The Know Show – theme, International Women’s Day, the frustration

Welcome to The Know Show. Another week of war and terror, and of course, we’ll be discussing the stories of the week around Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. However, as we’ve just had International Women’s Day, equality and why it’s so important, will be on the agenda too. We’re excited to have Denys Van Rooyen as our special guest this week, a news junkie who will bring a whole different perspective to the news, and Samantha Gayfer is back, filling in for Tim Wade for the next two weeks while he’s away. 

When we move into our theme - International Women’s Day, the frustration – we will be discussing the fact that equality has slipped back by a generation in the last two years, as well as the rising chorus from women frustrated with the day. Why continue to support it, when it’s not getting any better, in fact it’s actually getting worse? We’ll discuss the data, the frustrations, why break the bias is important, as well as the real need for 50/50 representation to tackle the biggest issues facing our world. 

The Know Show is a Livestream held every Friday, where Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade and Joe Augustin, with at least one special guest, review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters to all of us. 

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Hello, welcome to the no show. My name is Andrea Edwards. My name is Joe Augustine and sitting in for Tim, I'm going to lead let her introduce herself because I'll mispronounce Her name is Sam. Hey, Sam gave her a good, good, good, good. That's good to have you back, Sam. It's a pleasure to be here. That's actually sitting in for the next two weeks too, because Tim decided to go on a bit of a jolly to Australia, which you know, well overdue catching up with his family so well, if he doesn't trust his mom to have good Wi Fi, and what kind of son does that right? Yeah, it is Australia. Well, this is the the notion of the show that tries to celebrate knowing stuff and having an opinion and thinking about things critical thinking. So it's not always about just looking for the things that you already know, it's about opinions you might not have already. And we always try to bring on well, not just one guest on this occasion, but more guests so that we can have an interesting and diverse conversation. So the man that I bought to introduce, I can only say has, and he'll explain this in the moment as well. Has a lot of Cox around the house. Please welcome Denise for fun, Roy. And I think I've said it right. I know, Joe. Absolutely. It's thank you so much. And you're spot on now. Good practice and a lot of talks around the house. Yeah. No, there's a couple of chickens about and a couple of dogs when I take care. Right snakes and snakes you're, you've got to write. Yeah, no, no, I have to keep this nice about that. It's just fun. It's really interesting. Avi and I like the detail, you know, like the detail. For a quick one let, can you do an introduction? What would How would someone you know what, what does he need to know to know who you are? Yeah, no. So yesterday, you guys asked me to write a bio. And I phoned up in someone and I said, Look, man, I don't write a bio about myself. Basically, it's like there's I've been an expat out of South Africa for maybe about 20 years, maybe a little bit more by now. I started in retail, and subsequently, like I said, in the buyer, I saw the light at the end of the tunnel, and thank God, it wasn't a trade. And I started sailing boats. And I started selling boats and people would Miami to sell their boats to tropical paradise islands. And I'm fortunate enough now to live on a tropical paradise island. So yeah, that's basically Nemo. It's not really complicated or involve thing. It's all about easy living. So we've got a first boat captain. Yeah, sure. But also, you've been you've been watching the show for a few weeks. And you you you're someone who's really engaged with what's going on in the world. So we're really we're really happy to have you here. Oh, thank you very much. I like interesting stuff, man. I like to follow what's going on. Like I said, it's the details and the details is what fascinates me. You know why? Wow. Why do you do that? How do you do that? What's your thought process behind it? That's what it is. Scary. IB Dennis. You're not the first one to say that. So I mean, to quote a couple of bytes of mine. They like to say I'm very I'm very militant. I like to think about it more of I've got very fixed boundaries, very mixed opinions, but I'm open to everyone else's. It's not a judgement. Yeah, I don't Yeah, you've never felt close minded to me. While I tried to be sort of things I like about you do listen, but you also have interesting takes as well because you know, you were all four of us have grown up in very, very different ways with different influences, different backgrounds. I think that's what I find fascinating about these conversations, including the rest is in the background. Okay, yeah, sorry, I'll have to take one I'll take one because I can't Oh he's got to go outside and go I'm gonna cook one of you they appear to be terrible timekeepers because it's nowhere near the crack of dawn right now. It's not normally it starts at about three and funnily enough at about force three fourths and often it goes on but let me close this door give me a moment. I do wonder whether it's part of the the the Siemens you know, way where you're you're kind of open to hearing other people's conversations other points of view because you're you're literally stuck in a you know, in a location together, there's no getting away you sort of have to have a little bit of flexibility in terms of I guess, you know, appreciate appreciating other points of view otherwise you end up in like a Cape Fear situation. Sorry, I missed all the conversation all I'm thinking is chickens in Cape Fear. Y'all know it's scary as hell. Just wondering whether or not it's common amongst sea seafarers to to be maybe more accepting of different kinds of people because you're, you're always stuck in the same section. Anyway, so you have to be a bit more accommodating. This one isn't like yourself, maybe? No, yes, Joe, that's actually a very good statement to make man. And it's, it's, it's kind of a dichotomy of sorts, because you're in the situation, because you put yourself there. And in order to be there, you have to be accepting of whatever else is going on. You know what I mean? You can't stand fast to your traditions and your culture and your opinions and your mindset, and then expect everybody else to conform to it. So think about it on a on an old pirate ship. It's a very good example, an old pirate ship, and you have 40 people, different cultures, different nationalities, they come from all over the world. But regardless of any of that, you know, this guy believes environment, this guy believes in Jesus, this guy believes in his forefathers, I mean, you can go into details that will blow you away. But yet everybody is able to come together and lead their lives and get onto the boat and make sure the boat gets to the destination and village and do whatever they do to make success. So this is what I mean by the like button Academy. Yes, in order to be in that situation and achieve success, you have to be open, and you have to change your mindset. But in order to get there, you have to let go of what you are used to. And what you you know what I mean, I've been told for for the sake of this discussion, I don't think many people have thought about the idea of the boardroom in a pirate ship. But that describes it. Well, I think, Well, I've been in both the boardroom and the pirate ship is not the same thing. I'd much rather be in a pirate ship. I'm sure Sam has been involved in many, many marketing campaigns where the boat is the central and teamwork is the central sort of imagery that's used, you know, for teamwork, messages, leadership messages, all that sort of stuff. So yeah, yeah, classic being we are not all in the same boat. But we are all in the same storm. Yes, that's another one. Yeah, yeah. That's a good analogy. I like that. I like that. I just, and COVID. Because you have so many different people with different impacts, and everybody is in the storm that is COVID. But you know, someone's on a yacht, and someone's in a rowboat. So it's trying to keep all that in mind. Whenever we talk about it. Whenever you look at vaccine rollouts, whenever you look at people's perspectives is you know, what kind of boat are they in? Yeah, walk a mile in the shoes, man. Yeah. All right. Cool, man. Well, I was I was gonna say it and I, again, I apologize, I would have been running on three hours of sleep to some ways not arriving as asked for them. Now, I just think that we didn't introduce Samantha and I guess in what she's been saying, if you've probably got the idea for someone who's joining us for the first time, but would not have the background that she has lots of back a lot of experience in corporate communications, as she was alluding to in her comment just a moment ago. Alright, so the format is about talking about the news talking about things that are in the news. And for as you get the commentary, as well, on this occasion, very diverse, I think a very diverse background. And yet we're all in the same storm. So Andrea, let's let's hear about the storm. All right. But before that, we have to wish you happy birthday this week, Joe. Joe. Well, can you celebrate Happy Birthday Wishes was happy birthday. Thank you very much. I've been I've been 25 now for way too long. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want to be 25 You're 25 isn't as good as Joe at 53. Right. And I think if we cherry pick you You all know the different things you choose from different parts of your life. And I like to be as experienced as I am right now like that the patients will my dad was much older. But I love to have the physical stamina, the 25 year old. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. All right. So let's get into the news that struck a chord this weekend. I think one of the good news story that really stood out for me was they have found Shackleton's last ship in Antarctica. Isn't that a cool story? Did you guys have a look at it? Yeah, I mean, it's photography is amazing. And it hasn't broken down. It's it's really well preserved. It's, it's like it was cryogenically frozen. Yeah, yeah. And the comic time for the nicest appearance on the show. Exactly. When the email went around, I saw shackles was the first guy now it's exciting times man. Look, the basic issue is this guy went down to go and see if you can find a south pole these ship got stuck in ice and just in the beginning of the winter and as the winter progresses ship got crushed up and these guys had to escape then this was back in the day when warm clothes was foot and you were eating blubber you know seal fat while fat in order to get enough calories and or just to stay warm. So the fact that they found they shoved and you know at the end Find it as the endurance and all that is, is an amazing thing. It's a great thing for history. But the Achilles heel is this because it's protected under the optic conservancy law, they can touch a single thing on their boat, they can take as many photos as they want, but they cannot touch a single thing. So that's a bit of a downside, you know, but then they get to a point where they're able to explore it to enrich our knowledge and our rich history, which would be nice. But nevertheless, it's a it's a good fine line. It's really exciting. I like stuff like that. Yeah, but for me, I just add the environment layer onto this. So basically, the only reason they've been able to find it, because it was in such a inhospitable part of the attack of the Arctic, Antarctic, sorry, the past month has seen the lowest extinct of Antarctic ice ever recorded during the satellite era, which basically goes back to the 1970s. And that's why the conditions were unexpectedly favorable. So it continues to go, you know, we might, we might be able to get more, more girth. I mean, normally, that area is covered under sheet eyes, you know, it's a couple of, I don't know, let's call it a couple of meters of thick, so 678 1012 meters thick. And the wreck was found in three kilometers of water. I mean, let's not forget that it was three kilometers down. You know, basically intact, no woodworm infestation, very little oxygen down days, and nothing really rots. And lots of filter feeders on top of the rake, lots of sea life. And really cool thing, man, it's, it's an amazing thing. But unfortunately, that's about as much as I think they'll do. You know, it's not gonna be like Titanic, where some famous director takes his bow down and just takes it to pieces, and everybody's happier. There's one of those things. Can they get in and document it though? Like, are they actually able to go into the hole and actually at least photograph? Or do they literally cannot touch it? Well, Sam, that's a really good question. Um, you know, I'm sure that technology exists to make drones small enough, three kilometers down, attached by cable in order to swim through the holes and the portals and all that to see what's going on. But whether they're able to take samples of word or, you know, remove anything from the rake, as far as I understand, unrated, no, no, not really. So, you know, as the as the broad term is actually not allowed to deserve it. So, that's that. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, look, I remember you talking to me, I'm a button novice in this. Yeah, sure. But as I interpret that, now, it's gonna be very difficult to ask, but it's cool. They found it nonetheless. Yeah. Cool. All right. All right. JC I don't think you're a pirate ship might one day be a good analogy for functional world. Like, John asked me to keep an eye on the comments so that we can show them so that as we go through, alright, so let's get stuck into the the meat of the news this week. And the first thing that I really want to ask everybody is how you feeling about what's going on in the world? Cool, scared? Yeah, we're also dry earlier, when was the last time you guys put fuel in your goals? Or in your motorcycles or whatever? Right. Just in the last week? I mean, I've noticed that going up over the last year as well, like, Yeah, sort of 30% Higher? And, you know, that's, that's, you know, that's not an issue. But for a lot of people. That's a massive issue. Issue. So, yeah, I mean, the the impact globally and the rollout, which is, you know, the first focus I want to start on but yeah, I've been getting a lot of people reaching out to me just really struggling and sitting in a lot of terror and fear for the future. It's a hard time. Yeah, definitely. I think, you know, you did the podcast the other day about how you get through these times. And, and, you know, the piece where you talked about coming home to Steve and saying, you know, do we need to pack bags and go I mean, we're having the same conference, I said to Jay, I'm like, No, we need to go buy a farm in Canada. Like, we need to start learning how to grow some food and buy something somewhere where it's not going to flood. And, and we've kind of joked about it in the past, and it's not so much a joke anymore. You know, it's it's like my mom's a real estate agent, my mum find us a farm. Um, and that's, you know, you kind of just but it's scary that that is really where you're at. Yeah, that's where we're at. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do we need to make sure we got some cash in the safe if we have to move at a moment's notice? You know, because, yeah, I mean, we don't know what can happen. And I think that's, that's a very unsettling thing for a lot of people. And I also know a lot of people just aren't even thinking about it. They don't even want to confront it. You know, which in some ways, is even harder because it's, it's not like you can ignore it. But the truth is there. So yeah, it's pretty uncertain times. But the one thing you know, in that podcast are saying we can't sit in the fear of what potentially could happen in the future. Because it's just crippling to sit in that place, right? I mean, think about it like this. So you are a nationality of whatever possible job, you know, Australia, Hong Kong or Canada, South Africa for this matter. Sorry, I might be wrong with Hong Kong, but I'm just taking a swing. Yeah. I think Malaysia Malaysian Malaysian alright. So in. So you expected a different country and how things go, don't have a difficult, you know, you get sanctions, you know, it gets a little bit more expensive to live where you live, what makes you think that you're going to have an easier life returning to the country of origin? You know, it's a sense of safety. For us, it's literally geographical, like, if you look at the maps, Canada stands to be one of the last places on the planet that is inhabitable. So, yeah. You know, greatly, much just grateful that my kids have that passport, that we have that passport, that we have a path back there. But it doesn't, I mean, it's I just have to think about I mean, we literally have this summer like, Hey, do we get a big pot of land and build, like, a bunch of cabins on it? And then, you know, save for the people who we, you know, no are going to need to relocate. I mean, we have beautiful friends who are South African, we have amazing friends from Africa, like, I mean, they're, they're not gonna be able to go home. So, you know, do we try to build something where, you know, our version of Monarch? It's, it's crazy to be having those thoughts. Yeah. I just had a picture of Singapore styled, you know, HDB flats as a kind of get away in country, Canada. I mean, if you look at the future maps based on, you know, it being too hot to live or rising oceans, I mean, that is the sort of thing where we're going to have to be clustered in smaller spaces, and those obviously going going to be high rise sort of buildings to get as many people as possible. And part of the adaptation is actually preparing for that. And, you know, the refugee crisis, you know, 2 million refugees have left Ukraine this week. And one of my thoughts is, well, this is an, this is an opportunity to start building the refugee infrastructure that is going to be needed in the future, rather than continually not being prepared for it, because it's coming, right, more than half the world's population is living in areas that are at great risk of survival. So it's it, we've got to start getting prepared. And, and I know it's a scary thing to think about. But this, I mean, you guys know me, I've been thinking about this stuff for a long time. But we are now in a changed world. And we're not going back to what we left behind. It's just not. And I think if you can start to get your mindset around that and start sort of at least thinking about, what does that look like for you and your family? And, you know, we're, we're lucky, we've got choices. A lot of people have no choices, right. So it's not just getting ourselves ready. But it's also electing governments that are going to start to tackle the adaptation and be ready for the for the people that need help, rather than the desperate sort of situations that we continuously see around the refugees flowing out of and different parts of the world. And I think, you know, there was a piece I think it came up today in CNN and and about the impact of systemic racism in those refugees and looking at places like Denmark, who were sending Syrians back while the country was still being bombed, but have opened their arms to the Ukrainians. That's really, those are tough optics to be like, huh, these people who are more like us are welcome. But those people who are different or not, or the stories about the the kids trying to leave Ukraine who are studying there who are of African descent, being pushed off of trains and like, the reality is that migration that's going to happen is going to be people of color, in large swathes of the world. So we need to get our stuff together in terms of battling that systemic racism that exists that says, you know, European refugees are more valuable than refugees from somewhere else. I mean, that's a whole nother ugly side of what's going on. And we see that with the, the the not dropping, but you know, as the world focuses on Ukraine, I put something on LinkedIn about this the other day, because it was a beautiful piece from a guy who runs a refugee organization. Sasha something. And he said, you know, what I'm conscious of as I look at what we need to do to support Ukraine is how do we also not stop focusing on the refugees of yesterday, and the Afghanis the Syrians, the Ethiopians, the rocking, like, you know, it's just more. And so when you shift the focus, how do you make sure people don't stop thinking about the people whose whose situation we still haven't resolved? Yeah, that's, yeah. It's interesting, interesting point of view. So I mean, for sure, you don't have to forget the people of the past, you know, they are still suffering, you still have to push them through. And it for me, it ties in a little bit with the fact that the situation as it as it is now, the result could be a nuclear war, whereby that threat was not there before. So you know, everybody will be fine. You know, let's just keep on processing them. You know, they are fighting, they've been fighting for the past 12 years, no worries, you know, we've got a process in place, we've got procedures, let's just push them through. And all of a sudden, you've got, you know, Russia, what's going on, and they control over the North Korea, and China is definitely not going to be a peace broker. Because the thing that would be completely freaking is, you know, the detritus, generally, they just recently laid through the guys from the Ukraine to go and fix our children to Chernobyl. And the only reason they're doing that is so that they can keep on selling power. And because of the sanctions, they're not able to make money elsewhere. Speaking of the sanctions out oil embargos until the decision is made, you can still buy Russian oil, America's importing 20% of Russian oil, and it's a crude oil, and they need it for the distillation blondes down in Texas. It's a it's a it's a catch 22. Man. It really, really is. Yeah, all right. So I look, I totally agree, let's let's sort of go through some of the news items that have come up. And we can talk about and I'm going to start off with the food catastrophe as well as the energy hikes. But let's start with the food. So basically, this war is engulfed the breadbasket of the world. And there's a piece in the BBC, which is a really comprehensive piece called Ukraine war, catastrophic for global food. And basically, the story is that this is going to deliver a global shock to global supply and cost of food. And we've already started to see it coming. Russia and Ukraine are some of the biggest producers in agriculture and food globally. But Russia also and this is probably the piece that I think is really important. They also produce an enormous amount of nutrients like potash and phosphate. And these are key ingredients in fertilizer. And basically what they're saying is that, we're going to say, like the food, the amount of food that's available going down, but also the yields from the crops will reduce by 50%. So one of the experts said, It's not whether we are moving into a global food crisis, it's how large these crisis will be. So and then another point, another article in the intelligence Economist Intelligence Unit, basically, food commodities have gone off the charts. And I'm sure Joe's seeing that in his trading, but grains and vegetable oils are soaring. So if you need to stock up, it's a good time to do it. So just so you know, so Ukraine and Russia are prominent grain exporters, and they account for 30% of global trading wheat 17% of maize, and more than 50% of sunflower seed oil. Also, Ukraine supplies about a quarter of UK of the EU serial and vegetable oil imports, palm oil prices have hit record highs as well as people are rushing to secure alternative sources. And we know the history of palm oil, there's a lot of unsustainable palm oil in the supply chain. But then the third thing that the other side of it is, these disruptions are also going to adversely affect a livestock and meat markets globally. So we're looking at 40% sort of increases, and that's on top of 40% in 2021. So these are big, big and fast moving changes in the cost of food. Ya know, and Ray, you're absolutely right, it's gonna require lifestyle change in order to accommodate that. And this lifestyle changes, you have to consider it in cycles of what you've learned, but sorry, versus what you reap. So if you're going to want to get your own milk or you want to launch own vegetables, or you want to be self sufficient in some sort of way, how long does it take for something to go from seed to fruit? You know, how long does it go take if you want to grow cattle or lamb or goat or whatever, or ducts for protein, how long does it take to go from here to there? And anybody's thoughts now, I mean, their momentum you're looking at about six, eight months a year before something changes. You know, it's the same way with with the it's the same with renewable energy versus the The oil, the oil extracted from the ground. Yeah, I do sound like I'm jumping on the bandwagon. But I'm quoting Elon Musk here that said, in order for us to achieve success, the countries you have oil as that resource, you need to release it. Renewable energy is not something that's going to take over overnight. In order to get to the same level of production, you know, there's a period of production involved, manufacturing the equipment, doing the resources, putting, installing whatever you need to install. And for us in order to achieve that right now, because of what's going on. And I mean, as Russia's oil and gas exports affects something like 30% of the world's total consumption, it's ridiculous amount. The act but it's not gonna happen overnight, the countries we have access to these resources, release them and not keep it at$100 a barrel, as I heard earlier, this is going to stay like that for the rest of the year. Are you kidding me? $100 a barrel. I mean, nothing is gonna change. So release that. And focus on the renewable energy, whatever, you know, your your, your flavor tags. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, the supply and demand and the increasing costs. It's just, especially you know, from a food perspective, right, this is this is the stuff that creates revolutions. So you know, the potential for it to destabilize the world. And a tiny, tiny percentage of people are going to make a lot of money out of these increasing price of commodities, but at the basically at the expense of a peaceful world. So I'll give you an example. And this, this isn't because of Ukraine, it but it's all going to be interlinked. So a story broke this week in Reuters, that hundreds of bakeries have been shut in Sri Lanka, because they've run out of cooking gas now, so it's nearly 1000 have been shot. And basically, the reason that they're running out of gas is because Sri Lanka is, has dwindling foreign exchange exchange reserves. And this is where the majority of developing countries are right now. So you know that Sri Lanka is experiencing the worst financial crisis in a decade. And their exchange reserves are shrunk by 70%, which means the country is struggling to pay for food, medicine and fuel. And they're expecting the 90% of the bakeries to close for good if this is not sorted out soon, and bread prices have doubled. Now, rice is the primary product in in the diet of Sri Lankans. But bread bread is also an important part of their diet. But this is the sort of stuff we're going to see going around the world, you know, in the Middle East where wheat is like one of the primary basic food commodities. You know, we I'm actually quite frightened about that side of things, you know, the real hungry people don't stay quiet, and neither should they. So, you know, maybe this is a chance to show that our current global economy is so fundamentally flawed. And it's, you know, we've banked our existence on it for a few decades a few centuries now but maybe this is the time to say well we're at it we need to change this because we need to change it anyway. Well, this is the kind of horrible person that I am but I was thinking intermittent fasting for everyone you know, when I was thinking about the either the price of oil and some of these other commodities I mean yes, I understand a lot of it is you know, for for for necessities, but I I couldn't help thinking about how Singapore is and by the way that that's where I live you know, Singapore has certain things about which which should mean that the consumption for this that or the other should go down my sob the example is actually for cars right? I mean, we have all these certificates of entitlement we have these extra taxes, whatever it is, basically, a car in Singapore is usually goes for about the same price as I would say two or three homes further out in the country in South Africa. any other country in the world? I think it's just that crazy right? But yet we consume it. So I think the the world has this addiction as well to oil I mean, we talk about you know, how we use it, it why it will remain at$100 is because, you know, I heard this commercial a long time ago, which I thought was brilliant. It was a ski resort that said that you know, during the highest season we charge more and why do we do we can certainly those who have been keeping oil in reserve haven't been doing it because they just want to keep it right it's it's it's for this kind of situation where there's a rainy day, but there's also an opportunity in here so this this is their moment I mean oil goes through its its ups and downs as well. There are times when oil is so doing so badly that the industry itself can't survive. It's not not as viable. And now you know, it's just one of those things. It's the back end demand will keep the supply Going out as as, as comfortably as they can they want to maximize the gains in the short in the short to medium term. And we continue to demand it. And people will we will. Yeah. And we I mean, Canada is a great example of every time there's a holiday weekend, gas prices go through the roof. Like no you'd use expect it, you're like, Oh, well, I better get my gas at the beginning of this week, because by Friday, the price is going to be up by a buck and a half. And, and yet, everybody's still goes to the pumps. And they still put the gas in their car to drive to their cottage. So yeah, it's the opposite. Well, the haves will keep having and the have nots will keep starving. Yeah, it reminds me of one of these memes I saw in the week where it says, Why don't you take your girlfriend slash wife out on an expensive date, and everybody gets dressed up and get in the car, and they end up at the gas station? I think, Denise, that comes back to you know what you were talking about with the you know, the threat of new killer, you know, that's grabbed everybody's attention with Ukraine, but that is also the global inequity. Right, then the powers that have nuclear power? are not, you know, that's not happening in Sub Saharan Africa. It's not happening where, you know, so you're still dealing with this elite game, that that is, is pummeling the rest of the world. Yeah, I know. You say lead game, but you know what, whatever they do will definitely affect the rest of the world. You know, Africa is a massive producer of cobalt and various and rare metals. If you go out to the western coast of Africa, you get a lot of rice, you get a lot of grains, you go down to the southern Africa. And back in the day Zimbabwe and Malawi are watching we call it just north from Malawi. It wasn't what it was the same. It was called the breadbasket of Africa, you know, comparable to the Ukraine. And what happened, they absolutely destroyed those that not just the country, but the countries around what happened with Zimbabwe with the currency, right? Like, yeah. Don't you don't like wheelbarrows full of cash to buy a loaf of bread? Yeah. But yeah, I think, you know, for my big takeaway, there's the the economic infrastructure of the world needs to change. And we are once again being shown proof of why it needs to change, but from the oil and gas perspective. So there's a piece in The New York Times called How much will the US ban hurt Russia? Did you guys have a chance to have a look at that one? Yeah. So I thought, I thought this is interesting. So they basically talking the turbulence for Russia's oil and gas industry is just because just began, it's become toxic to many buyers. But as we know, most of the countries who are saying they're not going to buy it, it won't actually matter until the end of the year, Russia provides about 10% of the world's oil and gas. And the belief is that they're going to focus their sales on Asia, obviously, China is at the top of that, the thing is, China doesn't pay as much as European countries pay for the oil and gas from Russia. And in the past, the oil and gas has come out of the Siberian fields and some other sort of older operations. And that's what turned Russia into an oil, you know, giant, but the new fields are being developed in the in the Arctic, and it's notable for their harsh operating conditions and higher costs. So will China be willing to pay the higher costs to extract the oil and gas from the from these regions, and I think that's one of the things like, you know, everything's everything's up in the air. But regardless of all of that, you know, you're about to face or he's facing higher gas prices, regardless of all of that. The opportunity now is for Europe to say, right, let's make rapid progress, and get get the oil and gas out of our lives and get renewable, renewable energy in place, because that's what the world needs anyway. Right. So it's an opportunity as well, that renewable energy is the way forward Absolutely. That all oil and gas thing as this article I saw earlier, it until a decision has been by the regulation is not enforced, meaning that until we decided, okay, the sanction is now inflation is going and you can still buy gas and oil from Russia, you can still do that. I mean, out of out of northern Canada, essentially, you know, north of Saskatchewan up to the Oh, that. That's an ice road trucking with a TV show on Discovery Channel that everybody sees. I mean, this is a good example of that. These are diamond mines and oil and gas mines that are only accessible during the wintertime during the summertime, they are flying choppers over but yet they are still able to produce products enough to justify profits in order to operate that facility. So in, in, in scan in, in Scandinavia in northern Russia, what's Siberia and all those type of places moving into to the Arctic Circle. And that's been happening in Canada for decades. It's it's not a new thing. Yeah. But the talent of the foreigners have been a pretty active part of that. Right. And so now all of that talent has left. So in, which doesn't mean that the Russians don't have the talent to do the jobs. And they can certainly they certainly born into a country where they can cope with the weather extreme small, but this is still, like, territory that, you know, it's like they found Shackleton ship, right? Yeah, it's that well, territory. You mentioned talents. And I read on BBC, and, you know, whatever you can get on YouTube, and all those other places, then you use facilities, that certain universities in America and Canada and England, France, so you know, European, the EU countries, the NATO nations, they are opening up their channels for educated people and people are well studied in order to leave Russia or Ukraine for that matter, come over and settle in those countries and share the knowledge and stuff that so yeah, absolutely. That's how Canada was built. The opposite of Australia. How fun is that? Well, thank you very much. I know. I can count on one hand, the number of second generation Canadian kids that I went to school with. We were all the children of immigrants, all of us. Yeah, sure. Oh, that data? Absolutely. Nobody go in? Oh, no, no, no, go ahead, you trace, I trace my back in the day, we trace our family tree back in South Africa to 1741. And this makes me a seventh generation South African to think about it is actually crazy, a very relative short history. But a lot has happened in that short, small amount of time. I think one of the pieces that I thought was so interesting, connected to the oil and the situation in Russia was was the relationship between China and Russia. And the piece that was written on helping the world understand that everything that's made in China is made with Russian oil. So everything that you think you're still going to be able to buy from China off of Amazon, or whatever, all of that is being produced off the back of Russian oil. So whatever happens there is also going to impact that entire production process. And that's good leverage with China because, you know, they're certainly protectionist against their economy. So that is the only thing that actually made me think, Okay, this isn't like the East Meets West, and it's world war three, is there are still a number of really imperative reasons for China to keep Russia in check. Yeah. And that, that, I think, honestly, was the most heartening thing I read. I mean, you wouldn't think it when you look at the headline or reading it, but really, it was like, Okay, this is, you know, there's some there's some rationality to them keeping this contained. Yeah. Well, it's like, it's China. China's in a very favorable favorable position, right. So between China and Russia, they've got some sort of influence, you know, be or be it financial, or whatever you want over North Korea, North Korea has got the ultimate disclaimer. Yeah, leave us alone. We are, we don't want to hear anything from you guys, you know, shut the hell up. And they just do what they want to do and they make their own decisions, but they finances come from forced laborers, all of us know, in Siberia and in Russia and logging camps and construction camps, you know, they they get shipped all over the world to do what they want as far as Poland's and the Ukraine and short Slovak and all that and all that cash money gets funneled straight to to North Korea, and they get to do whatever they do. Now, when it comes to China, China can really interfere in Russia's business and Russia is under sanctions right? So they are now trying to use Russian Chinese credit cards and the Chinese financial system in order to get the various nationalities all over the world their banking system you know, keep it running keep the 600 billion that Wilkins got put back or whatever the number is, you know, keep that keep that running. Now if you look back in the in the history of China's Sri Lanka is a very good example Sri Lanka needed some money. They approached China China said you know, we'll give you this loan which is an exorbitant amount but as a as a what you might call it as a balance. You have to give us one of your boats. So as far as I'm speaking now, China owns Sri Lanka's Main port. So anything that goes into Sri Lanka come through China, literally, and this in the continent in the subcontinent. So think about it. So Russia has got diamond mines that good golf fields. Yeah, exactly, exactly. I mean, it's I Africa, in Nigeria, Ghana and all that they've got the same thing. So now they go into Russia, they say, okay, Russia, you look, you've been involved. But yeah, we don't care about the rest of the world, they were China, we they can come do whatever they want, we stopped our exports, everybody stopped getting TVs and off, you know, it's very simple. So you will give you all the money you want. But then we are interested in that gas field over there. We want that diamond mine over there about the gold mine down there. And just for security, you know, you've got this little wheel thingy going over the A, and I'll just keep on that view. And all of a sudden, they take over production, they took a transport that truck the selling of it, obviously, the terms are such that Russia will never be able to make it. Every single country you think you're right now Sam is under the same thing. You'll ask me that. Yeah, I can't imagine. I can't imagine that Russia would if they do, and they're forced to sign into that. Obviously, you know, there's no nonsense percent of the world's nuclear weapons are between Russia and America, right. At some point, Russia is gonna say, well, we're not putting up with that from China anymore. So the countries that China has succeeded in tend to be militarily weaker countries. And poorer countries, whereas Russia, like just just seeing what Putin is doing now, and wanting the Russian might to be back on the table. And then at some point, if they do accept it, it's going to turn the relationship sour. So yeah, yeah. And I agree, I agree. It's a delicate situation. It's like this article early on, if anybody thinks that China will be in a position to negotiate the peace treaty, so to say all the no fire, whatever, you know, that's a very naive thought, because they can do as long as they don't do that. China wins. As long as they don't do that. Whatever they decide they want. So this is something for them to avoid. Yeah. Oh, I say when China takes its eye off the domestic ball, it always loses control of its country. So I will be surprised they also change that they also may also don't want Russia setting off on Nuke though. So no, at some point. They need to stop it. Yeah, yeah. Well, then it's done in North Korea yesterday, the day before just says the Intercontinental Yeah. Yeah, come on. Come on. Sorry. You're gonna say something tonight. I was just gonna say. Article really worth reading in the hill is a shift to clean energy with hot Russia, Russia's Petro thuggery and more. And this is really talking about, obviously, the politics and the history of the oil and gas industry and how they blackmailed the world. And, but what they're what they're doing is the big oil is now making lots and lots of money. And also, they're leveraging the credit crisis to call for new policies to expand oil and gas production. So there's another there's another side of the story that's going on in the background that I don't think people are really paying attention to. But if we did manage the shift, where the real focus was on renewable renewables, which tend to be a national, local, even, we have an opportunity. And this is where we're moving. And I know a lot of people still think it's a fantasy, but this is, this is the future where we need to head towards because we need to take this this crisis out of out of the world, especially when it comes to fossil fossil fuels, because they're holding us. They're holding us to ransom really. Another article on oil and gas is the link between Putin and climate change. I really want to encourage everyone to read that. And then the human toll and environmental devastation from rushes war. So if you guys haven't seen this, the the prosecutor for the International Criminal Court is already on. It's already started. It's already ongoing, but they've also been given authority to bring charges for damage to the environment. And I think I, as far as I know, that's, that's a first. So it's any damage to the environment that is widespread, long term and severe. So environmental impacts of war include the release of toxic materials into air, water and soil from crumpled buildings. So we're seeing that all over Russia, in peds sanitation systems, exploded pipelines and had damaged industrial facilities like fuel and chemical storage. And I just saw that for Yes, exactly. But I also saw another night that there's a Ukrainian science, a scientific lab where they have pathogens and viruses that they're studying. So they've been asked to destroy that lab in case the Russians get hold of it. We also saw that there was all sorts of chemical warfare that Ukraine was ready to launch, which you know, anyway, but the other thing is that they're worried that the Russians will target target Ukraine is hydroelectric dams, as well as toxic mine tailing dams and hazardous waste storage sites. So there's some there's some big, big, big environmental risks in the mix of these cities are getting the attention it should. And to me, that's one of the bigger, bigger concerns because it's really long term. Did you have a look at any of those ones? Yeah, no war is brutal man war is resolved. You know, you know, as the saying goes, you know, everything is fair in love and war, you know, was really told out of a attacker point of view to target those facilities is very beneficial for you because of the disruption that goes out of a victim point of view toward being those facilities being targeted. Yeah, no, man, that's cat in the analysis, it's, it's the worst that could happen. There it is, sorry. It's got, please. Sorry, the conflict in the exclusion zone is the thing that bothers me the most about that, like the the disruption in the Red Forest and the I mean, like, and that most of the world, I mean, a lot of people just don't even know about it. So you have all of this highly radioactive soil that is now being disturbed and sent up and out into like, like, and there is some times where I just want to shake or slap people making these decisions. Because if you make the entirety of the Ukraine radioactive, through your occupation, you have achieved nothing. You now have a radioactive country that you are in charge of well done, that nobody can occupy that can't produce wheat, that can't produce all of the things that the world and his economy needs. And I mean, Canada's the land of natural resources, I totally understand that Ukraine has natural resources they have their eyes on it's got nuclear reactors, it's got all those things. But none of those will matter if they're all contaminated. It's the goal completely desert country. Just exactly. You can't say exactly. Well, first of all, to exactly, to destroy it and show what you're capable of doing. Right. So the story that Sam's talking about, there's a title 18 inside climate news, it's Shinobu is not the only nuclear threat Russians, Russia's invasion has sparked in Ukraine. And it's talking about the Red Forest. And basically, because this forest is so contaminated, it's also got a lot of Tinder. So nobody's been in the forest. And if, if that catches on fire, it's not just going to be dangerous for the Ukraine. The nuclear pollution could go wherever the wind takes it. So that is a real risk. And there's 15 other reactors that are running elsewhere in the country that are also at risk. So the nuclear conversation wasn't as prevalent this week, though. Right? Did you notice that there wasn't as much talk, as it had been in the first couple of weeks? Well, I was I was thinking about the nuclear thing and thinking about how nuclear weapons can be used, right? If you think historically, when and they've only been used twice, and both times by America, and it was for the purpose of convincing a country to stop fighting. Right. So the dynamics of how nuclear weapons might be deployed now. I, I, this is an area that's never been if a weapon is fired in aggression, it'll be the first time ever. And the question also is now what what do you do with that? Because it's the the idea has always been and the thinking has always been about, I have one so that you want. Right, and it's not it's never been the other way around that I'm prepared to use it. So that's the that's the that's the situation that we have. So I don't know whether there is it? Are we are we in a situation where we really can't contemplate this is something that can really happen as in like, do we do we really take it seriously? Or do we just kind of go like, not card because it's so unthinkable? You know, I was thinking about how the world was before 911. People weren't prepared to think that a plane would be flown into a building. Right? It just, it just wasn't a thing. And I mean, I remember when I heard about the first tower, and I was in the media industry. And I heard rumors about it. And they some of them said they were investigating whether it's a terrorist situation. And I said, No, I just can't it can't be this is this must be an accident. And then the second one goes in. And then I found it interesting that after that, every plane that went near a building, I was thinking, Oh, no, I hope it doesn't, you know, it was it. It changes the way we think about things. So I'm really, I'm really wondering if there is a way that we can play out the moves of a nucleus Attack, can anyone launch a nuclear attack? I mean, the whole point is mutually assured destruction, right? So so who can move right? So it's a it's a chess move that isn't playable. So the the conversation around who is really going to ever launch a nuclear attack, it was always going to be a rogue state, rogue actor, India and Pakistan, that was always seen as the highest risk of two countries potentially setting off nuclear weapons. And that was a report I read years ago. And, you know, it was such a small amount of nuclear weapons that needed to be launched before. You know, I think we talked about it last week with global warming would increase to eight degrees and basically with nobody can survive that. Cockroaches might do it. And I suppose the question in the mind is, in all of our minds, is Putin saying this stuff, right, he's expressing, I am willing to use these weapons. And we don't know if he is or not. And I think that's the thing when it came down to the line, would he use them? And I, because there's so much confusion around him and his mental state. And, you know, there's 50 different opinions on who, why he's doing what he's doing. And we're all trying to work out well, who's right and who's wrong? And we don't know. And that's, I think that's where the, the fear and insecurity about the future comes from, because we just don't know, we don't know what he's capable of doing any seems capable of doing anything. That's I think the problems, right? The problem most times is that we're very, we're very poor, judges, one of ourselves and then others in terms of what we do when we are in a heightened state. And we've all I don't know whether you have, but I'll speak for myself, I've caught myself doing something where I'm like, Wait, hang on, I, I don't do this. Right. Because you're pushed to that point. I was thinking about it when Sam was saying, having this this shake and slap and I was thinking only a mom feels that feeling right. Know what I'm saying? Timeout until he has thought about what he has done and consider the consequences. Yeah. The process of reparations. It's the it's the better side of us, that actually prevents us from doing the shaking and slapping. I mean, that's really the fact that the days when you just go like, I want to do something, you know, when I think about it, maybe again, I could be just exposing myself to here. But there are times when I read a story about someone acting violence killing somebody else. And I go, like, I can kind of understand, you know, and I think with with Putin, it's about, it's about the length of the story. I think most of us think about it. Today, I arrive at work, and the situation was like this, how would I react? Putin has been at this for a really long time. And if you were to look at what, if you look at the litany of sins committed against Russia, and maybe against the legacy of Russia, the West has a lot to answer for, you know, in terms of what it said it would do or wouldn't do. And in the end, what they what they did. So, I think a lot of times Russia has been despite, you know, Russia has moves from superpower to punch line. And there's only so much sometimes you can do, especially if you've been especially if you've been the captain of that ship for a while, you know, if you are, if you weren't the person in charge, you didn't feel so connected to it. You might not take it as personally, but this is a this is a long time coming. You know, I mean, it's not a, it's not one of those things that happened just today. I love that the superpower to punch line, and I think I think it's but then you know, he's had 20 years leading the country to turn the country around and bring it into into its fullest potential, and he hasn't done it. So, you know, this idea that he deserves respect, because he's the leader of this amazing country, which I do believe Russia is an amazing country. But the people are still struggling to survive. He hasn't maximized the opportunities, he hasn't prepared the country for the future. He's still banking on fossil fuels as the economic savior of the country. I mean, he he's gotten so much wrong as far as I'm concerned as the leader of the country. And I think that's you know, like the answer to the to the challenge that we all face right now is the people in Russia rising up the only way we can stop this from what I'm saying is the people rise up and I hope they do and I know that people are suffering terribly for protesting but it the more and more and more people that stand up and go out into the street the greater the chance that we do have a vending this because you know, we saw those negotiation in Turkey with the Ukraine Any, and the Russian Foreign Minister has no chance they're expecting the Ukraine to, to what he call it call a ceasefire, surrender. Crossing the Ukrainians are not going to do that. We've got all of the European and American leaders meeting and beside this weekend to talk about what they're gonna do. I mean, you know, but the reality is the answer to these four is always within the country where the problem lies, and that's the people of Russia. And, and then, you know, I've been reaching out to my friends in Russia, and then they're not in Russia, but Russians in the world. And they're, they're having a terrible time people are talking to them so badly. They're, you know, they're, they're treating them like shit. You know, this isn't Russian people doing this. This is Putin and his cronies and but yeah, it's the only chance we got sorry, Denise, you want to jump in? We'll go into the business good. Yeah, no, look, it's an Android. It's it's one of those cases whereby everybody else is suffering because of somebody else's indecision, right. It's it's common throughout the world, you can be equated to first of all countries like America and Britain and all that that's let's call it the Brexit, let's call it any lightest vibes in the USA, you know, everybody suffers because of somebody else's else's inequality, but or a decision about inequality. I've seen a lot online about the Russians not agreeing what's happening in Russia, they are outside in the UK. They are in France, they in Thailand, for that matter, you know, wherever pick your country, expats. And these expats are trying to communicate with family members and friends back in Russia. And the stories they give each other are not matching up. And nobody's willing to concede to each other side. Meaning that me being a son for the sake of this discussion, I'm talking about that and Russia and saying same loaded, what else is happening over there? And then he says to me, no, no, no, no, no. Look, this was all over as a propaganda. Right. So this is what's happening. And this is what we believe, because the sort of what we see. So you send the back saying, Look, well, no, this is from the front line, you know, you give the DoD evidence, and yet it's still not. And it's gotten to a point where there's become a division between these people and all the people who are expats living outside and receiving free and open use and information sources versus the people who stuck in Russia, the Ukraine, for that matter. I mean, it people trying to do good. Well, I mean, uncommon courage, for me is about people trying to uncommon courage and go beyond something. Finally, Vladimir Klitschko will definitely be a heavyweight boxing champion of the world, him and his whole family. And they signed up to go fight for the Ukraine that Ukrainian and off they go. This guy is selling his gold medal to the to the Olympics that he that he won, he put it up for auction, somebody paid a million bucks, but they look bites, usually middle back, he has a million bucks. I mean, this is the type of influence you have way by him in Russia. I'm going to say something now, and I don't know anything about it. But I'm going to take a risk. I'm rush, I'm sure none of that's happening. None of that's happening. Well, they didn't even think it was happening. I mean, the fake news and the propaganda, you know, like they are literally getting information that there is no war in Ukraine. And it's and it's all bull and as military operation. Yeah. And the Ukraine, Ukraine is ready to invade Russia with chemical warfare. So they're getting a completely different perspective. But the narrative as well, that sorry, I hate for the idea that someone at that very moment joined joined the stream, and then they heard that. Yeah, I spoke about garbage. Now we have someone who's just commenting now and because I'm not sure exactly when it was his comment came in, I'll just accept that it was for everything we've been saying so far. Makes a lot of sense, guys. Take it, take it take it away. It's coming from by the way. All right. So just just just quickly sort of capture some of the news from a business perspective within more than 300 countries that have withdrawn from Russia. But one of the one of the pushes in the Ukraine leadership of asked is for Russia to be completely unplugged from the global Internet. And there's this group called ICANN, which stands for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. And basically they're in charge of internet governance. If you've been in the technology industry, you know, I can for everybody else, you'll have no idea what they are. But basically they've said an emphatic no. It's one world one internet, we've seen China's build their own sort of internet behind closed walls. And, you know, for me, it's you start taking the internet out and it the information war is a critical part of the fight that's going on right now. And if you take it away, we're depriving the people all over the world but especially in Russia with a tool for sharing information. Whether we agree with that information or not is irrelevant. It's going to set a dangerous place. President and, you know, security and privacy in the future, but I think we need to keep the information channels open. So I do agree with that. And but you know, so tick tock, if you've got a rush, if you're a Russian user on tick tock, tick tock, you're not allowed to post? And I, I don't know, I don't know if that's the right choice, you know, then we saw just today Facebook have announced that you can say, down with the Russian something, and that won't be banned as hate speech. So they're kind of change the hate speech rules for this time, you know, so there's some, there's some stuff going on. I'm not necessarily convinced it's the right stuff. I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on that seen any of that? I think Dinesh you saw the one right. How crazy is that? I mean, Facebook takes an incredibly strong stance against anything being said to whatever is happening in America and the presidential elections. And, you know, you spread I don't want to spread across the board. And all of a sudden, they said, and they use this quote in that article, if I'm not mistaking over memory correctly, down with Russian bosses or something like this. What if I interpret damage? It was done with biters. Exactly. I mean, what on earth? Facebook's also? Yeah, no problem, you can go ahead and do that. If it's directed to Russia. Yeah, I mean, what the, we need to be careful. I think there's a lot of pressure and I don't think, I think, you know, responding to the pressure and being seen to do the right thing to be in, you know, in alignment with the world and what we're doing. You know, we didn't we need to do everything we possibly can. But I think there's a there's there's a line and information channels need. They're important. They're really important right now. Yeah, yeah. You're gone. You can't speak bad about Russia at all, you can say a single bad word about Russia. But you can say every single bad word you want about Australia for that data, use everywhere new vocabulary. And I mean, this is the same, it's, it's insane. It's absolutely insane. This, the double standard is mind blowing. Yeah. I was gonna say in terms of like, trying to try to police. It's always very difficult. I always think that civility requires sometimes unstability, right, you need to do to make it happen. So this is the kind of thing that happens. We are trying to balance something we're trying to, you know, to allow people so to speak on on the so called good side of things. When when you feel that you're on the right side of history, then you kind of feel a bit more empowered. And I just recall things I said as a child, which now I'm pretty appalled. I did, because I just felt I was on the right side at the time. You know, yeah. The right side. I mean, I again, how my crazy mind works, right? I was just thinking about how at the time there was some people who are pretty cool, pretty happening and then thought, you know, yeah, hitless, you have good idea, you know? All right, I just want to, I just want to finish with one story that I didn't, I didn't have a chance to send to you guys. So I only picked it up today. Joe and my friend Eugene, we shared it. So Joe, you might need to help me with the name of this minister. So senior minister Tarman Sian, common common Shanmugaratnam, they don't easiest. So anyway, it's called how countries can respond to a perfect long storm. And I really want to encourage everyone to read this. I'm going to share it in my weekend read. So one of the perspectives of international politics that I always listen to is the senior is the Singapore politicians. There's just there's a different cont there's a different time because it's an Asian country that is in Asia, but it's also strongly allied with the West. So they are the diplomacy. And the language for me is always I believe, it's always very powerful and worth listening to. I'm not saying they get everything right. But it's he's talking about five fragilities, right. So obviously, number one, Ukraine, and he says, so it's a transcript of his speech. But I'll just capture just a couple of points that I thought was really important. So number one, there is no realistic prospect of a trajectory. There. We have a trajectory with a good outcome coming out of the wall, or that leaves any major country better off than before. It is only a question of how bad the outcomes will be. The situation will likely get worse before it can get better. But none of the trajectories is going to lead the world to a better place. Pretty powerful, right? Number two, inflation. beyond Ukraine itself. It is the ramifications for the world that we should be most concerned about. And we were talking about that earlier. It's already begun. Number three climate it is no longer possible to make the adjustments needed to tackle the climate crisis without ensuring energy security. The Ukraine war has forced that with been talking about it. Now before global health security, a real challenge that we have to prepare for the pathogens are coming. The risks have been accentuated by global warming, the loss of biodiversity deforestation, and increased human incursions into the natural world. He's really talking about how we're going to get through this pandemic, and then there's gonna be another one and another one. So it's not, it's not a cheery read. And then the number five is less inclusive growth. within and across nations, there is a real risk of rollback in the gains of the developing and emerging world has made in the last two to three decades, expecting other structural shifts geopolitical instabilities, higher food and energy prices, and slower growth in the fact that both climate change and pandemics will hit the poorest and the most vulnerable countries the hardest. So not necessarily a sort of a pleasant wrap up. But I think if we can face it, and we can say this is this is where we are. And this is potentially what will come if we continue, if we continue to play the game, like we've always played the game, or do we say it is time to fundamentally change as a global society, because we need to anyway, if we have any chance of overcoming the challenges that we face, so I think I mentioned it on last I was on last week's show, I think it was where I said it I was talking about when I look at the world, as people driving in traffic. And too many times people spend time complaining blasting their horn staying in the same lane. And I think what you need to do really is use your steering wheel, you know, just just just move change paths, do what you need to do to get to get going. I think that yeah, all this is true, if we do nothing positive, right. And in terms of like, if you talk about where the world is going to end up, yes, there'll be a price to pay. But this will be like a correction in the market, we're going to try and find our way back on a path. get to a point. I mean, like we had the Second World War to tell us they will never be a war like this ever again. And then now we're like, oh, we'll maybe you know, but we were gonna learn from this, we're gonna we're gonna move to a hopefully better place. And who knows, I mean, this could be the this could be the birth of, of democracy in countries like China and Russia, where, you know, if this nonsense becomes too much, you know, if I think what's what's really helping China's at a stay on the outside of this, actually, and I, and I'm always hesitant to bring up this, this idea of race. But it really is about the difference in race that allows these sorts of things to happen, that the whole idea about why, for instance, refugee crises are different now as in like what people are trying to do and how much help is coming in. It's because now, a lot of the other people in Europe, see themselves in the Ukrainians. The Chinese don't see themselves in the Ukrainians. What, what would be very interesting actually, is if the Ukrainians got together and said, look, let's get let's show the rest of the of China, how many Chinese people live here? And I guess, we've had we've had an interesting story, we had some Singaporeans who were in the Ukraine or in Ukraine, and they were doing work and supporting people, when again, they were they were there for a while, it's not not a huge number. But I think when you when you can see, you know, when you can see yourself on the other side of the fence, that that really, really helps people see it. So when when I think when when when people look at an insurrection, like when the when the Chinese maybe look at something like like like six January the insurrection and they see those crazy Americans doing it. It doesn't feel the same as when there's a protest in Hong Kong, it even though it's very different. But there's some similarities there as well. And how people feel about that, that that's, that's That's because you have to look for, for yourself in the story. Yeah. There's a there's a huge part of that. But I think it goes back to the first week where we really started to talk about the Ukraine war with refugees. And I've seen a lot of the coverage and Samuel were talking about it and the racism towards non Ukrainians, but also like this, I think it's part of Putin strategy that Europe can't take on another wave of refugees and Europe's role. If they're not going to be actively engaged in the war. I believe their role is to take care of the people to get them through this time. And that's their participation in the war. And if they don't do it, then we see what we saw with you know, the Syrian refugees, and when the refugee crisis that's still going on across Europe, right. And refugees use it used as fodder by countries like Belarus, you know, the terrible, terrible disrespect towards these people who are suffering, but I actually think it's a it's part of the war effort to take care of the refugees and If I can, if I can do it for the long term, or as long as it's needed, it takes away a chance. It takes away one potential for Putin to win. So I hope I stay strong. I really do. I think the refugee calculation is one, I feel that it's one that we didn't miscalculated based on just thinking about invasion and refugees in a very in the same way as he was invading other countries. I mean, it's it's shameful that it's a fact. It's a factor. But yeah, the the the racial makeup of the invader country makes a difference, because the the way the pressure comes off, or the people who are neighbors are willing to help out, is very different. I mean, the way the way the neighbors around Ukraine have rallied, it's just amazing. I want to just take a very quick moment to talk about, you know, like cryptocurrencies as well, right. Because even you know, what, when, when the world's difficult and all the stuffs happening. You know, Ukraine being the kinds of government they had, they're actually raising funds using crypto and they have been very successful. They were in a matter of, I think, days, they raised like 36 million US the residual in US dollars. And the number keeps going up. Because what they've been able to do is, is allow or encourage cryptocurrency donations, and it's actually given them you know, that that access to the financial tool, tools that they need for the financing of war, which is something people don't just fight and just shored that up with his announcement, right, that the US would or not? Yeah. Well, Joe, I think a couple of weeks ago, I spoke about the the crypto currency and I said they win the war sides of Ukraine opened up a facility whereby you can donate Bitcoin, you know, yeah, anyway, and read everything else going to the Ukraine. And when suddenly, like 12 hours, they they're made up like $8 million, or something ridiculous. But at the same time, if you follow, I'm going to follow it if you follow the progression of the Bitcoin for the cryptocurrency from then to now, it's gone through a cycle of increasing by 15 and decreasing by 18. So that's percent loss on your total initial investment. But nevertheless, you're totally helping out the guys that are that are suffering. I mean, Airbnb, a lot of people have been reading a lot of stuff about Airbnb and hotel reservations and restaurant reservations, where people will get online and book accommodation somewhere in Ukraine, I mean, name your city, whatever, and pay for a week, for example, transplant and not to chop and say to the guy who's advertising the Airbnb, look mates, any refugees that comes in, send them in there, you paid for, you're getting the box with these people up. And a lot of them have done that you read online about restaurants, restaurant managers, chefs that open up their restaurants for refugees and say everybody needs something eat yours. And if you guys have you know, the I think that the the humanitarian side is Andrei likes to say, you know, the, the humanitarian aspect of the humanitarian approach. Is there. It's definitely there. I think they did not my my, my humble feeling is that a lot of the Russian people don't know what's really going on. And they are questioning what is happening. And they are, which is why we can cut off their access. Exactly. You can't cut it like that. It's so short sighted and kind of like the first thing we do in crisis as crisis communications people is envisage the end of the line. Where do we want to be? What does success look like? What are all of the possible outcomes, there's no outcome for Russia, whereby you cut off the Russian people to all outside influences of information, and they rise up. You need them we need them to rise up, which means you need to keep them on all of these social platforms, you need to keep that access and yes, you're going to have a couple of Muppets who are saying something that is you know, either just bollocks or propaganda or whatever. But you're also going to have a mass of people who share stories like these in Ukraine who's even can book an Airbnb who who find ways to unite to talk to like that freedom of information and freedom of speech can't be cut off just because you don't look like like you don't like what the country is doing. And you're absolutely right man. Yeah, the rise up that's the Omen only common only common I don't know what you call it language, but the only common, comparable comparable whatever, throughout history, whenever there is oppression. I mean, if you go back to the Roman times the jobs and times you can you can trace it back all the way. I mean, you've mentioned not me Nazis back in the day, they there's the only the only result of that is a rise in the population. Not everybody is going to agree with this position they've been forced the button and there's somebody that they will rip out. I mean, South Africa, apartheid, the protests were after us there back in the day. I mean, we still have them right now in France, France is famous for protesting, they do not agree with these people, and they rise up. This is this is very much in my humble opinion, something that's going to happen, that the Russians are going to stand up and say, If you don't believe what you guys are telling us, we absolutely will think it's BS, and we are going to change our thoughts. That's probably led by the mothers of Russian soldiers. Oh, okay. Yeah. How half no story like a mother scorn or he'll have like a mother. Um, so I'm gonna move things along. It's so many other articles that I shared with you guys. So humanity of the like all these. There's a lot of sexual traffickers exploiting the refugee situation. Keep an eye out for that. Fake News and propaganda that's going on. You know, it's a big story. It's an overwhelming story. I know a lot of people are struggling with it. We are we are already being impacted. Next time you go to the supermarket and you can't fly, you can't find sunflower oil, or it's doubled in price, you're gonna you're gonna see that we're already being impacted by it. Think of the people in the poorest parts of the world, they're gonna be the ones that are really suffering. We've got 40 countries on the risk of famine. So 300% confirmed that the box has been ticked. But the reality is we've got 40 countries in famine. And we've got some big problems in the world. And this is the last thing we need everyone get involved in the information or if you can speak Russian, right Russian, or you know somebody Russian, work out how you can help them get information into the country, because I think that's going to be our best bet. So shall we move on to the environment? One more thing. Did you see they are willing to pay multilingual mercenaries to go and fight for the Ukraine? $2,000 a day? Yeah. Are you going Naga? speak Russian. Give me a look, I want to speak about International Women's Day. This is what I'm here for. I'm very excited about that. Yeah. So we'll just quickly go through the environment stuff that's coming up this last week, and then then we're going to get onto a quality All right, cool. Yeah. All right. So I think it might have been hard to miss the floods in Sydney. absolutely catastrophic. But of course, Scotty, the Prime Minister of Australia, impressed me once again, when he said no point tackling climate in Australia if emissions keep rising in the developing world. Not my problem. Yeah, it's the stuff that Australia extracts out of the ground sends to the developing world and then buys back as products. But also Australia is one of the countries with the highest per capita pollution levels. So yeah, it's time to do something and it's good to lead rather than follow BlackRock, he is in the news in the headlines again for greenwashing. So I don't know if you guys it's one of the large it is the largest investor in the world. And it CEO has been sort of up there in the last couple of years saying we're going to do everything we can and advising people not to do the wrong thing anyway, that Greenpeace had their freedom of information request, agreed to and it's revealed emails showing that Blackrock is behaving otherwise, there's a the the UN IPCC report, which of course is not getting enough coverage, please look out for the articles. One is q&a Has the ice PCs bleak warning of climate breakdown being heard. And that's a really good pace. And it really talks about adaptation be enough. And basically, once we hit a pointing in right in the heat rising, there's nothing that we can do. And then it's also talking about the next assessment that's going to come up, which is all around mitigation. Final piece I really want to highlight is kromus Close climate crisis in The Guardian, Amazon rainforest tipping tipping point is looming. I read a an expert on the Amazon quite a few years ago now. He said that we had already passed the tipping point in the Amazon. But this is showing 75% of the untouched forest has lost stability since the early 2000s. So we've talked about the Amazon becoming a savanna before it will completely change global global weather patterns. Because, you know, the moisture in the forest goes up into the clouds and does things it's predictable. And that's all going to be over soon. So some big, big stuff. Otherwise something to say about that Amazon thing they Oh, they're not Amazon Thisara for that matter. You know, there's been studies being done that proved that if you populate a quarter of this are over sold panels on its parameters, you were able to provide enough electrical energy providing you can store it and the you know, the salt batteries, or the chemical batteries or the ion batteries in order to to supply the world. But something that caught me by surprise was that once you install the infrastructure for these facilities, you know, you know, hundreds of square kilometers worth of solar panels that provide shade and cooling and temperature variations, the variations all of a sudden animals and insects and that type of stuff are going to move into these schools, O'Shea's once they migrate all that. And this has been proven over the years, you know, whether you believe in evolution or not, but it's been proven over the years that this has been a desert for 10,000 years prior to that it was a tropical jungle. So once we install this type of stuff, it will change the environment in a significant way to the sense that you put this facilities in all of a sudden, you'll go from a desert to a environment that, you know, encourages the reproduction of various plants and animals and that type of stuff. So it even though we get free electricity, and you know, the the fossil fuel, and then co2 gases and the greenhouse gases, you know, gets minimized and bla bla bla bla bla, you can go down that road. But the impact of that is something that's so theoretical, and how that will impact the global weather systems is something that can only be speculated on. It's a very interesting topic, man I've been I've been because I mean, it makes sense. You know, the Sahara Desert God, silence warm, it's got everything, you know, put solar panels on, everything is great. But the solar panels like the clouds reflect that the UV rays, they reflect the right back into the atmosphere, and all of a sudden, you don't have the same either. dispersion, you don't have you lose all of that type of stuff. You literally take the UVs straight back out to space. But yeah, that's that's stuff that people don't often consider when coming to this. How would we know that? What the reaction would be without? I mean, we've never done it. So yeah. I think I think the whole Amazon point, you know, people took Call, call it the lungs of the world. And I've read a lot of different points, and especially in opposition to that. But the reality is the large forests, mess on our planet, create a stable environment. For exactly, environment, right. And that's yeah, that's what we mess with. If that goes. And we've seen more, I don't know, if they're cyclones or hurricanes, or what they are on the west coast of countries like Australia and India. They're not prepared for that sort of those sorts of things, because I never happened before, right? So it's the radical weather patterns, and they're going to change quickly. And they're going to hit places and are used to, you know, sort of typhoons that you see coming through the Philippines, right. And they're getting bigger, and they're lasting longer, and they're staying longer. If they start going into different parts of the world who don't have that preparation, you know, from the physical structures that people live in, or, you know, they're not prepared for it, then we just oh, all the crops that are grown in a place will be decimated. So it's, you know, and this is short term stuff coming our way that we're not going to be prepared for. And that's the only station who's gonna come you know, we also lose all the carbon that the Amazon sequesters. Is that true? Yep. I mean, none of it is good. Yeah. Yeah, I think I just lost my camera there. Right. You still hear we can hear you but yeah. And you're paused. Yeah. No, no. Open. So that's a good sign. Your bro Jan thinker moment. Exactly. Oh, I love that. I love it. I don't know what happened. I touched the why on the side. Yeah. And all of a sudden new wind for? Yeah. Oh, boy. The nice, the nice small ring away now shot here. I'll take you, I'll take you I'll take you off and bring you back on. See if that makes a difference. You still pause? For one I can say? Yeah. So I'm like, you know, the reality, whatever, whatever we think about it, we have to be creating rapid change right now. And if we don't, the suffering will get greater. And that's, that's, that's it, you know, so if we're willing to have greater suffering, then, okay. But I'm going to keep talking about it. I'm going to keep sharing stuff on, you know, Sam's helping me with my daily climate tips. She's doing the fabulous designs. And I'm just going to keep just putting the message out there. Because we've got it we've got to wake up to the agency. And I honestly, it's like, I don't think people are facing up to the repercussions of this war. And I don't think people are facing up to the repercussions of the climate emergency. So just keep, just keep talking about it and see so we can get more people on board. So we can do right and never give up. Never give up hope. That's well, it's a combination. It is the combination of the skill and the message right. I think I think that's really something that that most times people we tend to think Forget about it, we send people who are not prepared into situations where they're supposed to be the voice to try and be the message, right? And not everybody is a Thunberg. Not everybody has got the charisma, and the and the presence to carry it. Most people who try that come across, maybe not in the best way. So sometimes you end up in a situation where, you know, they're not. They're not. They're not the best rep, you could choose. I mean, basically, what I'm doing so there's almost a need for an Academy. And this is the terrible Singapore solution to everything. Let's have a campaign let's do let's have a schooling system. But there shouldn't be a campaign, you know, there should be there should be a kind of teaching system where, yeah, sure, come on, come on, in. You want to be an environmentalist Great. Let's also make part of it communications, you need to have communications as part of your training you WC. But just so you know, there is more and more of that happening. And I'm in the process of putting together like a doc document where I'm gonna sort of just talk through it and how you do it, and the pitfalls and the opportunities. And I think more and more people are talking about that. And, you know, our work with any climate scientists who wants to go out there and talk, who struggles with their communicate, or work with anyone who's got a great message to help them have a voice in the world. But that is happening, Joe, it's happening a lot. And there's law use amendments where they're doing it as well. So the WWF are working with big corporates like Deloitte, and they're helping to train them. So it as long as it you know, as long as it's the right training, because there's still a lot of motion in that space. Right? Yeah. Yeah. If you're, if you're in the communication space, and you're you have the abilities, definitely, I would reckon, I mean, I'm, I'm going to take on that role of doing what I can to help people and I have other people do it too, and I know Sam's doing it, so help help help however you can. And if you're a communicator and you're passionate about the future, teaching people the skills of communication I think is a critical critical job. Yeah, yeah. Andrea you're very accurate about the skills that communication it's it's a it's a education thing. I mean, no way in school when either either of us you know, went went back to school, the job opportunity where they tried to talk to you this is a talk in the stereotypes people perceptions don't take offense, what they're saying respect people's opinions and all that type of stuff, get your point across. Nowhere is that being taught, you know, we are learning this as we going along, you know, it's literally a matter of, you know, odd knock slightly bumpy, and you realize, okay, well, I made error made me change something, or, or somebody, how do I achieve what I want to achieve? And that other stuff? So yeah, no, going back to, to what you were saying about that, you know, it needs to come back to the root, you know, it needs to come back to what are you trying to say? What is your real intent? Use the words you want to use? You know, if it's foul words, if it's very descriptive words, it doesn't matter use what you do. But what what are you trying to say? What is your point? You know, it's, it's, it's a, it's a life lesson, I'm still learning to be honest. Yeah, a lot of people disagree with that. But I absolutely, you know, just because you don't like people communicating in a different way, or using foul language or whatever. I think you've got to communicate the way that's appropriate for you and your audience. So if you're, you know, like Ozzy man reviews, right? He swearing all the time, but people are loving for it. And just because you don't doesn't mean he's messages and important and it's not hitting the right people. So you've got to have your message in your way to your audience, and it might be different to somebody else's, but the message is fundamentally the same. It's just told in a different way. And we need lots of different people telling, telling the story and lots of different ways to reach lots of different people. So the copycat stuff that's going on a lot. Yeah, try not to do that. Try and be unique try and be yourself. Yeah, so I'm taking on a role I've got a something I'm going to launch soon I hope but we can all do that right. Do it again man. Do what you can every little bit counts. You know if you can take a teaspoon and empty the Sanford you know, take your DS willen into the bucket. Sorry, into the sand. So far was expecting spring good. This is a URI, national international women's day the frustration. So that's the theme for this for this week. And I'll just do a quick intro and when I handed over to you guys, but for many years, I've been challenging International Women's Day. And it's definitely not because I didn't believe in it, but because I've just not seen any change. And I remember back in 2013, I was working at Microsoft and then A lady from McKinsey talking at this international International Women's Day event. And when I was listening to her listening to the data and you know, the business case, and all that sort of stuff, I just, I put my hand up. And I said, I just feel that you're, you're trying to stuff women into a system that's been created for men, don't you think it's time that we actually created a new system that's actually good for both, because the existing system isn't actually good for men. So the idea of holding on to it is, you know, something that makes the majority of people unhappy is always something I've struggled with. But anyway, it's nearly a decade later. And I was really kind of pleased this year to say that I wasn't the only person sort of speaking up against what International Women's Day has become. Because a quality slipped by back by a generation in during COVID. And the system has completely failed women in the last couple of years. So we've got a system that just allows women to fail at every level, whether they're in the business world, whether they're, when they're whether they're at home, taking care of their kids, and in a pandemic, expecting them to do both, especially for single mothers. So it's been, it's been a devastating time for women around the world. And you know, like, in wealthy countries, it's been a extremely challenging time, especially for women at the bottom of, of the, you know, the financial rungs and women of color. But of course, also in the developing world, you know, there's this basic stuff that can be done, like, I read an article on renewable energy availability, for women in rural India, if that was available, it would lift the entire country, because the girls would be able to go to school, the mothers would be able to work because they're not spending all of their day collecting firewood and, and water and doing basic things because they have energy. So nothing's changing, it's getting worse. The business case is my businesses make more money when they have more women in leadership roles. country's GDP increases when we have women in leadership roles, all the issues that we've talked about today in the future for humanity, we need 5050 representation at the at the table, I was talking to a UN inclusion expert the other day, she still doesn't understand what's what the hell's going on, and why it's not changing. It's very frustrating. Who wants to talk first, I can say something about women empowerment and empowerment of the majority of the minorities. And look, I grew up in South Africa, I was born in the 80s. So I was it was a very significant point of time in Asia, South Africa, transitioning from the apartheid government going over to announce Moodle in 94, to COVID. And we became a democratic government up into where we are now. In this instance, I don't think it's worth differentiating between, you know, discrimination towards women versus discrimination towards minorities. And in order to achieve equality, what they decided to implement was something they called the E black economic empowerment. So let's forget about the black aspect, let's call about let's think about the economic empowerment. So this means anybody in the disadvantaged side, in our instance, it's women, it's women of color, it's anybody who is not a man is specifically in South African state, not a white African or not a white, Afrikaans English man. So by realizing that there is a difference, now you have to great opportunity for the minority to come in now the minority has been disadvantaged over the years schooling, university opportunities given, you know, social interactions, you know, barefoot pregnant in the kitchen, if I use that term, but I mean, it's a very inclusive term, okay. So now you open up this, this environment to which one side has not been prepared for at all in any sense of the word, they've been actually educated and prepared for something totally different. So now in order to achieve success, business success, financial access, whatever, you have to include these people. So some people are just going to be brought in arbitrarily Yana you want to do is you match the profile, boom, you can get some boxes office or figure you don't have to do jack, enjoy your life. Now be the doing that meaning that the actual setup does not change on paper, it changes, you know, you've got the the representation of the nation, you know, females, males, you know, off color, ethnicity, whatever, it doesn't matter, but you've got the representation on paper, but the honest business structure does not change, it remains the same. So you're including more expenses, you including less experience you including something that is not acute to the business period, just to achieve the requirements set out by law, and that's not going to be a success. I mean, how many if you open up a vegetables then and I say to you, okay, Andrea, you're a white female from Australia. You opened up a vegetable stand and you decided to open it up in X country. So you're the boss. So the so that is ethnic makeup of the country is this, it's, you know, big whatever skin color you decide is appropriate, you know, the the male to female ratio is made up of this. So your board of directors, the ownership, the management structure, that the employees structure, all that type of stuff has to represent that meaning that every percentage that each section represents throughout the, the pie. So to say, your business has to represent that if it doesn't, you, you don't get tax rates, you don't get you're not able to grow. And then there's a whole bunch of penalties that goes along with us. And it's not fair, it's absolutely absolutely not say you're putting somebody in a position whereby they have to produce what they actually produce, with a skill level, a laborer level, you know, requirements that are not viable. So it's not a fair way to do things. It's not a fair way to do things. And it takes time for that transition to sort of happen where the skills and the confidence come in. And, you know, with with women, and I totally agree on the diversity front, to me, the the same issues. But one of the things is women, women are being put into these positions of power. And first of all, they're being discredited because the only reason they got the job is because they're female. So whether or not they earned the right to the job is always on the table. And it makes people behave towards them in a unsupportive way. But the other is, exactly but the other side is, they're put into these positions, and there's so much resentment within the business, because because men are put aside for some of these roles or not given the opportunities that they've worked hard towards. And I've had loads of conversations with guys about this. And I think that's not fair, either. But yeah, so a lot of women are put into these positions, and then they're not supported, to be successful. And then, you know, when they fail, everyone's like, well, you know, of course, she was going to fail, because, you know, she's a woman. And that's why we don't have women in leadership roles. So we just got this whole kind of idea wrong. You know, we're not, it's a big man. Yeah, it's a stigma. Yeah. I had so much to say. Okay, guys, I'm strangling. I'm sitting down. I mean, what the whole thing is, is just a, it's a giant hairball of of mass confusion and difficulties. And, you know, we talk about diversity and, and gender equality in the same vein, except that also, then you have diverse women who are even more, you know, face greater challenges. And it's all ugly and messy. But the point that I wanted to make is there a couple of things that I've seen recently, that, that also made me think, Ah, I, you know, I saw a post from a woman on LinkedIn the other day, who was a woman of color, and her whole post was stop calling me strong. Stop calling me capable, stop calling me resilient, when I also want to be soft, and kind and feminine. And she talks about this, this, and it's kind of this construct that you're talking about, that we put women in, and often, the belief is that they have to emulate the worst of male characteristics of leadership in order to be successful. And not and like God bless Jacinda Arden, because I think she's an example of how to do it properly. But, but there's even when we have those opportunities, the odds are still so highly stacked against success. And it makes me sad for for the fact that I have two young women who are coming into this world. But, but also, you know, there was a there was a beautiful campaign, and I don't know if you saw that was done in the UK. And it was a it was just a text campaign, and there were huge subway posters. And it says close your eyes. And imagine a CEO. Is it a man? Close your eyes and imagine a nurse? Is it a woman? Close your eyes and imagine someone crying in the office? Is it a woman? Close your eyes and imagine someone who has to leave early from the office to pick up their kids? Is it a woman? Like the problem is so much larger than just the job opportunities? It is systemically ingrained in who we are as a society? The nurturing Mom, if a kid is sick Nine times out of 10. It's it's mom who leaves work to go home and take care of them. Right? And I remember when we started at UW, see Thailand and and if you know me, well, okay, I have a vomit phobia, I don't do pure. I will do all of the other illness. It's why you'll never see me drunk, like I don't do. And so the girls get sick. If there's puke involved, Jason It's Jason time, like Daddy's coming to the rescue with buckets and whatever. And and I remember the first time we were at UW Thailand, and the girls got something Tommy related. And so Jason stayed home. And one of the other teachers came in the next day, he was a dad, a really hands on Dad. And he said, that might be the most reassuring thing I've seen in education, that the head of school, went home to take care of his sick kids. And I was at work. So and and like, that shouldn't be something that's so exceptional, right? It should, what's your workload? What's my workload? Okay, you go, or in our case, there's puke, it's your turn. You know, like, I just I get disheartened, like, Andrea is when I think about where do you start. And we start doing what Andrea is doing, which is raising young men, to see women as capable and equal and, and we keep hoping that generations, as generations go through this process, it will reduce and reduce and reduce or reduce, but like you said, we've just seen it all go backwards. And, and then there are dramatic repercussions for men, like a lot of the teachers who were at home, in the pandemic trying to teach are also mothers who have their own kids at home, who are supposed to be supported with online learning. So now it's affecting the quality of the education that young men and young women are getting. So I it's a, and then, and then you saw the, you know, single single families or just just low income families in wealthy countries that didn't have access to technology. You know, like in developing countries, like a lot of the children didn't have access, not not even technology, they didn't even have Wi Fi in the home, even if they did have access. And, you know, it just, I felt like the whole system just collapsed around women childcare, you know, like domestic violence thing that sort of came up, and I put it in a blog that I wrote this week, I mean, the first page of a pandemic book is before you go into complete lockdown, make sure that you remove anyone who's been convicted of domestic violence from the home guy and put him in a hotel, they can do whatever the hell they want, but get them out of the home so that the women is safe, basic, basic thing, right? Nothing like childcare facilities, you know, and that now there's a massive shortage. There's these parts of the of the developed world where there's just there's no childcare facilities. So it sort of takes away so many choices. And, you know, I think if we could redesign the business world, and the world with women at the center of the design, but you need 50% of women's voices at the table to do that. And, and this is this is what sends it all backwards, right? When you look at if you have any, if you have kids at home, and someone needs to stay home with them, you choose the lower income earner to stay home with them. And 99.9% of the time. That's mom. Yeah. Look, I've got something to say about this about domestic violence. And, you know, it's very much projected on on the on the men towards lady thing. And it's all they ever projected on towards a lady towards main thing. So I'll give you an example. A man doesn't like whatever the lady is cooking for the nurse. So the Nitin doesn't necessarily slap her about, but he's he's violent in his actions and his expression, all that type of stuff. A lady doesn't like what the men's commands contributing to their lifestyle, and she gets violent. There's the flip side of the coin habits. And I have to admit, it's like a fraction of its doesn't doesn't implement it, the fact that it happens, I've been in relationships like this. This is what I'm talking I've experienced. So it has to be something. Absolutely. There is no question that domestic violence goes both ways. But until we hear that one husband a week has been killed by their domestic partner, I don't think it's an issue that we have to address as much as we have to address violence towards women in the home. Sorry. I don't think it's a fair point. I take your point as it is, Andrea. Absolutely. No, I take your point as it is, but I'm the what I'm saying is it's something that doesn't have to be discounted. It's absolutely no it goes by wise, but you know, there is a, there's a different outcome on on the other side. So we're kind of running. We should probably be wrapping up soon. Joe, do you want to just jump in? On this one? I was I was because I'm always balancing this against this thing about the natural hierarchies and hierarchies of competence, which is always a problem. Because you know, as once you bring up competence as a who says that, who then is the one who says you're competent? Just thinking about how the situation with kids, for instance, right, my kids were ill. And if they had anything to say with it, they wouldn't have me come back and look after them. I mean, they first of all, when we come back home and find, oh, there's a kid missing, oh, dear. I'm really not the better nurturer. I'm a really good strategist. But you know, if you if you want to, if you want to come home and just not say anything, and be around a table and not say anything together for a while, and then I'll make a comment about something, then you want to go to a room and not talk about it. I'm the guy, you know, who can do that. But if if if if kids were the choose, you know, I think you usually choose the parent that's more fun. The one that they want to have around and I know some dads qualify that way. I don't think I'm one of those. Yeah, I look, not everyone was born. I don't agree so soon. Different situation in my home. I mean, Steve is an amazing nurturer. He's completely devoted to the boys. He's always there is always present. And, you know, they'll come to me as much as they'll go to him. And, you know, that's what we've always wanted. But it's not always the same. And, and sometimes that's a conditioning thing, too. Right. How were you raised? Was your dad involved? And I think that's important, too. So and, you know, my boys will certainly be involved in their children's future if they if they are able to have children, because of the way that their dad was involved in this, I think, you know, we can change it through the generations too, right? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Man, no, changes inevitable change. That's the only thing that says this change, to get us to a better place. Definitely. I think I think that's definitely something that everyone wants to do. But I think the same way, I think. I think kids can be quite cruel sometimes. And they can resent the idea that the dad is doing the things because you know, it's a half do thing. I you know, it's one of those things as well. Yeah. So anyway, just commented that, you know, kids, obviously, obviously, often prefer the mum. But again, I think it's the way the way the mommies Win, win win. Exactly. So you know, exactly. Yep. The state couldn't do when the boys were born. And that was breastfeed, and otherwise, you could do everything. Right from the word go. It was like, we're in it together, you know, and a lot of moms with two dads. Yeah, exactly. You know, and sometimes the mum wants to do that. And, and that's great. And sometimes dad wants to do it, and it's great. And, but I think, regardless, like when, when we, we, our children grow up and become adults, they're going into a into a place that is designed with one sex in mind. And one way of being in mind, and I think men suffer that as much as women. I think men lack choices in how they can live their life. You know, so many, so many of the guys I speak to wish I could do things in different ways. But they felt this burden from the day they were born, that they're going to be the provider. So men, men of men have got this stuff going in their heads just as much as women who've got this stuff going in their heads. And I just think men be an ally to women. Don't think this is an opposition, don't think that this means you're going to lose something. I always say everyone wins with equality, we need to stand side by side and face a future together, equal voices at the table. But first for women, I gotta tell you, ladies, we got to step up. You know, I was at an International Women's Day, the other day, and there's this lady had something to say, and she didn't have the guts to get up and grab the microphone and say it, we got to grab the microphone. We've got to apply for the jobs, you know, like 80% of applications for these events that I could get involved in a come from men and 20% from women, we have to step up. I don't care if it scares us, we've got to do it. You know, you guys know I'm stepping up much more than I've ever stepped up. And I'm doing it intentionally because we've got to we've got to do it. And I'm trying to be a role model for girls and women around the world and women have got to stop asking for it and we've got to start taking it and they end up in a fight. Okay, yeah, you're absolutely right. You know, like the guy like you're saying, you know, the flip side of the coin is this that the expectation of webinar I'm going to use extreme examples and I'm sure to be crucified for this online but you know, the the place of a woman is barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen the place of a man is on the fields waiting is so faint, bring in the, you know, this is this the expectation. So the same pressures Well, the same pressures that that effect on your emotions and your well being and your thought process or that it's present in the male aspect of things as well. So I can't stay at home all day and do home things and hang out with my family, I have to go out on the field and swing a fake or swing a hoe and gather the grains and go shoot, if I can I lost sorry, go shoot the ball and then do whatever I'm sorry, sorry, I'll pay the penalty. But you know, get on with it. So those pressures are the same, you know, you are it's, it's not the same as in word for word, but the the effect it has on the the person is the same as their challenging thing. So now all of a sudden, as a man, I put under pressure to make sure that the people in the mic a which is my wife, and my kids, and possibly my parents and my in laws and my whatever, you know, you're spread the name as always small as you want. You know, all of a sudden, I've got that pressure on me now. So I can't do family things I can't do, I have to wake up and go do this, and then come back, go to sleep, wake up and go do this in order for all this to succeed. It's not a matter of fairness, you know, but if you're gonna bring the equality matter, it's not equal. It's actually not equal in order for this franchise, being a family to succeed. You've got these responsibilities, I've got these responsibilities together, we've got the shared responsibilities along with these other people, there is additional responsibilities that comes so everybody needs to pay, put their home and put their bag and pull their day wise and let's go for it. You know, whether you're a man, woman, boy, golden sister, brother, cousin, what doesn't matter, you know, you're somebody who's willing to live your life and willing to get on with it, you know, go to the beaches, go surfing, climbing the highest mountains, become the most successful business person in the world. You know, you're, it's almost as if your, your your gender or your sexuality shouldn't matter. And I'm referring specifically to the people who identifies different pronouns. You know, that's the irrelevant, you know, if you're long as you're a successful person, you know, people will support you. And this is I think, in my opinion, this what I try to achieve, you know, it's taken from where it comes from. Yeah, no, no, absolutely. I always say, you know, people, there's too many people yearning for something that they want in their life, but they don't have the right to go for it. Because the six does doesn't allow them to space, right. So I just think of all the people yearning, I'm lucky, I don't have to yearn, I could do whatever the hell I wanted, you know, and I wasn't raised. Like most people were raised in Australia, I had a dad at home, who brought us up because he was working from home as an artist. And my mom was always out there. She was learning the backhand. So I already had opposite parenting and opposite way of thinking. And then, you know, just wondering, but like, I just yeah, we just we, the change is so systemic, and it's so I was talking to someone just the other day, and they said, what we should do right now is for the next 10 years, the only people who should be allowed to move into positions of heading up companies or heading up countries should be female for 10 years, right? And then at the end of 10 years of women haven't sorted it out. And 10 years will be enough time to get it sorted out, right. But if we haven't had enough, time to sort it out, we can go back to what we've already what we've got now, why don't we do that? Take a look. It's gonna look, I mean, miles have been nothing. But nothing has changed. Nothing has changed in the last 10 years. Right. So we need to get radical if we're going to get say the change. Do you want to final statements on the International Women's Day Before we wrap it up? Yeah. I, I've spent so much time thinking about this. And, you know, just because I'm a female, and I have two daughters, but I think, you know, I love the break the bias campaign. But I think the thing that I would ask any, anyone, male, female, whatever it is, is, for me, I think it's about the removal of doubt. Because that is what undermines when a CEO walks in, and he's male, and he's six foot and he's white. There is an assumption that he knows what he's doing, and it's all gonna be fine. There's no doubt. When that person walks in, and they're a person of color. All of a sudden, there's a little doubt, right? Did they get there because of affirmative action? Did they get there because somebody wanted a board picture that was more diverse. Did they do the same thing happens with women? Yes. Is there's this little doubt. Oh, is she the right person for the job like Harvard Business Review did a piece on it that somebody else shared that said, I'm tired of people waiting to talk to the man who's in charge? Because I'm actually in charge but they're like, well, but maybe there's a board behind you. And maybe the chair of the board is a male. And that guy is ultimately going to have the final say. And, and I mean, it caused quite a stir, and the commentary might have you. And then I thought it was very interesting that there were men weighing in saying this particular woman's field wasn't like that. And I'm like, she just said it was. And so I think that you should maybe not be talking here. Just stop doubting, you know, let people prove themselves, whether they are purple, orange, female or male who, like, let people prove themselves, and don't doubt that suppose what they look like, but not just let them prove themselves, help them succeed, you know, because, because that's the thing people actively do not help them to succeed. And that's a that's huge part of the problem. Huge breakdown, it's yeah, it's weird. Like they say, if you're trying, if you're trying to, you know, tackle somebody else, you know, you fall at the same time, you know, why not help them out? You know, even a 10th of a cent of a progression is a progression, you know, and if you also help somebody else out that day and Martin into 50, or 80, you never know, but Why break somebody down? What's the point? What's the point? I could only Alright, so we're gonna run out and more climate scientists we might be in a better place. We're gonna wrap up so what is keeping you distracted at the moment? What do you what are you watching, reading, listening to anything? Anything worth? I'm looking for Netflix recommendations, by the way. Yes. The Games of Thrones is coming out sometime this year. They're pretty cool to Game of Thrones. Yeah, and season four of is formula one dimensional last week. It's coming out today. And that's another thing. And then on YouTube. I've got going on deer meat for dinner and meat eater. Highly recommended. What was the first one? deer meat for dinner? One word the ya know, it's a guy lives out in Florida with his family. His wife and his two kids. Jimmy's got two daughters that are Nii to Grasshopper. They live on a ranch in Florida and they catch tilapia and gators and they cook clean and cook everything they catch pigs, whatever. It's really fun thing even to have a family able to live in an environment like that and totally enjoy that level of freedom. Is it satisfying to watch? So, obviously, what's the other one? deer meat for dinner? And sorry, sorry, not an eater. Meat Eater. Ya know, Steven Rinella. He travels all over the world. He does ethical anting whatever. And see cocci cleans it makes the food is sometimes he doesn't get anything but it's still out in he enjoying what they just got off. It's outdoors. It's fun. Yeah, man. Come on. Come on. Man. Okay, I don't, I don't have I don't have something that's been distracting me. Okay, so I'm gonna use this time instead to make one final point about the previous idea, which is don't rely on meritocracy. That's one of the things that is a failure. I work with academics all the time. And they always work, I can stand on the merit of my work. And you have to earn it not just in what you've done, but also in what you portray. And that is something that people tend to not want to do. And because they want to they want to be respected just because they're intellectual. They want to be respected for whatever they are. But they don't want to pay a certain price sometimes, which is standing straight, standing tall, speaking a bit louder, wearing slightly better clothes, whatever it is all these things that are a price to pay for what it is that you want. And you will lobby will try to do is to get other people to buy a different price they want you to they want you to just respect them just because but so that's that's my my little idea. Don't don't rely on meritocracy. I agree with that. But I think there's a I think we can flip it as well. There's obviously a lot of women who do not want what is on offer now there's, we didn't even talk about like, hatred towards women like we've female politicians in America or just hatred online. You know, why would you want to put yourself out there when you wouldn't? This is all these ugliness is gonna come at you just because you're a woman. And, you know, I experienced that. I know what it's like so, but that's why I keep saying we've got to change the system. Yep. Yeah. And that's a culture. It's a cultural thing, man. It's a cultural thing. It's a systemic thing. It's a cultural thing. To think about tribalism, even even in Thailand. Yeah, in South Africa and South America. I mean, if you think about that, you can even mention the European nations the same thing. And the, the culture has always been the main here and the woman Yeah. You know, whatever fight is going on, that's always been the pole chain, which ever in whichever nation you're into the one of the countries, one of the few areas that actually made massive progress on this is the Nordic and Scandinavian countries, including Iceland and Greenland. I mean, they've got some of the countries with the highest elected female ministers and governors, government representatives in the world. I mean, it was the first country to enter one of those countries where the first one to elect a female prime minister, the first female in charge of the country was one of those countries. And these guys are succeeding socially, you know, educationally, you know, financially, whatever, they are winning. And I'm not saying it's because of the female influence. What I'm saying is because of the inclusion influence, they're willing to listen to everybody's voices and not discount somebody else's purely based because of what they look like or what. Yeah, no, absolutely. All right, Sam, what are you watching, reading listening to being distracted by inventing Anna? Oh, yes. Yeah. Mine. Inventing Anna was fantastic. And then pieces pieces of her. Yeah. Excellent. And I love it because it's like, like a mini series. So you're not there's not eight seasons of it. It's like nine shows. And it's done. Very, very good. Anthony deletes good. Oh, she's majestic. Yeah. shaves away for nearly three weeks. For the first time in two years. I can watch whatever the hell I want. Amazing, right? That you've always got to factor in your partner because you've been stuck together for two years. Very enjoyable time together, but the recommendations that come up after you've been through that list that's gonna make watching and both are the young women who your sons may be dating one day, there's bold type, and euphoria. euphoria that No, I I actually gives me heart palpitations because I don't I want my kids to a convent somewhere. But I will by the way, the the convent episodes coming up next week. Alright guys, I gotta say goodbye. So first of all, I want to say thank you so much for joining us. And it's been great. And I need to, I need just be jumping in and taking us in all different directions, which is awesome. And you've got, you've got great history as well, which I love. And Sam, thank you so much for joining us in in the hot seat this week. And you'll be back next week. And Joe, good to see you dollar. Lovely to be with you as well, Andrea, and of course thank you you out there on the other side of this exchange, don't just leave it in your feed, share it, you know, tell someone else about it. And if you want to be more specific about which part to look out for, go ahead and write a post about that. Andrea? Andrea likes to give you advice in that kind of area. Next time I'll have the same one on my closet. My wife bought it for me my wife bought it for me so I thought I'd wear it. 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