Uncommon Courage

The Know Show – theme, how we think and make decisions

March 25, 2022 Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade, Joe Augustin, Avni Martin Episode 54
Uncommon Courage
The Know Show – theme, how we think and make decisions
Show Notes Transcript

Welcome to The Know Show. Once again, we’ll be focusing on the news that is absorbing the world’s attention and trying to make sense of it, always looking for the positives. We don’t talk about the day-to-day news (there’s enough of that) it’s more focused on the news around the big stories. We are delighted to welcome Avni Martin, who is going to discuss how we think and make decisions in the theme section. Avni is an ICF MCC coach, speaker and trainer, who discusses topics like rewriting our past, present and future, as well as refining our thoughts and actions. 

The questions we will discuss are:

1)     How we think and make decisions, which Avni will relate to Putin and the war

2)     Long term versus short term thinking 

3)     The quality of decision making and its impact on us (at a micro level), or society and the world at large (macro level)

4)     As well as how can we make better decisions

The Know Show is a Livestream held every Friday, where Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade and Joe Augustin, with at least one special guest, review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters to all of us. 

The Know Show is based on Andrea T Edwards Weekend Reads, which are published every Saturday on andreatedwards.com, and covers the climate crisis, Covid 19, topical moments in the world, global politics, business, social issues and passion/humor/history. Join us. 

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Yep, this bad anyway. All right. Very quickly. This is the no show we had some real technical problems before. So we may come to the most succinct, start to the show ever. My name is Joe Augustine. Over there is Andrew Edwards. This fellow down below is Tim Wade. And our guest for today is Avi Martin. She is a master coach. And she also has a leadership role in ICF. It's gonna tell us all about that. And right now, she talks about how she helps people rewrite the past the present and the future. Avnei girl. Thank you though, Joe. Very, very quick introduction. I love that so, so great to be here with you all. Thanks a lot for having me here. And so yes, I have just recently joined ICF global leadership position as global director of coaching education. There we go, Tim, what was that? That was just shedding a new light on things. Is that gonna be the theme all day today? You know? I'm gonna do it again. But ignore me continue with what you're doing. Yes, yes. So yeah. It's great to be here. Thanks. Over to you Andrea. Well, yeah, so we've got Tim back after a couple of weeks off in Australia. How did your holiday go? Was it nice to catch up with family and friends or are we stuck in flood somewhere or what No, we we turned up in flood gear with with the like, I Know What You Did Last Summer sort of fishermen outfits and Wellington's and everything we walked out of the aeroplane blue skies, 32 degrees, and we're like, what? And I didn't see a single flood, there was a little bit of rain and there's a lot of people suffering around the region. So I was just very, very fortunate to, to land, get into a car drive up and be everything was fine. We experienced delays from things getting to my parents place that we had ordered a couple of weeks earlier. Stuff like that was happening and I've seen photos of Lisbon and not Lisbon, Lismore, Lisbon, Portugal, Lismore and places like that, that library and not just all the stuff, there been a bit of a mess, but, but it was fantastic to finally, for the first time in a long time, well, 13 months, it's been since seeing my parents. And, and that was really, really great. And it was just a it was and also Australia had an unmasked policy as of two days before we landed to everybody was immediately walking around with no masks on we were masked up as we when we got there. And we were masked up along the drive all the way up. And we stopped at a few places and had masks on to go and pick up a cup of coffee and something. But it was bizarre. It was a really weird experience to have a mask off time. And that's coming to Singapore soon, too, which is going to be interesting. I partially coming to Singapore. Yeah. Yeah, my husband is Australia. And that coming from Asia where we've all worn them. You know, we have no choice. Yeah, he's just found it. completely bizarre to be around it. It was bizarre. Strange, right. But there was an and I just, I felt, I felt this strange sense of solidarity and respect for the people who continue to wear masks. Because I just thought, you know, good on them. They're there. They're thinking about this. And that's what I thought anyway, that's what I was thinking. But, you know, there was a there was one little country town, not really countries that were sort of a hinterland mountain town, and there was this big guy with sort of disheveled hair. And he had a black T shirt on, that said, get infected, not injected in big yellow writing. And I was like, I get it, but no, I mean, why, why? Why do you want to get infected with anything? So, you know, I mean, it's, it's probable, but but it's it's not a mandate that I I'd want to lead with. So anyway, I understand was just, you know, I'm gonna share some stories about that later. Yeah, so this week? I don't know. I feel like I hit a new low with the war, and what's going on around the world. And there's some huge, huge stories from an environment perspective we're going to share today. How did you go how you guys sort of as your mental health because I know one one of the conversations I'm having many many people is the whole world's depressed right now and people are out there hope How're you guys doing? Well, I just like to say that whoever stole my antidepressants I hope you're happy. Me How you feeling? You know, I think subconsciously it did impact me and I wasn't fully aware of How much but I experienced a little bit of burnout last week, you know, and I thought it was all the work. But actually, I think these things do impact us, they do Weigh Down on us, they do bother us, because you know, at some level, all of us are wandering and thinking that what's going to happen is something going to happen. And these conversations are happening on my sofa, at my dinner table with my kids who are asking, you know, 12 year old is asking, you know, you know, if the bomb falls in Singapore, how fast does it travel? What do we do? Where do we go? Do we go into the bomb shelter? Is it going to work? You know, like asking questions like that, obviously, you know, so we have to explain that if that happens, there is no shelter. It's kaboom, if that really happens. And then my five year old asking similar questions, you know, he's described, I think people might find it strange that Singapore has so many buildings that still do actually have a lot of I can't remember which year it was when they stopped putting bomb shelters in the buildings. Do you guys know? Well, they haven't stopped putting bomb shelters in buildings, but they haven't made it mandatory for every home to have its own shelter. They call it a hardened shelter. So we still have the we still have bomb shelters, we still have bunkers at the bottom of buildings. But we don't have the hardened storeroom, which basically is designed to survive a blast better, and always posed a strange question of what happens to the rest of the building disappears if you have to speak of a remaining structure behind you know, yet all these people began to be crammed in this room with all their luggage and other things that they've just stowed in there. But yeah, I mean, in those in those rooms, you can still receive media called Radio. So that's that's the that was always the big thing. That's the final torture. We had a bit of a debate in our house where we are actually wondering, do these bomb shelters actually work? Do they actually work? Will they withstand? Say if there is, you know, God forbid, but if there is a nuclear blast, how can a bomb shelter in an apartment block actually work? What's giving you hope? Yeah, well, the first thing and just being a smartass was thought about this all the time. They offer you know, protection from nuclear blast, nuclear blasts are a totally different thing. But if we had one of those, if we were in one of those, and we had one of those, you know, like missile attacks that happen in Ukraine way hits the side of a building, there is a good chance that in that in that area, you will at least we'll have some protection from that. So it's it's never going to stop, you know, like a massive destruction of an entire building, but it's the kind of thing that's going to help a blast sort of, like, you know, around you. It's it's it's an improbable situation as an AI most people aren't going to stick around for that to happen, hopefully. But I mean, the better place to be is actually with with the with the larger group and in the in the bunkers, pretty close to almost residential, any any any any residential effect. Almost any part Singapore is actually quite close to some sort of underground bunker and a place to go to Yeah, I sorry, I didn't even know about these underground bunkers. Where are they? You'll have to tell me later. There's one of the bottom of my building there. There there. Were a belly studio and a gym are currently using them. Hmm. So yeah, yeah, it's a bizarre situation where basically all around Singapore something akin to Okay, everybody class over belly issues out and then you know, emotional see stuff. Yeah, that's the way it's gonna work. Yeah. Or in some places that filter in a provision shops, which I think in some ways means it's actually well stocked for emergencies. That's a good thing. So does it mean that these underground bunkers actually will withstand? They're designed to withstand because they're underground? A nuclear blast as well? Is a direct direct hit from a nuclear blast is it's it's we're not we're not going to survive. Nothing's been built apart from one America a fleet of American planes but yeah, well, if it goes nuclear we're, we're we're staffed in one way or another, basically. Yeah. Charming way to start our show. So people know what that was about. Hopes and Dreams crushed in a few moments. Yeah. Oh, gotta be realistic. Ya know, like I said, I'm just been, I've, you know, I'm taking on board so much stuff about what's going on to want to make sense of it. And there's a cost to that. And most of the time, I'm okay with it. But every now and again, it's just, you know, it's too dark. It's just too dark. And I have to sit in that space until I can come out of it naturally, I always say I don't resist it, I have to feel it, you know, but I'm very, I'm very good at taking on news and big news with it. And I can be very, very objective. But it's not 100% All the time. So. But once I can come back, then I know I can. When I come back, I've got the hope. I found the hope, you know, and I feel like I'm back with the hope and at a time when the world needs hope. But people have got to take care of themselves always say you got to step back from the news. But this is a great time, a great example where it's very difficult to do that. So take care of yourself, step away from it, if you need to. Look for the good news is lots of good news. There's lots of hope. This is a time of global transformation. Whether we go down or we you know, we're at a fork in the road. We have a choice now, which path do we take? And it doesn't have to be the dark path. And we were all part of that decision. Every single one of us so I, you know, keep keep hope alive. Don't Don't don't fall victim to hopelessness. We can't, because that's when we lose. And you know, it's pitons golf. It's really he's cool. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think you asked me about how I felt, as you know, famous be I don't have feelings. I only have thoughts. I I've been less affected by things, partly because I think I've been less informed about things I have. I have been following a few key interviews that you know, with with Zelinsky and other people. And I am actually quite hopeful about where things are going as in in terms of where the pieces are right now. It would take it would take someone to go okay, all the all the pieces out there. And I mean, just the sweet all the pieces away. I don't play this game, because there is enough now on the table for it to move forward. I think through his conversations with the Turkish prime minister, putting in a short conversation actually laid out what he thought was necessary for the for the war to stop. And I think also Zelinsky has mentioned as well, you know, that he sees he's okay, on a few of those ideas. There's a lot going right now in the right direction. The the way it stands right now is that peace. And I mean, I don't want to I don't want to it sounds like the strangest thing to say but it's for Putin to lose the peace deal. As in like the way it's been put out. Now. It really is going to be something like that. Zelinsky is a little adamant about certain aspects of the of their situation, and I would say justifiably so. But I don't think there's enough there to give put in an excuse to say that no, they didn't want they didn't want peace. I think it's it's out there. enough people know about it. And, you know, I think what's going to happen also is this is this, this this might be it's maybe it's a very interesting time for Putin, because what happens after this particular point, because this is not the same as everything else that happened before. Somehow there isn't or wasn't as much of a feeling that went with Crimea. I don't know why, but it was just not as strong a sense. When Crimea was was annexed. This time, a lot of people care, a lot of and it's affecting a lot of people. And I think we got to get into the news details where, where we talk about the dynamics of it as well, the geopolitics including what's happening with China. So I look forward to the rest of the show. Yeah. Should we get stuck into it? Yeah. All right. So not starting with Ukraine. But we will be quickly getting into it. But a couple of major news pieces this week, where I'm usually a little bit sarcastic, but not, I've got four rather than just one. But let's start with Boris Johnson. I usually start with Scott Morrison. But yeah, basically, The week kicked off with fury. When he said that the Ukrainians like the Britons had the instinct to choose freedom, which was of course linked to Brexit. And that, yeah, that didn't go down very well with a lot of people. The Taliban is basically looking like it's going to renege on its promise to educate girls. And I'm seeing a lot of people very frustrated about the world not participating, to get not contributing to Afghan and making sure that the people are being fed. But the problem is that the Taliban have to meet these these agreements, and one of them is educating girls. So do these countries say well, we're going to ignore that for now and help the people which means that they're going to be backing the Taliban or do they is staying strong. So here's the situation 95% of Afghanis, I've got Afghanis Yeah, I'm not getting enough to eat. And if that household is run by women, it's it's nearly 100%. So feminine starvation, the desperation in Afghanistan. Is that as it levels we've never seen and nowhere around the world will we be seeing numbers like that. So that's a really difficult one. Right. So the welds is insisting that they do the right thing, especially by women. That's the deal. They're not do we do we go and go and support them anyway? And obviously, I think it's a it's a difficult one, right? If you guys been noticing that story? Yeah. And it's like, what do you do? I mean, and, and now now, with the war in Ukraine, sort of taking everybody's attention over there, they can get away with a lot of stuff. They can get away with reneging on a bunch of things that they said they were gonna do. And then when you're pouring in aid, and they're and it's being directed away from where you thought it was gonna go? Do you stop pouring it in, and then the people suffer? And you're back to the whole rule is a fine and the people are suffering? sort of scenario once again. Yeah. Because if the AI does get in there, is it gonna? Is it gonna make it to the people anyway? Are the Taliban going to use it as you know, so it's, it's a really difficult one. So I'm seeing the frustration around it. And I think it's, it's another impossible situation that the world is trying to overcome. We saw Madeleine Albright died this week at the age of 80, for the first ever female, US Secretary of State. So the tributes are flowing out for her and politically, whichever side of the hedge that you're on. She is a woman who, you know, she was a first and I think, you know, she should be honored for that. But another story, which I didn't have a chance to share with you guys, when I sent the stuff last night is that there's a new Supreme US Supreme Court, Judge? Jackson, have you seen that? Yeah. So to me, that's been a both a stunning and a disgusting part of the news cycle this week, the way that she has been treated, if you want to know if you want to know what it feels like to be a woman walking into the white man's domain, watch this story. But if you want to know what it's like to be a woman of color, walking into a white man stone domain, even though the you know, there's a black male judge, and there's other, you know, other what is happening to her. And a lot of the Republicans will not be endorsing her as a pig, but they think that there's enough that she's going to get through. But I've actually found it very disturbing. How comfortable people are talking the way they do about a woman who is very, very highly qualified. And if you want to look for hoping this story, there's a beautiful picture of her daughter, sitting behind her with a very proud smile on her face, Melinda, Melinda Gates, but I can't remember a middle, her new middle name, but she's been sharing that photo. But so there's good and beauty, and there's just disgust. I wish we could get the disgust out of this world. It's very upsetting. But anyway, that have you noticed that Avni? Have you watched that story? I'm sure I haven't watched that story. But I was actually thinking about you in all of these stories and how you feel as well, you know, and no, so I haven't seen that story. But Andrea, I really relate to you in terms of you know, you are quite a big Empath, right, I think you absorb the energy of the world and see what's happening. And you know, I think you take it inside you. And sometimes I really wonder about, you know, how, how can you? Or what can you do? Would you want to even do it, if you had a way to find a way to protect yourself, you know, it's all very good being an empath. But if it impacts you on a daily basis, then I do wonder if there are some strategies, or or some ways in which you might want to protect yourself. Still, it also adds some encouragement as well. I mean, like this Facebook users just posted there, you know, they're very proud of you. And I think this this, this does say a lot about a lot of people who follow your writing and their work as well. Because what you do, what you do is, is without obvious reward, you're really just, you know, putting yourself out there and doing this. And I know, I if left to me, this, this, this show would have died a long time ago. But you are such a powerhouse, doing something that you feel is important, and I think it's getting out there. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. I was actually talking to my husband about it. That very topic last night, I am very good at protecting myself. I do have strategies, and it's just something I've learned to do. Right. So don't Don't worry about me, but there are times when it does have an impact. And I it's the cost, you know, there's always a cost, you know, and if you accept the cost, then, you know, get on there because I mean knowledge, it's about knowledge we've got to and it's about looking around the stories, you know, I see a lot of people with one opinion And it's one possibility, it's not the truth. It's one possibility. And I just really want to encourage people to look at, if you can look at stories from every angle, then we have a chance to overcome some of the issues that we face. So whoever wrote that comment, thank you. That was very lovely. Shall we move on to the Ukraine? Yes. And you know, before we move on, I wanted to add that this, this whole idea that you shared around looking at things from multiple perspectives, you've hit the nail on the head, Andrea, if we all can just take that one thing out of life, and just that one thing out of life, just that one thing, if we can look at things from multiple perspectives, then there will be less fights and wars within families, within husband and wife, within neighborhoods, in employment and workplaces, and also the world at large, you know, if you can just look at things from more than one perspective, not just your own perspective and what you want, but how about what other people want? And where are they coming from? And what is their truth? Like? What does the world look like from their angle? I think that would make such a difference. Yeah, massive. Alright, so let's get on to the Ukraine. So the first title is war and weapons. So there's been a fair bit of coverage on these elite drone pilots squadron that are doing, inflicting some pretty severe damage on the Russian troops. So they're sending the drones out at night and taking out a lot of the big tanks and the big vehicles. We saw a Bangladesh shipping company is seeking$22.4 million from insurance claims because the missile struck one of the ships I also saw a few days ago, Russia was showing off one of their big warships, and that actually got bombed by the Ukrainians as well. But one of the stories that I suppose I don't know if you guys saw this, a few years ago, Putin, Putin went on TV, and he announced these new hypersonic missiles that Russia has now has, and they have now been used for the first time in war. So these are billed as unstoppable in combat. And we know that you know, every war we're looking at, you know, ways to be, get get a leg up on our, on the enemy, right. But these, these missiles can hit any target on Earth, anywhere within an hour. So ballistic missiles already move fast. But what makes hypersonic missiles even more powerful is that they glide in the upper atmosphere. And they're also highly maneuverable. So they can be sort of moved around us as they fly. And obviously, with the with the ballistic missiles, they don't have that flexibility. So that's one of those stories that, you know, it's a level of elevation that I suppose maybe they're just testing them, because it's the first time they're being used. And a lot can go wrong, when you when you do use these sort of weapons. So maybe they're just testing them, they're not testing them on towns, they're on sort of facilities. Right, another one, we've seen some stories where the Ukraine Army is actually pushing the Russians back. So that sort of gives us a bit of hope. And yesterday, the Doomsday Plane was, was reported as flying over the English Channel. So there's a plane called the Boeing 747 Nightwatch, which is an American fleet. And this is a plane that is capable of withstanding nuclear blast. So that answers the question, don't go to the bomb shelter you need to get on the Nightwatch. And yeah, so basically, that that was on the way to Europe yesterday. Kind of feels a bit concerning feels like more of the escalation around the whole nuclear conversation. So that that wasn't great news. Did you guys have a look at any of those stories? Yeah, the hypersonic one, which is pretty amazing. 6000 kilometers an hour is amazing. I mean, yeah. Two kilometers a second. Yeah, it's, that's lightning fast. And how would you stop it? You know, that's why they call it unstoppable. So very hard to aim. That's the that's the other problem with it. One of them is not actually one of them. Apparently, it can go do lots of loops and bounds, and then you can still direct it. And so that goes in the out of the out of atmosphere, outer atmosphere, and then it can do a lot, a lot of little circles, and then it can be directed. Exactly. And very precisely, which is scary. Yeah. And it does that to confuse people about where it's going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the defense. Defense missile systems just aren't ready for something like that. But you know, Putin announced this a number of years ago, and it's here. And obviously, everyone's known it's coming, but now it's being used and I don't know we just keep marching towards war all the time. And that's not what it is big money and weapons. That's a lot of problem. Yeah, you know, yeah. And it's a war is good for people who sell weapons and they make a lot of money. Yeah, yeah. And you know, every time I hear news where Ukraine is making progress, like the first piece of news, you know, where the elite drones are now helping and making progress, I felt good to begin with, but immediately, I felt like a hold on a minute. You know, if Ukraine is making progress, and Russia, you know, with their ego and wanting to win, they're going to take out more toys, right? More toys of mass destruction, they're going to, you know, because they want to win. So if somebody is doing better than they're going to try even harder. So I always feel scared when, whilst we all want Ukraine to win, and we want people to support them, of course, and we are all trying our best to support them. I really do fear every time I see that support increasing that what's the consequence of that happening now? And sometimes, you just wonder, you know, what is the best way to Now stop it? Right, like, stop it now before? You know, it just keeps going up? and up and up? and up and up? And when do you stop it? You know? Yeah, there's no winner here. Right? There is reminds me of this other story about which comedian it was with to tell the story. But basically, I use his friend, all them like you get attacked by a shark. And what you do is you punch it on the nose, right? So what he did was he just thought about it like, Well, what happens is now you've punched a shark. And the shark is like, Hey, listen, I was just gonna be swimming by but now that you punched me. It's about escalation. Right? As you as you talked about there again. And the same thing as well, people have asked me about why doesn't the Ukraine just go ahead and really punch back into Russia? Right? And and that's the whole thing. It's, it gives you that license, that gives you the story that says that, okay, now they've attacked us now we can do what we you know, not now it's true, you know, all those different things. So they it is a very, it is a very strategic thing, or a tactical thing, responding to violence or responding to an attack, how much of an attack back do you give? Because, yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna lead to the next thing. You're absolutely right. Joe, that's a really, really interesting conversation and point, it's like the art of war, right? How far do you go and what what games do you play in war? And, you know, from I, you know, I learned taekwondo, and my taekwondo teacher always says, you know, that, basically, if you're going to get attacked, I know you're on a beach or on a backstreet. And if you're going to get attacked, then your best shot is take the person down, you know, with one punch. And this is how you punch, right? You just take the person down. And I know it sounds really aggressive and violent, but But giving an opponent especially in this case, a very immature opponent, right, who's just started something that's tragic for everybody, including all the Russians an opportunity to keep escalating. I had a slightly more controversial opinion, right from the beginning that, you know, if you're going to oppose something, oppose it really well, if you're going to do something, do it really well. So if you're going to stop someone, stop them right now. And stop them really well and stop them really fast. And I know it means a total escalation pretty fast, which sounds scary. And but what if it escalates there anyway? And it is just gradually building up, isn't it with everyone taking out their, you know, weapons? You know, I have got one up for you. I've got one up and then, you know, and they're getting support from other countries behind the scenes, I'm sure. You know, I feel sorry for myself, I feel sorry for the Russian people, because they're the ones, especially the ones that were mobile and able to travel around the world and everything else. Because now all of a sudden, they're bad guys again. And they've probably they've been, they've been, they've been fighting this this sort of branding since the Cold War on before. And it's, and it's like, ah, you know, we were, we had the World Cup in Russia, the world embraced it. Everybody was loving us. It was just, you know, it was the doors are open and now. And now this. Yeah. We're doing so well, Boris. Yeah, we've got a lot of Russian friends living here and they're having a really tough time. And they've been treated badly because of the decisions that the leader of their country made. And it's it's really it's really quite heartbreaking because these are these are good people and none of them want what's going on you know, and yeah, I mean, we've got a humanitarian section but before before we move on to that the environment impact of the war, which of course is always going to be front of mine, but the six UN Secretary General, Antonio Guterres, I don't know if I'm getting better at saying his name or not, but he's really really concerned about Turn to fossil fuels because of this war. So basically, you know, like we've talked about it before, a lot of a lot of countries in, especially in Europe, they're, they're looking at alternative sort of energy sources so they can get off the dependence of Russia. But if they then turn around and establish these new supply chains is obviously going to be legal commitments, which, you know, is definitely going to push us past the Paris climate goals. By basically, you know, I'm finding it really interesting at the moment, a lot of media are talking about the fact that if we don't get this under control, we're going to pass 1.5 degrees global warming, well, that's already set in, you know, so I don't know why the media is still talking about, there's a chance of not hitting 1.5. And when we're currently on track for 3.2. But with what's going on, and what's been going on with this war, we're looking at, emissions are set to rise by 14%. So we're not even we're not even, you know, keeping it at a steady level, it's going up. And this situation is really making it a lot worse, which you know, we know. And he's other concern is that countries are going to be so committed to finding solutions to their, to their few energy needs, that they're either going to neglect, or kneecap the policies that they've got in place to reduce fossil fuel use. So this is a real risk that this all brings of really accelerating the global heating. And when we get into the environment section, you'll know that we can't, we can't be sitting in this space, we just can't. So that's a concern. We can talk about the environment a bit later. But a couple of other stories that I think are really worth talking about. In we know that Bella rush Bella Russia is a partner with Russia, right? But there's there's people in Bella Russia that actually kind of ruin these elrich sorry, the Bella Russians, the who are cutting Russian supply chain, supplies by train. So they're actually going in and destroying the train line. So they're cutting off their supplies. Another article in The Guardian that's worth reading, reading those on the riots who loudly praise Putin have now fallen strangely silent. And obviously, they're talking about people like Nigel Farage and Trump. But one article I really want to recommend everybody reads his White House avoids Trump attacks on Russia, Ukraine. So basically Biden right from the word go. He's not the sort of person that just wants to talk about Trump all the time. He's not the politician that's going to be constantly digging at past policies that have led to the moments that we're in right now. But the behind the scenes of Democrats are saying we've got the midterms coming up, you know, Macron, has come out and said in 2024, Trump could be back in power. So the Europeans don't want to go all in with the US even though they they like and trust Biden, they don't know what's coming up. And, you know, they basically saying we need to remind people how much Trump undermined Ukraine security, and welcomed, you know, Putin, they say, welcome Vladimir Putin into America's election system. And I think that's incorrect. I think he was in the election system. And Trump benefited from that. But I don't think the goal was for Trump to benefit from it. It was to create division, as we talked about last week with Andy so But basically, the Democrats are looking at not taking a passive approach. But it's difficult, right? So we kind of want the politics of, of gentlemen and ladies now, after all those years of ugliness, but we're still fighting against ugly politics. So, you know, showing, you know, showing showing the better side isn't necessarily going to win. I don't know, what do you guys reckon? I just keep wondering, you know, what would what would our world look like? And what would wars look like? If you know if there were more female leaders in and I'm not a feminist? I'm not a feminist in that sense, but I do wonder that if majority of the world leaders were females, how will they fight? Right? And what do women do on a typical day? What do women do when they don't get along? And what do men do when they don't get long? Men will throw a punch, whether it's a verbal punch or a physical punch, and women will probably talk behind each other's back or just stay away from each other or something like that. Right? So there is a difference in the in the, you know, art of war with men and women. So not being a feminist, but I do think, what was that was a big noise. I don't know if you heard that. What do you say you're not a feminist? It was somebody against you not being a feminist. Yeah, me, right. All four of us are feminists. Everybody's a feminist definition. No, I mean, it's just that what No, I am a I'm a pianist, is the point. Right? I'm for the shoe. I'm a humanist. I'm a people list. I think men and women are both equally valuable. And I what um, for me a definition of a feminist is somebody who basically perhaps thinks that only females Should I guess everyone has a different definition only females should rule? Or should be one way. But so that's why I'm saying I'm not a feminist. I'm a people list. I'm an equalist. It should all be equal, right? Being an equalist, or humanist makes me a feminist, and I'm a feminist. So it's all about definitions. But the bottom line being that I think there is, it's just, it's just how guys fight. And it's just how girls fight. If you just look at that, right, when there is a disagreement amongst men, what happens? And where is it when there is a disagreement amongst women, what happens, there is a difference. And, and women would generally tend to preserve nurture, which is why our earth is called Mother Earth, right? That there are reasons for these things. I think women are less likely to launch missiles and bombs. That's my bottom line. You know, that's just Yeah. Speaking on behalf of my mom, I think I think the thing we do we do cherry pick, as in the sentence that I think we do look at always the best of everything, right, and the worst of everything right now that we have really the the worst of the worst of the male traits showing up, I think we've got great male leaders and I and I want and I know I step on, I'm getting into very dangerous territory, when I talk about what we also had female, bad female leaders. But, you know, we we do cherry pick, and we do tend to look at those stories in that particular from that particular perspective, I think what there is actually is, is, is a lack of recognition for what are good leadership qualities. In the broader society, I think what it is, is that we tend to be drawn to certain things like, like strength, these are these all human traits, by the way, it's just, it's just a weakness of the kind of creature that we are, we're no different in many ways from some of the other creatures in the in the animal world, who respond to the same sort of cues. And what we need to do as is as as human beings is to rise above that, because if you just went without our animal nature, then the force or the other of those forces that are strong, tend to be those, those things like, like, like, like brute strength, and stuff like that, as you grow up to be an adult. Were there by the way, is one of them. For Pollock, medical leaders. Yep, though, they tend to choose men who have hair. I know it's weird, but it's one of the things so, you know, buy metal plugs put in. I just want to add Sam's come in here. And, you know, like, we all are feminists, and feminism. Like when when women say they're not feminist, what they're doing is that they've, they've, it's like what Putin has done, he's divided, divided the world and divided opinions, he's divided families, right? There was a huge movement against the feminist movement. So when we say we're not feminists, we actually allow the people that wanted to destroy the feminist movement, when feminism is not about women being at the top. It's not about women dominating, it's not about any of that. It's about equal rights for all. And all of the problems that we face in the future, we need 5050. So if we want to look at leadership qualities, like you say, if Neoma human has to, if we want to look at qualities, I mean, if you shouldn't be able to get into politics, unless you write very high on the EQ scale, you shouldn't be able to get pulled into politics if your parents didn't love you. Like is how many how many broken leaders get in, and it's literally because then they need to be loved. You know, we saw it with Trump. We said we've seen it before, you know, but I think EQ should be one of the measures rather than IQ, which is pretty much the only measure. Although, you know, with George W. Bush and Trump, you could sort of question that, but yeah, you know, to me, it's just about, we've got to start pushing, and I think leaders should be younger, a lot younger, you know, maximum 60. And we need shorter terms, but we need 50 50% representation, because you can't get the full view. I don't care if it's a male or a female, but you'll never get the fuel up full understanding of any issue if you don't have all voices at the table, who come come at things from a different perspective. Yeah, I think that's a great idea if we if there could be an international law passing that, you know, every leadership will be shared by a man and a woman together that will be great. If the definition of feminism is along the lines of it is about equality, of course, absolutely. 100% we want equality that's the whole point, which is where I was coming from that I'm a humanist, I think both sexes matter equally. And yeah, so shorter terms, sorry. You know, what would be really interesting though is depending on if you win by a landslide, you get a longer term. And if it's really close, you get a shorter term. So you know, that we know, we know power corrupts, right. So limit that limit the time, you know, but we but but we end up will end up with a stock market philosophy, which we already kind of have in a lot of country, which is we just need to, to do enough stuff to get elected in the next time rather than focus on the long term things that are really required, which is where some of these countries that really end up with a one party dominating can get a lot of stuff done. You but the reliance is on them having good leaders? And if they don't, then you're in trouble. Yeah, so my idea from a few shows back, right, maybe we should we should make we should make public service much more consequential, right? Where if you run for it, that's great. And if you lose, okay, that's fine. But if you win, then you have to do the job well, or you die? You know, that's one of those things. Yeah, you have to you have to have tried really hard. And people have to agree that you tried really hard. I think there was a third one of my there's a difference. Yeah, there's an episode of the Oakville is that it's got some really good ideas. It's stupid show. But it's got some really good ideas. It's like Star Trek, Star Trek, written by the guy who wrote Family Guy. And, and there's this one planet that they get to where everything is done by social media polls. So they some trial at the executing people is all done. What do you think? And there's like, it's like, it's like Fox News going? What do you think of this person who did this is horrendous. Let's get him on the show. And then he comes on the show. So what do you do that for? Oh, I don't know about that. And you can see the votes against him getting executed going up. And then all these decisions were made based on if people liked you or not, and how you came across, and you had these people grooming you to present? Well, I mean, the same thing happens in politics, weirdly enough, now, but it hasn't quite got to the voting on everything. Although Joe, that the consequences of of Yeah, I'm not so sure. I would agree with you that not every everybody who leads should have the same structural package at the end that supports them so liberally as a result of you know, bad leadership and stuff, but then it's who's to judge on what what that is, is the tough part, because the opposition coming in with a stripping away of it all. And then like sort and then you'll be just flipping all the time. So or her? Yep. Well, I think, a market, right, it's a market of opinion. In the end, if we believe in democracy, then we have to go with that. And then if democracy might not be the actual answer, as well, I mean, you know, the council of elders is something which I am not, I think they should be something like that, in terms of how how management's put into place, sometimes, you know, a council of elders who have to go to, to six monthly mental assessments with a psychiatrist as well, you know, that it's a series of checks, but there is a lot of wisdom to having wisdom, you know, so I like the idea of younger people being in charge of being leaders. But you also need to temper that with older, older minds and older souls, because I agree to an extent, but I think, you know, the whole Boomer dominance in the voting has been a big part of where we are, you know, I've talked about this before, until 2028, Gen X won't have more power than their parents in the Invoke in voting. And so we've got, we've got to really count on the Gen Xers and the millennials to get out there and vote. And they're not because they're so disenfranchised by the whole system. But I actually think we're heading towards the great Renaissance. If we survive this time, and come through this time, it's, it's going to be another period where we actually rethink it all, you know, so democracy has become corrupted. Why? Why is it become so corrupted? You know, what's capitalism's part of it? The demographics are part of it. You know, there are so many aspects that are part of it. And I think we've just got to pull it all apart and work out. How do we put it back together so that the majority of people can flourish in balance with nature. And if we can do that, we have a hope of moving forward, right? And if we don't, well, we're gonna head towards more and more catastrophe. So the thing that I have a challenge with this is when we do something like that, and and look at things that way and assess things. What do we do when we stop and go like, Oh, we're the problem. We are the problem. Yeah, no, I know. So the thing is, like in terms of leadership as well, that's the thing right now. I mean, I don't know, we we can rely on leaders to step aside when they go like, Oh, okay. I'm the problem, right? I don't I don't think that's a, it and the thing is we, what I what I sometimes feel is that we have evolved a society is evolved to the point right now where we tolerate what is what what is intolerable, you know, it used to be, like a, like I said, you know, it used to be very simple, if you were not a tolerable person in the tribe would leave you either out to die, or if it was a more vibrant tribe, it would just say, Okay, enough, or you'd have, you know, somebody will take care of business, so to speak. And that used to be okay, but it's not anymore. Now we we allow, you know, things to happen. We always keep with our with it, we always keep with our kids and say like, you know, you know, trouble with us as parents is that we don't eat are young. Right, there's a thing where some animals they do that is like, you know, if this if this particular youngster is just too out of line, sorry, that's the end of that trip for you, you know, but we don't have that anymore. So we don't have that sense of like that, by any chance. We don't have to eat them. I'd like I'd like us to see, I'd like to see us really rethinking our societies, because a lot of what's wrong in our world is at the societal level, right. And we're not taking care of the most vulnerable, I hope you guys have watched something of trauma, the story of trauma, or whatever it is, it's an amazing, amazing show a documentary that's available. But I think if we could put at the center of our world, that children are brought up in environments where they feel loved and safe, that generation that comes from that will be completely transformational. But we also need to take care of the adults who are not feeling loved and safe. So we need to take care of the adult addicts, we need to create societies where there's a space where they can go where they can either recover or not. But we need we need to recognize the trauma in our societies. You know, in Australia, there was a report of the teenagers highest ever, consideration of suicide attempts at suicide and, and self harm from the last couple of years. So we've got a problem with our youth and eco anxiety is off the charts, right? So I think what we've got to do is we've got to, we've got to create more compassionate societies, and we've got to rebuild from there. And the societies that we've got, which is I'm doing all right, screw you, you know, that's creating the problem that we we need to overcome. So, you know, the selfishness the individualism, you know, that is very dominant in Western societies. It's just really apparent to me that, you know, we've we've built something and it's broken, how do we fix it? And get to work on that. So I have any I know, you're gonna have something to say you go. Yeah, no, I was. I think what Joe said that we are now in a society where we're tolerating right, bad people are bad ways of being but I think, yeah, we're basically tolerating bad decisions, bad ways of thinking. It's not people who are bad. It's just the way we think sometimes, isn't it? Our thinking is completely flawed. So I think I would relate to that. That is we are we are tolerating terrible thinking, and otherwise, that needs to be corrected. And so Andrea, earlier, you shared around, leaders should have a high, you know, IQ or EQ, essentially, I totally agree with that, that would help. We also shared that, you know, if somebody has not been loved, that they shouldn't be allowed to be a leader, I would disagree with that a little bit, what I would say is that if somebody hasn't had the love, when they were young, then they need to get the healing, they need to get the process and they need to get some therapy, they need to fix their brokenness, so that they can be more whole and complete, and they can be more loving people. Because you cannot give to others what you don't have within I get your point, right? You have to have love within and you have to have peace and sanity and togetherness within, then you can create that externally and give that to others. I totally agree. So I was I was being a bit facetious about Trump, right? But yeah, we need we need to, we need to work out how to heal people. And there's a lot of people in our societies that need to be healed. And if you need to be healed, you shouldn't you shouldn't have the opportunity to go into leadership, but it doesn't mean you couldn't go into leadership. But you've got to you got to do the work first. Yeah. Yeah. But um, profiling would be great. Yeah, exactly. Right, exactly. human impact. I don't know if you guys have seen the price of living is increased by 14% for Russians and I know a lot of people are not necessarily empathizing with the Russian community because they say it is Russia is at war with Ukraine. I don't I say this Putin, and he's very small, little trusted circle. There was a really interesting piece where somebody who's been rejected that circle was put into a video clip. And then it was a fake video clip because he wanted, he didn't want everyone to know that this guy had been kicked out. Anyway, so yeah, so the suffering for people, and there's a lot of people in Russia who remember that time. And so they feel like they're going back, you know, to the long queues lining up for sugar, or buckwheat. They're the two main things that everyone's talking about. The other thing is US has officially accused Russian forces of war crimes. And that's, that's a big, that's a big call. It's not, it's not a call easily made, if you've looked at past wars. So there's going to be some consequences that come out of that. But let's move on to the economy, because I'm sure you might have some points of view. But India is looking to buy the cheaper exports from Russia. And of course, a lot of people will think that that's a bad thing for India to do, but they've got to take care of their people. So cheap energy supplies is obviously important. So they're looking at a rupee ruble exchange. So this is all part of the global economy moving away from the US dollar. But there was another another article in Bloomberg Bloomberg, which is basically Z's changing tact. And the, you know, the China stock market. This Exodus basically, is meaning its meaning he's going to be turning things around and looking at things from a different perspective. Joe, did you have a good look at that one? Because I know you're closer to that. I mean, I think it's, it's always about what happens when you get pushed up against the wall, right? I mean, everybody can say, I don't need you. But if something as fundamental as as a capital market, is based on participation, and based on investment by a larger number of people, you fundamentally do need people to invest in that. So China, China was China was very much exposed, because despite the closed or how big how closed off, they are, in certain areas, financially, they were actually quite, quite open, because a lot of investment came from overseas into the Chinese market. And what happened in and around Ukraine was it made it a bad investment to stay invested in China? Because of the risk? It actually was the essentially the risk of it, it wasn't about the optics or whatever it is, but it's just bad financial risk, you know, do you want to have your money riding on something that could turn south pretty pretty quickly, especially if you're not aligned the right way. So that that's that's what basically happened. So the market went into a bit of a freefall. Usually what happens when when a market falls on its own, you know, and things are as business as usual, funds will come in and pick up bargains because it's a good time to pick up stuff that's really cheap. But China had made itself in a sense, an investable, so that that's what wasn't coming in. And it was affecting a lot of people it was affecting a lot of the Chinese population that is that is invested in the in the stock market. And that's how some some wealth is being developed as well and lost it to a great extent. I can't remember the number now but several hundreds of billion dollars, I think I can't recall the number by I know that, like Alibaba, for instance, lost a ton ton of value. And and that it wasn't going to be without consequence. And this is also about how it's working for for she because elections are coming up. And yeah, even even for him, and the Chinese people who obviously talk about, you know, how it doesn't matter and don't care about it. seem to care about it. You know, so that's, you know, I think it's not a good look as well, if things have gone to gone to have gone to crap, and the person in charge gets reelected. It's not a good look, even for the party. Right? Yeah, right. That's interesting. That just sort of feels like it's going back and forth in China, like last year with all the with that property group that was, you know, and then Jack, ma and Alibaba. And it's just, yeah, it just feels like it's kind of all over the place. So for some consistency be good. There was one article an energy embargo against Russia is unsustainable from Germany. And this is I'll put it in my weekend raids, but I want you to have a look at it. Because to me, it's a classic example of a headline that doesn't match the story. Because in the story, they're basically saying we're going to do everything we can to make sure that we were steadfast here because we need to be because the most important thing is stopping the war. Another really interesting pace was the titles, Asian gas buyers puzzle, a puzzle over Putin's demand for payment in rubles, rubles, sorry, and this is Japan and South Korea, who don't actually understand how it's going to work, because they they do all of their trade with Russia in US dollars to buy their energy. And now they're basically saying you got to do it in rubles, but they haven't got the financial system set up to do that. So that was a, that was kind of a quirky kind of little story. Did you? Did you ever read that one show? I didn't read it. But I know that, you know, the lots of things happening now in the back alleys RAM, not not back at least. But if you look at the world as it is right now. And you have a fundamentally, still valuable commodity baton that is needed by my various people, and its price is getting high on the open market. And you have someone who has the ability to supply that, right. It's just market factors that I played, it's got a it's got to be attractive to try and get hold of, you know, some some some Russian product, right? And will you do it? And how will you do it? Well, you if you're not allowed to use US dollars, and all up to us the usual banking system, then you have to try and figure out another way. And so there's a there's another guy who says I can get you a deal, you just have to do it this this other way. It gets to be worthwhile. I mean, if you look at the price of crude of fuel, just as it is, oil in general. It's it's imperative because again, we're too we're addicted to energy, we need it. And it's all its forms, even even even economies where they have diversified and have different ways of using energy, or getting energy. They still need fundamentally, oil, right? So here you have that valuable commodity, you have the impetus to try and figure out a deal. Now you got to figure out the other way. And the only other way now is okay, we can do it in these in this currency. We can do it in rubles, right? We can also do it in crypto. But, you know, it's that's that's a whole other thing. But it's another possibility as well, is it there's a there's a way in which transactions can happen which don't require the banking systems. That there there are ways and means around it. I was just listening to a podcast the other day about Iran, because you know, Iran has been on the receiving end of sanctions. All of this, these past few years ever since Trump, overturn the the nuclear deal they had, and then reintroduced sanctions. Iran has been getting around the sanctions by my financial means. I mean, what they've done is they've set up all kinds of different companies, I'll show you this, it's the usual the usual thing you see in movies, but basically setting up different ways to deal and so they can deal with you not as Iran, but as a company that is related to a company that is related to Iran, you know, so it's all it's all the deals that you know, whenever there's money to be made, or at least money to be extracted from the system, someone's going to figure out how, yeah, exactly. And everything I got your message. So don't worry, what we're going to do is we're going to move your theme section up, and but we'll just get through the rest of this Ukraine stuff, right. So first of all, information, more news, propaganda, blah, blah, lots of that going on, of course, there's a couple of pieces on on the on the journalists and the media that, uh, in Ukraine at the moment, because because it's in Europe, a lot of freelance journalists have sort of jumped, jumped in, and they run in the heart of it. So a guy called Timothy FADEC, who is 20 got 20 years experience on the frontline of war. He put together an article, which is advice to photographers in Ukraine, and it's basically like pretty, pretty grim. Another article 20 days in Mariupol, the team that document documented the city's agony, which is a news piece, and it's a very, very, very powerful piece. And it's also about the stories that they were getting out and how hard it was to even get the stories out in the first place, because the whole city was destroyed. But if they didn't get those stories out, the world wouldn't have known what was going on the hacktivists that are operating all over the world, Anonymous is in there. They seem to be doing their job. And just today, Russian regulator has blocked Google News. So another one that's basically out of the game. So just some big pieces that are going on in Ukraine at the moment. I recommend reading Western agents seek to get inside Putin's head. It's really really, really interesting read and if you're someone that likes to get into people's heads, you'll find a fascinating read because they use the story of him being bitten by a rat that he had that he had in a corner. And obviously the analogy is he's the he's now they're going to be potentially the rat in the corner. Another one, it's our home turf, the man on Ukraine's digital frontline, so the youngest member of Zelinsky Parliament's so I don't know if you notice they say they're doing this little feature stories on the people within the inner circle of Zelinsky. And their heroes, right. So last week, I shared one about the guy that was running the railway. This guy is running the digital frontline campaign. He's an extra entrepreneur X technology execs, exec, he's really young guy, and he's doing amazing work. And another one in the New York Times, how the how will the Ukraine war in so there's some there's some big reads. So what was the what was the conclusion in that? New York Times? One? thing? You always asked me to do that? If I didn't prepare that one? I'm just recommending that one. Oh, god. Yeah. So if I just recommending it, I haven't prepared for this, because I read it a while ago, and it's not front of me. Or you did say not discussing it. So I shall withdraw my respect. Yeah, I haven't got time to read them all again, on the day. But um, yeah. So one of the reasons we invited Evany here, not just because she's an amazing thinker. And as you can hear she, as you've heard so far, she's, she's, you know, we have great conversations, right? But how we think and make decisions. And of course, we're all wondering how Putin is thinking and making decisions right now. But this is your area of expertise at NI, and we'd love to just pass it over to you and help us help us understand. Yeah, thanks, Andrea. So yes, I've you know, I've developed a coaching system called the happy coaching system, you know, which, where how we think and how we make decisions is actually at the heart of it. So my theme, and my contribution for today is, you know, how do we not be pollutants? How do we identify the pollutants within us? And how do we not be POTUS? And how do we be happy. And so how we think and how we make decisions is, for me, one of the most important thing that the world should really focus on, because every single thing we do, every moment in our life, is a result of some decision that we made. And sometimes an indecision, right, a decision to be here decision for you to do this show. So everything in life and every moment in life is a result of decisions that we all make, or an indecision, like I said, and so the art and science of decision making is one of the most critical skills that I feel every child, man or woman, and especially people with power to influence should be actually taught at schools, colleges, universities. So I think one of the criteria for a good leader would be, you know, can they actually think straight? Can they make decisions that are in the best interest of the world, because they have the ability to impact everyone. So I think the issue is that our human thinking is flawed by its design. And evolutionarily, these flaws, help us survive, they did help us survive. But as we know, too much of anything isn't good, especially in the wrong place, and at the wrong time. And when I say flaws, I mean, things like our inability to basically see things for what they really are. We only see things what we want to write, we only see what we want to see, based on our filters, our biases, assumptions, our inner drivers, needs, insecurities. You know, and our inner brokenness or togetherness, you know, and especially our emotions. And so the impact of our emotions and our decision making is absolutely infinite. And all of our decision making is flawed as a result of it. And, and for most things in life, often it doesn't really matter. But there are times when it does matter. And it actually really matters a lot. When which we are now seeing a possibility of a potential unstoppable outcome, that no one, you know, not even Putin would want himself, you know, he would have not gone out there thinking I won't, you know, such a bad war that, you know, could escalate so much. But really allow it to happen. Yeah. Because he's not educated about the art of decision making. So yeah, that's what I really wanted to put on the table and share and discuss Well, what are your thoughts on this? So one of the things that sort of become pretty clear, not just about Putin, but about leadership is leaders who surround themselves with Yes, men. So, and that's one of the things that seems to be the case. You know, there's only a very small group of people around Putin, especially, you know, with this war, when the decision was made, people didn't know and not even the army generals knew Well, the military generals knew right. But even in business, it's the case, you know, you get these leaders and they're, they're they they're surrounded by sycophants, and, you know, you see these people, they'll kiss up and kick down. So I always describe it that the Office bullies. So how do we, how do we deal with that? You know, how do we, because that's a big problem, right? Not just in politics and in business and in societies, too, right? Yeah. It's actually a bias. Andrea, you know, you basically described a bias called the leadership bias. Now, if everyone went to school, and they educated and learned about the leadership bias, just they learned that there is a human flaw. And the human flaw is that we follow our leaders blindly. When a leader says jump, we say how Hi. And that is a human flaw, you know, why should we do something that is not in the best interest of everyone, just because one person says that we should do it. So it is flawed thinking and decision making, but we do it. So I think if if people are even at teenagers, they were taught all these things, then when they go into leadership positions, whether it may be organization or elsewhere in a political stage, they're going to recognize that that oh, yeah, I've learned this. And we've all learned this, and all of us know about this. And if we all know about this is common knowledge, it becomes who we are. And we are not going to make a bad decision just because somebody says that we should make a bad decision. And yes, we recognize that we should follow our leader and leadership is all about working together in a cohesive teamwork. But to what gain to what end? You know, how clear are we about our end purpose? You know, I think one of the issues that vary, and I think that's an issue with Putin, and this is where I'm saying that we all need to recognize a Putin within us because put in is an example, he is a metaphor for bad decision making. But we all have a put in within us, where we are not clear about our end game, our end purpose, I think there is so much lack of clarity about what is it that we really want? And if what we really want, is it long term or short term? And so I think if all of these things are educated to people that hey, become really clear about who you are, you know, are you an individual's? So just what you said earlier in the show, Andrea? Are you an individual? How do you relate to yourself? Who are you really? Are you an individual? Or are you a collective? Do you just think for yourself? Or do you think for the entire team? Do you think for your own selfish good? Or do you think for the greater good? Do you think short term? Or do you think long term? You know, do you think about what I'm going to possess by doing this action? Or do you think about the legacy you want to leave behind? You know, how do you really think? Right? And who are you really, so that relates to the in the happy coaching system that relates to the y part of the ecosystem? Which is, Who are you, you know, how do you relate to yourself? And what are your needs? And how clearly I really related to your inner needs? Is it about power possession? And persuasion? Or is it about security and stability? You know, so where's your vision? You know, how far are you really thinking? Yeah, I've got another one. Unless you guys. So one of the big issues that I see as well is the disconnect between leadership and everybody else. So people called it I've seen it referenced in publications like The Atlantic as like, the NBA mindset. So basically, right across Silicon Valley, and that's been my industry for a long time. There's these leaders like Zuckerberg, who completely disconnected from the reality of the majority of people on this earth, and they and to me, that's no different to a Putin being disconnected to the reality, you know, of the Russian people, of the Ukrainian people like that. There's a distance. So how to, I mean, when you talk about we've got to educate our kids to 100% agree. But I don't know how do we get that conversation happening more like, you know, when Bill Gates goes to Africa, and he's doing amazing work, but he can never really truly see what's going on, because he's always surrounded by people that are going to shield him from everything that's going on. So we can never see life. Like if you've ever listened to the podcast he did with this lady called Rasheeda. I could I always felt that a disconnect between reality noise I don't know someone's got some music. What does that make sense? What I'm asking. Yeah, yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know where that music came from. But it was nice and loud. Sorry. Yeah, so that disconnect, again, Andrea, a lot of these things, even a disconnect of that sort is coming down to a bias, which is basically let me just I have a list of all these biases he right here. It's essentially to do with one of the CBS competencies I've slipped my mind, but there is a scruffy bias that is that actually confirmation bias, which is essentially what is in front of you the data points that are in front of you to see all the time is what you believe in. You know, so we've got it, we're just minute Avenue, we've got a bit of a problem with a bit of a cracker with your microphone. So your your, your microphones just here? Yeah. Yep. Is this okay? Yeah, try and keep your hands away from it because it crackles Yeah, it's confirmation bias. That's all right. Yeah, I want us to hear what you got to say. Yeah, it's essentially around the whole idea that whatever data points you see in front of you, you will believe those data points. So for example, if we see in the news, a certain piece of news all the time, then we will relate to that news more than something else that's going on, that's equally prevalent, or equally important. So these people who are disconnected, essentially, they're disconnected, because they are not seeing the data, they're not seeing the dots, they're not seeing the reality for what it is they're shielded from that reality. Because, you know, everything in life is like, I think everything in life is like data points, like there are dots on a piece of paper. And people see what they see through their filters. Right, if there are infinite dots in a paper, all of us pick up on certain dots from that paper, based on our filters, and our filter could also be just the position that we hold. And if we're really shielded from a certain position, we're not going to see all the data points on a piece of paper, or the dots on a piece of paper. And if you only pick certain doors, let's just say that Tim picks up the dots that look like an elephant and he joins all the dots together and he creates an elephant. And Joe sees, I don't know, a rainbow. And Joe basically draws a rainbow out of it. And Andrea, you see a table, for example, you need to draw a table out of it. And I draw, I draw something else, I see a baby and I draw a baby out of it right? We all see different things given the same data points. But but if we surround ourselves with each other and have a conversation, we've worked out that we can see the elephant in the room, and the baby's room with unicorns and change table. Bill Gates might be surrounding himself with intelligent people, for example, whereas others may be surrounding that maybe, and others may be surrounding themselves with with people who are just saying yes, out of fear, or Yes, out of the consequence of what they could lose, which is what I think I think we have the ability to make good decisions. But I think sometimes we're presented in a scenario where where we have we, we are assessing the consequences to ourselves. So we could be in the workplace, and a boss is coming down saying you got to do this, and this and this. And we do it because ultimately, they hold control over our purse strings, you know, to a degree to a degree, and then that will come back to what our values that we're basing our decisions and our behaviors on. And I think we've seen a sustained disassembly of value structures in society to to go towards a do whatever you want society, and we're paying the consequences for that now. Yeah, by the way, this this joke when I worked about two minutes earlier, but here we go. Can you see the elephant in the room? Move back. All right. Oh, sorry. I love I really have to say I absolutely love what Tim just said because Tim, even though you're joking, you hit the nail on the head. It's just about all of us seeing each other's perspectives in life, right? That's it. If if we can make a decision in that way where we can see people's other people's perspectives, we can see something beyond what we think is right, because everyone holds on to their perspective as you know, gospel or the truth. Whereas, you know, there are an infinite number of truths if we can just sit in each other's spots and look at each other's truths. We debate we talk about it, and then make decisions you know, and that will be great. And this is why we need more women in leadership. Yeah, totally. Right Yeah, I know what it is. It's the different perspectives. It's like, you know, someone who's grown up in India, versus someone like me who grew up in Australia. But, you know, like, you know, the white man gets a big bagging these days. But the white female perspective is different to the white male perspective, right? So we've all got different perspectives and different backgrounds, and we came into different families and blah, blah, blah. And the this, the, you know, I'll have people sort of presenting arguments to me, and they're so this is the truth. And I'm like, well, it could be. It's one possibility, or, you know, when we were trying to make sense of why did Putin go to war? I reckon I found 50 reasons, from really, really respectable people that have thought a lot about this. And every single one of them had a point of view that was worth listening to. But none of them were 100%. Right? Because the only way I could find out the truth is to talk to Putin. And I don't think you're, I don't think you'll pick up the phone. So. Again, I'd love the chance to sit down talk to me get in Saudi said. So actually, I think there is a thing, right? Again, there is a nail on the head, right there is that if we look for reasons, there will always be reasons, right? So if people are looking for justification for doing something, there will always be a justification for doing things no matter what, right? If anyone does something, right, that person has a reason to do it. Right. And other people may not agree, but they have a damn good reason to do it. Now, so there will always be a reason. Now, the bottom line is, how do you take that perspective, those reasons? And let's just say all the reasons are just perspectives, and how do you balance perspectives with your purpose? Right, what is the end game? So I just think that what the world is really missing, and what we are sometimes really missing is, you know, the long term end game. But what is the long term end game? What is put in one or leave behind? Does he want to leave behind, you know, millions of families with broken children and broken hearts and broken families? What does he want to leave behind a better legacy? Where there is peace in the world? Like what is his long term goal? Right? Even if he gets what he wants, which is Ukraine, he gets what he wants, at what cost? I think he wants I don't think he wants Ukraine. I don't think that that's his goal. That that's that's not he's not he's not looking to take the whole country. He might want to take bits of it. But yeah, I don't know what he wants. Yeah, whatever he wants, Andrea, the funny and the crazy. And the ridiculous part of this is that he's going to die soon, right? The funny and the crazy thing is that this man who's doing all this stuff, to impact so many people to get something he wants, right? He's anyway gonna die and leave it all behind anyway for dust. Right? So it's just such insanity that we work so hard to get something and we're gonna leave it all behind anyway, so be careful what you wish for and be careful what you go for. Right? Yeah. Tim's obviously cracking a bad joke. I can tell by the look on his face. Yeah, that's all my appointment. Nothing is worthwhile anymore. Just anyway. Yeah. I think what's getting me this week is I ended up singing out loud. Tim McGraw is live like you were dying several times. I don't know that you've heard the song. Don't say, Oh, it's a country of feelings. But it's it's a story that starts off basically this way. It's about a guy who looks at his X rays. And he's found the news that he's basically got, you know, something wrong with a medically cancer or something like that. And he's telling this guy next to him and the guy goes like, I think you just got to sing it Get ready 321 The whole is a whole plot and country music doesn't all sound that way. Tim He ha yo basically this guy he's got all this stuff the bad news he got the bad X rays all the bad news. So the guy goes so what did you do? And it goes like well I went skydiving I went shadow camera that I can't remember the words right now. Yeah. But basically it's about doing all the things you would do if you knew you were gonna die and the different things that you would do so for different people it's different things right so I don't know if our right horse with sharp off invade Ukraine. Whatever. Yeah. No, I think that's what it is. Right. As you get older, you don't only have a bucket list, you have a effet list. Right you and I think what what you created what what Putin is doing right now is that is he's at that phase. Well, I think he's running out of time. I think he knows running out of time. And he wants to get some stuff done. And he's tried to get it done a different way before and right now he's just entered that stage. And I think we owe this or the stage, but I'm trying to, I'm trying to make sure that guns are legal by that time so that my wife can shoot me when I get to get off my lawn stage. Right. I want to want to be I want to be I want to be removed when I when I get to be that cantankerous when I don't, but when I when I've got no more F's to give. I think that's a very dangerous stage. And I think maybe that's what might be happening, right. I mean, who knows? You might we might find out all this because he had a really bad medical report. And he's got stories. Yeah. And that's one of the stories. I mean, yeah. You know, he's got right now he's opened up an envelope. I mean, like, I have news, apparently you are putting didn't get it? No, they won't get it. Or whatever. Let me rephrase it for a button audience. Ah, what's the problem? Well, it says here your Hitler. Yeah, yeah, no, we get it. Yeah. I think that's funny. Yeah. I mean, he was mad. He was mad. He had he had syphilis, right. And they did, they went over to pure syphilis back then. And syphilis was one of the ones that actually literally sent you mad. So but you know, we've got precedents all through history, you know, the bit, you know, the, the Roman emperor, sort of, you know, I love I love my history. But you know, Julius Caesar, like, think about what he did. I mean, he just completely, you know, he completely changed the whole, you know, he brought the Emperor into the fold, you know, that. So, when you're talking about legacy, and, you know, there is precedents of that, but I don't know, we're about 100 years now out of that world, and it's like, why is he trying to bring us back into that, you know, that, that way of being and you know, and, and he's people are suffering so much for that. That's what I'm like, you know, it Yeah, I just, it just feels like such an incredibly backward step, what's going on? It's mind blowing. Yeah. And if people are really suffering, even on ground level, we hear about all these sanctions, etc. But I just had a real life experience of it recently, where I was trying to do a very small business with a Russian company who play chess who teach chess and I was trying to pay them to teach my children chess, and I liked them. I did trial classes with them, love them beautiful teachers. When it comes to paying, I couldn't pay them, you know, and I tried paying them multiple ways, and everything was just frozen out. And I feel so bad, because they're really nice people. I met them online so many times, really, really sweet people, and they cannot get paid. So yeah, so I mean, it's real, right? And that's a firsthand experience. Ma Ma, thank you. Thank you for offering us that conversation. I know that you got to jump off in about 15 minutes. So just make sure you say goodbye. That was. It's really important to me, my biggest takeaway is, we got to get some self awareness in society. Yeah, I know, people are really they're not self aware. And we come across it every single day of our lives, right? The work, we've got to do the work within, you know, we couldn't understand ourselves, and like you were saying and our motivations, but I'm just going to put make sure you gonna check out Ave she's awesome. I love her. She's a beautiful person. Don't check her out. But let's, let's move on. So COVID We are now apparently on the fourth. Entering the fourth wave of COVID. It's taking off in Europe. And based on the shores of the US, they are expecting the next big one. To kick off the severity is unknown. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I tried to think of ways to say there's no other way of saying it, right. But yeah, so um, yeah, we'll keep an eye out. Because of course, you know, 60s 62% of the American population have vaccinated 20% of have had COVID. So that percentage would increase the figures. But they're expecting a force five to sort of start consuming the country soon, but they don't know if it's going to be a national thing, or if it's going to be more local. So we'll keep an eye on the good news for the three of you in sitting in Singapore. You can go outside, you can take your mouse off, you can go out for dinner with 10 people. Yeah, and, and I think that's really cool. And I'm going to be in Singapore from the sixth of April for a week. So looking for timing out really well. Yeah, it's my birthday. Thank you. Let me see. Yeah, definitely. You know, it's like New Year's Eve now because everybody's got a dinner party with 10 people coming over and we're all waiting to choose which one might be the best. Haha I yeah, I you know what it's that was the thing that was coming from Australia coming back and having to put it back on was like, I'm okay with it but but it felt and it feels natural having it on now. But it just it felt nice to not have to wear it and just see people's faces again, full faces again. So it's a partial lifting because it's outdoors only indoors, you still have to wear them. But it's, it's still a step in the in the right direction, which is good. And then a lot of the establishments with limitations, they can start open up again and have more people dining, which is gonna make a big difference to food and beverage and, and a lot of those micro businesses that that are surrounding them, because people go to these locations to eat, and then those businesses around them get business. So it's the ecosystem of small business I think is going to do well. And that was one of the things that the Prime Minister mentioned that you know, when it's hurt the the measures of hurt some of the businesses and it's time to help them out, which is good. Yeah, nice. Well, in Thailand, they're saying they're gonna make it endemic from July. And basically the measure is when COVID deaths 0.1%, it can become endemic. And so basically from July, no masks, no mandates, nothing everyone can come in, and if things are just going to return to normal. So July feels like a long way away. So it feels like you guys are sort of progressing. But then we look at this potential fourth wave. And, you know, still, I think it was 44% of the world's population still haven't received any vaccinations, which always leaves the doors open for mutations, which was better than I thought it was going to be. So you know, we're still not at the end of it. And there were a couple more reports on we've talked about long COVID. And this is one of those topics that we know, we're not going to know the answer to this for some time. But Oxford study asked, Can COVID-19 Make your brain shrink? And basically, yes, even if you've got a mild form, they should show less gray matter. But the other one is evidence grows, vaccines lower the risk of getting long COVID. So those studies are starting to come out. And obviously when the mutations and variants come sometimes that that has an impact on on that because things things change. But yeah, we also you guys are noticing, I'm gonna say the weird thing about that is, if you're, if your mental capacity is compromised in some way, because of long COVID, then, weirdly enough, the guy wearing the t shirt of get infected not injected is it would have that compromise. And all the people watching the news channels that are giving them a single message that is confrontational, divisive and problematic. And our call for an increase in self awareness, particularly in those in parents, particularly for parents and leaders have an influence of people around them, which is pretty much everybody is an influencer of the people around them. But the adults influencing in the parents in the teachers influencing the kids have a huge responsibility for changing the game in generations. But, but if the gray matter if our brains are shrinking, then we're going to we're going to feel the ramifications of an exacerbated divisive argumentative community as a as a possibility. Which would be if the depending on what the impact is, yes, we need more self awareness and it's gonna impact our brain depending on how it impacts our brain, of course. That's the basic assumption is that your brain shrinks add. What was that? Again? I said the basis the base assumption is your brain shrinks? It's bad, although I haven't met a very bad dog for a long time. So I think we don't know exactly what the result of a shrunken brain might be. You might get a more peaceful society. Well, Bruner I mean, there was lots of lots of shrunken heads Sorry. Yeah. Our our brain is like a river not a rock, right? It's constantly changing anyway, so it's always growing. So even if it shrinks, it can recoup so it's a more nuts and you know, our brain really does grow all the time and it does change all the time. So it's okay it's okay if COVID affects our brain it will be bounced Yes, this whole new for many other reasons, talking about sort of lesion type scenarios on the brain which are similar to one of the brain diseases that have a lesion based so it is going have a big impact and they don't understand what it's going to look like. And it's obviously not my area of expertise, but I don't think it's a case of the brains will recover. I think there is some pretty serious neurological damage. Yeah, potentially coming. So Legionnaires disease, no? Okay, so, yes, no, I'm working it. Okay. You to Not Amy Schumer form today? Any moment now we're gonna see me physically take out a ripcord and pull and go and go. Yeah, I do need to go, you know. So thank you so much, Andrea, Tim. And Joe. It's been lovely, lovely hanging out with you. Thanks for having me. But yeah, I think the message is, you know, we just need to work on our awareness, right awareness, and then adaptation, and then application awareness of you know, who we are, you know, our long term purpose, and how we think, yeah. So thank you. Yes. You have a fabulous weekend, you and everyone. Take care. Bye. Bye. Take care. Bye. Bye. Thanks. That's yeah. All right. So let's get on to some happy news. We're going to talk about the environment and society, you're ready. Okay, I'm prepared to hear happy news about the environment. I'm happy. Now there's none. Okay, so the big, the big news is going to happen at the end. But let's start with this one. So climate change, wildfire smoke link to Arctic melting. So keep an eye out for this article. It's a very, very, very interesting article. So there is a, I think our black carbon, which comes from fossil fuels, so it's the salty stuff that comes out of your car cooking. So this gets picked up, it goes up to the Arctic, and it makes the ice black, and therefore the ice melts, right. So it's not a good thing. They know all about it. They know, you know how bad it is they've known for a long time. There is another one, which is called Brown. And this is from wildfires. So basically, what's happened in the last few years with all these raging fires in right up north in Australia, Portugal severe in the US, we've seen them all, what they're doing is they're dumping all of these black, brown carbon into the Arctic, which is increasing the melt that we're experiencing. And originally, they thought it was only contributing to 3% of the global warming. But and I think these figures are really confusing, basically, now that they're actually really starting to really research it, they're saying the effect of brown carbon aerosols over the Arctic is up to about 30% of that of black carbon. And they're saying it's contributing twice as much to the warming effect of brown carving in the ice in the Arctic, then was coming from fossil fuels. So up to 30%, of black carbon, twice as much from Brown carbon, so I wasn't really sure what they were saying. But basically, brown carbon is not good. The more fires we have, the more it dumps in the Arctic, the more the Arctic melts, the less say us we have the less reflection back of the Sun back into the universe. And that's what's called, that's what's called a feedback loop. So very, it's a really, really concerning story. And like, you know, in Australia, for example, so they're not investing in the infrastructure to fight fires, but they are spending on nuclear submarines. So I would suggest that it might be a good idea to sort of refocus the, the budget to getting the fires under control. Because anytime those fires rage the way and like Texas has got like 130 fires going off at the moment, which feels so early in the season for me. But every time those fires burning, they're contributing to this feedback loop. So we've got to listen to the indigenous communities in our societies and work out how to get these fires under control. Because it's yeah, it's not good. Because I, I take heart that the the world's solutions might be in the form of turning ourselves into a big disco ball, because a lot of it's about reflecting the sunlight, rather than the radiation backup, right? So yeah, how about that? Let's go, let's go 70s We're gonna be alive. Yeah, in the IPCC report, they're talking about painting roofs, white and sort of light gray. So that's, you know, that's one of those momentums that we could start. I think Denise was saying, if you put what do you call the solar panels on roofs? That will reflect it back, but it doesn't the solar panel gets absorbed into it, doesn't it? Do you guys know how that technology works? And I suppose listening to this, I don't know exactly how that that would work. But I think there is a certain amount of energy that can be reflected back as well. So not not all the energy can be harnessed For for electricity anyway, there are different kinds of solar panels that even those that harness the cold energy, which is a really bizarre idea. But yeah, I mean, reflecting it back up is the big thing. Actually the problem, the problem I and I was being facetious as well, the problem really is that it comes down below our cloud cover, and then it gets it gets, it gets exhausted, what we really want to do is to reflect it back before it gets down to the to the earth. That's, that's the ideal thing. So we should have cloud cover. And that will give us that. Yeah, so that's, that's, that's just me being silly and stupid, you know, reading something, I haven't had a chance to dig into it. But there's more moisture in the upper atmosphere than they've ever been. But, yeah, so this idea about I was talking to Steve about it, like, painting roofs white right. So you go to Greece, it's all painted white right? Now, what we what we need to focus on painting our roofs white in the areas of the world, like, say up in the north, in the, you know, in the northern climates, right? So to reflect the iceberg to start to reflect the sun? Would would that help with the ice melt? But if we did it all over the world, would that be a good thing to? Or would that sort of, because there's so many of these ideas that we talk about, but how, how do we do it in a way that doesn't mess with the the balance of nature? Right, my guess is to get a movement to get everyone to paint their things white? I mean, I think it seems to be it seems to it seems to not be addressing the real problem. No, no, no, but these are we we're not, we need to do all of these things. Right. I'm just thinking that that article. I mean, it's it's it's a strange title, it really, for me it to be the other way around, but should be Arctic melting linked to wildfire smoke, rather than wildfire smoke link to Arctic melting, I was like I had the melting have any impact on wildfire smoke, but it's the other way around. So the, for this particular one, it it's what's scary about this, to me is that climate change was, was you know, the Arctic, the ice is melting, it's gonna cause sea levels to do this. But what's not, but as the temperatures get more extreme, so sort of climate extremities, and we're getting these fires a lot more prevalent. And early, like you said, in particular seasons, so there's gonna be a lot more of them. And then that's exacerbating the ice melt as well. We're now starting to see the ecological synergies not right word, but the the CO ramifications. They've come ramifications, I guess. So when one is now impacting the other, which is impacting, it's sick in this cycle and fighting to get impacted in a significant way, where it speeds up all the projections, because most of the projections were ice is melting at this rate. So we can project it'll be gone by then. But actually, we didn't factor in the fact that the wildfire smoke is going to speed it up. So at some point, they're gonna go, you know, this, everything could be a lot sooner. And yeah, you know, and then I think I think this is, I think this is Janae spill, but we can't say the name. But while the black surfaces of solar panels absorb most of the sunlight that reaches them, and then a fraction around 15% of that incoming energy gets converted to electricity, the rest is returned to the environment as heat. So there you go. A little bit of education. Yeah, so that I mean, that's a big one. And it's not the biggest one, right. But some some news, the SEC unveils proposed climate disclosure rules, which is going to be an important thing if it gets through. The climate activists in France and around the world are now using signs from don't look up. So the guy that wrote that movie, he's pretty feeling pretty happy with himself. Swiss Re which is an insurance giant, basically a saying they are going to restrict cover for new oil and gas projects. And the World Health Organization said that no country on the earth currently meets air quality standards. Now that in itself is should be a major global story. But to me, it's a it's a small story in the big one. And Australia's carbon credit scheme is basically largely a scam a sham, and there's a whistleblower that's talking about it. Last week, I mentioned UNESCO heading off to the Great Barrier Reef to do a study of what's going on. And the headline is, it's not supposed to be white, one of the great one of the Great Barrier reefs, healthiest reefs, succumbs to bleaching. And this breaks my heart but basically what they're saying it's widespread widespread bleaching during the cooler temperatures of El Nino, or La Nina has led scientists dreading the damage that could be caused by The next El Nino. So this is this is a really big heartbreaking story because when the reef goes the just the ramifications from that, you know, just life in the ocean. So that I found that really sad and as Australian obviously I find it sad. So if you're in Australia and you have an opportunity go diving go snorkeling on the Great Barrier Reef because maybe it won't be with us for too much longer. It's amazing. Yeah. But the big story this week, which happened just after our last session, last week, was hot poles, Antarctica, Arctic, 14 and 30 degrees Celsius above normal. So it's happened at the same time. At this time of year, Antarctica is heading towards its cooling period, because it's just past the summer, which is why the scientists will be studying the doomsday glacier usually leave around about this time. And the Arctic is typically slowly emerging from its winter, as the days start to lengthen, lengthen. So this heating is unprecedented. Here, there's a word again. So just a couple of things from this news story because it's so big and it's probably the thing that contributed to the way I've been feeling the most this week, not just not the war. They basically the scientists are saying this unprecedented event could signal faster and abrupt climate breakdown. And I know that's hard for people to hear. I know people really struggle with that. But this is where we are. It could disrupt Earth's all of our climate systems. The danger is considered to fold heat waves at the poles are a song a strong signal of the damage humanity is wreaking on the climate and the melting could also trigger further cascading changes that will accelerate climate breakdown. George Monbiot Oh, have you say he's named The Guardian journalist? I never. I always say Moneyball, but it's not it's Monbiot. Anyway, I thought he summed it up beautifully this week, when he said, it would be unbelievable. If it were not true. And it is terrifying beyond words. The war we have waged against the natural world has in climactic terms, just gone nuclear. And one more story, microbial microplastics have been found in human blood, for the first time, they travel around the blood, they travel into our organs, and they have no idea how that is going to impact us. So basically, we're in a pretty bad spot. So not good use. It's never really good news on the climate. But time to act, guys in a really, really, really big way. Oh, yeah, and the last thing we need is a war. So Zelinsky is call for protest. To me. It's not it's not a it's to me. It's not a protest against that war. It's against war. It's against the war machine. It's against the fossil fuel industry. It's against all of these industries that are holding on to for what? You know, the the global economy. Yes. It's gonna be hard. And we did have to get ready. Did you see Schwarzenegger's read that last couple of weeks? Yep. Yeah, yeah. Well, that was that was brave and powerful. And, and really interesting, and in some, somebody else was, was Bill Barr, I think was writing, you know, if everyone just stopped, said, now, we're not going to do it, you know, it would let the people who who are having temper to a what he called it, let these people in power, having temper tantrums with each other, go and figure it out some other way rather than sending everybody to death. And, you know, because we do have bigger global issues that require bigger levels of leadership. We need bigger leaders, not tall and with hair, but But bigger in, in their care and concern for for the global population, and not just their little neck of the woods, and those that are able to play on a global scale and play together to be able to handle the problems of our time in a more mature and responsible way. Because it's, it's, we feel insignificant and powerless to do anything about it, but as a group, we are quite big. I had an epiphany last year, you know, especially after cop 26. And just seeing the outpouring of grief from the scientists and the journalists have been covering me she for decades, right? And I had an epiphany last year like the leaders of the world will never be capable of fighting the fight they need to fight. And so we're all convinced that that's the fight that we need to fight because I was reading an article that if we want to really face up to climate change, right, we should only be on, I think it was a short, a short haul flight once every three years and a long haul flight once every eight years now. So for people like us who live in different countries to our home country, that's that's not a possibility, right? We should only buy three new clothes a year. You know, that's the sort of, we've got to bring it down until we accept. And so I think we have to accept our role in it. And change our behaviors on a major major scale, especially the top 10% in the world, and we're all part of the top 10%. And it's a big thing, it's a big change. But when we do that, when we understand our individual contribution, we then vote for leaders, and we support them, because it's going to hurt, you know, it's going to be more expensive to buy a TV, because we're not going to manufacture TVs, that the right we're doing that we're going to build make higher quality things that lasts longer, and they're going to cost more, you know, as a shift, it's in our society. So the crap the single use stuff it needs to go. And that's going to impact whole industries, you know, so we have to accept our part in it. And then that's kind of one of my missions is yeah, you know, getting that message out there. That's, you know, I'm focusing on us, you know, our role, because until we accept it, the leaders can't do their job. And I think that's, that's the impasse. Well, I'm just, sorry, joke, just before you do that, I, I need to jump off because I'm about to go and host a big one event. But I think you're totally right, I think we need to make these big changes. The cool thing about organizations that we can support that are doing the right thing are, are with with groups like I mean, we need to do something ourselves, we need to make a decision that becomes part of our business part of our lives and part of our organizations. Sorry, God, interrupt, but it's because I need to go to do this kids. Starting in four minute minutes. I better go, I am going to put the link in because anyone who wants to join, you're more than welcome to join. It's a it's a virtual study tour. And our focus is on education. And we're looking at three particular organizations that are coming and sharing. One of them is chameleon Association. One of them is Sabre education. Another one is child aid to Eastern Europe, where Ukraine is really going to feature in some of the stuff that they're going to talk about too. So it's, but they're really rewarding ones where you get connected with the the organizations that are on the ground and doing the giving. And you're able to connect and see what they're doing when your money goes there. And you make impacts to change things for good, which is great. Yeah. Amazing. All right. You have your bike. Yeah. All right. Well, we can meeting I'll show for that show. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, we can wrap it up. Anything keeping you distracted at the moment? I'm just doing my trading trading trading trading. i What's keeping you up at night? It's keeping me up way too late. I I've been sleeping at five or six in the morning, much to my wife's chagrin. But yeah, it's one of those things, but I'm trying to find a better balance with that. But yeah, it's it's one of those things, it's just, I've got to I've got to figure a way how to not be behave all consuming so much of it. I'm basically what it is, is I'm assuming the market and the markets consuming me in return. Yeah, sort of feels like what I'm dealing with, is consuming knowledge of the moments that are going on in the world. Right, it consumes you some time. So you know, one of the things that I've been trying to deal with, and I think we're trying to figure out how to make it work from from for groups in general, I think part of the problem that we have, besides not taking things seriously enough, is we take things too seriously. Right? I think that's that that's kind of balanced, we had to figure out there's some things that are really important. And yes, they constantly are going to be important. But at the same time, we also need to go okay, and and I can't do that much about it right now. So it's no, there is not much of a point in this moment for me to be to be so drawn into it. And it's a hard balance, because at some level, you're going like, this is really important. Yes, but I need to sleep. Right? Yeah. And there is a balance, we do have to figure out this thing about ourselves versus the big picture. We can get consumed by the big problems of the world and not look after ourselves and then we can't do the thing that we need to do in the world to make it better. The story that I was gonna gonna share actually is about how you know, I think the environment has to become like this, this this this particular idea in Germany, in Germany. Apparently this is a hearsay a story that someone told me about in Germany if you try to cross the road When it's not the green light for pedestrians across, other Germans will will stop you. Right? And they won't stop you because it's the law. They'll stop you because the kids are watching. Right? And I thought, I thought that's an interesting idea. Because what we need to do is figure out how certain things become the thing you don't want to do you need, you need to make things unfashionable, you need to make things wrong, so that people know other people are watching. Now, one of the ideas that I that I, that I that I had, when I was trying to help people stop smoking, and Singapore, was a campaign that basically said, you know, when when when you see someone smoking, they just point at you and go, Oh, hey, stupid, you know, it's a it's a, it's an idea that basically, it's about recognizing bad behavior or recognize not that smoking is a terrible behavior, but I'm trying to, you know, try to make the right thing happen. So something that as you as you're benevolently manipulating, figure out different ways to make that happen. I just thought, you know, the how the answer really comes to this? How do I make it awkward for me to do the things that I do, because my kids are watching? Yeah. I like the idea of behaviors when kids are watching because there's a lot of adult behavior in the world right now, that is not a great example to our kids and sort of guaranteeing that they're going to grow up to be a massive turns, right, if we follow the behaviors of what we're seeing around the world right now, but that Exactly, yeah. So yeah, well, we'll wrap it up. So last night was my last chance of watching TV without having to factor my husband in. So he's landed back in Phuket. And I'm looking forward to seeing him after nearly three weeks away, and it was touch and go if you could even get on the plane. Like it's really, really hard to travel right now. But so but this week, I've decided to watch this show, which was called I'm not ashamed to watch these sort of shows, but it's called Sweet magnolias. And it's about these southern three, Southern besties. And it's really, really sweet and very, very Christian. But it's very, it's all diversity. And everyone's just really nice to each other. There's a couple of beachy people in the mix. But yeah, it's really helped me cope this weekend sort of just escape this the seriousness of the world. So I suppose you know, that's my little strategy. The other thing I do is I watch Graham Norton. thing, like if I need to escape, so find your escape. I think we all need to escape. That yeah, that's me distracted? Well, I've been I've been trying for me, I've been trying to do to do a little parenting, which is something that I haven't been doing a lot of I what I'm guilty of doing is trying to come up with big policies, and then not getting involved in the nitty gritties, right. And I've been trying to help one by one of my kids feel better about what they do, right. So I've kind of given them some advice and push them in the direction of trying to help them design for success in their life design so that they can be set up to succeed. And I also have tried to help them look at success in a different way as well, because I think we are we're frequently just overwhelmed by the big task that's at hand, there's so many things to do. That we end up being depressed that we don't, we don't do enough of it, we sit we sit down, and we wanted to do this whole thing. And only we didn't do much at all. And I have been trying to think about how to get her to look at things and go. I'm succeeding in different ways that the fact that I made a plan is a success, the plan that the fact that I did one of the 10 things that I wanted to do is access and, you know, bit by bit to do things strategically. And I I just realized that from a mental health perspective, I think I've always taken it for granted. Because I've been very, I've always been resilient in that respect. But yeah, it's something that we really have to be much more aware of and strategic about. I owe it to my, my eldest daughter actually who's, you know, someone who's, who's, who's taken control of her of her life in that way, and, you know, is doing so many things, right. And being an inspiring inspiration to me in terms of what I should do as well. So now, this idea of mental health I've, I've it's not just a fashionable thing to talk about, because kids with kids do talk about mental health nowadays, and that's a great thing. But I think they're not enough people who know what to do. You know, so they they'll, they'll say something, you know, like, you're looking after your mental health. Yeah. And they actually don't know what what they're talking about. And I think most people means most Yeah. So it's a it's a, it's a set of skills that I think has to be put out in the world. One of it is self management is critical, you know, thinking, self awareness is down and have an argument. Yes. Yeah. So talking about mental health next week, we're gonna have Dr. Jensen from the line Academy come on specifically to talk about mental health because I've identified it is such a big issue for so many people right now. And like you say, not everyone is equipped to deal with it. So yeah, so that's going to happen next week. So that'll be a really interesting conversation. All right. We will switch off. Thanks for joining us. Thanks, Joe. And see you next week.