Uncommon Courage

The Know Show – theme - the psychology of influence

May 13, 2022 Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade, Joe Augustin, Karen Leong, Episode 62
Uncommon Courage
The Know Show – theme - the psychology of influence
Show Notes Transcript

Welcome to The Know Show. Join Andrea T Edwards, Joe Augustin and Tim Wade this week as we review the news that’s been capturing attention around the world. We’re also excited to welcome our very special guest, Karen Leong, a transformation expert, who helps people thrive on change through elevating influence and impact. 

Karen will discuss the psychology of influence and how it relates to the events in the world today. She will also dig into how we need to harness our influence to make an impact on what really matters in our lives. Such a critical topic, and one for anyone looking at how they can elevate their influence and make a positive difference. Don’t miss this. 

The Know Show is a Livestream held every Friday, where Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade and Joe Augustin, and at least one special guest, review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters to all of us. 

The Know Show is based on Andrea T Edwards Weekend Reads, which are published every Saturday on andreatedwards.com, and covers the climate crisis, Covid 19, topical moments in the world, global politics, business, social issues and passion/humor/history. Join us. 

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Welcome to the no show. My name is Andrew Edwards. And my name is Joe Augustine. Third missing we'll is Tim Wade, Tim is hurtling his way toward some sort of internet connection and microphone and camera to join us in just a while. And between the three of us, we try to do a show, which helps you Well, I mean, it's called the nose show helps you to know. But it's a bit more than just knowledge. It's about the process, I think of finding out about stuff so you can have more knowledge. And as we were talking about last week, it's either a means to make you the most interesting person at a dinner, or the most frightening person to be next to the same meal. Now, as part of the show, we like to bring in extra points of view as well. And today is no different. So we have our guest, who is someone known as the change catalysts, your transformation expert. And she will, I'm sure, tell us more about how else she is known as well. Could you please welcome Karen Young? Hi, everyone, no one. Thanks for the introduction, Joe. And also good to have you here. Andrea, I'm excited to join you all in the no show. And it's, it's, I think, you know, I'm known as to Change Catalyst. But the key thing is, there's one thing that we do not need to share with people about change, all of us understand the value of change. And, and in fact, you know, I also speak a lot on influence. And, again, everyone understands the value of influence. But I think the one thing that I that we often don't fully grasp is how influential we already are. So influence often is not just about learning or gaining new tips and tools and techniques. But in fact about unleashing our strengths or inner resources that we often lose sight off. So. So I'm, I'm probably going to take a pause here, because I love to just join in the conversation and then learn along the way as well. That's awesome. You can tell you're a total pro. It's funny, when you were talking about change I was I read. Gartner has basically said that 50% of employees are sick of change, and they don't want any more change. And I was I was reading it and just thinking, Man, oh, we've got ahead of his change. This is going to really, really be a battle to you know, just from a mental health perspective, right? We've got so much change coming up in the world, you know. And, yeah, I thought that was a really interesting insight. So because, you know, I was talking to Joe, just before mental health is such an issue in the world. At the moment, I've seen a lot of my friends and people in our community have stepped out, they stepped away, they're off social media, they don't want to be part of that part of the global conversation. And I totally get it right. For these last few months for me probably have been the most brutal I've ever gone through as far as trying to come to terms with what's going on in the world. And it's, you know, we're all still just shaking our heads at the war in Ukraine and what's going on over there. But at the same time, like I honestly think we will look back on 2022 as the year that the climate collapse really started to accelerate. And all the news is indicating that it's well and truly on the way and so getting ready for change and stepping into your influence and using your voice. I think, you know, that's one of our best chances is the good people who have been struggling really need to sort of come back and be part of the conversation otherwise, we're going in a pretty bad direction from from what I'm saying about you guys. How are you? How are you been feeling lately? I would say that I mean, it's it is so true. We have been going through two or three years off of you no change. No thanks to the global Coronavirus marathon, which I think you know, some of us are in some countries are still going through. But I think we also often forget that, you know, our our ancestors have been walking the earth for 6 million years. And we outlived the dinosaurs in terms of the length of time and, and we also forget that we do have strong, great resources of dealing with change. So it's easy to lose sight of that. But when we look ahead and try to change the world, sometimes it is also important to look back and see how far we've come. Because if I would ask, you know, audiences who are listening I mean, what all have you navigated in life? I I've spoken to so many executives who feel burnt out and when I ask them to share about their lives, and I remember this one conversation about it a director and she says that she lost a father when she was a young child and she basically helped her mother who was religious or who was illiterate and her brother who was a special needs and she went through so much. And now she is in the civil services, and also handling all the demands to do with change and also COVID-19. And when I asked her, I said, you know, how would you feel if I share this story of yours is mine. And then she says, If I if that was the story of hurt, I would think you are resilient you are, you are love full of love family oriented, you have tremendous tenacity. And that's when I said, Hey, you know, these are exactly the qualities that I see in you. And she says, How I didn't even see that, because I'm just going through one challenge after the other. And she teared, and I think we often don't give ourselves enough credit. To know that, often, if we don't acknowledge the inner strengths we have, they might go dormant, but they haven't disappeared. It's about just realizing that they're there and they can awaken very easily. That's a nice, positive way to look at it. I like that joke, how you feel? I have a strange way of dealing with feelings. I feel I I anticipate what other people are feeling if you know what I mean, I kind of read what else and I can I borrow from anybody else, I get the feeling that everybody feels a certain way. And I think for myself, I had this very stalkerish way of perhaps not being directly engaged with it. So I I can I can sense how everything is going right now. And today's a particularly, I'd say a low day in the sense that, you know, for the environmental concerns, that's not gone away. The war hasn't gone away. But now you've added a one more layer. Currently anyone with a with a trading account? And then kind of, you know, if you have a retirement fund that's not at all, you know, pegged to the markets. Did he is one of those days when you're going like, I'm not too sure what's going on right now. Anybody who was in crypto, for instance, you know, you're being tested mostly because well, first of all, you didn't know as much going in, and now it sounds and feels like the carpet is being pulled from under you. So there's a lot of different kinds of pain going on. I think today. And I think what's going to happen is, as we talk about stuff, sometimes what happens we'll we'll we'll discover that our pain relative to others may not be as much. But with regard to change, I I think I'm on the other side of things I'm I'm a change maker, It's my nature is to upset people. So I caught up with a best friend of mine from from, we just realized that he six years ago, that was an upsetting number to find out as well. That I tend to agitate, that's me. I like to I like change I am about if this is working now how can we make it better? And I think has to do with the framing. And we can just figure a way to frame things a little bit differently. And here I am trying to make people come away to come around to my way of life. But if if, if if people could feel happy about things or uncertain or unsettled if there wasn't change going on, that will be a better world. Another way of looking at it, so welcome to carry who's who's who's jumping jumped in and joins us from Australia. I hope you're not getting another floods on in New South Wales yet they're just still in Queensland. So something else and it's the sixth flood to hit Queensland this year. It's amazing, right? Should we get stuck into the news? Sure. Yep. All right. We are determined to make this a shorter show today, right? Well, let's talk about change as well right over time, just a short show used to be 45 minutes. Now, where you're saying we were aiming for a short show, let's finish it by two hours. Less, less, less, less. Alright, so a really, really, really cool story came out this week, when the title is supermassive black hole seen at the center of our galaxy. And it's a small black hole by by the standards of black holes, and it's in the Milky Way, which is sort of a view of my childhood. And it's a really beautiful story of passion and perseverance if you have an opportunity to read about it. The scientists behind it if you if you've become cynical towards science, it's a it's a story that will give you hope. Did you guys have a chance to have a look at that or have you seen it? circulating? I must say no, but I love it. It's on my it's on my reading list now. Oh, definitely. Definitely. Definitely have a look. Sorry, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna mute and call. Looks like you've got a bit of a tickle to joke. Anyway. Another story. The title is Elon Musk tweet, claims Vladimir Putin ally is threatening him. He wrote If I die under mysterious circumstances, it's been nice knowing ya. got something going on there. And in response to his tweet, his mum wrote, I am not amused, which I thought was kind of funny. But anyway, this actually links back. This links links back to the story that at the beginning of the war in Ukraine, obviously, the infrastructure was destroyed. So if you're in a war, and you need to get information out, you need the infrastructure. So they, the government reached out to musk and asked him to give them access to Starlink. And that's a satellite, and there's 150,000 active users per day in the Ukraine. And so obviously, a really critical part of the war effort. So I thought that was a cool story. And, you know, seeing all the other stuff that's going on around Musk on the news. You said he certainly he certainly ever present right. There's so many stories about him in any that you've guys have been paying attention to? Well, I'm definitely looking at my Tesla share prices tanking. But, yes, but it's it's incredible, the kind of attention that is gone on his antics, what he does, it also shows that, you know, whoever dominates the media, really could shift markets, and also stuff oxygen off a lot of things. But, but let's not forget the bigger picture as well. Yeah, Joe, you're you're gonna say something? Well, no, I think Karen, this is exactly right about that, you know, influence. This is this is Elon is someone whose influence has grown. And there's several principles to influence I'm sure which we'll get to in the end. But I think Elon Elon is at the stage right now where he's got the biggest megaphone. And that's quite a significant thing. I mean, even even if you're not necessarily convinced directly by him, because of the size of his megaphone, you can hear about him, you can you can hear His voice, despite not trying to seek him out, because it'll find a way that it gets to you because someone will quote somebody else, or whatever it is, like this story. For instance, I've never personally, you know, heard about it. I don't follow Elon Musk. But here I am discussing death threats. And a mother who's unhappy about the joke. Yeah, it's interesting. All right. So another story that broke this week is the Taliban has basically ordered all Afghani women to cover their faces. So back to the full burqa in public. And this is adding to the other restrictions, which include, women do not have the right to travel long distances alone, they are not allowed to work outside of health care or education, and they are not allowed to receive a secondary education. Now, this is a country experiencing severe famine, and people are starving. And you know, everyone's sort of talking about getting foreign aid into the country. But of course, we've talked about this before, it's the real, if you give, if you give aid, you're also you're also supporting this horrible government. If a woman is seen outside without face covering the male, either family member, or employee will be fined and jailed. And basically, the suggestion is to women in Afghanistan, just stay at home and don't go outside at all, if possible, because that's the best option to observe the Sharia traditions of hijab. So these sort of these sort of stories, you know, when you hold women back, and America is holding women back with its abortion rights, there's a lot of movement around the world to bring women's rights back. And when you do that, everyone suffers because the quality is good for everyone. So men suffer when women's rights are taken away. And right now, one of the most important things that we've got to do is we've got to focus on equality, because it's actually one of our best chances of overcoming the emergency that we're facing with the climate. So did you guys have Did you guys see that? Yeah, so it was really it's heart wrenching. I mean, being a woman and and I think the reality is that a lot of the diversity and equality initiatives are focused on corporate, the corporate seen women who are already professionals. And I think, you know, it's good. I think we need to give more oxygen, to stories like that, because, you know, whatever, whatever attention we give, it can grow. The world has a very short attention span. So I really love what you're doing here at the no show, because you are giving it oxygen. And I think because you're so consistent and roping people into this year, we we do need more people to make it go viral and consistently viral. Yeah, Joe. The terrible thing I have in my head is is a joke right here that's going at it right. And I and I, that I'm not gonna borrow something from somebody. Something I heard I think on. Trevor Noah, I think something about how, you know, the Republican Party is looking at the Taliban going like great job. I mean, you know, in terms of what they're doing in terms of restrictions and stuff like that. But ya know, it's on the serious side. It's, it's about kids handsets. And actually this is the this is the thing that that will come up if we talk about markets later on today as well. The world is social. And that's, that's what it is we're social. We're a big social group. And also we're a smaller social groups within this bigger social group. And within that small social group, that that stuff is accepted, you know, it's what it's what accepted, for whatever reason is accepted, because there's no other choice, because the Bible is, is paramount, and therefore you have to go with it. But it is about, you know, the social aspects. And I think I think one of the things that we can we can try and talk about today is how can we try to influence the the smallest social group trying I mean, it's evident that shouting or saying or trying to portray ourselves as better as a better way of doing things is probably not going to be the way to change things. How do you then figure another way? So I think, I think we'll, we'll cross some lines today, we'll we'll we'll cross cross over overlap, I think on some of these things, because I think there's a story about abortion coming up and how to how to win the abortion war as well, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And just before we get into that, there's a story I think it was yesterday at broke, a lady called she's a Palestinian Palestinian American correspondent for Al Jazeera. And her name, and I'm gonna say it wrong. It's Shareen abou, UCLA. And she was killed in the east bank, a shot in the head by an Israeli bullets. Apparently, the Israelis are denying that and saying it was a Palestinian bullet, and her producer was also wounded, wounded. She, as you can see the outpouring of grief that's coming out from her colleagues and her community. And other people working in the media have known him for many, many, many years. She's 51 years old, I think. She was obviously a lady of great integrity. So a very sad loss, I think, for the media world. And also, you know, refocusing that there's a lot of a lot of journalists and a lot of journalists have been killed in the past few years. And, you know, from environmental journalist as well as political journalist. So I thought that was, there was a story worth knowing, because she obviously was a woman, she is a woman, or was a woman worth honoring? I think I think the people who speak out journalists or otherwise, you know, again, this is, these are people that we need to protect them, we need to bring their stories. And it brings to mind, because I'm also speaking at the, I want to give a shout out to the professional speakers association of Afghanistan. So they're based in Sweden, but what they're doing is that they are launching a Global Women's Summit featuring voices of Afghan women, as well as global women. And I read about a story about a 16 year old girl who was supposed to recite a poem in to the Taliban. And at risk of her life, she used that podium to actually talk about and about why it's so important to open secondary schools. And, you know, so for that particular province, they relented, and a couple of months later, the schools started to get open. So so it went viral in the Afghan Media, but I think we can do so much more to bring out stories like that to the world. Yeah, absolutely. You've got educating women. I mean, it's just the number one, you know, that's how you get out of poverty. That's it just, it's everything. Okay, women's rights. Let's go to America with the abortion. So there's obviously been a lot of talk, in the last couple of weeks about the overturning of Roe versus Wade, there's a fantastic article in The Atlantic called How to Win the abortion argument. And it really looks back on, on how it was won the first time around. So if anyone's interested, that'd be my weekend reads Margaret Atwood jumped in with him for enforced childbirth is slavery. And there's been a lot of talk on that context. And it's, it's a very interesting perspective. But probably one of the shocking pieces that came out was the GOP, Mitch McConnell basically said, if they get in power in Washington, and they get control back, they are looking at making it a nationwide ban. So rather than just moving it for the states to decide they're actually looking at reducing it. But the majority of Americans, close to 60% of Americans are actually in agreement, that abortion should be legal in all states in America. So the the, the the amount of how out of tune the Supreme Court and the GOP is with the people is quite shocking. And then another piece that I really recommend is the devastating economic impacts of a of an abortion ban, which is in the New Yorker. When you take away the right for a woman to control her own life. It impacts her ability to get an education which impacts our ability to get a decent job, which impacts her ability to feed children because of course, the GOP don't want to don't want to help them once they've actually given birth, they just want to force them to give birth, there's been all sorts of shocking stuff like basically, if you have a baby, just donate it for adoption. Really, it's really, really actually very disgusting and crass. The conversation that's been going on by the people who are fighting for this, so people in America, please vote, please vote, it's you can't take these rights away from them. And it's and it's the poorest and the marginalized women that are going to suffer the most, you know, wealthy people can get on a plane and go somewhere else in the world and get an abortion. So this is going to be this is going to be a story in the media for quite some time, I'd say, Karen, you know, as a as a Singaporean female? What is? What is I mean, I don't even think I've ever seen it be discussed as an issue. It's just something women have the right to it's not. It's not on? You know, it's, it's not even up for discussion. Is that a correct? Interpretation? Yeah, I mean, we take this liberty so much for granted. I mean, the reality is that, I definitely believe that it's, it's a woman's body, it's her right to choose. So I can't imagine it would definitely set us back, you know, if women were fought if abortion was banned. It's very much like prostitution as well, you know, the government believes that making prostitution legal would ensure safer, you know, highest safety for everyone, the sex workers in the customers. So a lot of times when we ban things, it doesn't really go away. It actually just goes underground, and there is much greater risk to people who actually still need to go through with it. So we want to see the bigger impact. Yep. Yeah. I mean, I've always sort of cross Asia, it just seems to be it's a it's a personal choice. And it's not something that the government gets involved in, right across. And obviously, it goes to the extreme where people are aborting female children because they want male children. And we've got all that sort of stuff going on as well. But women seem to have the right to make those decisions. So it doesn't seem obviously in the Philippines, that will be different, because it's a predominantly Catholic country, but the majority of Asia, it seems to be a woman's right. And am I am I reading that? Right? I think the right is one thing, but there's also the nudge that comes along with that, because I don't I don't think there is. So there is everyone has a right. I think I think how, how I describe Singapore to my friends to try to figure it out. I feel like it's Singapore is a place where a lot of things are legal, but not everything is encouraged. So if you talk about an abortion, for instance, and again, I realized that I'm speaking from the other side of the fence here, but I believe in Singapore, you you can proceed with one but not without watching a video or something that's going to sort of dissuade you a little bit before that. So you know, that's that's kind of the mechanics of it here. Is it like yet can be done. But there's a process, right, there's a process and the process does try to dissuade you from from having an abortion Lamin as far as I understand. Right. Okay. I thought this was an interesting little piece. US billionaires demand for Golden passport schemes, rockets by 337% in recent in the last three years. And basically, all of these billionaires are buying the rights to these passports, which means they have to invest millions of dollars in these countries, because they have fears over an impending civil war in their home country. So it's kind of so the countries that came up are Portugal we've got a whole bunch of friends who have just have just moved to Portugal, not not necessarily millionaires. Well, I don't know. Malta, Malta, New Zealand and Austria. So they're the four countries that were pulled out. What I found is that three years ago, I went to Malta for the first time and it's a beautiful country. Have you guys ever been there? It has no water. All of its water is shipped in. And I'm like, Oh, if you get if you're going to choose a passport, surely you got to choose a country where it's not already well and truly on the way to, you know, its climate sort of end, you know, with lack of water. So, but yeah, so the rich are running away. So I thought that was kind of interesting. Which one of the four would you go to New Zealand? I think Singaporeans are already escaping to New Zealand, New Zealand when they can and then when they get there, they realize oh, this is a bit colder than we thought. You know, and there's no Hawker foods. So people people I think run away from from circumstances when they can. And, you know, Portugal was the first time we're talking about Portugal because we have a good friend. You know, who's gotten there to run his business and now now export as pounds the value of a cheap and good cup of wine you know, whenever he is like Right. The idea that the wealthy are only now making the move shows you these people, these are the less forward thinking ones, I think the more forward thinking ones are already here in Singapore, as you might be left a long time ago. And the here, I think, I can't remember the name of the very famous billionaire investor who left America many, many years ago. And for that reason, he just he just saw, he foresaw the civil unrest in the US, and just said, it's a better place not to be in the it's just better not to be in the US right now. And I mean, you know, places like Singapore really are a great place. Because if you are, if you're someone who is an investor, and you make your money from capital gains, there is hardly a place that's better than here, in terms of either just just having your money work for you, because it's the money that works for you. Bye, bye. I think. If it's private money, it's tax free. You know. So that's, that's really one of the incredible things about things like this, I think Malaysia has been quite aggressive as well in their in their push to get people to come in, migrate and live and retire in Malaysia. So I think what we're seeing right now is the numbers as far as the bigger fish are concerned, but I think there's there's been a move for many, many years. I think it's just, you know, for for various reasons. The retirement outside or moving outside of the US seems like a good idea. And I mean, you know, most people would if they could, I think, you know, that there's a there's a if it was as simple and money makes things simple. You know, I think many people would, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Singapore, obviously is, it's safe. You know, it's, it's peaceful, mostly, you know, it's the US passed, it's 1 million COVID deaths this week, officially. So there's a little bit of coverage, not a lot. But in the build up, there was a lot more coverage to to that number, which a lot of the doctors and the scientists and they're just they're just shocked at the country. And we got to that point. But North Korea had its has had, he's having its first COVID outbreak, and they're all under lockdown. I can't even imagine how miserable that is for them right now. And today was the very first death reported from COVID. And they're not accepting outside help. So I'm, I'm expecting a fair bit more news coming out of North Korea, because they're not vaccinated. They didn't accept China's even even the sinopharm vaccine. So I think I think we can see that it's the next COVID meltdown in our region anyway. Well, when they say they're not vaccinated, I think as a country wide policy, maybe they're not, but I have a real strong sense that their fearless leader may not be as fearless. So a story that multiple stories are circulating around the world right now on the global economy. And you'll notice that it's not very positive. Some, you know, predictions, pretty bad, very bad for the global economy, sort of talking about 2008 sort of meltdown levels. So there's a lot of different opinions coming out. But obviously, the big news that broke in the last sort of 48 hours was Tara Luna, the cryptocurrency it's now I think, with point 03 cents. I think that's where it's sitting right now. And of course, we're hearing stories of people attempt to commit suicide lost their life savings. We've got these other Softbank story that's talking about how they're all of their investments are complete failure. So, so just wanted to hand it over to you because you're our you're our Trader Joe. What are you seeing going on, you know, to try and help us make sense of this crypto situation because I tried but I can't get my head around crypto, I really can't. Okay, I was I was actually tempted to come onto the show today without shaving and wearing my most tattered shirt as possible to try and and be with the people who are suffering today and in the crypto world. And it's a very it's a very bizarre to such a situation right now as in like there is first of all, a lot of pain in the in the crypto investing world. And there's also a lot of Glee in the in the in the world where the people who are not invested in crypto weapons sitting by the sidelines saying, See, we told you all this time, and they've been happily, you know, going at it. All we're seeing right now, actually is markets markets dealing with risk, right? So when it comes to making money, people are always trying to make more money. And the way they try to make more money is they'll make investments based on return. And your most attractive returns are going to come from my nature, risky sort of assets. So when you when you see things like the crypto market, sort of like melting down, right now, it's easy to say like oh, that's yeah, that's because it was always going to happen that way. Right? But I was just doing a comparison Send. Netflix has actually done worse than Aetherium in past in the past few months, past few weeks, right? And it and people always talk about, well, these things are not real. They're all perceived and what have you and all that. And the thing is, at the end of the day, Netflix does provide a real service and does have real subscribers. But the market just doesn't think it's worth as much as it was worth all that time ago and Garen I'm sorry, as well, Tesla shares are suffering more or less the same fate, right? Was it? Is it overhyped? Or is it is it as it should be as in like, you know, a car company that only supplies about 1% of supply has capitalization that's bigger than the other real, you know, long term car producers of the world. So you know, those questions have to be had to be asked as well. But in the end, it's about it's about consensus, right? It's what people think is valuable and what people don't think it's valuable. And so this, this market meltdown right now, is this, it's not that people have stopped thinking any of these things are valuable. You know, I mean, how many times how many times has someone, you know, decided that their home is no longer worth any value, and therefore, they will sell it? That's not the way it works, right? So the same with, I think, with assets, but there's a time when you go, like, Oh, everybody is selling off these assets, and the value is going down. So the price of it is going to fall, right. So I was looking at, for instance, Apple shares. And it wasn't it wasn't you know, that long ago, and someone said to you, if, if, if if a cryptocurrency shifts and loses 10% of its value in one day, that's bad, it's horrible, that sign of a bad and unreal business. But Apple's done that several times this past week, it's it's lost 10% of the day, we don't only say that Apple is not a real business, it is a real business. But what it is right now is we have a consensus by I would say speculators to say that I'm going to sell off this thing that I was trying to make money with, because I'm not making money with its, I'm trying to preserve my wealth, I put in my my investment into the market. And now it's, it's crashing in terms of the stock crashing, and just going down in the value that maybe I didn't plan to right? The savvy investors right now, actually, they're sitting by the sidelines, they're not even, they're not holding on to the the illusion that the retail investor has it all, you know, all the wealthy people have the ability to hang on to these investments forever, and blah, blah, blah. It's the kind of illusion that they have. And they wish that they had the money to do that. The wealthy savvy investors are sitting in cash right now, they've already sold, they're doing essentially what is known as a shot of the market by not holding. So by not holding, the value of their investments are going up because they have cash. And the price of Apple is going down the price of Amazon is going down the price of Netflix has gone down. Not advice to trade. But you know, Amazon right now is trading at below pandemic prices. And if you think about the implement the the implications of that that is a bargain. It's just that right now, nobody wants to hang on to something which is going to come down in value so that they can come back and so that the savvy investors are waiting for it to the bottom out, and they're gonna they're gonna, they're gonna pick up the bargains as it goes along. While the fear is pretty strong. But it really is consensus. That's all it is. I was looking at the numbers before the show, and I went, if you read just yesterday's chat today and yesterday's chat, and you went like this is the bull market. If you went out five days, okay, I can see it crashing, you go into a month, you can see how it's dropping, I go back to a year. And it's kind of flat. And I go to five years. And we are just at the top of a big mountain. So it's all about the perspective, right? Where you are in the in the process. To those people who have who are losing it, you know, this time round, I think this time around, because the cycle is just going to go again and again. It may not be crypto, it may be something else as well. People are calling it the burst, crypto bubble. You know, the bubbles been burst many times on many things, right? We've had we've had property bubbles we have whatever it is, it doesn't stop the fundamental asset class from being something that can be can be worthwhile to be useful. Right? So let's use a very bizarre part of the crypto world MFTs for instance, right? There's been a lot of hype, there was a lot of hype and if there's any kind of market that has crashed, crashed, crashed. It's the NFT market, because it's based on the most bizarre of ideas, right? But when all the dust settles, you're gonna have that 1% of NF T's that are still going to be valuable those things that people Really by consensus people say, yeah, that's valuable enough to hang on to, that's valuable enough so that I don't want to let go of it unless you pay me enough money for me to let go of it. And then that that's how it works. It's just like, it's just like the art world, right? I mean, really, if you think about Picasso, as a kid, I, my first impression of Picasso was, how is this art? I mean, you know, and I think there's a lot of, well, who doesn't think the same things are pretty much the same way as well, you don't see Picasso's art, but all you need is enough of the network enough of that of the of the of the market to decide that it's worth that much, that it makes the big castle worth what a Picasso is. So yeah, the markets are bad, right now. If you're hanging on to losses, the worst thing you can do right now is keeping is keep hanging on to it and say, I'm not gonna, I'm just gonna just keep going, I'm gonna, I'm gonna work my way through this, it will feel horrible, when you find let go of it, and it does kind of go up. But what you're doing is managing risk. You know, at any stage, when I'm when prices falling, you never know how far below it's gonna go. So someone who was waiting for, you know, like Luna, for instance, would be a great example, right, they would have had the day when it was 5%. Down, it would have the day when it was 10%. Down, they would have had the day a few days ago, when they were talking about putting a patch on it. And it was already down 30%. And this is not Luna, but this was the they had what they call a stable coin just supposed to be the idea. It's an equivalent coin in terms of value to the US dollar and was propped up by a number of other financials. But someone made an found an exploit in in that algorithm, someone realized that if they were to put a certain kind of pressure on the algorithm, what they would have to do is to sell their Bitcoin, to support this. And they realize that everybody has a limited amount of a certain resource. So you have a limited amount of bitcoin, for instance, they knew that if they keep pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing, what will happen is this, this particular associated assets would drop in value. So it was an aggressive way to short that market, and to actually cause things to happen in that market. The terrible thing about all this is, it's spilling over it and people people think it's, it's going to be we've been people we've been, let's say something terrible happened, something worse happens out of this, people are going to try to pin the they're gonna try and point at Luna, they're gonna try and point at Bitcoin, they're going to point at crypto. The irony really is all this started in NASDAQ were tech stocks, which are seen as the slightly more risky assets were being let go off, and that caused a drop. And that caused a kind of a endemic cascading effect of diversity, diversification of risk. And so when I let go of this, the price drops down. And it when people start thinking, Oh, it's everybody's running for the doors. Now I start running for the doors, because we're social, right? And that can cause that the rest of that reaction. No, I think, Joe, I mean, it's so true. We are so emotional creatures. So if I start, you know, dropping, again, we all feel like exiting. And if I look at my, my entire, you know, stock holdings, I see a sea of red. And, but then I see rare, boring companies like Berkshire Hathaway, who are still doing well and growing. So you know, sometimes we need to think about boring is good. Being consistent is good. So, you know, extracting ourselves away from the mania, and just keep on investing in solid companies over, you know, at least regularly, and put aside money that you can afford to lose in speculation. That's one way of avoiding the heart attack. So. So sounds like, it must also be all linked to what's going on around the world with inflation, and, you know, countries defaulting. I mean, it must all be linked to all that as well, right? You know, everything is definitely linked. So when you think about, if someone says to you, would you like to go out for dinner tonight? Right? I mean, that position by itself should be based on one thing, which is like, do I feel hungry tonight, but you think about what actually influences your decision, you've got other things, how you feeling about this? You know, someone's had this happen over there. There's a COVID outbreak, there's a better restaurant on that side, you know, this, this this stuff. So it's the it's the comparative mind that causes a market to happen anyway, because this is better than that. Maybe I have to move here from wherever you get to either a state of I don't want to do this, or I want to do this so I'm confused. And so I don't take any action at all. And that multiplies itself over into a market And when you think about what we have now is we have great access to the market, everybody can can sign up and get on to some kind of market at right now, within a few minutes, you know, used to take a lot longer to get there now, just a few minutes, take a few photographs, whatever it is, people can start risking their life savings in a lot of other tools that they don't understand, right, you're getting online and what we should be doing, for instance, if you want to be more financially prudent, is you should be sitting across from a person who's assessing you, and you get one chance to answer the questions, right? You shouldn't be able to be online and go like, Oh, try this, this, this, this this. And he says, Oh, you're not eligible? And you're like, Okay, I'll try again. And then you change your answers. The world right now is a is full of a lot of unqualified investors. And this is not to discount those who think they're qualified. There's a great number of people in the world who really believe that they got wealthy because they did the right thing, when what they did was the lucky thing. And they have no idea what they did. Right. And right now they're being faced with a very real professional choice. The professionals that are, like I said, are out, they know that this is, this is one of those events where it's a falling knife. And the rule is you never catch a falling knife. The market is doing that right now. It's It's It's It's catching falling knives. And as you as you in some of them are doing it on a leveraged basis, and that's good. That's actually what the world's biggest risk right now it's financially it's leverage. It's where $1 loss is not equal to $1. Lost, it's because I am leveraging it 10 times. So the people who are over leveraged in the sense that they've gone into Bitcoin, because Bitcoin, it's an expensive asset. And we're greedy as well. So we don't say I have $5,000, I'll buy only$5,000 worth of bitcoin, what they'll look at is the opportunity to buy two times three times or 10 times the value of their investment in Bitcoin. And usually it's only in the upward direction, most people don't think of it in the up and down direction. So they go in, and they're holding on to Bitcoin at three times, or 10 times leverage. Now what does that mean, is when when it when it goes up by $5,000, it means you if you're five times you made $25,000. And that's what most people think about. But the risk that they're exposed to is when it goes down by $5,000 is that they've lost $25,000. And that might even be more than what they actually went in with. So there is a lot of leverage in the market right now. And that's what happened with a combination of that in combination with what what was being done. At Luna, when the attack was being done. Luna actually had to sell its Bitcoin to defend its stable currency. And by having to sell that much Bitcoin, it caused the price of Bitcoin to collapse because there was that much. That was that much Bitcoin being liquidated, that caused a collapse in prices that cause false a for sale by those people who were leveraged. And so you have this cascading effect. So it's one of those things that it's a calamity that was built on a house of cards, but it's not exclusive to, to crypto, it's it's it's it's all the assets are linked together, we have companies that have oil contracts that are going to be affected by what's happening in Ukraine. And we have, you know, the whole futures market, it's all about people making anticipates anticipatory bets, which may or may not turn out well. And if the incentive is to make money, they're going to be taking risks, you know, and some people take very, very big risks. Yeah. So I got two questions for you. One, is there any idea who did the attack? And to where can people keep track of the, you know, the professionals acting like there's a there's a part of you guys know, I think Joe knows, I'm, I'm not a trader, I'm not interested. It's, it's not not my thing. But there is a point where you can see what's happening like the professional traders, you can see what decisions they're making. How can people switch on to that, like, I check, The Motley Fool? That's one of my sort of financial resources that I just sort of see what they say, but is there a is there any advice there? Okay, there actually there actually is actually a lot of data. The great thing about crypto which is which is which is different for for for for almost any other asset classes that there is a lot of transparency in crypto people people talk about crypto as being the secret thing and all that. The wonderful thing about it is that beneath the surface, all the science, all the reports, all the data is actually available because the nature of crypto crypto is it's a public ledger. So that data is actually very easily available and findable. So there is a process, there is a site called blast node, and there's professional level of it. And then there's the the layman's access to it. But you get to see how markets are actually responding under, under, like less sort of under the radar. And like, you see how money is being moved around, you see how whether whether you see whether or not Bitcoins that have been in storage, cold storage, which means people have taken that Bitcoin and taken it offline, so they have no intention to trade it now they brought it online, that tells you things about the market, and you can figure things out about the market. That, okay, so that's one level of it, you can you can try to figure that out, there is a much simpler way to have a look at markets and see what markets are doing. And that actually is just using the charts using the price charts. Because what price charts are is they are footprints left behind by people taking action in the market. So when you when you hear about someone saying that, Oh, it's the markets feeling unsafe, it will do this and that none of us none of that means anything until the price changes. Someone says based on the information and their fears and their whatever it is, takes takes an action and there's a price exchange, then a new mark comes out on the chart. And charts are actually a report card on what people have been thinking. And that time. If you say to me over a day, this was a terrible day in crypto, I can go to the chart and look at the day and you're like, Okay, yep, you're right. The chart says that over this one day, it went from this to this and relative the other days, it was so much, or the chart may say something else. But that is actually what happened in response to anything. Right? So you think about gold, everybody talks about the consensus always was that, oh, you know, when everything is unsure, they're going to run to gold. So based on that goal should be through the roof today, right? That's not right. So what happens is consensus, if if, if it all is happening separately, then great, you know, if if I can have one asset class go down and I go, I want to run to hide somewhere else I can go into gold when the when the war first broke out gold ticket took a spike. Because at that time, the consensus said yes, but right now, ironically enough, as all the big talk about, you know, we want to be on Bitcoin we want to be we want to be running away from the US. So everybody's been talking about that US dollars in decline, etc, etc, etc. At the end of the day, when everybody is leaving and getting out, they go for the next best thing, which funnily enough, is the US dollar, because it's my consensus, the biggest thing we can all agree on. So the US dollar, if you like, has been the one that's been doing well, everything else has gone up, everybody's bought out the cash and now the US dollar is in demand. So so the attack any idea? I I honestly, I haven't gone looking, I have an idea as to the kind of people that would be when it's a Soros style attack, basically, you know, remember this when Soros attacked the was it? He was accused of attacking the the Malaysian currency, but I think so it was to go to the Bank of England, I believe at one time that he shorted the Bank of England. And it was basically one of those things where if you keep pushing, pushing, pushing, in the end, the Bank of England says, Okay, we have no more funds to defend this. And so in the end, they won that one. So it's that kind of attack, I don't know who it is, it has to be either. Actually, you know, it's unlikely to be any single one person, because it would have to take a pretty sizable amount of resources to achieve that result. And it has to be consistent. But it has to have been someone who realized there was this exploit, develop the exploit, and then went to a market that had the money to carry out the exploit because it's not a it's not just I made a bet against you. It was a it had to be a consistent attack to keep working away at the algorithm and so that the trigger the algorithmic kind of reaction that the currency had. Interesting. All right, and we know who the winner is the American dollar. Here he is Mr. Wade. Hi. You've missed our global financial markets crash conversation. I picked up the last bit of it just now. Yeah, it's it's the the answer is huddle. Huddle. Huddle is just huddle. I don't you don't know what huddle is. So in the early days of crypto, people were thinking about selling and there was this one very excited guy that typed in the forums. Hold hold hold, except he typed in AADL H O D L, so you misspelled it and it just become this in term of just hold it. We'll come back hold. Alright. Anyway, all right. All right. That was a Hi, Karen. Sorry, no, I might, I realized that I'm fading in and out because my sound system seems to be having a hold moment or a huddle moment or something. So it's fading in and out. So I hear you intermittently. So I'm just it's just really interesting. This is the first time this happened. But if I ignore you just know that it's just on strike. All right, all right. It wouldn't be the first time a woman has been ignoring me. Don't worry, I'm used to it. Alright, so let's move on to the global politics section. And obviously, we can start with Russia and Ukraine. Russia had its beak Mayday, parade this week, and they were expecting Putin to at least sort of speak his intentions of what he was going to do in Ukraine. And it seemed that there was nothing said that was remarkable that any of the media picked up on so we still we're still wondering what's going on. Rachel Maddow released a video my friend, Vicki Coburn just shared it. And it's looking at some of the hacks in their media. And it's really, really, really interesting what's going on there. I'll put that one in my weekend reads, but one of the stories that got my attention, the Russians lost nearly an entire battalion trying to cross a river in eastern Ukraine. So basically, there were 50 vehicles and up to 1000 troops trying to cross this river. And Ukrainians got there and caught them on the riverbank and basically destroyed them. So three dozen tanks and other armored vehicles, the bridge itself, and it's basically the article says it underscores Russia's deepening woes as its troops try and fail to make meaningful gains in eastern Ukraine's Donbass region. There's also been a fair few videos of Russians just killing civilians on the street and a lot of videos also capturing them looting. So yeah, it looks like you know, there's some big issues within the just the discipline of the Russian military. Another piece that I really recommend is called viewpoint, Putin now faces only different kinds of defeat, and that's in the BBC. And basically, they're saying Russia cannot win this war in any meaningful sense. In the past, you know, they were in they were out crack troops. But obviously, in this case, they expected to go in and have victory within 74 hours. And well, here we are. So it's seen as you know, escalation is obviously possible, whether in Ukraine or, or in the region. And Europe's basically at one of its most dangerous moments in history. But Putin has got no, there's no way for him to back out. So I don't know, it's, it's a very nervous time, right? When they're calling, you know, II could potentially call the Great Patriotic War 2.0. You know, that's with the rest of Europe involved. So it's all of his own making. Well, he's, I was just listening to a story the other day, which I thought was very interesting about his, his puppet, and they called it the puppet master. And I forget the name right now. But basically, he was the someone known as a great Cardinal. And the great Cardinal is someone who is in charge of propaganda. It's someone who is in charge of the story. And he was recently fired by Putin, but not before he had managed to create, you know, pretty much the Russia that we know today. And I was really surprised to find how much of that was a was a was a creation of propaganda, as in like, even the opposition parties, all the parties, what they what they stood for, and all that was actually created by scripted and funded by the central government. So, you know, we, so even even the real the real critics that you have today, the people who come out of that they have come out of that experiment, as I'm like, it was it was it was all engineered. And I, I, I heard one thing, which will actually, it's something that I'll have to take it with me in terms of like, I think there's a lesson and influence there as well. The the reason why Putin is doing what he's doing right now is that he's continuing that playbook. And the playbook is essentially, you've got to have the idea that there's so many things going on. There's so much conspiracy going on there is that in the end You are you are in a place where you go like there's no point taking any action. You know, and that's and that really is the kind of a play that they have. They want to create this thing that oh, it could be this could be that. So the it's, it's, it's such a such an interesting way to go about things that you really have to convince an audience that there's so much shenanigans. So many so many things have so much chicanery happening, that there is no point trying to do something of any real great value. So is that is that the Russian playbook or the American play this now? Well, there is there's the there's the American playbook. I mean, it's actually so that's the Russian propagandists playbook. And that's that's pretty much what he what he kind of, I would say, confessed, but he wrote a he wrote a novel, based on, you know, a PR character who did all these other things, and whatever and all that. And basically, if you read that, and you were like, Okay, this is you, and this is your wife, and this is what the guy is doing. Kind of basically confessed by fiction, what he was doing, and was it it wasn't like he was trying to hide it. I mean, he was it he was quite happy to, to leave crumbs so that when when the curtain was pulled back, people realize that, oh, it was his trick. You know? If you can find it, can you send it to me? That sounds interesting, especially for the weekend rates. And I'd love it just from my past life as a PR person. Yep. Yeah. So Russia is is a creation of PR. This guy literally was a PR guy, who I think may not have been doing as well as he thought, Well, do you remember the movie? Wag the Dog? For a long time ago? Yeah. Yeah. So that was a it was a fictional, it's a fictional thing, but basically, about how this guy creates a story in the wall and everything related to when American influence. Russia happened that way, apparently, in real life. So I will try and find that before the end of the show. No, I think, Joe, I mean, this is really interesting. And I think is not not just Russia, his domain. I mean, we have seen that in the US as well how the truth was manufactured in the war war in Iraq. We are also seeing it right now and how it's affecting Philippine politics, about how you could re re whitewash what has happened before with the Marcos dictatorship. So I think, you know, dictators and authoritarians use it extremely well. I'm only kind of remember that it's so easy to give up. Then I get reminded of Gandhi, for example, and, you know, I read this book, which was actually on the climate climate crisis, it's called, I think, the future we choose surviving the climate crisis. And it's authored by the people who helped to, you know, to do up the Paris Agreement, and they will, they will re looking at, you know, back in history, what could actually shift, and I remember one statistics, which says that, you know, that, you know, if you manage to get 3.5% of the population to be behind you in participating in non violent processed, like what had happened in India, you know, history shows that you can turn. So 3.5% is, is, well, it's, it's still about 20, over a million, I think, in the UK, or you're talking about covering millions, but it is still doable. So I think, the good people, it's so easy to lose heart. But that is when we need more people, you know, who could see the Emperor without clothes, to start speaking up. So we should just remember that 3.5% is all we need. Yet, I actually thought it was 2% so interesting, that it's just a little bit higher, but it's not a it's not a large number. And, you know, I was I was speaking to some Eastern European friends who, who were very concerned, because the majority of people in Russia, that's all they watch his state TV, they believe it, right. And they were saying to me, only 10% of the population is sort of more broadly aware. And I said, Jenny need 2% of the population to, to, to revolt. And you can change it. So to between two and 3%. It's a small number we can achieve that. But the challenge the challenge is, it was a 2% thing where people are switching from something to something which I think is not too far off from where they are, I think I think that's, that's, that's that's where you can shift opinion a bit, but it's diametric to where they are. I think that's the real challenge. And I posted a link to the to this guy, it's that is that is love circle of is the name of the guy. I posted the link in our in our Facebook as well as YouTube comments, so you can go check him out. What's interesting for me was just to learn about what it's like for Russians, right? In all the surveys, we have people think that surveys are not real. And I think the polls are done by various people, including Gallup. So the numbers are very correct and not very correct. The numbers are right in terms of it being reflective of the opinion that Russians have about about Putin. But context is everything right? So where you start and where it ends, Boris Yeltsin was in power as a as someone who was increasingly being pointed to for corruption. He showed up for meetings drunk he was he was he was, I don't know what what is it about world leaders called Boris right? It's if you have power, your name is Boris, do you have to have alcohol in your life? But anyway, he did not lead a very successful Russia. And when it switched over to Boris Yeah, Vladimir Putin, things began to change. So contextually, what happened was people in Russia experienced a change. So you talk about the Russia before and the Russia now. First of all, there's a lot more prosperity than than before. And who's responsible because of all this PR and stuff is Vladimir Putin right there. But there's not prosperity across the general population. lives have been improved that much. Yeah. But if you, if you if you compare it, if you take a 10 year span, you can say yeah, that's that's that's that maybe it's true. But if you take the span and widen it to 20 years and 30 years, when you talk about where they were, know where they were empty stores, nevermind supermarkets, it's very easy to look at 510 years ago and go like, it hasn't changed that much. Because there's only so much that can happen if things are not running as well as they can, right. But when there's a switch from black and white to color TV, for instance, right? You go like, wow, this is a big change. And if you have a large population that is that is impressed by that or do remember that he's the guy responsible, especially when you compare it what was was was before, it can make a huge difference. So from Boris and everybody in the past, it made Putin much better right now. So that when you when, when the story is ready to sell when he got like, it was terrible before because everybody was was soft, and they weren't really doing the stuff, right. Here's a guy who was a strong man comes in and changes everything. And then people go like, yeah, this, this is kind of a good thing. So I've actually, you know, I've been I've been very surprised at first and then not so surprised after thinking about it by how Russians behave in terms of attitude towards Putin, because if you're an older Russian, especially, you know, he he has done, he has done a little wrong and went wrong he has done has been fully justified it I mean, yeah. Well, let's move on. So we obviously saw Karen just mentioned it, Marcos, his son Bombo is going to be back basically, the new Filipino President. I've got both sides of the Philippine elections in my community, the people who have been crying all week, because because he got in, I think we're all old enough to remember the Marcos era and elders shoes, right. And the thing Karen was talking about, there's the Nobel Peace, or the Nobel Prize winner in the Philippines, the journalist, he actually released released a video which I'll put in my weekend reads, just talking about how information was manipulated, to sort of convince people that that the Mark was history was a different story to what it actually really was. So it's, that's that's been a pretty fascinating one for me. And you see, the thing is that there are millennials have not experienced the past. So they're, you know, I think they are, I think they make up about 40% or 50% of the voting population. So it's easy to understand history by reading about it, rather than living through it. And I think this is what's happening today. I mean, the millennial the youth vote, I mean, it's so important that you know, Andre, I think you talk a lot about like critical thinking about going beyond the echo chambers. It's It's hard because if you look at see seizing pin, right in China, a lot of people if they believe that there is the ability, and there is prosperity, they could give up a lot of civil liberties. So it's really about a balance of balance. Really, it's about what kind of balance can people accept? Yeah, yeah. So just a couple of quick ones and then we're going To get onto our lovely themes section, so John Lee is the ex security chief of Hong Kong and he's now become the new leader. He's very, very, very pro Beijing. So any sort of dreams or ideas that Hong Kong can return to what it once was, I think I've now family over. And the former president of Brazil, Lula, who was a positive leader at the time, but obviously, was done for corruption and has now been vindicated. He's now put forward his presidential campaign. And I'm very hopeful if he can get in, maybe we can get on top of the crazy level of deforestation. Anything else? Anything else politically that you guys have sort of been picking up? I mean, obviously, Sri Lanka as well, but Well, there's things going crazy there. Yeah, I misread the the Sri Lankan headline as Sri Lankan troops ordered to open fire on lobsters. Haven't got any fuel to go ship to go fishing, right? It's really bad. You know, it's 5050. Politicians houses have been burned down. I saw one video on Twitter of all their cars being pushed into the rivers in the into the ocean is a trigger. It's seen as economic mismanagement, they basically got no money left. So people can't afford food, medicine or fuel. This has been building for a while. They're blaming it on the COVID pandemic, because the majority of the money that was coming into the country was through tourism. You know, I don't know, I mean, think, you know, China owns its port, maybe they're going to have to go into more debt with China. But it seems I mean, this, this is just one of many countries is going to go through this process in the coming months, for lack is a really interesting case study in the whole Belt and Road Initiative. That one because you said China owns the port, they also built the CBD. So I think I mentioned a few shows ago, that was when I was speaking in Sri Lanka. And I was looking out the window going, that wasn't there. Last time I was here and there was this enormous CBD all of a sudden, with all these high rise buildings, oh, yeah, China's built it all, as part of the whole deals that they've done with the country and taking on, you know, the ports and things like that. So the whole, so when when countries tend to default on their ability to repay, then you start having they start losing ownership of these vital, you know, bloodlines to their country's economy. And then you get a new puppeteer happening. So it's a really interesting one as to how China reacts to the advanced the upper hand that they have now, in an in an entire country's sovereignty. And China's really got a fantastic opportunity to be a massive global leader in the way that they're going about connecting countries through economics. And, but there's also a possibility of, you know, the new empire. So it's, it's a really interesting one. Yeah. Yeah. All right, shall we get on to the psychology, the psychology of influence, and that's obviously Karen's field of expertise. And it's something that's really important for all of us to step out, step out, step up, step into our voices, we've got a lot of big issues on the table, and we need the good people of the world out there fighting, fighting for what's best for all of humanity. So Karen, I'll hand it over to you. Now, I mean, the conversation is so stimulating that I think, you know, you already have shown how the thread of influence runs through it. I mean, I speak a lot on influence a lot of interpersonal skills. But I think you know, what you're really about, you know, looking at the real world, I think, which I started, a lot of us don't realize the power of our influence. And Andrea, you also talked about how enjoy as well, you know, people think, How can I make a difference? So when I, I mean, there's only one thing that I wanted to highlight. When I brought down when I looked at influence, it's there are two pillars of influence based on what I have researched and interviewed. It's the first pillar is like, and the second pillar is respect. So it like, always comes first because it opens the door to influence and respect sustains influence. And it it also shows how tribal we are, what's happening on the global scene is human beings are reverting to people that we like first. And we see that in social media, we see that in the wars, you know, we actually align ourselves with the people who look like us. So a lot of the Western countries are paying more attention to what's happening in Ukraine, because they see them as you know, kindred, white folks, whereas ignoring other countries, other colors. So I think I think what the world needs is to broaden like, who we are Like to beyond just demographics. To actually realizing that, you know, as human beings, we all actually are more alike than different. This is not just a diversity and inclusion piece, but I'm just going to ask you, you know, to think about one person in your life that is most unlike you. I'm just curious. You know, and I have to say, you know, Andrea, you might be very irritated by Joe because usually the person who is most unlike you is the person who irritates you the most. And it's not surprising. But we also need to remember that the person who irritates us the most actually has the potential to add the biggest value to our lives. Wait, hang on, I'm gonna record this soundbite and give it to my wife. Just say that again. Just carry on, carry on. You're done. You're done irritate me joy. You don't irritate me. Joe, I know, you can take a joke. And I know. But you know, we know we know that. You know, Andre enjoy you, me yours is so different. But because you come together and Tim, you're in a mix as well. But what happens is that you are able to tap into different strengths, different perspectives. So I'm going to challenge everybody to really look at the person that you feel most disconnected with, or the person that irritates you the most. And then realize that in that immense difference lies, incredible synergies. Try it, I mean, try that with the colleague that you absolutely cannot stand at work. Look at the relative that you absolutely hate in your family. Or look at the new neighbor, who has just shifted in who looks completely different from you, or look at news reports of, you know, of people who you feel the least connection with? Or even look at your Netflix, the shows that you watch on Netflix, are they mostly are people who are like you, or are they different? So I'm just going to challenge everybody. It's really interesting outside. But if I think about it, like, you know, we're all part of a community. And one of the things that I love about our community is that it's incredibly diverse, right? And people from not just not just in, in races or in backgrounds, but also in age groups. We've got young people all the way through to people well into their 70s, right. And I think all of us thrive in that environment, because we like to be in an environment where we are around paperwork. I love to I love it when people disagree with me. I don't it doesn't bother me at all. Because I want to understand why they think what they think. And then if I've got an if I've got an ability to adjust the way I think, then I'm really happy with that, because I don't want to be talking about stuff that yeah, I don't want to be wrong. I want to own understand why they're wrong. The best, the best feeling in the world is when someone can change your mind for me. It's not something that scares me. It's something I embrace. Yeah, yes. I remember the quote, you know, the point of arguing is not to be right. It's to get it right. Is the point. Yeah. Yeah. So I was thinking from an influence perspective, liking, you said liking and people who are like, so similarity, rather than I like them or a bit of both? Because child in his research talking about a bit of both, right? Yes, yes. So it is, I like you. And I am like you. So these are the two biggest door openers to influence. So you're absolutely right. Yeah. So when somebody is saying I like you, what's the so then people are thinking, Well, how do I make somebody like me? Because so you're one of your solutions is, we need to, we need to be able to open some doors here to see how we are alike a lot of other people who we think we're not alike. So what do we have in common? So let's, let's look, this is why I still I still think that the planet Earth needs to be invaded by aliens for us to be able to realize that and in a sense COVID did that. We were all the same for a short period of time for a few months. We were all one humanity. And now we're back back to a petty bickering again, if we could recapture that sense there was this moment where we were given this opportunity to see that but then the other side is is if people like me, if I can influence somebody when they like me, then how do I make them like me? People see that as a I just have to be very sort of, yes man to them, which we see incorporates a lot. You're surrounded by these sort of yes, people who just say yes to everything, because they're seeking that that sort of influence to be liked. But at the same time, it's Andrea just said she likes it when people challenge her. And she's a she's a minority? I think so. Right. I don't I don't think I don't think. I think if you did a survey, and you ask people, if you ask people the question, they would want to say yes, on that, but I don't think a lot of people are like that. I think, you know, we, I mean, I've been I've been in those discussions before as well. I mean, because we're all in the Speaker's community, right. And every now and then you'll end up in a conversation and uncomfortable conversation with someone who's just getting a bit riled up. And you realize what's happened is, you've bumped up against their area of expertise, and they aren't interested to hear, you know, another idea, but something they haven't thought about in their field, like, you know, what, what, right, have you that kind of thing, right? So it's, it's a higher aspiration? I think a lot of people say, Oh, I'd love to be challenged. I'd love to be proven wrong. Not really. Just not publicly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, gotta get reply, reply. All basically, right. No one wants to get a reply all explanation of why they made a mistake. Yeah. I think it's interesting that a lot of times when we see like, we take it at face value, and but if you really go and dissect what like really is under the surface, is I trust your intentions. So I mean, you know, so if I'm smiling, and I appear to like you, so you know, our reptilian brain would tell us that, hey, you are friendly, even you're not going to be a big bear and eat me. But and also, if we are in the same tribe, you would feel that, okay, you know, we are in the same tribe. So we're probably you probably have the best of intentions. So I think Andrea will not take, we're not taking lying down from somebody who would disagree with her for really a different reason. You know, but somebody with the right intentions, we are, they're more open, because they might open our mind. So, you know, it's really the siege of how can you actually be able to capture and, and communicate that your intentions are pure? That is, it happens in microseconds. So I think it's the intentions that is driving people to let their guard down. As opposed to, by default, letting Yeah. So yeah, so it's true. So what I what I do in the other work that I do when I'm when I'm coaching, right, there's a lot of mystery around this idea, we, we tend to like the idea about how everybody has very good sensor sensors, we have a good instinct and all that. And that actually is a fallacy. Because if you think about it more often in your life, you're disappointed, then you are delightfully surprised, right, more often, you have an expectation of someone which is, which you don't need. Simply because we have a tendency to as much as we think as other skeptical that the reason behind skepticism is that we're trying to figure out how we can believe someone. So you'll end up with things like people saying, I don't believe this, but they'll show up at something because they're looking for something that can help them believe it. So the default nature and human beings actually it's it's, it's, it's not it, people see it as a weakness, but it's not a weakness, it actually allows us to progress. Because we are going to believe some other people, and that actually on a net basis actually allows us to get more things done. But it becomes an exploit that can be used against us. So I, I, you know, this thing about having people like you, because I've, I've, I've I've kind of watched the world with my with my suspicious eyes for a very long time. And I realized that the people who do succeed in the world, many times people that we wished didn't succeed in the world, because we kind of see what they're doing actually. Right. So I don't know what that that sort of feeling gets you but you there usually is someone who sees beyond what everybody else thinks they see. And that, but But before all that people are sold on the same thing. I mean, we don't have to say Trump more than once in this conversation. But I think that is a really good example of that. Right? You people, people have a tendency to want to believe so Trump use a lot of the principles that Jodie talks about, and in a way which maybe people don't, don't want to fess up to but people liked him because he pretended to be like them. You know, it was always the way he influenced them. What are you eating? Well, I just How do you make people like you my Insurance agent just sent a cake. Very happy wedding anniversary. Oh, wedding anniversary with the new cheesecake. And so I like him more now that and I will highly recommend him to anyone who wants cake from an insurance person. Right? He's forgetting things with you right now as reciprocity as well. Right? So you want to now you want to do something back? Yeah, talking about insurance. If you look at the the MDRT Institute did a study amongst his global customers, and they and they said, What is the top quality? Which, which actually made you choose your financial advisor? So it was really fascinating. What what do you think was the top quality? Was it expertise that the financial advisor had experience? Or honesty? I type honesty that is. So it's really fascinating the honesty, triumph, experience, expertise, and a lot of other technical factors. And, you know, when we really look beyond it, you know, people just say that, you know, if honest is actually aligned to I trust your intentions, it means whatever you tell me, it's for my good, not yours, not just yours, for example, okay. From an insurance perspective, you're hoping that they're finding you the right insurance, not the biggest commission, for example, that could be one of them. But the other side, I would have, I would have not picked any of those. I mean, I think honesty, honesty is a given unless it's breached. i To a degree, so perhaps we might make, and it may be breached by people's behavior and actions and all of this sort of stuff. But it's kind of a given until it's breached. But I would have said attentiveness, actually, from an insurance perspective, something, something like that, that, that they're, they're there but not pushing anything. Oh, they're very attentive in my LinkedIn inbox, I can tell you that much. But nothing? No, no, no. I don't think that that's attentive in that way. I mean, I get what you're saying they're selling stuff. But I think what, what Karen is describing is what people end up telling you like, when the way when you when you when you feel that with that survey, when they say how did you hear about us, you're gonna put in Oh, it was Facebook, or this and that whatever it was, right. And this is one of the great frustrations with them. When I was doing what I was doing in radio. People don't really always remember why, why they were influenced in a certain way they collect my number one number one reason for trusting someone or doing business, somebody that I trust them, right. But the next question is, now why do you trust them? And most times, we don't have a way of really understanding why we trust someone. So what are the biggest scams that's going around right now is this one where they get you to do to participate in, in doing some work, you know, helping with reviews online, right. And, I mean, we have a mutual friend, Andrea was scammed to the tune of a, I think, 1005 2000 US dollars in the end by this. And the way they build the trust is they start by doing something small, they do the small reviews first, and then they send you your rebate, and whatever it is, and you start earning money based on this kind of transaction. So they now they have established the trust in you. They've been nice, they've been friendly, they've been cordial, they've been on time they build up trust, then what happens is they exploit the trust, and then it's broken in the end, right? So but if you ask someone, what made them trustworthy, you might not be able to put your hand on it. Because your finger on it sorry, is because you don't track those kinds. We don't track those kinds of things. It's only it's only someone like maybe Karen was when studying the different different aspects of it, who was like, oh, yeah, I can I can, I can break it down, I can see what happened there was very simple. What they did was they began with a conversation, and it was a nice to and fro conversation, it was about something relevant to them. And they were being very friendly and complimentary. And then they were being very open. And then when when we when we saw them on line, and whatever it is, they talk with open gestures. And so it's slowly built up, and then they gave you something and then you wanted to give them back and then they earn more trust from you. Those are the steps along the way. But we don't recall all the steps that run up to that. We just know that in the end, what do I value? I value trust. Because you see a lot of people we do it. So intuitively, we don't even break down how we're influencing. So you're right. I think a lot of the clarity is, you know, when people start to break down, how am I influencing the other person, then you can start applying it in more areas in your life. So absolutely. I think that that clarity is what people don't really break it down. Yeah, Andrea, I wanted to I wanted to take it in another direction as well, because people like people like you. People like people like them that comment, right? So Karen, we've had a, we've had a conversation about this, right? So we're talking about the climate crisis. So I can talk about it all I like, but my audience is limited to the people that I can actually reach. So one of the things that I've been very aware of for a long time is if, if it's just me, and people that look like me, we're not going to achieve what we need to achieve. Right? So I've talked to Karen about how do we, how do we get people in Singapore and how we recruit people in Singapore to start talking about it because they can reach their families and their communities and, and being a ripple maker. So being being being having influence isn't always about you. It's actually having the power to build community to create more ripples, which creates more awareness and more change. And I think that's another really important part of influence, too, right. That's why I'm happy that the UN has reached out to what was it black, pink, this Korean girl band, and they made them the global ambassadors of climate change. And which is great, because, you know, interestingly enough, they didn't get a lot of views with all the other videos. But when the girl then posted this, it went viral. I mean, it had like, 10 million views. So I think it's important to really get as many diverse voices so that people can relate. So absolutely. We we should not just focus on, you know, people in our echo chamber. Yeah. So what would your what would your suggestion be to increase that circle? To increase the influence that this show, for example, has? I mean, how could we? How could? Because, I mean, what Andrea is doing is like she said, she's got the information is there, it's just people are, are putting their head in the sand? Fig figure deliberately or, or by by virtue of the fact that they're busy. And it's not good news. Yeah. Yeah, I think this is a problem that, you know, we all cracking, I mean, number one, I have to acknowledge that just by having this show, and having three of you who are so different on it, and inviting people to come on. I mean, a lot of times, the tipping point doesn't get reached after a much longer runway. So I do see it coming. I do think that just continued, but getting, I mean, helping people to take more ownership, I think what's happening is that a lot of people are still waiting, if you're an individual, you're waiting for the government to do something. And if you're the government, you're waiting for the businesses to do something. So I think we need to realize it is we do not have the luxury of having one sector to do. It's a government. It's an individual, it's, it's it's a political thing. It's a business thing. So I think we need to reach out as much as we can and start helping people to take more ownership. So what one of the things I mean, my company influence solutions we have sustainability is one of our main things. And when the team gathered last year, we were thinking that, you know, how can we really make a difference? And that is when we decided, right? The only way we can make people care if they lived through hell, the lift through what it would be like if we do not meet our, our, our targets, you know, and 2050 is going to be like Mad Max, which is not not too far off, right. I don't think it's 2050 anymore. I agree. It's gonna be much coming. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's coming. So people need to you see, we are still going back to business. And when we started kind of running, we had our virtual team bonding the license to thrill thing where we actually put people into the future. And then allow them a second chance to say, what are you going to do different to avoid this? A far more people actually left very concrete actions. But we are still too small. You know, I think we need to involve the media. We need to involve Hollywood, we need to involve story makers to make this into a living reality. I think right now, it's still very distant. But Tim, your question is golden, that that is a question we need to put in front of us every day. But I'm curious, what do you all think? Well, I think what you should do when you when you get a chance to everybody just read about love is love, sort of that I that I posted a while ago, just just google search him out. And he's done a lot of that stuff, you know, two, four on four and on behalf of Russia and Putin because that's that's the kind of thing I mean, if you think about Putin in terms of what he was when he first came out, and not a very likable guy, not very attractive, not very charismatic, sort of described as an awkward bad public speaker, with just a reputation for being a KGB agent, you know that that was that was kind of how he began. And I've been, I've been singing this particular hidden mode, this particular song for the longest time, right? It's about it's about the artists and he is an artist, the guy who created this is an artist. artists work on triggering emotional responses, they make you feel and that's what it is about. So whether or not it's a benevolent action that's been taken that that's kind of beside the point. But the that's, that's what they need, that's the currency for them. It's to not just put out information, but as to cause you to feel a certain way certain reaction. So I've got three solutions that first of all, solution number one, the problem without us by the way, Joe, is that creatives and creatives leave everything to the last minute before delivering their brilliance. And we might not have the time to do that. But the button Okay, so there's two things. Well, three things one is we can hire this fellow, what's his name, again? Vladislav, Surkov. Calm, okay, so the world needs to hire him to get on the climate change thing, even though everyone hates him at the moment, or whatever. And then so that's number one. Number two, we can get a job shirt off and put them on a horse. And, but the third one, maybe, maybe we should champion somebody's just a harebrained idea, maybe we should champion something, which is in the middle of summer, no aircon day. I reckon, I reckon what we should do is send all of the CEOs, the fossil fuel industry, as well as all of the prime ministers and presidents around the world, on a plane to New Delhi. And they have to, they have to sleep in a slum for the next week, and see how it feels. Alright, we've already got we've already got cases that they could go and experience in the world. So go and have a look, that's what's coming at us, you know, start a hashtag, I think it's a great idea. All he needs is momentum. So the challenge will be yeah, sorry, your challenge first, then my challenge? Well, the challenge would be to create that objective and to figure a way to make it their idea, Mike, that's the that's the way that's the way this would work. Because if it's an idea, I mean, it'd be environmentalist get you to do something like that. It's an agenda thing and you're capitulating. So you know, that's, that's really not a place where you can win from, but it is a way to figure this out, so that the benevolent CEOs of the world can come together and through a moment of enlightenment self generated, of course, because, you know, they just sat around, and they, they thought about things in Okay, Bucha, probably, they went ahead and came up with this idea. And now they're doing something about that, right. So it's much the same way, like, you know, Black Pink being chosen by the UN. I think Mike pink had an idea, and got the UN to say, we choose, we choose, you know, and that kind of is the way to get things done. And that, to me, that's what influence is about influences going. I set up all the different things so that the two of you meet and really kind of like each other. Yeah, their name and their culture. Pretty much is everybody together, all of a sudden, we got black, we got pink, and we got a Korean group. So okay, anyway, so the the, the the other thought, is, maybe it's not the CEOs and the heads of government that we need to be targeting, because we've been saying that for a while. But if the world is heading towards the illicium, sort of view, remember that Matt Damon film called alidium, Elysium, Elysium. Where there was this, the rich went to the safe place, and everybody else was Hunger Games and get down on Earth in this sort of dystopian disaster. So it might actually be that middle, that sort of influential upper middle class, if that makes sense. Because the that upper class is like, well, we're fine. We don't really care if the world goes to crap because you know, we'll just have more slaves, whereas that middle group is the ones that are bridging the gap between the two that can see it from both sides that have an aspiration of the wealth, but not necessarily the attitude, but also have a compassion for those that are are you struggling? Yeah, so one seems to be the exploitative high end. And to get to that position of influence in that exploitative high end, you need to tell With a party line of exploitative high end, you know, the, there's a few people that have actually got to that, that that end state of influence, and made a big difference. And one of the ones that comes to mind seems to be Gorbachev, he seemed to come through it, get to the top, and then make a big difference make a big change, but I might, I may have read history incorrectly. But that just seems how it how a few people have got through to that particular point, Mandela kind of got to that point. A few people got to that point, but, but most of them get to the point and go, You know what, I'm here now I may as well just enjoy myself. And so not a lot of making big changes, or maybe it's that other area, we can look at religion. I mean, if you look at Islam, you know, how you Raya, you know, the people had to fast for one month, right. And one of the main reasons why it was instituted is to create empathy for the needy, that you go through personal struggle by just abstaining from food and water. So somebody came up with the idea, and it had widespread, widespread adoption, and it has remained relevant for years and years until today. So I think it's about but I like it, it's really about helping people to see the value of doing and taking a stand. And, and if you're doing so, society rewards you, you know, as somebody who is really living so how did we create this movement? Yeah, the idea of turning the aircon off. It's like, I melt in the heat, especially April May in Thailand is the hottest time of the year. And it's so uncomfortably and unbearably hot, but the majority of people obviously don't have aircon. Right. And it's just when there's no air moving at all. It's it's an It's so humid, you just kind of you know, and I think of the people who are suffering, you know, it's because Delhi is gonna go over 50 this in the next coming days. I think Pakistan is due tomorrow. But there's also another heat dome coming to land on the on the US. Have you guys seen that? There's no really weird weather coming up? Really? Really we should we should we finish up with just a few other bits on climate change and the environment. So the first thing that happened this week that probably got everyone's attention was there's a 5050 chance of reaching 1.5 warming in the next couple of years. Now this for some reason was news this week. This is something I've been aware of, and we've talked about on the show front for a while. So it's not about moving to 1.5. It's not about embedding in that temperature, it's just about having a couple of experiences in the next couple of years where it's going to get that hot, and even a short term. I mean, we're seeing major bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef right now. Right? So it may even short term, it's incredibly destructive. So we're gonna get a taste, they think it's going to be between 1.1 and 1.7, higher than pre industrial levels. And we're going to experience it. So maybe I know maybe that's the taste. And when we talk about influence, maybe we need to have those, maybe we need to hit that. But I gotta tell you, I'm I think where were we this is climate breakdown, it started. And every delay, every step we don't take now makes it worse. Another one big, big raid in The Guardian called the carbon bombs set to trigger catastrophic climate breakdown. And so basically, it's just talking about all of the oil and gas majors who've got all of these projects, they're either they're already off the ground, they're already happening. They're already pumping, or they're in the process. And, you know, it's Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP, Chevron, they've made two trillions in profits in the last three decades. And the BPS boss describe the company today because of the Ukraine war and increased prices as a cash machine. Well, BP boss, I would like to suggest that there's his company, I think they're in Austria have designed these bamboo, outdoor air conditioning systems. I'd like you to invest in them and take them to these countries that are experiencing this extreme heat. Use your cash for good, right. But this this report, what's coming up, this is the zero chance of being able to hit 1.5 or getting under 1.5 with what is already in the plans 195 Carbon bombs. That's how they're describing it, these gigantic projects, and you know, they're gonna make a lot of money. But that's it. That's pretty much it. Did you have a chance to have a look at that one? It's a long one. Oh, no. This is the this is the thing that I was talking about earlier about that the important thing, to to stay away from the sense that nothing can happen that it doesn't make a difference. You know, and it's it's used to great effect in politics. But it shouldn't happen to something as important as climate change. I think the important thing is be will have to be on board going back, yes, it does make a difference. And I've been, I've been on a diet myself, and I kind of see a parallel. And it's only because I'm so much of an egomaniac that I can take the world's problems and translate it to my trying to lose weight. But when you start on a weighing machine, and you go, like I've lost 200 grams, that can that can, that can give you that same sort of feeling where you go, like, I've done all this crazy stuff this past week. And all that's happened is that and it can feel a lot like that, I think with the environment, right? And so when we talk about numbers, and the problem, the problem right now really is we're using too small a number because when you say 1.5 degrees, it really doesn't seem like a big number, right? If we could figure a way of changing the unit of measurement, and we're gonna say like it from this year to next year, we're going to we're going to we're going to have an increase of 1497 milli kilos or whatever, some some some term that is larger sounding and more attention grabbing, then I think it makes a difference what right now we're using standards that make things seem, you know, like, I think we're talking about the the Anaconda and the water pig last week, right? It doesn't seem large enough, a big enough movement, our brains go like okay, not much 1.5 degrees. I mean, seriously, it's the kind of thing that you look at your, your, your remote control and go like, Oh, it's just feeling a bit a bit warm right now, I'm just gonna put up by one or two degrees. You don't feel that in relative terms, right. And I think what we need to do is try and translate that try and figure a way to translate that so that when someone sees 1.5 degrees, they feel it in much more dramatic, in a much more dramatic way. Oh, no, no, I reckon the charts that are showing the rising heat, you know, we've hit the highest ever recorded level of co2 in human history. People are living through the impacts of what 1.1 1.2 is, they certainly know that 1.5 isn't going to be pretty in it's, it's a, I don't know how much more proof so another one, another paper is called. It's called the apocalypse papers. Scientists call for paradigm shift as biodiversity biodiversity loss worsens. This is in inside climate news. And what's amazing about this article is it's just links to all of these research papers, which include cacti are suffering catastrophic loss, you know, who would have thought in the heat, we've talked about the insects collapse that's going on. So that's a really, really amazing piece. And of course, we've got the India Pakistan Heatwave, we've seen now, six around the floods in Australia, New Mexico has got these incredible wildfire going off of because, of course, we're paying attention to the one in Orange County in California, because millionaires houses are being burned. At the same time, the California reservoir, the state's two largest are already basically critically low levels. And we're not even and then one of the scientists is saying the rate of warming could double in the next 25 years. So the rate of global warming during the next 20 years could be double what it was in the previous 50. So that's well into the 3.2 3.5 sort of territory, it's like, you know, this is this is all happening really fast now. And what we've got to do is, every single one of us has got to do everything we can to clean up our own lives, and be be influential wherever we can be, whether it's the companies we work for, and how we vote in talking to politicians. But you know, and we've got to spread the word and we need as many people on board doing it as possible. I mean, just, I mean, have you seen the famines that are going on around the world? I mean, East Africa is basically in serious risk of famine. And we know about the fertilizers causing, you know, global food security risks, the war in Ukraine is having a big, big, big issue on food things. Even in Breitbart, they're talking about the global food crisis over lack of rainfall. I mean, you know, even they're talking about France is just had, they had some crop damage earlier in the year now, they've got another whole round of damage coming in, what we've got to think about when this global famine really, really kicks off and takes off around the world is we've got reserves this year, next year. We won't, you know, so this this is this is the escalation you know, that, that we're why can't we pay attention to it? I'm terrified for the people in the world, you know, like, I'm going to be alright, I'm still going to be able to afford food. I might have as many choices, you know, it's going to be more expensive, but limits Millions and millions of people starving to death on our doorstep. And we know we're being asked to do is to shrink our lifestyles, stop having such a big impact on the planet. And people don't want to hear it, they don't want to listen to it. And it's like, and there is joy in changing your life, there is so much joy, I can't tell you, you know, it's the load is lighter. You don't, I'm not relieved. You're not running off to stuff anymore. There's a freedom. There's such a freedom in it. And it's a really positive turn, if you can, if you can start to recognize it and start moving forward, at least clean up your own life, you know, and minimize, it sounds to me, like the global narrative of earn more get bigger, bigger house, bigger car bigger, this bigger that whatever it is that bigger, more more, more bigger, bigger, bigger, beat the neighbors sort of thing. Is, is the wrong narrative? Yeah. And every single industry, right, it doesn't. So this is one of the things that concerns me. Right? So the World Bank recently said, you know, we've got to completely restructure completely did you? We were talking about that a few weeks ago, right? An amazing piece of writing, and, and recognition. But then all these other industries, they're not having the conversations like, okay, travel, travel, he's a really good one. I've got a lot of friends who are feeling very guilty about getting on planes to go home and visit their family and the family they haven't seen for three years, right. So I've basically been doing some research, and I'm going to share it with my friends, I'm going to, I'm taking the boys to Europe for the summer. And I'm going to, I'm going to plan 2000 trees through B one G one to compensate for my impact, right. But I'm also watching business travel coming back and watching people getting on planes and going to these events, um, you know, the cheap airlines, you know, $49, and you can fly to Europe, people in Europe, flying somewhere that they can catch a train to. And I'm just looking at it all. And just like, surely, if we can leave air travel for the people that want to go and spend time with their family that they haven't seen for three years. But anything else beyond that is we have to reduce it. And of course, the airline industry doesn't want to hear that. The manufacturers don't want to hear that. But you know, my real anger in this whole airline thing is the aerospace engine industry. They've been taking in the millions in the billions they're taking in new orders is it's it's just exploded. And the brightest, brightest aerospace engineers have not designed aircraft that are good for the environment. And but but nobody's taught, it's not been it's not being discussed yet. On a scale. And that's what that's what really frustrates me no industry, like the fashion industry. Yeah, but fast fashion, it's exploding. I think one of the problems is people have the ability to say when the time comes, right, and and this is really, this is really what what it is whether the, you know, like the the car industry has been has been prepared for electrification, you know, and it was always going to be when the time comes, the energy companies actually have a plan that will roll out when the time comes. And that is the challenge. The challenge is we will eat pizza until we can't. But we'll maybe face that when the time comes. And that is the human condition. What we need to try and figure out is how do you make the time come, I was just thinking about the only way that we can really, you know, I was talking about how big big changes only happen when someone dies. And the time comes when a country disappears. The time comes when it becomes real. I mean, like even even for COVID, when you were talking about COVID earlier and how you know, it kind of unified us and I thought actually didn't really do that. Yeah, the world, the world, the world got COVID but seemingly not Africa. I just thought like it was an alien invasion, somehow we will figure a way that you know that the world unites the human race and not maybe not Africa. We just have that way of forgetting about about our entire race at the same time. Yeah, so that's, that's the thing. I think it's the ability to go where the time comes. You know, we've done that with and it's a it's a, I was just thinking about how we could try to restructure media consumption and be like, as in like, in the old days, what they did was in the US, when they when they gave up TV licenses, they made half an hour mandatory for news broadcasting where it wasn't supposed to be about commercials and stuff. And that was for the greater good, right? And I thought, well, what if we made something happen and let's, let's say Elon Musk, trying to work this out here. Before you can access your tweets, your Facebook, whatever it is, you have to go through at least three international news stories that I'm not to do with your life. I mean, you know, as a fee, it's free. I don't make you pay anything. But your license to get this free content is to expose yourself to more information. Yeah. So we got something like that, because the information problem is a huge part of the problem and massive part of the problem. But the time has come. And that one of the final bases in Rolling Stones, we've talked about this many times doomsday glacier in Antarctica could collapse soon. So that's when your islands go, right. But if the water is expanding all the time, because it's heating up. So you know, it's only a matter of time until the islands go. But But the time has come to go on June. Also what we do what we do have, and I know that I've been obviously a champion about how we do handle things, like even Singapore, Singapore is doing what it can to prepare. But what it's doing is instead of trying to change the world, it is prepared so that when the time comes, you know, we're not going to be affected by it as much. I think lace Young is a very big, global influencer, when it comes to the climate crisis. And I think he is listened to and respected around the world. So I think he's doing more than just taking care of Singapore. He's definitely got the the eyes on Singapore. But the message is actually out there in the world. And I think he's, for me, he's one of the leaders I admire the most in this fight, because his credibility is very high. Yeah, well, the author said a couple of years ago in his National Day address that, that they need to, they need to understand it better. They need to mitigate what can happen with the risk with regards from Singapore perspective, but but he also said, Singapore needs to get our own house in order so that when we tell other people what they should be doing, we're leading by example. Yeah. It's not about just going, you know, you guys should be doing this, which is what Andrew has been saying, with regards. We each of us as individuals also need to do the same thing. Get our own house in order. So that we're also sharing with others, we'll do what we can, even if it's just starting starting to do something to do what we can. Like. You were saying, Karen? Yeah, no, I was I was I was just building upon what y'all were saying about the time comes. And I mean, two points. You know, I mean, Singapore shows that if we want to display thought leadership, you can be small, but you can punch above your weight, if you are able to shape the narrative. And I think the time has come for us to redefine what a good life is. And I think this is the power of social media. In fact, the glamour of travel was also manufactured. I mean, way back in the past, people didn't think they needed to travel in order to lead a good life. So now, you know, it's about redefining social consciousness as a good life. And, you know, for me, if I thought, you know, if I made three changes, you know, last year, and this year, give up meat, and I stopped buying clothes, I started renting. And number three, we just decided to give up our car. And so and I think, you know, just by saying that, you know, we could own our own actions. We start with ourselves. Yeah, yeah. And then the number one, the number one thing to reduce your impact and the climate drive driverless, you don't have a car. So so if I can summarize what Karen just said, and what Andrea just added to, we need to remove Joe's shirt and put them on a horse. I second get rid of the car it's just sounded if you think about the parallel is you're asking me to do a Putin. Yeah. Get on a horse. Putting yourself in the shoes. Okay, nevermind. Yep. All right. Let's, let's wrap it up. Unless there's anything else news wise that you want to attention, being capturing your attention, anything you're watching, listening to reading, being distracted by anything you want to pass on? Well, I'm just gonna recommend now that it's all there to be binged the whole series Ozarks. I don't know whether you've actually seen that Jason Bateman does an incredible job. I mean, for those of you who think of Jason Bateman as a comedian, watch or not, he's not comedian. He's just an unknown went known for his roles in comedy. But what a great show. It's just an amazing show that manages to, to wrap so much crime around a warm family life. but it's it's it's the it's almost like the Waltons done for today. And it's kind of sounds it sounds like a very bizarre treatment, bizarre idea, but just trying to imagine that if the Waltons were allowed to just air all their dirty laundry, and they also happen to be the Kardashians, is it Sopranos? A bit yeah, Walton Sopranos. There you go. That's that's the kind of kind of thing. And there's there's a little bit of, there's a little bit of that. So it's all it's all that stuff. It's, it's it's actually the betta compared to this Little House on the Prairie with a little murder thrown in. So Murder She Wrote on the prairie. Alright, Karen, what's keeping you distracted? I think we need a bit of positivity. I mean, I love this series. I'm watching this series on Netflix called Old enough, you guys might have seen it. It's been running for 30 years in Japan, you know about two little kids who managed independently. So I think it just shows that you know, a lot of times the young our own kids are smarter than they let on we forget. And we haven't do it from the young ones. Okay, whatever they're living for. Yeah, I've seen it. I haven't watched it yet. But Tim, just just about about all enough. I recommend that one episode that they've used for the trailer, go seek it out. It'll make you scream at the TV. Small Japanese boy tries to get all kinds of produce up and down this particular village. Except it's a hilly village, and he's carrying apples. That's enough for you to know what's gonna happen. All right. All right. Since interesting, Tim, I've been I've been watching a couple of things that I've missed my attempt to get? Well, they've been procrastination mechanisms, predominantly, as I've been trying to get this final assignment. So I've done one joint essay and one exam. The exam was a six hour exam. I can't believe it. But anyway, now I've got a finally the final assignment coming up. But I've been I've been sort of rewarding my my work with a bit of time afterwards. Two things I've been doing. One of them is I've been taking Zoey, who's six and a half now. Taking her through Star Wars, all the Star Wars things starting from Phantom Menace. And we've just done a new hope. So we did. We did. We did all of that we got to a new hope. Which I was I now finally watched a new hopes that was with adult eyes. I mean, I'd watched it as a as a seven year old. And I'd watched it as a as a team that managed to buy, I think five versions of the same film when George Lucas was releasing it on first of all, it was on cassette, then a remastered cassette, then A then A late giant laser disc, then a DVD and the remastered DVD with the additional bits that he wanted to put in and I bought all at the same show. Now I've got an on a Disney Channel. So it's like, okay, great. But actually, it's it really, really kind of groovy story after watching Rogue One, we watched solo, we were Rogue One, then we got to Star Wars, new hope. So it's been, it's been kind of cool. She managed to watch the whole Star Wars until they were in the channel trying to block the desktop, she fell asleep. But it was probably good. But there's a couple of other things I've been watching. I've been watching lower decks. So I like animations. So lower decks is is a Star Trek series, and animated series based on the crew that work in the lower decks, the crappy jobs. And it's, it's quite funny, they're the they're just bickering and arguing the whole time. And it's and it's, it's quite, it's quite good. It's great. It's great for an adult with a co funny. And then there's another one which is really, really interesting. And this one is on a by the way, lower decks is on prime. If you've got the Amazon channel Prime Video, and so is undone. I'm done is this really interesting idea. It's about this woman who gets into a car accident and has this sort of coma experience where she sees her deceased father come back and saying that and and she has a schizophrenic grandmother. And this idea that actually she wasn't schizophrenic. They've just got this ability to to go into this middle place and the Father is saying meet me in this middle place because we need to try and fix some stuff that's happening. And she's flipping between these dimensions and going through a Groundhog Day type experience as they're trying to do this and so she's she's kind of freaking out a little bit but it's it's called undone. u n d o n e undone It's just so you gotta get past the first episode because the first episode doesn't feel like that at all. But the second episode, you're really into it, and it's, it's quite cool. So, yeah, well, I've been watching, having Grace and Frankie, I'm watching and very happily being distracted by them as they go into their very final season. But we watched Three Mile Island this last week, and that is about the worst news, the worst nuclear disaster in the world, up until Shinobu happens. It's a fascinating, fascinating story. So it's the whistleblower, the character who's the whistleblower that you don't sort of realize until a bit later on that, that discipline of the profession, and how he basically sort of says, you know, that all these shortcuts were happening, because when an industry is trying to make a profit, they're going to make these shortcuts and he's saying, from a nuclear perspective, there can be no shortcuts. So it's really talks about, you know, nuclear probably could have had a future if it was built in a different way. And you know, nuclear is going to be part of our future in some form or another. But it also looks at how very, very, very, very poor communication from the company on lack of transparency, political motivations, it's really fascinating if you want to look at it from a energy industry and how it operates and how it deceives it's, yeah, it's certainly a good a good watch. But if you want to watch something cheery, don't watch that. I can't believe you Andrea, are watching something not cheery cheering Come on. I try. I try. I try. But Steve wants to watch things too. So I've got to listen to him. Alright, let's read. Let's wrap it up. Karen. Thank you so so so much for coming in joining us. I really, really appreciate it. And you'll have to come back and visit us again soon. Joe and Tim, awesome to have you here. I hope your studies are going well Tim Yeah, we'll say goodbye. You want to go do you guys want to say goodbye and say nicely again? And Karen said Joe shirt off on the horse made? Yeah, that was that was just the one thing for everybody. Just remember the market is always there so that if you lost something today, you can always make it back some of the time. Horrible. Thank you every