his not everybody else's. But But I agree. I absolutely agree. But if it's not recognized, if we're not addressing it, if we're not recognizing the trauma that exists, and we're not creating the societies that can support people have gone through trauma, which is apparent all over the world, right? There is trauma. You know, Steve was in Australia, and just last week, and the rate of young children, teenagers who have thought about suicide, suicide, attempted suicide, or harm themselves, during the COVID era is escalated, like numbers have never seen before, right? So there's a lot of trauma in our societies right now. And if we don't finally talk about it, and so for me, I suppose this, this news, while it seemed unimportant, it actually opened up an opportunity for us to understand how much more compassion and empathy we need to have in our societies to recognize that there is trauma, and then to put in place what we need to deal with the trauma. I agree, if you if people aren't in survival mode, it's very, very difficult for people to have empathy about anything else if the they themselves are in survival mode. And that's a lot about what we're going to talk about tonight, this survival mode. There's the transition adaptation mode, there's an evolutionary mode, the moment people are in a survival mechanism, they shut everything down to protect themselves, and they latch on to something that gives them value. Yeah. And so yes, I mean, there's this, there's plenty solutions out there for trauma. You can debate this either side, and you would win every argument you have because there's evidence and data points now for everything. So the four of us collectively pick a point of view and actually win that debate. And we could pick any of you we wanted contrary to everything else, and still win it. Because there's so much better and there's pretty much people out there that can agree with one side we could say unresolved trauma, we could say scripted for alopecia sufferers, we could say scripted for Chris Rock's ticket sales. And we could go and find the evidence to support any of our stories. If we want to resolve trauma in society, and let's start on the on the positive side. unresolved trauma, and people's behavior can look like you're just an a hole. Alright, so we know that unresolved trauma in society can look like what we're seeing now. And if that goes generationally within we've got intergenerational trauma. Again, it's still not excuse to take it on anyone else. But there are, there's lots of solutions that come through. You could even argue this dude's a multi millionaire. He's got access to as many psychologists and counselors he writes about all the time. If he wanted to resolve his trauma, there plenty of time and opportunity. He's got the money to resolve his trauma. Our good friend Stacy Lewin, she witnesses a massacre in Myanmar, when she's a kid. She goes through and heals herself should have access to all that stuff. She's done it, we know her she's part of our crew. So know this. It's your choice if you want to get through it or not for the society side. And this is really important for tonight. When people are in survival mode, and survival mode is fear, pain, pressure. If you're dealing with fear, you don't have any sort of pain. or an overload of pressure, you are going to go into survival mode mentally, physically, physiologically, spiritually, you're going to go into survival mode. And you're only going to react the wonderful ways and survival mode. The difference with you is your core avatar is your your rescue, I'd like you got massive empathy. Andrea, turn your turn your particular job, I don't know you well enough, but you're a very very observant guy. So you're the guy on the hill with the glasses and trying to see what's happening. In the world was good news. What about PTSD, those are the four avatars. And so if you want, yeah, if you want society, if you want society to show empathy for everyone else, you have to address the individual make them feel safe. First, safety is the first part of everything, from negotiation to looking at a different point of view. We'll attack this this word privilege later, because I'm gonna I'm gonna destroy that Word tonight. We're gonna have some fun with that one. Tim, I'm looking forward to this one with you too, because you're humble, dude, you got to be hard, and I'm going to slay this one. But you have to help them. You have to, you have to help the individual to feel safe first. Otherwise, people won't talk. We know this from from a military background, no one's going to talk about the trauma, if they're gonna get ridiculed for it, or worse now, as people don't think they can actually do anything about it. So the danger now was listen, if a multimillionaire like Will Smith have access to all the stuff cancer has shut out? What chance have I got? So when you're talking about solutions, and trying to get through and change and sort of solid people, if they actually think that it's possible to get through and out the other side? Otherwise, there's no point trying right? And you just get this raw that we see now? Yeah. But actually recognizing trauma in yourself in the first place. I think everyone's got trauma in their past and obviously, different streams. Somebody just wrote, you know, the, we can't say who the name was, but the recognition that violence is, is not the answer. But some of the other commentary was, we, we were getting all excited about these moments of violence. And even the media was representing that differently. It was a punch, or was it a slap, and it was obviously a slap, but it's been, you know, being positioned as a punch and a punch is a very different thing to a slap, right. But, you know, war is, is violence, but it's state sanctioned violence. So that's okay. You know, that's okay, violence, but this is not okay, violence. So that's another conversation that's been going on. But I think we are at the point, you know, what we're seeing Putin doing is we need to get to the end of violence, you know, that the evolution of humanity needs to go up where, you know, and most of us too many think it's not even possible that mankind was not made for it to be at peace. But, you know, why not? Why can't we aim that? Well, I mean, it's interesting when you talk about violence, because it's so important to agree on the terminology. First, before we have a discussion on something like violence is natural, there's violence in nature. Aggression is natural, you know, it's basically I was listening to your two other patterning and what's acceptable and what's not, you know, for those of us that are at this sort of stage of, you know, words for words physical for physical, you know, the self defense, which is violent, if you try and put your hands on me and hurt me, I'll be violent, but I'll be legal and, and everything else. So there's nothing wrong with violence. There's nothing wrong for aggression. In its time, everything has its time in its place, at an award ceremony? No. For someone saying something to respond with physical, no. But you know, the word itself, we attack our emotions, you know, we call sadness depression, we call worry about things that you're allowed to be worried about anxiety, like, the power of definitions and labels is what we really need to talk about, as opposed to it and this label means this and let's talk about it. Well, that number doesn't mean that at all. Once upon a time, post traumatic stress disorder was a disorder, that's absolutely natural response to an unnatural situation, or it's train programming. So the labels and accepting the definition before you had the discussion, I think it's more important, because then you actually talk about the role that the problem is not the problem. It's how we think about the problem. And if we go deeper, again, is like, is it really the problem is the problem violence? Was it was it the promise that was a what was it for you if we agree, let's say so here's the parameters, if that was real or not staged, if that was real or not stage, what was the main problem of people collectively agreed? what according to you guys, what was the main problem with that? For me, I miss it. For me, I think we'll had an emotional response that was so intense that it overwhelmed him in that moment, and he reacted and I think in weeks to come, we'll, we'll hear him talk about and a lot of people won't listen to what he's got to say. But I think you know, we've all been in that moment where, but what in what you were saying earlier, Tim in Cambodia that you reacted, and you did Think about it. And then in hindsight, it probably wasn't the smartest thing to do. But to me, it was one of those moments. But it was on this global stage in shocked everybody. So for me, it was just that it was overwhelmed by emotion they got that was in control, not he wasn't in control of himself. That's what I said, that bothered you more that a man's lost control of himself or the fact that was on a global stage. Anyone got to see it? Neither, neither of it bothered me. It just, it just, it was just a moment that was presented to us and, and how that's been interpreted is what's what's what's happened, but it didn't bother me, it just I actually saw a person in pain. Okay, cool. So, you know, I actually care a little about what actually happened, let me but I do I do try to come up with some idea solution or some kind of reason. But that's just human nature, right, trying to make sense of whatever you've got. But what I what I do see this in terms of why it's important to talk about is because there are lessons being presented, and even if they were never intended. And that's what is powerful about this moment, because I think it's there's a common reference point very, very often, you don't have things where you have a common reference point, at least in this case, there is that same experience that everyone sort of has at least as a point of discussion. And I think we can move from there. I've heard some really, really wild and interesting ideas. And, you know, I'll tell you that for myself. I detected this sort of will being controlled by someone else. A long time ago, I saw some other interview and something and I and I just went, he's, he's, he's given power over to somebody else. I mean, that's just thing that I have. And I and I and I will just own that. That's my perspective. And I really had the sense. When I watched it, I'm like, oh, will will is doing what he thinks he should do, rather than what he is doing. You know, it was it was it was the word henchmen came to mind. But he thought he was doing he No one asked him to do it. But he thought this is the thing to do. Right? Interesting. Because because they have they have a very, I mean, they have an interesting relationship. I think I haven't hadn't gone into those details. I haven't gone deeper into the weeds, Ben. But all I was going on was my own sense. When I when I watched this interview, and when previous interview, I can't remember what it was now. But I've been that, that that is a very interesting dynamic that the two of them have. And I think I think if you asked about what went wrong, it was really the joke. It's, it was a it was a joke that was funny until you found out what the joke was based on it. So I think I think, I don't know if it's possible that Chris Rock didn't know about alopecia. I mean, that, that that's a possibility, as in, like, you know, maybe he saw someone else in the audience who had a hairstyle that she chose to have. And so you make a joke about the hairstyle that you chose, you choose to have. I mean, it's an okay joke. But if you don't know about the context, then it's not an okay job. So I have thought when I when I first heard about it, and saw it, and I thought I could say it's a fair enough joke. And as a comedian, you should know because you, you recognize the form, it's a good enough job. If you did all the things you're supposed to do in a comedy thing when you you know, in Hollywood, or at least the American comedy style is, if I'm about to insult you, or start off by saying, hey, you know, I love you. And he literally did that. And then he went into the he went into the job, and I really have this feeling that he may be just missed that part of the story. I think, I think Chris did not have it. No one's no one's followed up with follow up with him about that. But, you know, it's one of those things you It's, um, I've never agreed with the idea that there's no violence in words and no matter how on violent the actual court, you know, like if you transcribe it, you can look at it, you can say it doesn't, it doesn't. It's not overtly violent. Words do affect you. Right. And I think events like the the Oscars amongst your peer. I mean, those those speeches, people go through the trouble to write those speeches because they mean something and they will affect people and they're consequential. So, you know, I think in that in that context, the words were heavier, they certainly left Chris's mouth as a joke, but they didn't learn that way. Yeah. I mean, I I as I just a quick sort of answer to Dion's one. For me. My first response that I wrote down I think was in Joe's post was An actor hit another actor from reading from a script. And then the actor, one best actor, you know, it got to be Hollywood. And it was a bit of a push. Just, I want to just leave it over there. I want and but I think what's been useful about this in which is why we've probably spent so much time on it is if we've taken the time to get past the first push away and think, what did that mean to me? Not what did they? What are they thinking? Because we really liked the onset. I don't think we know but I mean, that two things came to mind that one was my response. If it's an actor, an actor and a script in Hollywood, was very much the judges response in Mrs. Doubtfire when he was trying to get his kids. And he said, Well, you're an actor. So I don't really believe this emotion that you're showing right now. And how desperate you want your kids back, so you can't have them. You remember that moment, that movie that was gut wrenching? So he was Robin Williams dressed up as Mrs. Doubtfire because he wanted to be with the kids because it split up with his wife. And he was spending all this time with him. And he just loved it being there. And then basically, it was an alimony thing. And he lost. And he was, he was saying, I just I just, you know, I want my kids. And the judge goes, you're just acting now. So, so from that perspective, my, they just act is was was me building a wall, because of what I just seen. And I didn't really want to deal with it. But when I really thought about it, I thought about how what I thought was right and wrong. And what was really interesting was reading what everybody else's perspective was from a different culture. Who was like, completely, like, Great that you went up there and did that, you know, because you're defending a woman. Yeah. And, and whereas another culture will go, no stiff upper lip, you know, stay there. And Hurrah. And another one was, it was what was what I also found really interesting was the scenes afterwards, when he's out there with his Oscars with all the fans, and he's, he's dancing around, like in some sort of denial, or, or over, over enthusiasm, being overly enthusiastic about how happy he is with this, rather than sort of any sort of sense of shame, or whatever it was. So, so I, then I was just thinking, from a psychology perspective. I was thinking about what he was going through. But I'm also acknowledging that I've got no idea what he's going through. Hmm. So without sitting down and talking to him and having him share it. Yeah, all conjecture. Just from an Artist Leadership point of view, when we see this amount of energy, anything towards what we're doing, we use that river of energy to take the focus back to what we're doing. So why people in the academy, and then you have a couple of people talk to me about it. Those people aren't dealing with trauma, domestic violence, any violence thought they'll be triggered by any sort of violence, then we put things in place for them. So at least behind the NDC what happened Paul Smith on like that had a quick look, okay, then doesn't relate to us. But you can bring that focus back, Andrew then asked me, you know, because not only was it not interested doesn't relate to the three things that I'm dealing with, with my people at the moment. It's another distraction. And he's like, but these are important, listen to Okay, I'll look at the important lessons and pull some out to be able to pass on Absolutely. But someone asked me a really interesting question. What would you have done deal? If that was you sitting there with Tanya, who's my wife? And so I played that over in my head. First and foremost, if there was no, I'm going to walk up on stage and slip Chris Rock, that would have been my wife, right? I don't have to physically protect my wife at all, like she have anything. I'm the one that's calming her down. But if I felt compelled to have to do something, what would be if I was in my conscious mind, a really classy way to have dealt with that sitting down there and ignoring that knowing how important it was, if that wasn't an option, I would have walked up on stage and grabbed the mics excuse me, make pray, we're friends, I love you. And for people that don't know, my wife's actually suffering from alopecia. And it's really hard for us to deal with. So I know you just tell him a joke, bro. And we love you. We're friends. But it's not a GI Joe. Joke, brother. It's it's really important. I appreciate if you if you apologize to my wife. And I'm sure I mean, Chris showed his class he probably would have done it. He could have sat back down and man he would have been what a star to go up there and represent it that way. No. So if we can bring a lesson out of this, let's fast forward the conversation to what would have been a really classy way to have handled it. Because then I couldn't turn my analytical mind off. Thank you, Andrew. i i Then ping the power of his acceptance speech within Zelle interrupter and then I went back and I listen to what was his narrative where was he hitting? He was just about to say I think just like the character I played in this Oscar, I defended my daughter's I went to the fair, my wife he got almost two there and Denzel symptoms is Hey, it's your highest point that that's when the deal was gonna come to you. Like he was off on that narrative thread. He was about to justify what He did exactly the same as what, Richard that that's why he had played that out in his head. Now you can replay those words you can play them and if you know conversations how to track words he was he was just about to say that when Denzel went any final in a different way in the speaking that's why he looked confused. But he was just about to justify what he did is exactly why he was able to portray that character, right. And then I hit it off, because I want to help people that are sitting there right now saying the owner can listen to bloody Will and Jada want to read about crisis leaders for mental health, because I'm terrified. That right now, I think this is this is exactly yeah. I mean, I think yeah, you know, making choices ahead of time and drilling. You know, for me, I've learned so much about AI, it's just crystallized quite a few things, I think, in this conversation as well, you know, just just think about things a certain way to the, you know, about focus, for instance. I mean, I I'm a big believer in rehearsed reaction, right. And so focus as well, as we as reaction is like, Yep, I see something, I recognize that it's distracting, but my reverse reaction is, and so I'm back to what I was supposed to be focused on. So, you know, I see, it's a very powerful thing. And I think, you know, like, when I when I, when I looked at this, and when I when I saw that the initial things as well, talking about how, how things were going to pan out for will in the first moment when it really happened. I also realized a lot of people were jumping to those initial quick reactions as well. There was a conversation about about branding and how his brand is damaged. And I would say, Yeah, well, his brand has been affected. But what happens out of it? We don't know yet. Right? The story is still an unknown story, right? I mean, if you think about you think about a kind of a character as well as an actor, what's his name? not remember, but you know, Snakes on a Plane, right? Ah, oh, yeah. Yeah. Whoever it was it still a crap movie, Semi. Absolutely, absolutely crap movie, and absolutely the kind of role and script that should sink a Korea. And yet, for whatever reason, again, it becomes a thing where he's so well known, he ends up being the guy that they choose to, to, to to narrate a book that's about good, good, you have to sleep you know that that kind of thing. He's, he's, if you have a book that says anything with the effort in it, you see if Samuel L. Jackson's available, and we'll do it, and he says, know that you find somebody else, right? So when I, when I saw, Will Smith's apology, for instance, I saw that playing out, I saw people say, you know, like, okay, something's not on, you can't do this, you shouldn't do that. But, you know, they also said things like or respect for doing this, I mean, that the method, the method in which he did, it probably is not the best, but a lot of people who were saying that, you know, respect for the gesture that what was what he was trying to do with that. So I don't think people necessarily said you will get the punch anyone or yell out, and award ceremony like that, on free to air TV, which was the, you know, for me as a broadcast, I felt that extra heartbeat as well, all the broadcast is trying to jump onto the screens and saying, How do I stop this moment? And then it happens again, just because he repeats himself. But yeah, it's I, for me, it's always about never, never think about never, never go away, what's going to happen straightaway, you don't know what's going to happen out of it as well. You don't know what, what, like I said, like you said, as well, you know, we don't know what actually happened. We don't know why, why, why it happened in the first place. But we do have our own way of, of jumping too fast to a conclusion. And we sometimes even want to talk about the prognosis of what's going to happen as a result of this. I think this discussion is really good. I think a lot of people have come out on the site and said things like, violence is not the answer. And that's, that's, that's, that's good. I do think some people have forgotten sequence as well in context. That means there's a comment here about you know, like how, you know, I I'll just put the comment up anyway, and just maybe I'll talk about my reaction to that as well. You know, about roasting nominees and stuff it's the assumption that you will roasting someone you know, sometimes you just make an observation as as a as a someone who's who's, because I won't say bravely but stupidly gone out there and try and do to do stand up comedy and whatever. I realized that what you're doing in that moment, trying to find something funny in the moment You don't necessarily want to roast anyone, but you go for something which you think is harmless enough, because you think that's what makes you more anyway. And then you don't realize that what you're doing is you have chosen the wrong person to make fun of, you know, what am I? What is the thing about making fun of the front row seats in comedy? I mean, if you go and attend a comedy don't do that, right. And I heard a story about a comedian who wasn't told about what was happening, but people have put in the front row of his show, people who were hearing impaired and didn't know that would be hard knowing that so the context was not there. And you'd only have to make one really bad joke about that. And you're sunk, you know, and you didn't necessarily want to go for someone or you want to go low, but you kind of stepped on a bomb, you know, but But what a really good point here, Joe, because, you know, environment and context is key here. It's not a roaster. It's an award show, you compare that joke to Ricky Gervais. And and that whole side of things far out. I mean, it's not even at the same level, right? And then, you know, there's comedy skits and it all depends on the person to like, I'm watching that study that stuttering comedian at the moment, I'm making myself watch stand up comedy 30 minutes a day to remind myself, there's still joy and laughter out there, right? Making sure I have this one focus. And so his name is Drew Lynch, and he is very clever. But they put a blind guy in the front row. And so when he did the blind joke, that it was like a pat, hey, this guy's blind and a heckler got really up in arms about it. But the blind guy came to the comedian's rescue. He goes, Man, I feel like I'm included in the show. Now, this is massive, most most people just ignore me. And then Drew Lynch actually said, mate, this guy is really, really upset about this. Do you know him? And this blind guy says, I've never seen them before in my life. So we've got context that we're talking about, but again, as the individual, another person with Ella PCMR, just gone. I was just treated as a personal short here for bloody once instead of the alopecia lady. So I mean, there's context and environment, but then there's so many different individuals here. Yeah. And again, only three people involved in this. And yes, we can look for positives and pull out listens. And that's another one too. Otherwise, you'll get me started on on isms. Why ableism and we're not doing good. I just fit, we should move into the news. But I just want to add one experience that I've had that I think is an important thing to share. So you guys were part of it. So I received two awards one night and at our annual convention, and I knew I was going to get one and somebody had whispered that there was a second one coming, right. And that was the night that I decided to dress as the Queen, you guys. So from the minute I stepped out of the elevator, Ron Kaufman was was outside of the elevator door, and he got down on his knees. And he was he was doing that to me. And it really spun me out like, wow, because that just just looks. But I instant, I just remember instantly just being swamped with people because I was the only one that had the crown on right. And it was a queen thing. And I was so uncomfortable all night. With the with the presentations with being on stage with speeches, I forgot my husband's name, you know, you name it, I got it wrong, right. And I said to my, I said to Steve afterwards, it'll probably never happen again, that I'll be in a situation where, you know, I get two awards. And so we probably don't need to worry about it. But if it ever happens again, can you please just sit me down for five minutes before we leave. And just help me get into a place of focus? Just help me get grounded in the moment so that I'm prepared for what's coming because that's when I got into the elevator. I got him with another couple so I didn't even have the calm down in the elevator. Right. So and I to me, that's another thing that I felt that we didn't have. He wasn't he wasn't anchored for his night. He says big night for someone like for anyone. Right? That big award that you've been waiting your whole life. So if you're ever going to go to an award ceremony and it's a big deal, just spend five minutes beforehand just get yourself calm and anchored and and clear in your mind about what the night means to you. I think I think that helps as well. Don't drink too much. Yeah. You drink after. Yeah. I drank a bit too much before my award. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was I got feedback. The German is the queen as well. Now he had his he had his he had his Mellotron probably had a big wig on but it was Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's move into the Ukraine. So it's a it's been an interesting week of developments. And we're seeing the Russians saying that they're going to pull back now and focus exclusively On the Donbass region, and they're saying the complete liberation of the Donbass. So this is already an area where Russian dominance is already there Russian speaking people. It's been one of those places. They're saying the other positions around Ukraine, any movements been glacial. And even though they're still bombing Kiev in some other areas, they're actually starting to pull back. So is this good news? We don't know yet. But another thing that happened on Friday is they lost another Gen. So this is the seventh Gen that's been killed in the war so far, to give you some context, in Vietnam, across the entire war, they lost 12 generals. So that's, to me an interesting part of the story, which I'll talk about again later. So there's a lot of stories around the pullback. Some people believe it, some people don't believe it. But there's another article, which says Putin being muzzled by fearful advisors. Did you guys have a chance to look at that one? No, okay. So basically, what's happening is that the people that are around him that very, very small circle are too scared to tell him how badly the war in Ukraine is going. So British intelligence basically saying the troops the Russian troops that demoralize should have equipment, and refusing to carry out orders in response to the Kremlin is saying, they simply don't understand what's happening in the current Kremlin, they don't understand Putin, they don't understand how decisions are taken. And they don't understand the style of our work, which is worrying, because such total misunderstanding leads to wrong decisions, which have bad consequences. So that's kind of a bit of a, you know, a bit of an alarm for me that conversation that's going around. So we've got, you know, the British intelligence, European intelligence, and they're all sort of saying saying the same sort of things. But basically, what they're saying is the Russian soul shoulders, soldiers, so a shorter weapons in morale, they're refusing to carry out orders, they're sabotaging their own equipment, and even accidentally shooting down their own aircraft. Not a good thing in a war, right. But going back to the, to the the generals being killed. So basically, they're saying Putin's desire to prioritize loyalty and crown cronyism, over strategic experience and tactical acumen has created an incompetent Russian army that cannot protect its own high ranking leaders. Ukrainians know this the way it works. So they're actually actively targeting these generals, because they know that that's, you know, the best way to do it. But basically, there's no independent thinking in the troops. My experience in the military, there wasn't a lot of that anyway. But the junior ranks are, you know, living in basically perpetual fear. And it's all linked back to this guy called Segi, Sergej Shoku. I don't know how to say it, who was appointed Russian defense minister in 2012. We had zero experience in the military. And the only reason he was put in power was because he had no, he could be posed little political threat to Putin, or the established military tradition. I thought that was pretty interesting. And he thought I feel like not saying anything only because I've got a super military guy here to to military people here. But, but I'm also my perspective is skeptic first, I get the perspective. But I also get the propaganda is part and parcel of warfare. So So I guess that's my position. At the moment, I'd love to hear what Dion has to say what I've been what I've heard about this situation is, it's not so much a case of they're not capable of protecting the the the generals, the intelligence that is being gathered by the Ukrainian side, is what allows them to target the people as they're as they're traveling. So they've not been they've not been been shot on the frontlines. No one's been up there, you know, with the troops they've been, they've been, they've been targeted outside of those situations. So it's it's intelligence and precise strikes that kind of have gone on there. So it's not it's not the kind of a lot of people just naturally jump to the conclusion that it was the generals fighting up there and, you know, being part of the war that they weren't doing that kind of thing they were being they were being targeted as part of the convoy that was traveling from this point. At this point. It just happened to be they just knew they just knew where they were so they could take them out. Right. And that's what they've been doing. But they've been very, very effective, I think. Yeah, Ukrainian intelligence must be superb. Well, it's a it's a It also could be just a really good sign of lack of loyalty, as you know, on the other side as well. And I mean, there there is there, there are a lot of people who do feel after I've just become Donald Trump saying a lot of people, but I think there are enough people who don't support what's going on. You know, it's really quite interesting that one of the weapons of war is in this war is to give someone a phone, you know, let them let them find out, right. I mean, that's really it, let them go and call their mom, whatever, those kinds of things are happening right now. And when, when the truth is being used as a weapon, I think that's quite a quite an interesting situation. And I think there's a lot of pressure on that as in like the, I think the that the Russians have a difficult a very difficult task on their hand, because they have to try and keep a story from breaking out. And, you know, I don't I don't think you can you first of all, you could do it for some of the people, somebody that that all things, some of the people some of the time and all the people some of the time, but you're not gonna be able to keep it going forever. And in in terms of war and sabotage, and whatever you don't need, you don't even need all or even some you just need maybe a few to know what's going on and to be motivated and to be willing to do what they think is right. Yeah. Yeah, it's small. John. You just smiling? It's very simple, guys. Like it's it's not a complicated conversation at all Russia and Ukraine. Anything to do with any military operation? Just do not believe anything you hear from the media. But rule number one, rule number two, unless I've spoken to the guys on the ground, you never make a comment about it. Because where's everyone getting their information from? Let's look at the Intelligence Cycle. Okay, little quick little Listen, collection, collation, analysis, dissemination, we don't get to run into the first three, and we believe who's disseminated information hasn't gone through any qualifying criteria whatsoever. So seven generals got killed. Really, this is Russia, the KGB training dude, and I'm seeing video or Russian soldiers walking backwards, come on now. This is the most what's weird, I can't think of what the word is, but no telephones now, most the the way the information is being gathered. The media have worked at the level has been gathered, not not not intelligence information has been being yet but when you say when you say as a qualified intelligence analyst who's going to report accurately? Yeah, even but there is information available out there. I mean, you know, from from social media on the streets, people are, you know, there's a, there's a citizen collection of information which intelligence and media have access to. So the social social media, especially in Ukraine has been phenomenal. And then there's a, there's another layer of proof, you know, because there's been fake information, fake videos, all that sort of stuff. There's a there's a team of people, and they're not even employed. They're independent people who just want to make sure that the right information gets out there. And I found that a really fascinating part of the story. I've never seen anything like it before. And the media has actually regain trust. It is come yet. Yeah. So there's but it's independent people being getting involved. And then of course, you've got the hackers. I mean, how do we know with evidence on that, like, you're talking to a guy that's been involved in stuff overseas and had go kid BDC guys reporting and photoshopping? Like, we just don't believe anything we see on the media in regards to manage operations on this. We know the guys on the ground involved in that military operation even then we wouldn't comment on anyway. There's so many refrains here, just just in pure logic, like Russian military is no joke. Spears. nares is no joke. The this to us with a military background, it's just a probe. It's just a probe to gather information on who's who, how does finances work, who's for us who's against us? Let's try and shut down the internet. Elon Musk put satellites up. It's a cool little probe. I'm not the value in all the people that are suffering. But if we if we if we do a military mindset on this, you know, if Russia wanted to show you can destroy Ukraine as a probe, to gather information, they're whatever they're doing, but this is you don't believe anything the media says in regards to military operations? Because you don't know. Yeah, I think there's trends and but it also it goes back to the earlier thing, you know, be very objective about everything that you read, right. But there are trends that come across multiple, multiple sources across the world. So we can't all be bullshit, right, but we're hearing well, one very interesting is the group called Bellingcat Behling. Bellingcat. is a group that what the what the use is this user reviews user data. And what we mean by user data is including social media, and the, what they use journalistic standards to try to verify stories. So what they do is they, they look for occurrences and they will look for multiple angles on the same occurrence, for instance, so something really for something really to have happen, you have to have several angles, and whatever it is all naturally covered, and whatever that increases the probability that that it's real. They then run it against other other other algorithms to confirm that and be trying to figure out stuff. So like, while everyone was wasn't sure about what was happening with Russian troop movements, and all that Bellingcat was able to say, yes, they are because what happens was, as you as as tanks, and troops are moving through small towns, kids with phones are going to go like, Oh, yeah, look, this is me with you know, whatever. Yeah. And they and they got an I got that information. And in fact, they were, they were one of the reliable or at least the tightest, reliable sources, to confirm that Russia was involved with the poisoning of the of the opposition leader. I mean, you know, not the leader, but the the critic, right, it was poisoned. And how they did that was they went the extra step to look for for that data. And, and they found communication records and stuff like that, where they were they were they were able to, to say not only was there an ID, there's no, they may not be the absolute smoking gun that said, this guy did this to this guy. But there is a lot of stuff to say that, well, in this particular building, there was a lot of communication between these people and these particular kind of people, which happened to be the people who make poisons, yeah, just before this activity happened. And then it was like communication between this place and this place where nothing happened, just before it happened. So there's a lot of you know, that it does in terms of of putting together the evidence, they could, they could say, with greater probability that was likely absolute probability. So for me, it's simple. Some of the stuff that you see on social media that's been verified by people like belling cat can only be not true is huge. If you can somehow orchestrate a large scale performance of that level with great actors and great performance, whatever it is, if you can do all that, and you can do that you don't need actors and performers. You take your low level guys, you give them orders, and you send your low level guys to go and do what low level guys do. Like call them. I'm on a phone. Chuck them over there. Why you real guys are doing stuff when no one's looking like we can all agree with us Will Smith was Russia, Ukraine is like, we are absolute idiots on following we're like, well, I kept following a laser beam. Oh, shoot. Oh, Will Smith Jr. Oh, look at this all I know is greater probability like same as 911. We've got this massive this, but it wasn't missing. So it's a greater problem. Come on now. And if you got the evidence, and you know, as leaders, you're really careful, like the cardinal sin is single source of porting, right, we know that just under a boon destroy to her reputation in regards to a single source reporting and the New Zealand government will be the single source of information that's just cardinal sin stuff. So we don't know. So our responsibility, our social responsibility is not to amplify the unknowns. We can ask questions, and we can look at logic. And we're really careful what we say because we're just adding to that laser beam. Well, some someone's said that, you know, the real objective that that Putin has with all of this is not to sell this story, or that story, is to lead the world thinking there's this story or that story. You know, again, this group of four people could win any debate. If we pick the subject that this is purely so that Russia, China and India can create their own currency, we could win that debate. We could do this as a pro to say which foreign payment gateways control Russia, Amazon and PayPal quite just to get our own vision of that. We could pick whatever lens we want. And again, there's so much data and data points to prove our point. And I think that's what we're seeing in the world at the moment. Andrea, its global media now has the ability to take focus very, very quickly over a guy sleeping another guy that an award show on a movie and a roomful of multimillionaires that put other multimillionaires up on stage. So they keep making money. You can look at it that way. And then whatever happens, it can take our focus straight away our role as leaders is to bring that back to what serves our people. None of that none of this serves our people, you know, unless you're great. We're living in such a deep age of distrust, right if we if we don't give any validity to The sources that we have access to, then I think we're in trouble, you know, and that I've never seen the media work harder to verify, you know, this is a, the first war that's been fought on tick tock, you know, the way information works is so different to what it used to work like. And there is truth in the mix. I don't know, you know, like the Joe, what you just said about fitness, the whole goal is confusion. You know, you're talking about the currency that's gone along before the war. It's probably coming to a head now. What seems just gone? But yeah, so I mean, you know, I think we've got to. So the message is always look beyond, you know, there's lots and lots of different sources. And there's trends and themes in the mix. And you've got to find them, if you're only relying on one source. You know, if you're only watching Fox News, then you're in trouble. I don't know what the story that you're talking about with a Jacinda Arden losing your credibility or single source reporting side? So here's a question we always used to fast forward these conversations because it could be bloody anything me, right? It could be a bit of this, a little bit of that, and a bit of this and a bit of that it could be any combination of things. So from what we know, not what we think, from what we know. So what now what, that's how a leader has to think in these situations, we've got this situation could be this could be that could go up could go down, could say the same. That being said, How does this relate to my people as a leader? And what is my responsibility as a leader now in regards to the situation, when this happen, that the two people in my tribe that I knew that really affected and affected Yana and it affected? St. dooner? Yeah, so they're in my tribe. So I read straight out to them, What can I do to help you with what we're dealing with, because you're in my tribe, my people here in regards to who I'm leading here in the academy, and those that aren't involved in Russia and Ukraine, had no bearing they're trying to pay their bills, I've lost their jobs. We've got 17,000 businesses in New Zealand that I've got, and I've got a leadership responsibility there. I don't have a leadership responsibility in Russia or the Ukraine, apart from the people that are in my tribe, because we can't be all things to all people. What you're doing here on the show, and being able to bring all this information to the table is so super, super valuable. But again, as leaders we have to be very, very careful. And are we I mean is a perfect 10 pops back in and Proverbs pops in my head, you know, where there's no wood the fire goes out. So if we got a fire, we keep wanting to throw wood on it, or do we not look at what's causing this fire and user conference to remove the remove the fuel from where you're talking about empathy removes the fuel of hate, you know, an empathy and humility and gratitude removes the word from the fire of judgment, and shame and all the rest of it, I think that's very valuable. But identifying the fuel that is burning to me is more important as the leader, and as a fire that doesn't relate to us, then we don't want to leave a trail back to us. Because on a pure risk assessment, you also have to be very, if they're on a risk assessment, be very careful what conversations you get involved with, as well. Like if we're going to talk about a subject and and use the context, and Joe's got context, and this woman, Jada, that whole sort of stuff as an Oscar thing doesn't relate to me if you want to pull out the trauma aspect and use that cool. So for Russian Ukraine, how does it relate to you as a leader in your people? What lessons are affecting your people, control and freedom is still massive. But if you haven't read this book, it's called the next 100 years by George Friedman. George Friedman was the founder of StrikeForce a strategic intelligence company. And he's like, all the stuff in my head and what are known right in this book, he wrote, this is like Russia kicks off. And the whole strategy is to flood Europe with refugees, because the biggest issue in the next 100 years is lack of a skilled workforce. US has got Mexico they got all the workers, they need Japan's toasts because their GDP they import 60 or 96% of their GDP. So by flooding Europe, with refugees and everything else, that's part of the strategy that was called a very long time ago. And the US will not get involved in this part. The next part they will, but we won't won't get into that. But because we've we've seen the script. So it's, it's now about So what now what how does it relate to my people as the leader? Where's my responsibility was my influence and what's my objective now as a leader? All right, but the goal of our show is to try and make sense of the news so that people can make sense of the news. So that and I want to talk about the bit that I think is really important, and which impacts all of us, right. So we've talked about it before. How is this war going to impact global food supplies? We've already seen price hikes all over the world. And one of the things that's basically happened is the Ukraine was one of the largest suppliers or contributors to the World Food Program. So the World Food Program has been incredibly busy for the last couple of years. And a 40% of the wheat comes through Ukraine, and now they're having to turn around and give the food back to the Ukraine. So that's going to create a problem, and it's going to create a problem in the middle least significantly. And then maize is more across northern Northern Asia as well as Europe. So the the human impact of, of the famine, that could potentially roll off the back of this is something that leaders are starting to talk about. And it's going to be severe. And it's going to impact all of these countries who are trying to emerge from the devastation of the economic fallout from COVID. And now they've got this potential famine on the cards. And I'm bracing myself for impact here. Because I know it's going to have an impact. I'm glad Thailand's a rice producing country. So at least is a staple that's being produced in the country. But for a lot of countries, if you look at the maps of the world, who's been going to be impacted by Russia, and Ukraine, food, as well as fertilizers, we've got some pretty serious stuff coming up. And that's what I'm worried about the most. Because this happened in Iraq, you know, what Iraq was also very, very famous wall. I was just checking out there to make sure I was correct. Wheat flour. Hmm. So Iraq was one of them in Iraq, and Iraqi dinar was were for US dollars, one sponsor. And then one of the biggest exports of wheat flour. Now we know Ukraine with wheat. I mean, the strategy is a destabilization of what other people are, I'm not saying this, I'm just saying this is what other people have written about. And it's similar stuff as it goes around. Food, massive, it's going to be one of the biggest things we're focusing on down here in South Pacific is papa Kreiner. Been able to feed ourselves from where we live, doing gardens with silver beet and potatoes going back to having a garden in the backyard. Clean Water waters, like the next generation, or gold and diamonds, you know, clean water, but it's manpower and a skilled workforce, be able to keep doing these things. And then I know you're going to talk about environment like man, that's, that's massive on the back of all these other things. But it's turn though, it's red. And what comes next? Well, there's something very interesting about you spark there, which I was just I just heard about, which is like, you know, you know, the word, the word rival comes from the Latin word reverse, which means, which is about river. And it used to be the reason why people fight, right. So that's how it all comes down that way. But the interesting thing is, even though a lot of war and all that had been fought over water, the development has been that we've come to a better place with regard to water we've been able to share. So like in the Middle East, even though it used to be the big thing. It's now not as much. And now we're moving on to the next phase of what is really most important to us. And it seems like it's energy. But there are also some additional things beyond that as in What does energy mean, the reason why this came up was because the besides besides is like all the things that you mentioned about food from the Ukraine. Ukraine is also one of the world's largest producers of neon, and not that it is going on bother you that you need me on the gas, right? No, it's not that you're worried that much about those signs not working as they used to, but there's a significant component when it comes to the manufacturer, manufacturing of electronics and, and stuff like that. So the the progress of electric cars, electric, electrification of vehicles, and all kinds of stuff, very, very heavily affected by that particular situation as well. So now, there's a double edge thing happening in the Ukraine as in not just the oil, but also in terms of the ability to, to, for the rest of the world to to move and do better things with electronics. So there's an interesting thing about where our focus is, in terms of the world right now we are, we are focused on on energy, and if you think about food, food is is energy as well. But I think this is the way we tend to be it's about what we need and how much we want now you know, that kind of thing. And essentially, and to support your point on helping people make sense of the news. Like there's there's all these different things, but when you look at it as a global perspective, and again, the street people involved in the other thing frequent and this one India, China, and whoever wants it, and regards to doing their own currency together. Now actually recorded in China because we talked about landmass and resources, bigger land, no more powerful, but China increased their GDP by 13.4% using point 1% of the landmass. So now landmass isn't isn't the the effect of for increasing the GDP, it's the middle versus the digital, it's its internet, which all requires massive amounts of energy. So all these these things are starting to sort of, like there's lots of different patterns within patterns within patterns, but they're all sort of starting to link together and the certain places and one thing that we I think many people can agree on throughout history is the thing that we're looking at is not the thing that it's about. And it's not until later on, we find out what the thing was actually About. Yeah. John trying to see what the thing is about before it's about yeah, that's basically that's, that's getting in front. But and this is like with the crisis, you've got to, you've got to get over and past the current crisis yet we're going to make sense. So what now what once we can make sense of it, how do we then get in front? Yeah, that's, that's, that's where we really need to be as leaders during crisis. Otherwise, we just stay looking at the same thing stay in that same place. So if we can make enough sense of it, just even 50 60% is heading in the direction we don't know that this the nation leader, we can position things in that direction and see as we go through and that that ability of visions, or as we say, in the crisis, Leisha may there have been Eagles out there. As we have the river in the eagle, the rivers, the river of crisis energy, which we're talking about right now, as leaders, we have to be that rock primary that rock has to be a safe place. So that we can actually get out of that river and do this, have a look at it, you know, but notice that without focusing on it, and growing it make sense of it so that we know how to get over the other side of the river and away from it. There's always another one. He said something about we already know the futures set and I, I checked, I don't think so. Okay, let's let's quantify that with a direction as opposed to a destination like everything's fine. Right? So we're all going to die. So I can write that. At some stage, the four of us will die are so positive before the Sorry. All right. We know that at the how we get there, how that happens when that happens with that. But when that's gonna go that way. And so is there a chance for humanity? Absolutely. There's always a chance that we can flip this around. And because there's one thing you can never keep down, here's our positive button, the human spirit. That's the 1x factor. Now, I've been reading this book critical book. Read Dalio scruple environments, environments. The other factor in all of this, there's always an environmental something, right? But there's the human spirit is the fact that you can never account for in the darkest of the dark. And the worst of the worst is, the human spirit always pops out through the Bible through the Quran through Buddhism, for any teachings, when all seems lost, one dude, or one dude, it pops out of nowhere, and is just enough to and one of my favorite sayings is through the actions of one man that we fall, for the actions of another way we raised the game, one person can always make the difference in the century. So it's not, it's not a done deal. When I say the future is written, it's written on all of our teachers that at some point, that whirlwind that just like at some point, we will all die. That's how we handle ourselves on that journey that dictates the next bit, if you believe in an expert, if you don't believe in the next book, you know, I'd rather act as though there's a heaven afterwards then and find out that there's not then act as if there's not and then find out later that there was so yeah, yeah. There's always hope. Yeah, I absolutely I'm, I'm, I refuse to ever give up hope. Because the minute I give up, I'm going to be a miserable cow. And you won't want to be around me. Exactly. It'd be fun to run out every night. Lots a lot of time into like, knock myself out. Right. But like permanently, that's not going to happen, because because I'm a hopeful person. But look, we we've we've talked about lots and lots of things. There's some really good stuff in the economy section. You know, Russia is doing some very interesting things about demanding the ruble payments and the Japanese and the South Koreans and Europeans. Can you tell him tell him he's dreaming. But your Germany's looking like they're going to be moving into rationing. The rubles being recovering this week, which is kind of interesting. And the question is asked, does that mean that the sanctions aren't working, but other people say it's too early to say, and that it will change? There's all sorts of stuff going on. One thing I would say that's worth reading in the long reads, how for brutal weeks of war, change the world, you know, just really understand because a lot of people are saying, Why aren't you talking about what's going on in Yemen? And why aren't you talking about what's going on in Somalia? And this This war has got the world's attention because of the nuclear aspect of it. And and the, the fact that we don't know what Putin's ultimate goal is, right? So this is what's gotten the world's attention. It doesn't mean the other wars aren't important, but they don't have that risk to the global population like this one does. And it's in Europe. Right. So but let's move into the the theme this week because I think it's it's this is the topic that everyone's been crying out for. Right. They're basically everyone I've been talking to is basically said, I don't know how to feel hopeful anymore. And it's been hard like we talked about it last week. It's been really, really hard to come to terms with what's going on in the world. So for me, the whole Russia thing Ukraine thing was just just on top of everything else I'm reading, like I was reading some environment stuff that what's happening now in the world was not expected until 2050. So when people sort of say the environment crisis is 2050 2100 Or what's happening now is already there It's already going. So I've kind of feel like what I've been reading about thinking about researching for a very, very, very long time is coming to fruition. And it's frightening, you know. And so that's been hard. So, Dion, how do we cope? How do we deal with it? What's your advice? I just want to say, additional preface to Dion mentioning this, because I think it might be interesting. I was listening to when when you were saying Dion, the the Will Smith, one was will Chris Jada, nobody else that the war over there is, you know, Ukraine, Russia, you know, and somebody there, but you know, there's three people involved. The three people involved, but there's always the fourth person involved in the fourth person is us in the fourth person is, is the audience. I mean, I've spent a lot of years on stage. It's not just the actors, even though the audience's isn't saying anything, the audience is a big part of the show. And it's, and and it's in, from our perspective, and from the audit from the people listening to this. And from, I think, when we say how do we cope with this from a mental health perspective, it suggests that we are participating in it, and it's affecting us. And that's the word that that's the word. What is it, its effect on us, and we'll stay with your metaphor, and what I want for people listen to this, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna humbly request these three wonderful people's participation to run these exercises. So we get different answers from all three, so that we can run the same exercises for the audience, because the audience are the most important in this. But an every show and everyone on stage, there's an objective to what the show was, am I going to a comedy skit? Am I going to a keynote speech? Am I going to a training session? So when I say that these are the actors that are on stage, what's the play? What's the story? What's the impact they're trying to do? What Why is Why is Will Smith and Christine, the media deciding that this is what we're going to put on stage now with the media platform as a stage for the audience, as for the audience benefit? What's the motive for this? So my motive for talking about this is for the audience benefit. But we've got to do two things here, we have to be the leaders because when talking about crisis leadership, because we have to understand what crisis is as an individual, because all is different. But we need to start with qualifying what is mental health first, and so everyone's going to have a different definition of this. So I'm going to give you the definition, we lay out the definitions. First, we say this is what we believe it is. And if that makes sense to you, then come with us. If you don't agree with that definition, and something else, then go do someone else, go to another leader get another modality. And so what we believe in our tribe, mental health is all positive. The term mental health is all positive. Yet every negative aspect to the effects on people with with fear, pain or pressure gets lumped under the umbrella of mental health, which is really destroying the positive energy for the term. Mental health has been mentally healthy. And my son who's nine, he knows what I do. But how a nine year old explains things. I got off the phone call with a guy from Papua New Guinea. His name is nessa in a SS er, that's his name. He was one of my clients, I'm helping them we're importing coffee from png to help the villagers out. So coffee is coming. So I just got off the call of my nine year old sons. He's a who was that Daddy, I said I was just talking to NASA. So a nine year old goes, you were talking to Eddie. And then he goes, Ah, did they need help with being kind to themselves as well. So my my son's perception of what I do, as far as mental health goes as helping people been really kind to themselves as positive determinants of health as all positive mental health challenges. We've got challenges, diagnose mental illness is another one. And so it's a scale but mental health we have to hold as positive. So when I talk about mental health is getting yourself mentally to a point of being able to handle the normal rigors of life and handle the pressure, the pressure, the normal stress, and be able to get on with your day. A couple of tricks of that the meaning you apply to it is going to define your reality. And so what are the good news about PTSD was like, the current narrative on what this is, is negative so I'm just going to change the narrative I didn't know if it was true or not. I just decided that following this definition, and this negative narrative is not serving me in any way shape or form. Because it means I'm weak. There's something wrong with me I'm broken the set and now there's I don't want to be any of those, even if clinically I am and one modality so to it that so positive. I'm doing the best I know how to do never be 40 ate raw beef 48 before. So I'm doing the best I know how to do or on falling back on training and pattern. So then if that's the, if that's true, then I can train myself the other side. So mental health is all positive mental resilience, which is that the next thing that we talked about is a skill. mental resilience is when you are, you know, you're going into situations where there's more pressure. Alright? So fear, pain and pressure, there's more pressure. If you can't release that pressure, it'll get to the point where it builds up too much. And then it'll, it's energy, so it'll find the weakest part of you to get out. Yeah. And so if, and I'll talk the whole system in a second, mental health is your ability to make sense of things to a level that serves you. If it doesn't serve you, there's no point mucking around with it, like if you can. We're walking metaphors and what we do, right, so we can complain that rose bushes have thorns, or we can rejoice that thorn bushes have roses, right? So perception really is reality when you decide to turn the signal. Now, mind is not the most powerful, but it is designed to be in control. So we've got our mind, we've got our heart, we've got our body with our soul and our spirit. And I believe that the most powerful part of us is our spirit, and our connection to Source. Now you can call source whatever you like God, nature, universe, whatever. But we come from somewhere else, the part of the human spirit that can't be costed. The light that can't be extinguished, is our highest form and this Jr's to evolve into that. But when we get overloaded with pressure, we have this mind that is designed to grow what we focus on. That's what our mind is designed to do consciously. Subconsciously, we're wired to keep us away from anything that can hurt us. From fear, pain, everything else, we know that right? So we'd have to do a basic psychology lesson on that. That's how we're designed emotions are not in the mind. So what's happened in the mental health space? Is he emotions have been given a mental label to a modality that is mental, which is psychology, which is the medical model, the medical model, and psychology is the youngest healing modality that exists in humankind. Like it's made up, psychology is made up. Someone just came out with Oh, I think it's this, this and this, and it's made up. Because it didn't exist before. There are no words for depression, anxiety or suicide in any First Nation language. You ask anyone, what's the moldy word Psalm one word Chinese word for suicide, depression, anxiety, though do other words when people aren't happy. Or there's a there's a unbalanced of energy. But these are labels from one modality. The beauty here is you get to choose the modality that suits you. Psychology helps people. Healing helps what modality makes sense to you. Right, it's up here. But when we manifest energy, we don't manifest energy here, we manifest energy here, and I'm not talking biology here. I'm just emotions in the hat. Right? Love to me is the greatest emotion and if I assign love comes from my heart, I speak from my heart, biology, I say this, your tongue, your heart, your gut, and I get into that conversation. But emotions that are natural emotions are getting mental labels put on them. And that's, that's the first best the first one I said mental health, it's all positive. And you get to choose and apply your own meaning to how you're feeling. Only no one else, put another label on how you're feeling. Because as I said, and here's the first thing I want to do people so I want everyone to write you guys got a pen and paper, I should have said this earlier. That the There we go, we're ready to go. So here's audience I'm gonna ask at the end because all your answers will be different, which is really important. So we get a broader range here. The first thing I want you to do is to come up with the shortest most concise definition of mental health if it has to be a positive Tim so audience while they're doing that do the same What's your different mental health? There has to be positive terms ready? Go to think well think well raffia right mental. Joe, I just went health and I changed I came out with happy. Happy love it. For me. It's It's It's It's contentment. And it's it's contentment and stability in yourself. Contentment, the ability like when you work out a workout before you know then we can post it later. Oh, then I'm going to do one more word then. Right then. So if it's word count on Gotta go with only one word. Okay, I'm gonna go with actually, I'm gonna cheat a little bit. Peace be with you. Peace. Peace goes with Andrea is one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you just feel the sense of peace, hmm. I may not be content, even though I'd like to be but I just feel a sense of peace with what's happening with where I'm at, with how I'm responding with how people are doing things. Yeah. With where I'm on a journey. Okay, everything that we've spoken about tonight so far in the last hour and a half. Regardless, irrespective of all of that, if jokin maintain his happiness, Tim can have peace with what's going on, and your content of what's going on in your life, then all three, you are mentally healthy. I feel like I'm mentally healthy. Yeah. Well, I mean, but I also know that, like, you know, the last month for me has definitely been outside of my contentment. And I know that and you know, I've had to talk to my husband, I said, I need to be outside of this place. For now. I need to come to terms with what's going on in the world and work out the path to hope again. But I know that about myself, but I essentially feel that I'm sitting in a pretty contented place for the majority of the time. Yeah. So can I jump in the gun? So Andrea, would would evidence of hope, go into that booklet of definition? Because, because where you are is you see a lot of evidence. I mean, we cover this news you a lot of evidence of hopelessness, or, you know, we're driving a fast car towards a cliff. And the brakes are there, but nobody's stepping on. And we're also when Maxi going, well, somebody do something. What so when Dion was talking about it, you know what's coming up next, right? So what it is, is like, Yes, I'm looking at all the evidence and all the different perspectives. But actually, what I'm looking for is the next bit. And that's where I see the hope. And if you study, if you're a historian, right, you can see the waves of history. And when we're in a, we're in another one of those waves, it's not the same. We're not heading towards a similar outcome to anything we've ever experienced before. Hold that hold that thought for one second, because you're already moving into stage two, which is brilliant, because I want you to write these three words down. past present future, right, write them down, past, present, future. Okay, and while you're doing this exercise, and while this joke doesn't go too far off the beaten path. I wore a shirt especially for for you know what, it's almost like I plan this for this particular moment. Almost because it's not quite hope. Nice. And it's neon. I liked it. Alright, so now what you're going to do underneath each of those words. So, Joe, underneath the word past, I want you to get ready to tell us in the past the happiest you've ever been one situation the happiest I've ever been made ludicrously happy in the past ruthlessly happy in the prison and where you think you want to be ludicrously happy in the future. And the same for you for contentment. Andrea same for you Tim for peace say when asked to do this as well and what I want you to notice is any glitches any off for goodness sake This is rubbish right write that down. Oh come on get on anything we call that spiritual sandpaper right all right. Anything you notice along those lines put it down. There might be too basic might be too advanced. You know, I don't believe this yet. Just do me the courtesy carry on through and then we're here reporting back from our three wise old Yeah. Interesting. So it actually doesn't really matter what we do. It's about what it doesn't matter what anyone else does. It's about what what it means to me. Yeah. And then interpretation of the Okay, anyway, so I'm going to analysis mode. I should go back to peace. ludicrously peaceful okay. Yeah. I didn't matter imagined again, I'm not supposed to answer for anyone else but ludicrous. Be peaceful. Is it just ganja ganja ganja? No, whatever you like? Yeah, okay, eat a snack bro. Don't beat Steve shoot Driving? Yep. So my answer to the question, so I have always been essentially a joyful person for like, as a as a child, right. So I was the peacemaker, I was that one, my teenage years, I was an angry person that used to question everything and challenge everything, and used to me, I never, I never, like so much didn't make sense to me about life when I was a teenager. And, you know, marriage didn't make sense to me, people going into buying, getting mortgages, and being in debt for the rest of their life didn't make sense to me. So my whole life has been about rejecting what I was supposed to do. And then, by doing that, I then went on the journey since my 20s. And, and that's been, you know, and I suppose that's what uncommon courage is about. It's my path towards contentment, from all of the different things that I've done in the experience, but it's also acknowledging, you know, I was an angry teenager with a fixed mindset. And I had to learn how to not have a fixed mindset, you know, so, but the future tired, worn out? I'm expecting to go to my deathbed. Absolutely done. With a fuel tank on empty where it should be cheap. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I'm okay with that. Yeah. Joe, Ganja ganda ganja. Well, you know what I wanted to I wanted to say, I spoke with him about this yesterday, I think last year for a couple of days as well, right. And it's gonna sound terrible, as I say this right? happiest moment in the past, when my property sold for $2.4 million. Like I reached that I reached target in the present, making $40,000 and trading over two weeks. And in the future, making a million dollars in two weeks. There's a theme that I can't quite put my finger on. Yeah, exactly. Three weeks. It's time. It's all about time. Yeah. Very, very attractive to time. Yeah. That's what it is. He's bought. Yeah, he's actually buying time to change. That's what it is. Yes. I haven't quite answered the questions the way that the other two have. Because quite clearly, they're wrong. They're wrong. Are you look ludicrous. In the past, ludicrously peaceful. I think there was the one moment I went to, straightaway, when I was just thinking, What does peace mean to me? Zoe, my daughter, asleep as a baby, that was peaceful from crying and everything else, although that was there. But it was just this, this sense of fragility, and yet, peace and just watching her stomach rise and fall as she's sleeping. So that sort of moment. Another one, when I felt peaceful, when something that I'd been striving for, or thought I was striving for, had been reached, and was over. And I looked back and went that really what it I don't know what I was striving for, you know, it's so. So an example of that, I guess, was, you know, at one point in the speaking community, I thought I, you know, I want to be president and help this and do that, and change this and lead it in that direction. And there was a lot of, you know, Meccan, not really mechanism, but a lot of stuff happening and a lot of work having to be done and, and to get to present and then, but the moment that I was a past president, it was just like, I don't have to worry about that anymore. I can just, I can just help. I don't need it didn't need to get something that and a third example that came to my mind was when I was counseling, I was on this crisis counseling hotline. And there was this guy that was angry. And he was standing in the part of a highway where the lights are all gone out. And he and there was a wheelie bin near this phone booth that he was calling from, and he said he was going to take the wheelie bin and put it in the middle of the highway and watch the carnage. And my end, he was angry, and he was everything else in my phone, my my conversation with him, ended up with him getting angry with me and hanging up the phone. But I left that, that conversation, not knowing the outcome, but with this real sense of peace, real sense of contribution, real sense of having made a difference in some way. And because I know that I pressed something that got him to that point where and it wasn't a battle with him, but it was it was that sense where I contributed in some way and it kind of links to that then feeling of the present which was releasing an attachment to an outcome. That is mine creates a sense of peace, sort of being led in the direction that I meant to go without really being attached to it. Which, which creates a sense of peace, which really quite interesting. And and then the future, I just, I was running out of time a little bit I, but it was just looking back and going I've helped others well and made a difference in a moment for them. I didn't matter I didn't change anybody's life necessarily. But I'm but I feel like even if they don't thank me, it's not about that. It might have been one point, but not anymore. And it was just like knowing that, that there was a positive contribution. And I can I can, I can I've got reference points to go. That was well done. So this exercise where everything's going crazy, right, everything's going absolutely crazy. Bringing things back down to the context, doing this, this all the time, helps us with volume, right? So you can we can talk about all the stuff and we can draw right back down into some sort of good Julian back down into places where you want to go. Alright, and then what you can see from past present and future is now you can time date stamp yourself for this stuff. Where are you actively feeding this in your everyday stuff? Right. So Andrew, give me an example in your daily timetable that is scheduled for you to make sure that your content and a 24 hour period, how are you feeling your contentment? It's not. It's not an action. It's just a being. And, and, you know, it's it's all the time it's not? Yeah, it's not something I do. It's it literally is just how I am? And he always no, no, no, no, no, I notice when I'm not. But but most of the time, I'm pretty sort of in that zone. Yeah. And this is not counseling. I'm sorry. I'm just looking at the answers that you gave me the ethics aside from from prison to future going to be tired and worn out and everything else. What's what's stopping you from being content in there that you can actually control? I don't see that as not being content in the long term. It just means so I'm not going to stop working for the future for our children and run a good race. And I'm content with that. As opposed to the result, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all about there's no result. Correct. I'm working towards Yeah. Yeah. Running the good race. Same question for for you, Joe, and YouTube. And then I'll tell the audience what they can do from this point on, because you've got to feed these but you have to feed these butts. And that's what people forget. When crisis happens, we get overload and all the rest of it is because the bits that were the strongest of you, you've gotten weaker, or they've gotten soft, like muscles. Yeah, yeah. I get it. Yep. But that's, that's the first bit like people that are like, spinning their mind playing really, really fast. This is going to be too slow for them this but the next bit will speed up for them, which is plates and cold. So Joe, I mean, us always seems to be pretty happy to Eddie, me. You must be making money every day. I think what I am is a very successful hypocrite. I I know what's needed in whichever moment it is, and I am pretty good at creating that. So that's one of those skills that I teach other people to do, strangely enough, but But you know, I think out of, out of hypocrisy comes the real thing. It's a it's a bizarre thing. But basically, you know, you don't always feel ready for what you need to do. But if you do it, you become an amen. You're right. I mean, so for me, I was trying to help someone that day, I just said, you know, all you have to do just face the right way, keep moving forward. Right. So for me, when it comes to this sort of this particular definition I've talked myself into for happiness is basically they'll always be facing away that I can make more money. And if I keep pushing towards that, I think I think it works. So it's my of all the of all the three people who are regulars on the show, I think I'll just take the lowest rung right now and be the shallowest not because it's not because you're Asian at all, either Joe has any value system where finances are important? Nothing? Because I'm Eurasian Eurasians. Happy rich people. Yes, yes. I would like to keep on new things wrapped in plastic. Metal for you sort of walk straight into a Crazy Rich Asians but anyway, so your answer and then we'll speed it up for the last bit so that people that are in crisis, we start with the software first and then we'll go into the minds releasing an attachment to the outcome. That's mine. But strangely enough, the thing that that seems to work really well is not sort of Zeny and looking at Got a window. It's actually getting good things completed. You like you're interesting to me, right? Yeah, yeah, stage ticket. A really good book that you might that you may enjoy is a book called The Art of significance, the level beyond success by a guy called Dan Clark, I met then in Utah. And what sold me on it was because I like boxing, it's like, basic goals to hit them, you got to set goals on the other side. And so you blow through everything along the way, like you're talking about. I say, Guys, don't try and be successful aim to be significant and successes a level you just broke through on the way without noticing. And he had certain ways to do that. I picked that book up, and I put it down for two years because my design was for success. I put that book down for two years and redesign all of this for significance. And then I picked that book up two years afterwards, and then I'm back on track. That's called again, the art of significance by Dan clap. Okay. Really, really, really good book for that side. Now, so now we've done that, but you know, nice bass, pick the thing. The one thing one in this is not mental at all right? For me, too. It's all emotional. Yeah. All right. Oh, your words know to do mental stuff at all. Anyway, so emotional health. Yeah. 100%. But we're label on a mental health. Because if you're not happy, and you're too sad for too long, we will have organization seizures, depressed, labeled. I was actually as you were describing everything. I disagree, a 32nd. Big but as you were describing everything the last half hour, so I was thinking myself, mental health seems to be different from mental illness, right as in like, I can imagine that there are a number of mentally ill people who have great mental health. Yep. Because now we need to talk about physiology, right? So if we talk post traumatic stress, right, it's not a disorder, but personal stress disorder, personal stress, injury, post traumatic stress. If it's an overwhelming emotion, and you're just responding the way you're subconsciously trained to respond when you're just doing the best that you can, with no altering of your biology initially, you can use narrative therapy and you can make sense of this and you can work yourself for it by talking and all that sort of side of things. If that trauma involved blunt force injury, now you've got a brain bleed, which is now going to alter the chemicals in your brain and now you've got a traumatic brain injury or TBI. Now you've got biology and chemistry working against your psychology. And then if all of a sudden you got a blood disorder this that and then your alcohol dependency drops, then you've got this complex PTSD thing going on because this I love this. This definition of what human beings are we Delfines who punya said we are a soul wrapped in a meat suit. Anything to do with the meat suit is going to affect everything else because we got to live in this meatsuit until soul goes back home right? My friend wagyu why Guru and ganja? Anyway, so as soon as you having these thoughts without really then you start dumping chemicals, your heart rate started racing, you would have done some adrenaline when you did the Will Smith thing that you're looking at him now we're affecting our biology. So our thoughts affect our biology. And if we're constantly in this mental state of thinking about things that create a certain biological response on us now we're mucking around with the chemistry. So anytime my heart rate increases, my body used to think that we have to kill somebody. Because that's the training oh, something's happened. A gentleman's been dumped the gentleman as a precursor for identify your target and figure out how to switch them off. Then as we move through this and drink too much coffee, oh, I've got all this extra energy, Oh, who am I supposed to kill? Because there was that train response that chemical stuff until you understand which is the strongest link. Some people just the mental side, they got to see the logic in it, I've got very strong on the thoughts on other people more emotional. So one of these will have the lead. And this is where there's a lot of conflict of opinions and that and you summed that up beautifully. Thomas, what is it for you? Because this is all about you, how to help other people as the leaders understanding these these techniques and have been able to understand how people think, feel and do so again, here's my three again, some Father, Son, Holy Spirit, as we think we feel we do. That's all we got. We're gonna have thoughts, feelings and behavior we can do in the house. So mental health has been labeled labeled labeled under making sense of this knowing the supplying meaning, which is really important. But I say our heart and our emotions that are the compass. So if you're a happy dude, and all of a sudden you're not happy, that's your compass and one second we're off track it that could be subconscious could be in gene whatever, and then you get to turn this on and go okay, why aren't we happy? Then you get to make sense of it. Then everything's gonna manifest in the body. Now again, spiritually and soul stuff is a different thing. Conversation with this energy, spirit as energy well sold as energy spirit as something else. So now we've got energy. So what we need to talk about now, which is really important, this is the book for people that are struggling. So we have crisis. And after crisis, a suicide, what crisis, bring them back into safety then so we can cope. And then we apply meaning to it, then we choose where we want to go. But we can do that about talking about fear, pain and pressure. So we've talked about pressure of energy builds up too much, it's going to come out the weakest part. And by weak does not negative, like this pathway that are really strong and persevere really weak, but pressure will find the weak point. Okay, that's what pressure does. Pain, any fear of pain is going to want you stay away from it. If you've had previous pain and was all trauma, we just started this with pressure is going to go that way the fastest because the wounds already open. But now we need to talk about fear in your relationship to fear this is the critical turning point with most of the people I help through this stuff. With your permission, would you please write down and then share with people watching what your greatest fear is what absolutely terrifies you? Can I do my third greatest fear? Whatever you're comfortable with, okay. All right, Jim, I'm happy to start I don't think I legitimately have fear. I really, just I think because I've just survived too many things I shouldn't have survived. But I do have a weird fear of heights that kicked in when I was 25. And it just one day, I was crossing a log on a river in Nepal. And I froze in the middle of the river. And I've had it ever since. And I don't know where it came from. I don't know, I used to jump off bridges and climb cliffs before that. So that was the only that's the only thing that ever happened. So I'll have nightmares about you know, looking off of a legend of skyscraper and can't get sleep. I don't know where it came from. And obviously, there's moments with my boys that you know, like, you know, something serious happened to them. But I also let that go because I kind of I'm just I just believe destinies, your destiny is your destiny and follow the path. So I don't have a lot of fear in my life. I suppose. That's what I'm trying to say. Oh, you've got you've got a good relationship with fear because you've survived a lot of stuff. So yeah, maybe. Interesting. So think feel do hit hard body. I'm the same as you. I'm scared of heights. But my mind is not scared of heights. My heart not scared of heights. My body is terrified of heights. Like I'll go do stuff that terrifies me climb high things, but I'm still going to sweat. I'm going to dump adrenaline my body doesn't like being up high. But I can mentally get through it. And I'm emotionally doesn't bother me too much. But my body skill. Yeah, so we to sing. Yeah. And also has a house Son House had suddenly hit and before. It's like, I was 25. So half my life. Before that. I was I was a jumper. This extreme. And then after that, this other thing happened. I'm like, and you know, I've obviously spoken to spiritual people and you know, past life regressions, and all that sort of stuff. And they reckon it's all linked back there. And I have no idea where, you know, I can't prove it one way or another. It's just something that appeared in my life, you know, so yeah. Or you can't say losing money. But what's your what's your what's your greatest fear? Ah, well, actually, my greatest fear is always about it's it came out of learning about economics. So it's really bizarre. But when I was in school, I learned about economics and that kind of get got me thinking about things in general. And so the biggest fear I thought about it at the end of it all, that it was all a waste of time. No, no, that's all waste of time. Oh, yeah. I thought it was gonna be nothing to do with spandex. At the end of the day, the balance sheet goes from 2.4 million to zero regardless. Well, yes and no. But it's a different it's a different it's a different kind of thing. I mean, there is there is a whole different way of thinking beyond yourself. Like I said, if you if you set your goals up for beyond just you if you think of your life as you then it ends with you. But if your life isn't just you, then it carries on. Right. So I I've been thinking about one of the ideas that I was talking about, I want to go again 30 seconds on this, but it's it's the idea of thinking about life in terms of best dynasty, rather than just as your own personal destiny, right? Because when people think about themselves, but if you think of dynasty, then your ideas and your family and everything else can have a real impact. because we're going, you know, what's best for us and this because this is about you guys. But then as leaders, it's about everybody else. And so when you know, why is everyone captivated by this is how it relates to them personally, how it relates to all of this stuff for them, but didn't relate to them wouldn't get their focus wouldn't get their attention at all. There's something can what's been portrayed connects to some power of either what they feel what's really, really important to them. And knowing that for your people is critical. So if there's something super, super important to your people, it's already here, but it's got to be important as the leader because it's important to my people. What you demonstrate Andrew, you know, like, I mean, a lot of this stuff up Oh, my God, I didn't want to read this stuff. But it's important, because it relates to that right. Rejection courageous one brother, huh? So what I originally wrote down was, because I really thought about, I was just like, what is it? And one of the ones I wrote down was hurting my loved ones. Which was one of a number of reasons a prompt, I suppose, for me to stop drinking. So I haven't drank anything since January 1 2020. And, and not that there was any inclination of that happening. But I just, I just went, if it kept going down. If it ever got to that I'm stopping now. I'm not even going to risk. I didn't even know. I didn't know, that was the reason. Wow. It was It wasn't the reason it was That's why I said it was one of many. Yeah, but it was. And, and hurting them is not necessarily physical. No, it's, you know, it's I time that my daughter was what, three, when I was making decision to give up alcohol. And it was just like, you know, she's, there's so much I need to do for her by being a father, that, I can't do that. Drunk. And, and a lot of those moments are going to happen after I finished work and having a drink at the end of work was a was a line for the end of the day. You know, it was a it was a single, it was a symbol. And it just meant I wasn't 100%. So I was just like, No, I don't want to do that. And when I think about that, if I did hurt my family, what is the consequence of that hurt would be rejection. And then I don't want that. But, but that comes also to speaking on stage. It comes to cold calling clients. Buy don't if if if it come if it's if if I'm connected? If somebody comes to me and has an inquiry, I'm, I'm good to go. But if it's about going out there and saying you're interested No, I'm not. I will pay someone to do that. Yep, so it's a big one. Because it gives me I guess if it links it to peace and everything else, it it's it's not comfortable. We spoke about this at the VA foundry so when we did this exercise at the VA foundry and I've got a list of fears here that some other people will have rejection was what was the biggie so if you've got a personal fear of rejection that's going to leak across the business, don't do your sales, get someone else to do sales. I mean, you're brilliant at marketing. I've seen your hotspots on your websites and stuff, get someone else to do the sales you you handle the conversation, prepare the proposal, give it to someone else to split the phone and do all that sort of stuff, right? But the reason we start with so now we've got this left and right of arc right just a simple little exercise that people can do is like hey, here's the here's here's the main thing that I want to experience to feel it's not mental health is emotional but it goes through and just a personal interview an item I asked Jesus about this one days I like Lord why do you always your greeting was always peace be unto you. It's like pretty Come on, bro. And he said to me, he's like, New Zealand response Hey, bro yeah I'm on friends on What if Jesus was someone you know with just how he would speak if he was someone you know? Because I mean taking religion out. I mean, Jesus just he still astounds me to have you just look at whether he's a fictional character and the greatest story book ever told his thought and amazing character. And if he's really never relationship with Him even better, but also what sort of grading is there? And he said to me, I've never forgotten he's like, look around the world deal. How many people have peace? That's clever guy. Alright, so pieces pieces, really important. Peace of mind. We got to put your head on the pillow know that your kids are happy, healthy and safe, that the mortgage is paid next month that they're not getting bullied at school. Peace of mind is elusive at the moment. And that's the gateway back into the mental health side is that peace of mind. And there's an old story of a of a farmer who was looking for a farmhand. And it was really, really busy farmers. It's just a story. And so this route now everyone that turned up with just wasn't suitable. And then he was running out of time to hire someone, and this crooked old man turned up. And he's interviewed all these other people. He's looked at all these CVS had all these reasons why I should hire them, and no one fit. So you just said to this old guy, Hey, listen, just give me one one reason why I should hire you. And he just looked at him and said, I can sleep when the rain pours. And the farm was like, Whatever, dude, like you're the last guy like any harder. And that night as a wicked storm, right? It's absolutely cats and dogs it's pouring down at stormy as it wakes the farmer up at two o'clock in the morning and he goes racing outside can't see any of the animals. He's like, What the heck's going on. So he goes and he checks all the paddocks, none of the animals are there, and he can see a lamp in the band. So he goes in the band, all the animals are in there, they're all nice and safe. He looks around the back of the band, his covers on all the all the food. Any goes to the back of the band with the old guys choruses is crushed. Sleep blocker rock. Because he went to bed of peace of mind, no matter what the storm was doing. He had things in place, he could go to sleep, total peace of mind. So for the mental health side, if we could just wash everything else away. I would just say for this side of things, mental health is regardless of what is happening in your life and around the world is that you have peace of mind. And the journey from where you are to peace of mind is the journey and finding those pieces along the way. Now when it's time to go for this process and so the crisis leadership side, how we do that as leaders is on a website crisis leadership co.nz That ebooks over there anything to do with this trauma and this mental health stuff. This is my gift to the no show, I've got the world's first good news trauma course inside the line Academy. It's five grand new this purpose. And I've got the VIP of mental health, we get your value. That's the three grand course. Anyone wants access to this because I want to honor someone here because this is our relationship with Jesus that we have. Proverbs 320 17 do not withhold good to whom it is due when it's within the power of your hand to give it. So if you go into the line Academy, click on any of those two courses when you go to purchase that you put p r o v three to seven. They're free. Just help yourself. Alright, um, I'm putting them all on the links. Yeah, yeah. That's about peace of mind. Yeah, you can even feel it now at this stage of the conversation. I was looking at your face you just like forgot, I mean? Yeah, I mean, I, I completely relate to what you're saying. And I've just got, I've just gone on the journey in a different way. And I feel as close as I can be, to be in a pretty good state of mind most of the time. And I'm okay with that. Because it's, it's hard. You know, one of the chapters I wrote in my book is Have you met your soul yet, and it says meditation where I met my soul. And for a long time, after that, I, I thought, well, she because it was a female, but without a face, she's too far away from me, I'll never I'll never be able to, to be that calm. And as it as the years went on, I realized I was moving towards her. Slowly every day, because I saw her and spoke to her in this meditation. And that that was one of the big parts for me of understanding that we need to be at peace with ourselves, you know, because we are at war with ourselves, you know, you see on people's faces, you know, and you're like, Oh, God, you know, it's horrible, to, to live in your body every day. And that's how you feel towards another person, you know, somebody else who's living a life that you don't agree with, or, you know, someone who's from a different religion, whatever, you know. And the reality is none. It doesn't matter how other people choose to live their lives, right? It just doesn't matter as long as they're not doing any harm in the world. So you're getting on the path, finding your path to the path, I think is it's a gift that your you can give the world and it's greatly appreciated. You're very welcome. But it's finding out those those pieces in between. And it's process. And so all we've done in the academy is put a solutions menu up there. There's a mental health solution somewhere. There's like 30 other people that have different lenses and filters on all this stuff. Johnson Yana Delft, they're all in there. So people can come here and listen to everyone go ah, that person and it makes sense to me. And then that that's your path to get that. So the wilderness stealing our focus crisis leadership is all about. It's all about focus, right as using the focus of whatever's going on to bring that focus back to the people, so they feel safe, and they feel valued. And then using that negative focus and everything else to put their back in the task to go through. So we've got a three day Crisis Leadership workshop that we run for organizations, because there was no modality for crisis leadership that existed until we wrote it. There's lots of different leadership styles, but there's no leadership that's designed specifically for a self qualifying definition of crisis. Combat in the military is not crisis, like comment to us is not crisis, it's work. It's about personal crisis, personal crises, or that or that sort of that there was no leadership modality for that until we wrote it. So we're not teaching people how to be leaders. Whatever leader you are, whatever style you have, here's a modality that you can plug on to the side, so that when crisis hits, you've got a framework to follow with your juice in the middle, and you get to roll it through. And one of the easiest ways to explain this is the buildup of pressure I was talking about, everyone's trying to spin plates, everyone's talking about balance, work life balance. And you Andrew, you're spinning these plates, while you're trying to give us a description of what's on the plate at the same time, right. And that creates a lot of pressure, if you're trying to spend the family plate and the work plate and the whiskey after work plate, one of those is going to drop and you're like I'm gonna drop in the family, one that one can do. And I can do this. When you take that spinning plate analogy, and you get away from balance, you get away from dichotomies, you get away from biculturalism, going Moskal, you turn those plates forward, and you cut the carbs on them and you join them together, then all of a sudden, no matter what energy comes in, they all spend together, they can all be in harmony, one can be on fire. But it doesn't affect the whole other side of things, get away from balance and start moving towards harmony, you know, physiologically within ourself of mental health, find where your peace of mind was, you know, and what stealing your peace of mind if the media stealing your focus, cut that away for a little bit. If this is important to you what the media is talking about at the moment, which is there's going to be something that comes out in the middle, it's super important to us, I mean, Anzac days coming up in those, that other party is going to be PTSD, again, events and stuff and veteran, this veteran that that's important to my tribe. So I've already put stuff in place, that trauma course is going to be free for my veterans that's going to be there. So no one's gonna be able to steal their piece, they can't steal their hope, because there's a solution. So that finishes off putting some hope through here, there is nothing that anyone watching this is going through. There's someone else hasn't been through and found a way through. And it's finding those people, and if you're going to help people of hope, celebrate solutions. The one person you don't have to talk about awareness with as the person struggling. Oh my god, did you hear a lot of businesses, you know, 17,000 businesses went out of business in New Zealand in the last two years 17,000 You know, who you don't have to raise awareness with one of those 17,000 businesses? They want a solution. What do I do now? How do I get to the next thing she'll do? I'm already feeling crap. I know why this has happened? What do I do? And that's where the process comes in. And that's why we put the whole Academy together. So no matter what you're dealing with, everything out here is freaking you out company. Right, we'll close the gaps. We'll keep all of that away from you and make sure you're safe and then we go through. We're only when your piece is in pieces get back together. i i apart from having to buy a bond now, which I feel like I need to do. I I got a question actually, Dion, by the way, first of all, thank you. Thank you for what you've been sharing. It's been it's been a really interesting no show. It's been a really, really good one. And I like how it's all think feel, think feel do what was the know? And but but that's okay. Now we do and but you've been saying along this this time as especially how you were focusing you're saying if it's not part of my three it's not part of my three things. I just know let that ball go straight through the keeper. What's the three for you? Right so the three for me is to be my best friend in the mirror. Like Dion stuck with Dion for the rest of his life those guys got to get along because I hated that dude. So if there's no enemy within the enemy without and there was no man. If you don't make peace with the mermaid, nothing else in life is going to work. So my first one is Dion and Dion got to be mates. We got to get on. We got to be our own best friend. And we were looking in the mirror and there's four hours of content Once either be confident my looks, my language, my likability, my legitimacy by a mirror Alright, what's next? We got a bond in the mirror so far, yep, we've got a bond, and I've got to be the best friend in the mirror. And then the next baby is in my family, I have to be prison. Well, I've worked away so long. And you say this out loud. And you look at yourself in the mirror, like, you know, what are you doing? You are working overseas, away from your family, doing what you love earning an income to provide for your family. So they have a lifestyle, we can all be together while you're apart. But hang on. So I've got to make peace with America first. And I'm going like, Hey, man, if I'm doing all this for my family, I should be with my family. You know, and one of those present moments is if I'm doing something on this laptop, and my kids come to talk to me, I go hang on, I close a laptop. My kids come in to talk to me, I'm closing their laptop. Well, I've only got two kids man, like, I will miss every opportunity and wish I had to close a laptop every single time for engineer, so I need to be Dion's best friend in the mirror. And then I have to be here present for my family. You know. And then the same thing for me it's as God's purpose in my life. And I'm not I'm not a Christian that's like, like a slave Christian, like, I'm a slave to God. I'm like, men, God's given me a gift. I got a big mouth and a big heart. And they're starting to align a lot better when I just used to have big mouth. So they have to align. And that's my purpose in the world. My purpose out there in the world is the line of chemists to create safe places where everyone is welcome. Black, white, straight, gay skier taught doesn't matter. There is no judgment. And there is no shame inside the line Academy there is absolutely ludicrous, acceptance, and you're safe. So you're going to feel safe, non judged, and then it's a training academy. Now, everything else can be learned. Or unlearned if we can do this together. And so if it takes a village to raise a child, Mr. village, the village is gone. So we create another villages, the differences, we're creating villages, that when you come to the village, these portals in there, so it's not three dimensional, four dimensional, it's like if you come into the line Academy, and you come under our protecting woman banner, which is one of our banners, I can help you if the trauma, I can help yourself the fence to heal a wound caused by a male, I need to connect you to someone else. So I've got Lisa Westgate, who owns the misfit hub, that's her village in Australia, so they can portal straight from New Zealand, straight across to another Academy. In Australia, Johnson Trump is now gonna save sapient candidate and portal there, Delphi is going to do something in Thailand portal over there. So all of a sudden, we're building this ecosystem, but portals and gateways of tribes of villages are putting that village back together. And so that whole side of things is that globally, local is everything that we've learned out here that we've done in Singapore, and what we're doing globally, bring that here to the neighborhood. I was a community cop here, 17 years ago, I'm now back down there grabbing gang kids that are fourth generation and taking them boxing here at home. And the differences. They now saw me on YouTube, that I saw your speech on YouTube, now I'm playing basketball with them. Because our kids have to see someone that looks like them that's gone to what's given them peace of mind, I live my life with purpose. Now my VIP have mental health value, identity and purpose, you will get your value from either identity, who you are or what you do. But we only ever assign it to one identity. So if all your value come from the identity of being a soldier for the purpose of going to war, now you get out of the army or the values of all your value has been a husband or wife and you get divorced or that value is gone. And so what's happening now as I see it as a strategic deconstruction of people's value, people just aren't worth anything. So that's why there's no piece that was freaking out. But it's lowering people's value. So when you understand where you get your value from, it's got to come from the mirror first, then everything else will fall into place for me and if you know what your three are, if it doesn't relate to that, or someone doesn't ask you to use one of your skills which Andrea that's like they look at this, look at that. But you just look at that so you can pull some stuff out you're cool. But as men we can't save everyone. You know you're called to serve we serve. So do what you can where you are. And if you can't help with something else we now know in our network someone else that can help with it. Hey, Donna Gunja Wagyu beef and investing I'm spending you're right in you're in the wrong country for that check. us on this office just like you You know what? Find what gives you peace of mind. Find your three things. Just focus on those. And if it gets overwhelming, reach out to someone else with their three links in with what you're dealing with. And then we will work together. Yeah. I love that the village, you know, I really admire how you've done that, you know, you've gone home, I remember you, I remember running into you at the Fullerton and you just be you'd be writing and writing and writing. And you're in this real, you read a really heady place as well. And, you know, every time I saw you, you'll kind of there was an energy in you. And it was an energy. And it was a it was an energy of discovery. But you weren't there yet. Right? Yeah. And so hearing you now you've, you've worked, you've got your model, and it makes sense. And now you're, you're committed to it, and that community mindedness, that's what I love. And, you know, Tim, we've talked about, we've lost the community, when listening to what Dion saying, he's building community, in the digital space, as well as locally, right. And so, I think, you know, and such still too many people, like, they still act independently. They don't act commit with community, they don't get behind their community that people who are doing great work, they don't want to be part of it. They're jealous of it. Or they're, you know, you know, because there's the fear in survival mode. Yeah, survival. And yeah, and the word selfish is become a dirty word. But that's the only way to survive. When you're in survival mode, being selfish is not a sin. You know, you don't have to be selfish to be selfless, right. So that's another way we can talk another time. And then there's the same thing with privileges, who decides that the advantage that I have over other people from the cars that I dealt was somehow something, you know, the difference? Again, this is me with words and labels. And it's, you know, I have a massive advantage that anyone born and Ben that this, I understand that I'm grateful for it. But you know, I'm not, I shouldn't feel guilty about that, or feel out the only speaking of a position of privilege, no, I'm speaking from a position of advantage, which I'm grateful for, that it's so easy to attach negative energy to so many things at the moment. And I think it's important that we either reframe it or just pop it straight away I am last little one I know upon over time, as I had a battle with some people in the disabled community. And I'd never heard this term before I posted this picture, which man gave me goosebumps, it was just so powerful. And it's a person in a swimming pool, next to the wheelchair, and they're standing on the water, just looking at their wheelchair. And the whole picture was just about, you know, you don't define my life, the environment that I end the fight, I was so powerful, and I got attacked for ableism. Because I'm not in a wheelchair, and I use the wheelchair and what I was always ableism because I'm able bodied, and I was like, I'm not having that. Now, if you want to have that as your label and your reality you have, I'm not. I'm having that as that as a powerful, uplifting thing. And I'm sure I can find people in wheelchairs that love that picture, which I did, of course, because so many people not gonna accept other people's labels on my life. I didn't care for 1000 people right here, there are 99 sheep again, bro. I don't care if 99 People say that this is flipping red, and I want it to be green, it's gonna be green in my life, because my life, I'm not gonna sit there finances labels that don't serve what we're doing. And that takes a lot of I think it takes a lot of work to get to that point. For a lot of people, I think, would you say took a lot of work for you to get to that point. It took a lot of work for me not wanting to punch those people in the throat for trying to tell me what to do in my life. That that was that was the journey for me because that's my training, right? You attack me, I tell you this, that go away. Now it's about a set the point where I'm going to make those decisions, but my communication and my boundary now is so much more respectful and empathetic. If you're talking to me from a position of pain, I can see that if you throw violence at me because you're hurt individual that won't trigger anything in me whatsoever. I can understand that I can let people hit me and be okay with it. To find out, they're coming from a position of pain or fear or whatever. If you're a bully, and you try and tell me what I'm supposed to do, and you try and manipulate me then there's a line on the front of this t shirt. Alright, that's that's there for a reason. That's from Proverbs 28 One, by the way. So I'm going to go about my life and do no harm to anyone else unless you try and hurt me and I'm going to stay away from it as much as I can. But freeing yourself from the prison of the mind of other people's opinions and expectations. It's and you got to get there. Yeah, you got it. You got to get there. Yeah, yep. I love it. I've been I've been writing a blog on expectations. After a recent experience. I think the biggest one of the biggest traps that if you are interacting with people, especially people close to you and every interaction makes you walk Feeling sad lost, angry, it negative feelings rain does that mean that means you've got an expectation it's going to that they should be different. And if every time you've walked away feeling the same, or variations of that your expectations need to change. Because when they live Yeah, they're not gonna change that they are who they are. And they're showing you every time and how you respond to that is is is where the damage gets done right. Yeah, and that's that's Winnie the Pooh. You know, Dr. zeal, he still got invited to everything tickets ticket annoying little guarantee dude. Like, he still gets avoided like everyone knows who everyone is. And then the cost that they're not putting there. No one wants to get your flippin bouncing around like Tigger on his tail, and no one wants to put it down. You know, it's that whole Winnie the Pooh thing was accepting people for who they are, you know, and don't just, you know, again, it's a choice and people can only operate out of fear and we know that that that old cliche saying, but listen, what you do, think feel do I say by the time it comes out of your mouth has already come through your heart for a year. You know, so a heck of a lot more forgiving. Now, Tim, because have been those people and you say you know what, a great keynote now you know, when your pieces and pieces. And one of my favorite things that I use recently, with a friend of mine who was suicidal is like, sort of like bro, you're not. You're not depressed, you're not anxious. You don't have a mental illness. Or you got a broken heart. Like, this is grief, you're in pain. And a broken heart is an open heart. You know, you don't do close heart surgery. Do you? Yep. Nice. Very nice. I love it. All right, we've gone way over time. We'll go way over time, and I don't think we've obviously got time for any of the other news. So why Allah they'll always be some hot, hot environment news to share and a couple big things that I'll share next week. Anything that you guys are doing to keep yourselves distracted? I think that's really important to finish with. What are you watching reading thinking about? Well, you're watching comedy right down? Yeah, yeah. Drew Lynch the stuttering comedian it Yeah, I love the intellect of some comedians how they string things that you like I really like yeah, nice. Joe. I find myself reading poorly written porn in a way where the characters get flipped around you know it's the it's supposed to be the the stepson becomes a stepdad and it's like, oh my god, it's just terrible who and it's it this context. Yeah, exactly. There's plenty of stuff where people think they can write something so you know, like 50 Shades of Grey was actually fanfiction. Right. So someone put together that and this is just you know, more stuff that's been written, you know, by by by has to be said amateur amateur writers. Trying to put together saucy content, and it's quite funny when it's done. Sorry, read a recipe book. Bernays. But But why? Okay, this won't be laid off. I'm discombobulated. Yeah, exactly. Well, yes, it would be a distraction. Yeah. Okay. Wait, so we're moving on. So apart from the bond now, and the other bits, I'm also buying a closed laptop. Because it's going to be a lot easier because if it's closed the whole time, you don't have to close it when your kid walks in. Now. I what I'm what I'm what I'm distracting myself now is his Christmas trip to Europe to see my brothers. Nice. And and you know, you know, the joy, the joy, of plot of planning a trip? Do you do you get that? Or do you just go somebody else do it. I don't want to do it. I spend days on it. I love it. I love the whole we could do this. We could do that because there's all this creativity and I love it. So I've done a bit of it. I booked it we've got the tickets to we start in Germany, we end up in England, come back and we start there. And it's it's a tour of castles and Christmas villages. Now that's kind of that's kind of what we're doing all the way to Christmas. And and in some way called when you live in a tropical island you fly cold for the winter. So we want to do that we want to have a white Christmas if we can find one and it's I'm loving that. Yeah, that's where I'm at. So I watched it King Richard the movie, Bill Smith. Yeah. Have you watched it? Yeah, no. It's a very, very, very powerful and emotional movie. I found it incredible when interestingly, his character in the movie constantly gets, gets a shit kicked out of him. And he never fights back. So that was the other contradiction that I found. With that moment in the movie. He was just with Rob to in the movie as well, you know, yeah, I won't read yet. Somebody needs to do what he goes to do. And what happens happens again, I missed the opportunity. Yeah, that was it. Was it very interesting. And also, I, I did watch Bridget and which is like, three, four nights, a couple of episodes a night. And it was lovely. This year was different to the first year. I love it, because it's just diversity on the flip of what I was reading, I guess, right? Yeah. But it's just diversity. You know? Oh, yeah, exactly. There's a little bit of fun. But yeah, I love it. Because it's like, The Queen is a black woman. Right, interracial marriages. And it's just normal. Right. And I love that. And I loved it first time, and I loved it this time around. But what I loved about this time was the real passion, the love and passion at the center of the story. And and yeah, it was brilliant. And then it was exactly what I needed this week. Exactly. Well, I think you're doing amazing. I mean, I don't know how you do it. And I mean, at the count Mazzi will say you're, you're probably purple brain on steroids. We can we can post all this information, but it isn't as important. You know, any of you have got to have the, you know, all that stuff that you've been through, you have to be able to D synthesize to a certain point. And you know, yourself you don't get yourself these tests, you shut down one emotion, you shut them all down, the lower that vibrate. And so it's really important, but please, please take a break. I don't know. Speaking of breaks, Andrew, are we taking a couple of weeks break? Yeah, we're gonna take a couple of weeks off now. So yeah, because we need to do that too. Right. I love when people take my advice and implement it immediately. It's like that's the fastest it's ever happened. So I appreciate it. Yeah, so we're about we'll be back on I think it's the 22nd of April. Yeah. So we have two weeks off, and then we'll have a big big break in the summer. Because we need to because this is intense too. Right, guys? Yeah. Anyway, Dion, thank you so much for joining us really appreciate it. We went in so many areas there but you know, that the the idea that you can have peace of mind and and really making that a goal, you know that the goal I think is it's it's important and it is achievable, it is achievable. But you know, you've got to do the work within it's all about doing the work within and find your find your paths you know, lots of different ways right? Find your B find find your cookbook but just just find someone that's that's been through what you've been through and out the other side is important but you don't have a pity party you want battle buddies to get through and out the other side right? And maybe that's a question anyone could ask at the end of this before you go to bed each night for for you know, the next week. Ask yourself a question. Do I have peace of mind today? Or did I do something that I have any peace of mind at all could have been for you know, that I see really happy parents at the shopping center at about nine o'clock when the kids are dropped off at school they just walk around and let the other love bliss of just wandering around, obviously, because the kids are at school right? They've got through the madness of the morning we will know that and they're walking around almost in this happy days. You know and you see each other in New York because New Zealand like them I like because you just you drop the kids off at school right here like that. That's all you have to you don't have to say any words. My kids are in school too. I'm just walking. Yeah, yeah. That's cool. All right. So guys, thanks so much. We're gonna we're gonna end the broadcast now but really appreciate everyone who's been here with us and commenting and we'll be checking those comments afterwards because we can't see see them all live here. But thanks thanks guys. Thanks for joining us and see in a few weeks Great reconnecting do really really good Peace Be Here you please be with you to Bala zone. Yeah, everything happens for a reason right? Sale by