Welcome to the Know Show. We successfully did our first hour show and are committed to that timing moving going forward. We’ll kick off with a short discussion on our observations following the Queen’s death, looking at it from every angle. Then it’s into some of the key news events these last couple of weeks, before a deep dive into an article published in the Guardian titled: ‘The super-rich ‘preppers’ planning to save themselves from the apocalypse.’ We’re going to pull it apart and look at it from multiple angles!
The Know Show is a Livestream held every fortnight on Friday, where Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade and Joe Augustin, and at least one special guest (just the three of us this week), review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters to all of us.
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Welcome to the Know Show. We successfully did our first hour show and are committed to that timing moving going forward. We’ll kick off with a short discussion on our observations following the Queen’s death, looking at it from every angle. Then it’s into some of the key news events these last couple of weeks, before a deep dive into an article published in the Guardian titled: ‘The super-rich ‘preppers’ planning to save themselves from the apocalypse.’ We’re going to pull it apart and look at it from multiple angles!
The Know Show is a Livestream held every fortnight on Friday, where Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade and Joe Augustin, and at least one special guest (just the three of us this week), review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters to all of us.
The Know Show is based on Andrea T Edwards Weekend Reads, which are published every Saturday on andreatedwards.com, and covers the climate crisis, topical moments in the world, global politics, business, social issues and passion/humor/history. Join us.
#TheKnowShow #UncommonCourage
To get in touch with me, all of my contact details are here https://linktr.ee/andreatedwards
My book Uncommon Courage, an invitation, is here https://mybook.to/UncommonCourage
My book 18 Steps to an All-Star LinkedIn Profile, is here https://mybook.to/18stepstoanallstar
Welcome to the no show. My name is Andrew Edwards. And he used to be last. Yeah, my name is Joe Augustine. Welcome to the new the Noah show, in the sense that what we've done is we have gone back to the drawing board and said, How can we do this show a little better, so that you can watch a show that leaves you understanding the world we live in a little better. And so that you will, you'll be empowered to make a difference as well. We think if more people knew exactly what was going on and knew how to think about things a bit more, we could be all the a little bit better off. So welcome to the show. It's a one hour show lots of ground to cover. So let's hop right into it, shall we? Oh, well, before we do, I wanted to wish my mama Happy Birthday. She's 76 today. And also friends, one of my friends here in Phuket, who is a regular listener of the show. It's his 60s today. So happy birthday. to you. Happy birthday. Thank you. Andrea is my friend who's 60 Happy birthday to you. The show is well. Behind immediately. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so just a conversation around what's been going on this week, as far as the Queen's concerned, especially if you're living in a Commonwealth country, the chances are, all of your media has been pummelling by news of the Queen every step of the way. And, you know, like, obviously, there's, there's a lot of majority of it has been respectful. But there's another side of the story that people are sharing more and more. And that is her legacy, which you know, there's a lot of atrocities that have happened in her name in her time. And people are talking about that talk of the Republic of republics is starting to rise, even New Zealand, we're bringing it up the other day, but said it's not the right time. But King Charles the third, I'm still finding that a weird sort of idea. He's made a couple of silly little mistakes, and the media seems to be jumping all over them. But one of the mistakes that was pulled out was said he's appointed Prince Andrew as counsellor of state. And there's a I was looking into this, and there's quite a few media that have been saying this. And actually, it's incorrect. He has been a counsellor of state for quite a few decades now. So to be a counsellor, or state, it's an exploring line to the throne. So right now, Camilla, and Beatrice have been added to the list. And Harry, and Andrew may be removed from the list. So that's not that's not a fact. Let's just say, what do you guys think? I mean, everyone's talking about and lots and lots and lots of different ways. What's your sort of take? Well, I mean, we've got some we've got some background going on there. With regards to gaffes, any of it just just the whole week, what you know, what are you paying attention to? Oh, well, for me, it's been a I had a friend of mine who posted on social media, the Queen has died yawn. And, and that was that was just it. And I, I sort of went in and when I think you should take that post down and got reaction from others who agreed with that sentiment. But the reason why I thought you should take it down, was because I just think I think that that's a, I just don't think it, I think we can go back to a parental guidance of if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, especially during during a time that millions of people have feeling a sense of loss. And, and even me, I was I don't know about you, too. But I was surprised how moved I was by her loss. Yeah, and, and I didn't expect to be so moved. But I was and I felt myself that sort of that little, I felt a sense of loss. Anyway, I mean, I didn't mean to censor him, I just thought people in his circles might have felt tender about it. And that may go against him in some way. So for one from one perspective, don't do it because it could adversely impact you for people who find you insensitive. But from the other perspective, I just thought it was it's disrespectful. I don't know. I mean, I get it. I get that there's negative sentiment. And there's been some commentators that have said, now's the exact time to bring out the negative sentiment if you're feeling it, because the conversations there and you feeling a particular way. There was certainly when Saddam Hussein was, was announced dead, there was a lot of jubilation. And I certainly don't put them both in the same category, but but there was that would be regarded as the opposite of what I've just sort of talked about. So I get that people can feel different ways. And so perhaps I should be a little bit more more tolerant of that, but I still wanted to call him out for it. Because I just, I wanted a voice to say no, I don't believe that that's the right thing to do. Yeah, there's, we need to have space, we need to create the space for all of it. But I totally agree with you like, we should be able to respect someone in a time of death, we should be able to, you know, like you said, but somehow Saddam Hussein is a great example. When can you guys hear the back? noise that's coming through? Are you getting full back? Are you? When I Oh, I can hear that now. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't really. I thought the way that that death was handled, this is Saddam Hussein. I found that quite disturbing, you know. So I'm, I do believe that we should respect a person at that time. I find myself conflicted about it. Because I do, I do realise, you know, the both of these. All these things are true for different kinds of people. At the same time, I kind of felt that in terms of, you know, the Queen, we think of someone passing on you, I kind of put them into the category of you know, we lost one of the good ones, or thank goodness, you know, we've lost that one. Right. So the quick wins it for me in the category of someone, you know, on the good ledger, is it a career without any kind of blemish? Show me a 75 year old career that has no blemishes I mean, that's, that's really going to be tough. And it's, it's one of those things where she chose it. And she said, I want to apply for that job. It happened to her, right, and he did the monarchy, as much as people talk about it in terms of privilege, and all those things. It's not something that people really make an active choice about. And if you look at Harry and Megan, for instance, they make that choice. They make their own choices regarding it. We sold them think about it. I think in terms of this right, would I have rather have had anyone else in that particular role? I mean, it's a role it's there yet? Well, we are we are we are opposed to the idea of a monarchy, perhaps we don't. But let's say there is a monarchy, who would be rather have in that space. And the few people I think, who conducted themselves who can say that conducted themselves in that way. Then then as well as she did, so in terms of someone's I think one of the commentators mentioned that she did it with grace. And that was really for me, that was that was that's why I described it as as well. I mean, you know, if someone did the job, right, it was Queen Elizabeth. And to be fair, I'm, I'm, I'm with you on that, except that I'm probably I'll be aware of my own blind spot on this one. I'm really only judging her for about the last 30 years, I guess. Yep. So if there was stuff that she did, you know, early on in her reign, post World War Two, with empires and other bits and pieces, and, you know, stuff like that, or doing deals on the ops in South Africa, or whatever it was, I don't know anything about that. And mine is more the last 30 years. I think it's been respectful, dignified, I think as a head of state, going out and visiting the people who are suffering and, and trying to do, right by them. And, you know, I just think, from that perspective, she's been a, a positive example of a really positive figurehead and a head of state. That's, that's, that's been as dignified and respectful and respected. That was just something missing these days and challenging as well from from a family dynamic. I mean, it's been the Real Housewives of Windsor Castle for the last few years. Right. I think that's just crazy stuff. I mean, I'll miss her. You know, and, and I do understand all the all the stuff, the negative stuff that goes along with that, but I don't know whether you actually have her to be held accountable for it. She is the head of oh, she was the monarch, the head of the of the country. But as you know, the way the politics works, she is a figurehead, you know. Yeah. Well, you know, I have respect for her as a woman and how she participated in the world and her sense of duty and service. So I have great respect for that. But I also come from the Commonwealth where we hear lots of other different level layers of conversation, right and history and I think of the Aboriginal community in Australia and what happened to them, which obviously happened in the name of British royalty. So, you know, there's a lot of different aspects and that's why I think it's important to have all the space and you know, someone who was in the military, one of the things But I do have respect for is, in my life, I'm not a fan of traditions. But I do value tradition for because, you know, especially, you know what we've been seeing in the last week and one of my favourite traditions that I'd never even knew existed is the royal beekeeper had to go and announce to the bees that the Queen had died and had to wrap the hives up in black ribbon. Did you say that story? I thought that, although that was just beautiful. And this, there's a lot of traditions and history and, and meaning and some of them will make absolutely no sense. But if you want to have a laugh, if you want to have a laugh, the chaser are doing some really cool coverage of what's going on. You know, a lady who sleeps on a queen bed talks about how she can relate to the Queen. You know, it's really it's really kind of funny. So some of the media, they're going a little bit, you know, to the stories. Yeah. And I have a brother, I mean, I was watching the ceremonial pot, it seems like, if you want to be in that ceremony, you have to wear a hat. And if you've got feathers, you're important. But it was it was it was the amount of hats were were amazing. And I kind of liked it. But it was I took photos of the screen because it was so heavy. But switching it to Charles, it, it seems like the media is hoping he's gonna screw up and is and is, it seems like that. And they're putting on a magnifying glass for anything that he's getting, you know, exacerbated about, you know, there was a pen didn't work and ink was spelt or something like that. And quite frankly, if I was Charles, I would be getting exactly the same as him. And I find myself a fairly level headed person. But presumably I'm paying some Butler ba squillions to get a pen, right, and to get something that's not going to leak ink. And you know, and and I have billions of people watching me sign this thing. For heaven's sake, get it right. And don't put the ink tray right in front of me. And do I really need to have a fountain pen that has to take the ink up like that? I mean, honestly, just rest assured. Well, Jim, yeah, sorry. Yeah. But it's like dunking tea. Let's go with that one. It, I just think some of the stuff, you know, and then they've got these massive things that are for two of them to be on the table. It's too big to be on the table to sign both. Can't somebody just stand and hold one while he signs the other one without much of a problem? I mean, it just seems it's like, he shouldn't be expected to have to organise an event manage that. And so when he looks to the side and goes, and everyone zooms in and says, you know, he's he's two faced or there's this side to him and everything else. I just, you know, did you hear the story about the guy in the crowd that asked him to go out for a beer. So as he was doing the shaking of hands as he was going down, 111 fella shouted out, you want to go for a beer? And he said yes. And then he probably thought better of it and called the fellow to the front and sort of any sort of push to the crowd. And he said, to tell me who you are, and whatever and wait from now. Okay, well, unfortunately, I have to keep going. But we've loved him. And then he went on, I just thought, how awesome is that? And then they interviewed the fellow who asked him and he just goes, I don't know why I asked that I just felt for him. I just sort of did you know, what would you do? For one of your mates, you'd sort of say you want to go for a beer. So I don't know. There was some really nice moments. It was a woman who sort of gave him a kiss as he was going through the crowd, and I just, yeah, I I wish him well. I mean, he's been he's been the first monarchs kid from from Britain side, to have been under such media scrutiny in his teens and going forward. And there's been a lot of gaffes and screw ups. And he was sort of touted as this sort of Playboy and, you know, and maybe it was, but no, maybe all of them were and there was none of them were in the news as much as him. And, you know, the Diana thing obviously has been the big, the big, sort of hurt for the nation over his life, but he's 73 years old. He's been he's got a job now that, like you said about Elizabeth. I mean, it's not necessarily something they asked for. It's something that they could turn down, but it's something that they're going to do and it does, it is life consuming. So just to keep our show on track. Yeah, we're doing prep. It's not to waffle Tim I'm sorry that it was if I could just summarise I don't know if you agree with us but for the team I think Queen Elizabeth left big shoes to be filled which are and that process of filling those shoes is a bit of a struggle. I think we'll agree. Yeah, well I hope he doesn't put them on okay, but so part of the show is actually the the weekend by Andrea Edwards and it's it's it's a massive task that happens all all the time with as she goes around looking for all the stories that matter, we don't have enough time to talk about all the stories. Otherwise, this would be a four hour show. But we have each got three stories that we'll talk about very quickly that are on the top of mind. And we'll introduce the queen of the show, please to start us off with the news. And what to me. I'm not the Queen, but Okay, so the first story, I'm going to do something here, I'm going to show you this guy that there is Yvon Chouinard, and he's the CEO of Patagonia. And he announced that his family have transferred their ownership of Patagonia to which would have been valued about $3 billion to a specially designed trust and a nonprofit organisation. That means all of the profits, basically they just released the company to this nonprofit organisation. And you know, all of its profits, like$100 million a year will be used to combat climate change and predict underdeveloped, undeveloped land around the globe and really live his life's value and philosophy of really taking care of the environment. He was an avid climber from the 60s, he started this company in 1973. And it's just gone on to represent a value and he's wanted to make sure that when he passes, those values are maintained. And he didn't want to IPO it for exactly the reason where that control would be lost to stakeholder and shareholder interest rather than taking care of its people and taking care of the planet. And so I just thought, fantastic so the planet is now Patagonia's only shareholder. What do you think about that? Mo plays we need about a million businesses doing that we might have a chance at I mean, it's amazing what he's done. The in Australia sad loss which has been a bit overshadowed by the the ongoing news coverage of the death of the Queen, which perhaps has frustrated many Australians. But it's the news that Uncle Jack Charles a revered Aboriginal actor and elder has died. amazing human being he's had a hard life, but overcame and made an incredible Mark. He was one of the stolen generation, who at the age of four months old, I think was taken away from his parents and tried to be assimilated. And there was a programme in Australia those many years ago, a disgraceful programme of trying to assimilate Aboriginals remove them from their culture and assimilate them into into white culture. So but you know, he had a lot of torment, he was abused as a kid but, but found acting to be a very special way of expressing himself and, and he always said he wished he had had an elder like himself to be able to mentor him and help him not make some stupid decisions with white powders and, and various other drugs. And he, so you spent some time in jail and stuff like that from his young age, because he didn't have that mentorship. But now that mentorship establishment is is very evident in Australia, which is, which is fantastic. So, so he's been a real I guess, a mark of a mentor, a light a mark of inspiration, moving to next show. The next one. Oh, by the way, any comments on that one? Are we not doing comments? Thumbs up, I think, I think Jack and Archie are up wherever they are in dreamland, playing music and singing songs. So yeah. In previous no shows, we've also talked about human progress moving forward. But there's been some confusion over whether these last few years, whether these last few years, have you have things that become worse or not? Well, it's official modern slavery has shot up by 10 million people in the last 10 years, which is a story to pay attention to, because that's horrific. I mean, what do you know about modern slavery? It by the way, those numbers were were people who are including including forced marriages. Yeah. So you know, indentured slavery, people get into debts, and then they become slaves to somebody to pay them off. And forced marriages as well. But it's gone up over 10 million people. And they were talking about some of the mass migrations being making. And this is something that we've been talking about for for months on the no show about upcoming mass migrations due to water shortages. And that just puts a huge, huge number of people at risk of these modern slavery practices. So yeah, it's just, it's it's incredible, better infrastructure and get ready for this because it's happening. So yeah. Yeah. You're gonna talk about the economy? Well, yeah, there's so many things to talk about. So, of course, anybody who was paying attention in the last few days would have realised the stock market and sort of like melted down or at least showed signs of it. It's not something that's surprising. Everybody who is in the business has been has been calling that that that sort of thing was going to happen and this really has not been the absolute meltdown. But a lot of experts are actually calling it the start of it. There are many people who have fought who are waiting for a pullback in the market who would have just said, Okay, well, this is it this moment is now I'm going to jump in. As someone who studies the charts along with a whole bunch of other people who are way more qualified than I am, the reading is that this is not going to be the end as in, there's going to be a lot of buyers of the dip, but they're not going to be enough to support the market. That's the feeling that we have, because too many things are in place right now, to make it tough. I've combined all the stories together. So I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about why that big, big move happened. It was all because of the inflation numbers. And it was because that they thought everybody would have had the kind of optimism that inflation hadn't been beaten. And this was the big, big task for for Biden was to beat inflation. And so when it came to it was, it would have been Wednesday morning, when the market opened, or I think it's Thursday, it could be Thursday morning, when the market open. There was inflation data that came out, and it was not as good as they thought it would be. So the optimism would have been that at least it would have not changed, it wouldn't have gotten worse, it actually got a little bit more worse. And why that was such a big deal is because it makes the future steps inevitable. The future steps essentially are the steps where the Fed is going to have to increase the lending rate. And that's going to increase the cost of acquiring money, which is going to be a pressure on all things financial. And so simultaneously, the market plummeted. I mean, it was a thing to behold, I was I was trading at the time. And literally almost anything that was related to the US dollar changed massively shifts that will take a day happened within a second. And that was the kind of thing the news was that momentous because of the inability immutability of all the things that are to come. So when it comes to the Feds announcement, it's not going to be the thing, now, it's not a question of if they're going to say, we're gonna have to reduce or increase the rates, they seems very little else that can be done, but to increase those rates, and that's going to be a lot of pain for the economy, because that's going to slow everything down, that the housing market, for instance, is in danger of collapsing in 210 of the US housing market, housing markets, because the risk is there not that it could lose as much as 20% of the home values. Now, the way it works is because a lot of I mean, you know, like all of us, we have mortgages, and when you increase the lending rate that throws a whole wave of increases in rates across the board. Now some people are just barely getting by right now as it is. Some people even at this rate already throwing in, throwing in the towel, literally throwing the keys to the owner and say, You know what, take this, I don't need to do this mortgage anymore to go into the bank, and literally just hand over the keys, because that's the cheaper, easier option. Whereas when you add the the fact that sort of become even more expensive, and anybody who is in a market, because they are able to because of credit, suddenly now face a situation where they can't, homes are gonna get released without, you know, they could be foreclosed on. And that always causes a cascade. So the big risk right now is is what happens. There's a little bit of time right now. But the expectation, as I said, once the Fed makes its announcement is the wave of increasing rates is going to go through the entire economy. And that's why everybody has such a, either a terrible or a fantastic day, a few days ago. So that's, that's basically all the Finance News or not all of it, but just the mainstays of it. That's why you haven't been sleeping very well. Right. No, terrible. Alright, so the in the Ukraine, we've obviously seen a lot of news in the last couple of weeks, but more recently, than the stories of success that nuclear Ukraine's taken, I think it's like 1000 square miles they've retaken. And there's a lot of talk about victory being imminent. But and that's happening a lot in the media. But on the other side, I'm following a lot of military and political sort of commentators and experts. And they're saying that this war has got a long way to go. But the confidence that Ukraine can succeed and win this war has gone up, which means of course, they're gonna get access to more weapons. But there's another really big conversation that's taking place in the media and on social media that isn't in the mainstream. And that is what's next. So, Putin fails in in a situation like this. There's a very, very, very strong The chance that he will be outed. But there's no succession plan in place for him, right? There's no, there's nobody being groomed to take over because Putin is in charge. And that's the end of it. In fact, anyone who looked like they could potentially take over is in jail poisoned or they accidentally fell off a balcony. Right. So. So this is going to create a lot of destabilisation. And there's also this really rising far right like far, far right movement, and they are furious about what's going on in Ukraine. And they're ashamed that Russia is losing it. And these guys are the crazy ones, like the really, really crazy ones. And they, you know, if they could get into power, or or, you know, have any influence I mean, then we could be looking at some some pretty significant stuff. And then, of course, Yesterday, we saw the, the subtle, the subtle conversation that went on between President Z and Putin, where China expressed questions and concerns. So from all I'm reading, while the war is shocking, and we want it to be over as quickly as possible. What's next, as far as Russia is concerned, concerned, could be even more dis destabilising. And, of course, we don't know what Putin could do in a desperate situation, if there's so much pressure on him, you know, who knows what he's capable of doing. So that's a that's a story to pay attention to. But pay attention to the other side of the story of what's going to happen with Russia next. I think that's a really important, important piece of the story as well. There was an environment update, another Climate report states the world's chance of avoiding the worst ravages of climate breakdown, or diminishing rapidly. And seriously some of the stuff I'm reading, you would be terrified of what's coming on as if you actually, were reading what I was reading. We are moving into an uncharted territory of destruction, and we've already seen it. It's already begun. It's just going to get worse. And, you know, our chances of staving off catastrophe are going down every day. With that we delay. Tim, you got to find a one. Yeah, finale to add to the news, Ken Starr, the notorious investigator of the Bill Clinton. impeachment is dead. Remember Ken Starr? Well, Monica Lewinsky amazing tweet, she tweeted, as I'm sure many can understand my thoughts about Ken Starr bring up complicated feelings. But of more importance, is that I imagine it's a painful loss for those who love Him. How dignified is that? Good? Yeah, yeah, exactly. The person, the person who most harmed in that was her. Have you watched her TED talk on shame? No, I think everyone in the world should watch that TED Talk. It's such an important TED Talk. And, and also, we should all sort of check ourselves that, you know, when there's a scandal like that in the future, and if there's a woman in the centre of that scandal, that not all I mean, Bill Clinton was fine. Right? She wasn't it's destroyed her life. And it's Yeah, watch her TED Talk. It's very, very powerful. Weirdly enough, the other one who probably lost a great opportunity was Hillary. Yep. I think I think she could have been President. I think that mod her that it? Instead of her being here, she was lessened because of what Bill did. Yeah. And the fact she stayed with him as well. Yeah. So but the women always suffer. It's really quite remarkable. Alright, so in the remaining time, we're doing all right, we Tom was going to talk about this story that appeared in The Guardian, and I need to I need to share it, but the title is the super rich preppers planning to save themselves from the apocalypse. And this appeared in The Guardian, just in the last couple of weeks. So the author is a guy called Douglas Rushkoff. And I've actually invited I've just bought his book. But he was invited to address a group mysteriously described as ultra wealthy stakeholders. And this guy is he predicts technology trends. And he had to go out into the middle of the desert to meet these people. So this is how his story starts. He's never met, people have more wealth in his life. And the conversation started with Well, first of all, he thought he was going to speak and then he wasn't he was basically the five or six of them sat around in a table and had a conversation. And it started with Bitcoin or Aetherium, virtual reality or augmented reality, who will get quantum computing first goop China or Google? So that's, that's kind of the beginning, right? But then they got stuck into the questions that I really invited this guy to answer. New Zealand or Alaska, which region would be less affected by the coming climate crisis? Which was the great which was the greater threat global warming or biological warfare? How long should one plan to be able to survive with no outside help? Should a shelter have its own air supply? What was the likelihood of groundwater contamination and the last one How do I maintain or maintain authority over my security force after the event, and the event? Is their use euphemism for environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, solar storm, unstoppable virus, or malicious computer hacks that type everything down? When I read it, there's so much about this article that I loved. And that's why I wanted to talk about it today. The first thing was, there's a lot of clarity in those questions, didn't you think? Yes, it's very, it's very waste. Yeah. Yes. Well, if you've hired a futurist, I mean, those are the questions to ask I, you know, I, I. They're not a futurist. And they say that in the article, I'm not a futurist. People think I am a futurist. I talk about technology trends, but yeah, yeah, that just that was, you know, because if they wanted a futurist, I could get one or security adviser or that actually, it was more of a philosophical conversation, which I thought was, well, I'm just, again, this is the thing about it, even if you don't identify yourself as a futurist, and people look to you and say, You always know where the trend is going. You are a futurist. What I mean, okay, so when I, when I when I read about the various things they talked about, I mean, we're gonna talk about what they talked about, first, just the initial reactions. Are there any answers to the questions? I think there will always be, they'll always be answers to those questions I formed, I formed some answers along the way, as well. And I actually think if you asked me about whether or not it was a good thing to do, I mean, seriously? Absolutely. You know, and in terms of if I, whether I'm super wealthy or not, to prepare for the future, is completely what all of us should do, right? And what you can do and you can, you can only use the resources that you have, you can pull the levers that you have. And if you're super wealthy, I'm afraid some of the levers that you have available are going to be slightly different and gold plated I mean, obeyed actually your diamonds right. Now that's that's the that's the way it works. So there's a great sense of unhappiness that I'm feeling just from, from the vibe of what what we when we look at the story, and I, yeah, I kind of have to look at it from the perspective of the Guardian, right? I mean, the Guardian is pushing your buttons with the story. It is in saying something about how incredibly clever it is of the wealthy people to figure out plans like this to kind of look after look through the to ensure survival. What they're actually doing is saying to you, well, this is what you can't have. And I don't agree with that. Just because it's a it's a transcript from it from the book. It's not it's not it's not the Guardian pushing an angle. And I know, a lot of people have got weird opinions about the guardian. But, but this is literally a transcript from the book. So I don't I don't take the Guardian sort of angle for that. Yeah. Well, I mean, for me, I think it's about choosing, you know, the dude, The Guardian still has to editorialise is still chooses, you know, I think what it wants to put in there. And this particular discussion, I mean, seriously, it makes it does exactly, to me as a media consumer as it's supposed to, right, which is supposed to make me feel like, Oh, I'm angry about this, I'm gonna react to it. I thought about it actually, in terms of of myself, given that if someone shows me that the future is going to be such What am I going to do about it? What do I do? Right? I mean, a lot of people don't address it, don't even look at it. And so what we are essentially I think I feel anyway they were mad about is that these people are actually doing something about it. The other thing about this is the way it seems like this is the only solution that the super wealthy are adopting that all they're doing is looking after their self preservation. I don't see room for it, where they go like someone is doing this, and the rules are trying to solve the problem. You know, I mean, I think the the the assumption is the super healthy, the super wealthy are going to bury bury themselves into the ground and safety and do nothing, you know, for me is what what is the sustainable thing if I am someone, but let's let's, let's take luck out of the whole equation. And let's say I am, I become one of the super wealthy because I'm kind of super smart. And I have I have some different ideas. And I've been very clever about things right. Your obligation is kind of to survive so that you can try and solve the problem, you can be part of the solution. I mean, that's just my my idea. Of course, it doesn't mean that everybody who's there is there to try and contribute in that way. But that's just my my two cents on That one, it's not automatically a bunch of evil people who have decided to leave everything behind. I think they, you know, they're doing what they must, I feel I, so I've got a couple of different takes on it. One is, if they are meeting there and they're building their shelter in their private army, then one of the ways out for everybody is to join their private army. So if you really want to, they're talking about putting collars on their private army so that they can keep them Serbian. Okay, then the other the other thing is, is that a world you're really going to want to live in anywhere this post apocalypse, if the world goes to crap like this, trying to protect yourself in it, you know, good luck to you. But if you get through it, what's what's left? And you and then as the mega billionaire with, with with, you know, a million cans of tomato soup, were locked up downstairs. You know, we've seen this this all happened in the in the post Second World War nuclear stuff where people were building their giant shelters underground. And, you know, there was movies made. I can't remember what was the movie called something? Something man. Where, where he was the fella that was the lead in the mummy. He was underground with his dad. His dad was Christopher Walken. And he was the lead in the mummy. What was his name? It sounds like a really bad Alerus movie, Brendan, Brendan Fraser ready for it. It's a fantastic movie, I love it. And he will do the show. Okay. Because the thing that thing locks itself that we can find out pretty quickly. But But anyway, and then there was a bunch of shared, you know, newsletters that I subscribed to about 10 years ago or 15 years ago, where some of them were the naysayers about what's going to happen and, and that you got to have silver coins and, and some gold and and you got to have it in a chest somewhere and in hidden somewhere in your house and protected and all of that because you know, what are you going to be trading with the currency system was down, it's only going to come down to these precious metals and all this sort of stuff. And it was a lot of doom and gloom and look, hey, these sorts of stories are going to come up quite often what what what's nice about this story is if these mega wealthy dudes are asking Bitcoin or Aetherium, I'm like, great. Good, at least one of them is getting the vibe. And then and you know, and then the other one is who gets quantum computing first China or Google, I like how it's not China or the USA, it's China or a company. And so I thought, oh, that's kind of interesting. And then, you know, so then, so I, but I do find it, the big thing that came through to me while listening to that was, you're ultra wealthy, and you want to hide rather than try and fix the problem. And use your use your influence, to really change everything and say, Hey, hang on hot, I made a lot of money doing this. But this has got to stop. So there was a lot of things that came through it. So one of the one of the quotes never before ever have our society's most powerful players assumed that the primary impact of their own inquests of their own conquests, would be to render the world itself unlivable for everyone else. And they really, that's, that's one of the sort of real angles that sort of stood out what they're doing is creating the problem. And all they're doing now is working out how to survive what they created. So I found that really interesting. But then this other guy that gets brought into this, his name is JC Cole, right? And so he sort of witnessed the whole sort of birth of the post Soviet empire, and really, you know, worked out how to rebuild societies from scratch. And so what he's done is he's built this community farm, where him his family, people that he likes, he wants to get a doctor and a dentist, which is very sensible, security, detail, everything to protect this farm, but at the same time, they're building another farm for for for the society. And he can't get anyone to invest in this idea, but his whole sort of focus is I'm going to take care of myself. But I also want to create something collective so that everybody can be taken care of, and the language of the this group of five didn't talk about anybody else. It really was, how do we do it? Do we, you know, how am I the only person with the key to the food cabinet? You know, rather than how do we make sure that the lady with the baby that comes to the gate, desperate for food, you know, how do we how do we deal with that moral dilemma, and he's thinking about that stuff, right? And but the other big thing that just really came through for me is that we can't expect anyone to step in and take care of us. If this catastrophe falls on our shoulders, and by all indications it's coming and the fact that those sort of people are sitting down having that conversation, and spending money on having that conversation and spending their time, which is more important than money for people like that tells you that this is a real concern from people sitting at the misery at the business, the middle of the Business in the investment world, and we should be paying attention to because they're paying attention. So we should be paying attention. And so many people are not paying attention. They're not paying attention at all. So we're going to, we're going to be overrun with these grief when we have to face up to something that we are not even remotely paying attention to. And that's my biggest concern right now. You know, I talk to people about this all the time. What are you doing, you know, like, you know, people thinking about their money, people thinking about pensions, people thinking about the future, you know, where you live? Is it safe? Do you need to move your family? So my Cypher, you know, I hear people telling me their dreams, and I'm sitting there thinking, but there's gonna be no water available in that part of the world, probably within about 10 years, you know, Is that really your dream that you want to follow? In? So we're not thinking about it, but these guys are, and we, that's what we should be paying attention to? They're paying attention, which should be a sign that we should be paying attention. Does that make sense? It does, depending on who, though they are of the type of multi multi multi billionaires that we're talking about here, that are sitting in that room having that conversation, you know, okay, so, so a lot of this, and I'm gonna put it down to something else as well, right, which is essentially fear, right? It's the thing that wealthy people have no fear, it's, it's ridiculous because they are fearful. And if anything, they have even more reason to be fearful. You have to combine that with the fact that there's also a multi billion dollar marketing machine that wants to get this stuff out there. Because this, this is the world that we live in right now where I can tell you that story and you kind of go like I can, I can buy that I can believe that. So this is the kind of story where I can tell you that and the world's going to be very, very tough at that time, there's going to be all kinds of anarchy, we're gonna protect ourselves from that, because we have gotten this system of building ourselves into an impenetrable, you know, Hill, where access is only granted to those who have a special Aetherium wallet. And it's going to be embedded in the back of your eyes so that it's going to be totally secure in all different things, right. And that's the kind of thing that you can sell to someone who is fearful about something that they have no control over. You know, the thing about this is in terms of what what it is a sales pitch about past the end of what we have right now, it's not a sales pitch about what we have currently. It's not like I living in Bukit Timah feels like I wanted to upgrade myself to now remove myself from sunlight, even though personally, I think that's a really good idea. Most people want to have a nice garden, they want to have all that space outside. But they're thinking in terms of when it all goes to shit. If it does, this is my insurance policy. And that's the thing about insurance insurance is something you buy hopefully in a way that you'll never have to use it. It's it is like we talk about the apocalypse, right? Where we're also trying to avoid the apocalypse. And when we decide that the apocalypse has happened with someone right now from the 70s looking at today, going like, oh, the apocalypse has happened. The the the the the the environment is completely screwed. We're getting all these storms everywhere. I mean, if you describe, if you describe the past two weeks in weather, the someone in the 70s and said the apocalypse is here, they would agree. So whether or not we're in the Apocalypse, whether there's a consensus that we're in Apocalypse, I think is separate from what this is about. This is about after that has happened. What do you do, right? If there is if we have gone through everything else, and all of it has failed spectacularly, then now what are we going to do? We're now going to be in a very hostile environment. I mean, okay, let's look in the future right? Wall has ended because of weather. Who are you going to blame straight away? Right, America, I mean, we're not going to say just anybody, we're going to look at the rich folk, because someone's going to be telling that story to be very believable. Bill Gates is going to have a tough time finding someone to welcome him as well. Because even if he's doing everything he can to try and solve the problem. Somebody in the back of the room is going to be able to stand up point a finger at him and say you cause this and there's going to be a lot of people who say yeah, because it's going to be absolutely convenient to do that. You're absolutely right, we have to do something about this. We have to take responsibility for what we have in other like we haven't done ourselves and the human race is famously good at doing that. So what I think the next the next five years, so like, you know, when you talk use words like the apocalypse, right? And I don't find that sort of terminology very useful. Obviously, you know, we get up to 3.2, we're certainly going to be in an apocalypse. But the next five years are going to be really interesting. So we're having the third learning year year, which means that for the next sort of 12 months or so we can probably guarantee the weather patterns based on what we've seen for the last couple of years. So we know what that looks like, right? But it's when El Nino comes back in next that we're going to experience the first 1.5 degrees before, so we're going to experience it within the next five years before it becomes embedded. And so you know, just the other day, I was wandering around this community in Phuket Town to sort of capturing some footage of the waste and the rubbish that's in the water, and sort of trying to say to the community, come on, let's solve this problem, get it out. But the but the places that these people are living in literally 10 shifts. So if it gets above 1.5 degrees, there is no way these people can survive in just just living in those tin sheds, they cannot survive. And, you know, it was really hard already. But what are we going to do to help them so I, you know, if if it becomes runaway, and these five tipping points, six tipping points were supposed to be hitting soon, you know, the first thing we'll probably see is sea sea rise. And that's going to sort of gradually start taking away shorelines. You know, I was looking at this construction of this villa complex the other day, and I know that beach is one of the beaches, it's going to get, you know, washed away, you know, so we're the world's dealing with the emissions of these constructions taking place, in places that will no longer be, you know, no one's ever going to live in those houses for maybe a year or two. Right. But they're still selling them, they're still building him. And it's like, when are we going to wake up to this? You know, like it for the people, for the developer? It's not a good story, right. But at the same time, the developers should have been paying attention to this a long time ago, why would you ever Why would you build near the beach? You know, it just doesn't make any sense. So I don't know, we're not we're not we're not we're not thinking about this in the right way. I mean, we have, you know, you know, the, there was another article that we haven't didn't bring up today that talks about how the world's economists are basically recognise that they need to start aligning the future economic predictions to climate science. I mean, the fact that they haven't had that epiphany before, is bit shocking, don't you think, you know, like, when we were talking about the economy, the last time we were here, you know, the, the famine, not the famine that's here. But, you know, the French food shortages that are coming, that are gonna have a huge impact in every country is going to experience food shortages. So we've just got to start really thinking about it, but we have to operate as a community. If it's each for their own, then we're gonna get anarchy, and then we're going to have an apocalypse. And it's Mad Max future. But if we come together, with or without our governments, we can, we can get prepared and face up to what's coming. If you're, if you're doing your renovation in your house, and it's going to be underwater in a couple of years time, you're wasting money, but you're also creating emissions, you know, be agile, be ready to move, you know, start looking at it. And if people are stupid enough to buy a house that's going to be underwater in a couple of years. Well, you know, multiple them, the first, the first will know of it, is when our insurance claims go skyrocket, because our house is considered vulnerable. So the insurance industry's on onto the vulnerability in the climate of the climate impacts. You know, the scientists are obviously aware, but the banks are starting to be aware that I think was the Commonwealth Bank of Australia realise how much of its mortgage portfolio was under threat from climate risks. And they've only just done that just in the last few months. So there's, you know, we've got to take some responsibility here and pay attention, if you need to move could be a good time to be thinking about it, you know. So I know the I know, the capitalist argument is very seldom popular into solving the world's problems, because it causes so much of it, but I think where we are, is we were in a place where the market, the market does have to move back and forth, that's the way it is that the market does swing left swing right in politics and becomes left wing and becomes more right wing. You know, and we keep passing and missing the centre it seems. So the kind of thing that's gonna happen in terms of the environment is kind of like what happened to the the watch market in China, right? So if everybody thinks it's gonna be you know, it's a great investment just because get get some very expensive watches, finally made watches and just keep buying and they're gonna keep going up in value, and it's gonna be fantastic. That's a consensus, right? And then what happens is, suddenly, it's not a great idea, right? And it takes a lot of not a great idea moments before people go like, you know what, it's not a great idea. I mean, the the evidence of this for me is the number of people in the US who live on a tornado corridor. I don't understand why you can do that once and then not say, You know what, not a good idea, instead of which they rebuild Then go like, well, it's coming, it's coming. Well, you know, what I've been living in Singapore haven't been exposed to a tornado very much here. So that's my choice about that the same with living on a fault where, you know, literally the big earthquake and come and put you all in the ocean. But yeah, so Alaska versus New Zealand. So yeah, there's, there's, there's a little bit, there's a little bit about bad decision making that is inherent in human behaviour. And it's also inherent actually, in what makes us great. It's our ability to not see how terrible things are, that actually allows us to move forward. Because if you if you look at everything right now, we're supposed to say, nobody have any children, nobody fall in love. It's not going to be worthwhile. We should never do anything for ourselves, we should just stay here and let death overcome us. Why do we do this at all? Let's get up. Okay, there's a there's an article, there was an article in the New Republic, which was titled Marjorie Taylor Greene, Marjorie Taylor Greene's new climate theory is absurd. It's also very smart. And let me just explain a little bit about what was in that. It's basically the shift of the Republican argument from climate denial to climate delay. Decay. Have you been aware of that? So? So if I get it, we now know we're not the party? That's denying it, because it's obviously happening? Yeah. No, we've never denied it. It's it. But it's just not going to happen as fast as everybody's saying. But the reason why her theory there was saying her theory is absurd, but it's also very smart. He's heard her theory is actually, climate change is great. Because look at how many people die because of the cold. And so I know, so, so that's the absurd part. And but, and then it's like, and then there's this benefit, and then there's that benefit, the reason why they said Okay, so that's the absurd part. The third part is to try and say, you know, like you said, the people living in, in tin sheds are going to be basically living in ovens, it's going to be unlivable. And there's going to be, you know, with the water shortages, and the melting glaciers, and all of that sort of stuff. The the mass migration due to the lack of water, going to be World War water is WW, that's the last one. But the, but when when they say it's very smart, the reason why this thing is very smart, as they're trying to sell the shift to climate delay, through positivity. And the reason and so it's how do we paint the picture? That making these changes is great, it's not avoid pain, instead, move to good. How do we? How do we come up with climate positive solutions or activities? And, and typically, the argument is going to be, well, if you want that forest and you love that park, we have to do it. But it's it's got to be how can we make it even greener? How can we make it even more beautiful? How can we make this available to us? How can we find solutions that we can continue to travel without causing emissions? You know, that would be brilliant. And, and so it's how do we paint the solution with a positive brush, rather than paint the activity with a fear of impending doom? And by the way, the top of that, let me, let me go back to that, that that image at the top of that, says Apocalypse soon. Okay, now to buckle up soon, because it's delay. Yeah, you'll hear the link to the article. It's, it's so interesting. So delay and positivity seems to be two of the American sort of ideas around what we're facing. And if the GOP get back in and rip up Republican Democrat, I'm, you know, I, I, I'm, I'm not pro Trump, but whatever, you know, whatever American votes for, but if we vote, a party in that is has a message of delay, then that is going to hurt the people. And it's going to hurt the world, right? We haven't got time for that sort of mentality in public life. But the positivity thing, so the American media, trying to share information about the climate emergency in a positive way, because they don't want people getting too upset, and people don't like to read, you know, just just the other day I did my climate coverage thing. And some friends have said, I know, I know, it's really important, but it's really hard to listen to and, and when I when I did it, I'm like, I know this is hard. You know, I've been trying to share a negative message for a long time. And I've been trying to work out how to share a negative message in a way that people actually want to listen to. And it's not because I want to share a negative message. It's because we need to pay attention, because we're all at risk. Now. Every you know, the equator will become an unlivable zone. So Joe sitting there in Bukit Timah you're going to be living in an unlivable zone and Singapore is going to sort itself out and do to what it can. But the day might come where you guys have to migrate, right? I can I can migrate north and south. Tim, I think you can, too, right. But, you know, mass migration, if we go too far, you know, Singapore can potentially build its infrastructure to support a 1.5 degree world, but it can hold back the oceans forever, even though it's got incredible infrastructure in place. So, you know, we can't put a positive spin on something. Yeah, I guess I'm so what we're doing. Right, we're not doing the minimum to address it yet. So until we do, we can't put a positive spin. And then we were talking about the aerosol effects. And I've been reading more about that. And you know, things are not looking good in on that front, either. So no. Oh, I was just gonna say greenwashing is the positive spin or it's the greenwashing is we're doing something about it when we're really not. And or it's a tiny, tiny percentage of what the business is really doing. But we, but it's a massive percentage of our marketing. The the positive spin about their message is if they want to provide a message of climate delay in climate action, because it's not going to happen as soon as everyone says, Don't worry about it. The posit that they're putting a positive spin on why climate change is good. I mean, that's just nonsense. But having something positive to look forward to, rather than because the reason why people aren't listening to the hot message is because it seems like you can't enjoy everything you have now anymore. Yeah. And so so if I don't, if I want, if I listen to the message, then I have to, it's like, it's like, you know, alcohol is bad for you stop drinking it, it's proven, it's bad for you, but everyone keeps drinking it. Why? Because if I listened to that message, I won't get to enjoy this escape that I have. And it's exactly the same thing with with this. But there's got to be a good end to it, there's got to be a, if I do this, like I managed to change management organisations all the time, give them the light at the end of the tunnel for going through the dip of productivity and in discomfort and change and upgrades of systems and everything else. It's what's the beautiful, you will not the utopia, but what's the beauty? What's the promised land? Because at the moment, it's desolation. So I'm going to avoid the message. So it's, it's not? Well, it basically every, every minute that we delay, the desolation gets worse. So it's not about what you can get out of it. It's about how bad do you want the future to be for your children? You know, so it's, it's, it's, it's something humanity's never had to face before this sort of big decision. But that's, that's, that's our responsibility, we have to accept being a bit miserable in our lives. Because trust me, I've been a bit of a miserable cow this year, really coming to terms with how far we've come. Not expecting this till 2015 Not expecting this to 2080. You know, I've had to, you know, really move forward in my thinking, and I find it hard to be joyful in social situations, and I hate it. But at the same time, like when I'm around people who are joyful, I know that they're not paying attention, because if they were, they couldn't be joyful. So it is not an it's not a joyful awareness. But and really, what we've got to do is accept it. And try to make sure that it's not absolutely horrific. You know, I was reading one of the professor's I don't know if I've said this before, a child born today is expected to have a life expectancy of 30 to 40 years, the majority of which will be terrible. Like, isn't that motivation enough to make sure that that doesn't happen? You No. You know what, I think? I think what would be an interesting message is, or framing of the message is the world's got cancer means we need surgery. We need to go through chemo. But we can come out the other end with with something to live for. Yeah, but but the doctor has said, the world's got cancer. And, and, and people can relate to that message. Because there is chemo is going to be hard. It's operable. And, but there's an end maybe, that we can come out with, with with with life. You know, I mean, it's a it's really challenging because it's got to be message something like that adults, but But it says I think we need different language to Tim you know, and we need to we need to think in a different ways than we've ever done before. And, you know, we've got we're at the end now, but it's it's a really complicated thing. I know. I'm with you. You know, we could talk about just that topic for a long time, you know, but I think we just need to be grownups. I just want to just throw this in before we run out of time. But you know, essentially, if you think about the idea of the Promised Land, the promised land would have been meaningless without the Egyptians. So you know, this, this is the whole thing about and if you don't understand that reference, please read the Bible. But we need a number of things to happen. One is the very, very clear sense that the that the that the horrible and is very, very clear, right? People need to have that says they have to be convinced of it. You know, there's some people who say, like, I'll never give up my beliefs and what I do every day, I'll never, never never give up and put a gun on their head and go like, you know, what, hey, ticket, right? We need that moment. And that is that actually the gun to the head? The thing is exactly right. The Promised Land is survival. And it only looks better. When you look at what is the alternative. And when you believe the alternative is exactly what it's said to be right now. Then you go like, Okay, I think I can do that. Right. Right now we continue to do what we do, because the future that we don't think is absolutely true. You know, it's negotiable. And that's where that positivity comes in. You're right. That being positive is a great thing. Except when you're in trouble. You know, the last thing you want when the planes going down is someone who is positive. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Psychology movement. I mean, I think, you know, that's like the people who really believe and embrace that idea. I think they're really going to struggle the most, you know, and I think Oprah did an amazing job for many, many years, sort of really waking people up, and it was beautiful. But I think actually, now those people are not armed with the strength of character that they need. Because this is about being courageous and brave and strong. And, and it's about sacrificing our joy, so that our children have a chance, you know, and yeah, anyway, what's keeping you distracted at the moment? Is I certainly need distractions at the moment. Really well to wrap it up. Time travel. Time travel, okay. I was watching a Korean drama called I was watching a Korean drama called Alice. Okay, and it's it gets it gets extraordinary gets it plausible, up well, apart from the time totally, but it's plausible after a pot where you go hang on a minute. And at that point, my wife checked out. And I, I saw it through, I kept going going, Well, I'm just going to, I'm going to let the paradoxes God has just didn't see it's really like I've invested eight hours in this already, I'm going to finish the 16, or whatever it was. But I really enjoyed it. I mean, I just enjoyed it. I haven't watched too many Korean dramas before. But that was it got very convoluted with the time travel. Because the poor guy, the poor guy kept meeting his mother in various times, over and over and over again. And anyway, it's, it was a nice watch. I liked it. Jonathan, doesn't appeal to me. I've been watching a lot of background noise TV while trading. So I won't I won't mention any of those. But I'll talk about two series that I binge watched and I recommend you consume, especially if you feel that there is no room in the world for drugs, checkout, changing your mind on Netflix. It's aptly titled and it's a very interesting study about it. And also on Netflix as the other series the future of and that talks about a number of things. It's really good. It brings up a few ideas, which I had not thought about. And it's made me go okay, now I'm going to try to figure out how to make that happen. I've been watching a series called blacklist on Netflix. It's a bit corny, but for some reason when I start watching it, I can't stop it because I'm just looking for distraction. Right. But the other thing if you haven't had a chance to watch it, do watch me time. Have you guys watched it? Yeah. absolutely hilarious. If you just had a good belly laugh and you've watched a joke, now Yeah, I mean, look, Kevin, Kevin Hart continues to fall forward into how bad an actor he is. But what I love about it is in the moment, he's the most committed to his fraud in the moment. He's most committed to that moment. And that's, that's the fun. That's the fun that Kevin Hart brings to zero to any situation. It's good. He's done. Yeah, it's absolutely hilarious. It's absolutely brilliant Mark Wahlberg as well. I love him. I think he's really great comedy, but Kevin Hart's also done a serious series which is called real life or something or true story or something. Brilliant. I think he's I think he's still under a estimated? Well, yeah, Kevin Kevin Hart's a guy who has run happily along and fill the space that Will Smith left behind in terms of being in terms of being someone who is a hard worker and who seems to be doing okay with the rest of the world, he's not saying the wrong things too often. And but he's also you know, he's he's an edgier comedian, so he has more room to make mistakes. Yeah. Well, the rug likes him. So I like the rock. Greg just just summons here said great discussion. Thanks. And he's also given us a podcast at checkout for that's aligned, I suppose for what we're talking about. Anyway, we've got five minutes over, we're doing well, you know, very well, I thought today's format worked really well. Good. All right. So we're gonna stick with it. So we get some guest speakers in to join us and then and then they can join in on the new structure. Yeah. All right, guys. Have a great weekend. Watch me time if you need a giggle, and we'll see in a couple of weeks. Bye. Cheers. Take care. Bye bye.