Uncommon Courage

The Know Show – theme: skilling and employing people with disabilities

February 18, 2022 Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade, Joe Augustin, Pravin Shekar Episode 45
Uncommon Courage
The Know Show – theme: skilling and employing people with disabilities
Show Notes Transcript

Welcome to The Know Show. This week we are thrilled to welcome Pravin Shekar, the outlier marketer, who is all about sharing unconventional methods to grow your business! But we’re not going to be talking about that, and instead, our theme is a topic very close to Pravin’s heart and something he has been working on for a while - skilling and employing people with disabilities.

And what an awesome topic, especially in the week and season of love. We’re excited to share some stories of love, inclusivity and how differently abled solopreneurs are doing across the world.

The Know Show is a Livestream held every Friday, where Andrea T Edwards, Tim Wade and Joe Augustin review the news that’s getting everyone’s attention, as well as perhaps what requires our attention. We’ll talk about what it means to us, the world and we hope to inspire great conversations on the news that matters to all of us. 

The Know Show is based on Andrea T Edwards Weekend Reads, which are published every Saturday on andreatedwards.com, and covers the climate crisis, Covid 19, topical moments in the world, global politics, business, social issues and passion/humor/history. Join us. 

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All right, welcome to the no show. My name is Andrea Edwards. My name is Joe Augustine, and currently missing on the screen is Tim Wade. And we want to welcome you to a show that tries to encourage people to think, and not just to push you along that way. We tried to arm you with some information as well, that can help the process. So hopefully that's having some sort of result with you. And if you'd like to share this with your friends, please do that now. Like, subscribe, tell your friends, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, sure. And last week, we had some really great conversation going on on Facebook, which wasn't appearing on our screen in the comments through stream yard. So I'm going to try and track it on my phone. But it's hard to do this and that at the same time. So hopefully, if you can sign into stream yard, we'll be able to see your comments as they come through live. But you have to log in so we can know actually who you are commenting. So that was something that was going on last week. So we love the comments, even if we see them after the fact in fact, we just got their first comment. Who is it? Yo and I don't know who it is because it just says Facebook user of anyway yo back. So on the show, what we'd like to do is also invite a guest to join us someone to make things a little spicy, I guess it just the three of us. Were a mild curry. But I think today we're going to take ourselves to the upper limit of things. Our guest today is a marketer, a creative thinker. And if you ever need one, a James Bond villain one of our favorites, he's got a fantastic laugh. Would you please welcome Pravin Chica to the mix? Ah, love you guys. Love you guys. Thank you for having me. Oh, it's so so happy to have you, especially the theme that we're going to be doing skilling in employing people with disabilities. I'm really excited to talk about that, because I know you're doing some awesome work. So I know the introduction that I gave to you wasn't a complete one, because you've done a lot more as well, all those books behind you. Some of them are yours. Yes, they are. Yeah, I do a bunch of things. At my heart. My purpose is to inspire creators. And I do that through talks, books and investing in companies. I call myself a parallel entrepreneur. Because at this point, I've got three companies running and by design, and I'll have five running with me participating in one way or the other. I am a professional speaker speaking on outlier UNCONVENTIONAL marketing. And come April, I will be speaking at South Africa annual convention that will be my 28th country that I'll be speaking in. So that's what I do. And I live in India, in Chennai, by the beach with my wife and two girls. And my wife and I are partners in life as well as in business. So I'm kept in check everywhere. And she's my constant supporter. And that's who I am. My job. My purpose is to inspire creators, using whatever I have, I can get my hands on, including the no show. And I'm hoping that amongst the businesses you have invested in one of them is a bar called a handlebar. No, but one of my books coming out later this year or next year is going to be no starch maintenance and the art of marketing. It's obviously a take on the Zen book, but hey, why not? Yeah, I love it. One of the things that I love about what you do besides your your, your your personality and your and your your sparkling nature, is actually what you've done with your kid. You know, in terms of modeling, you know, it says what she's done as well, because she as young as she is, how old is she right now? My younger one is 15 right now. And she's coming out with our fifth book. Yes, in the family, because my elder one also came out with one last year where she shared her design. But then hey, I do not believe in the regular school system. What can they learn outside? What can they do? Where is their passion? What do they want to do? Because I firmly believe and I keep telling that what you study in college is completely different from what you're going to do in real life. Yeah, so happened for 234 percent, it may be the same, but for the rest, it's going to be different. And passion at this age changes job. So our job is just to to nudge in support. It's a view that's often shared but not often lived out. And I want to commend you for for for doing that. So the format of the show is one way we try to talk a little bit about the news that's going on as well as talk to our guests about the theme today. So lots of lots of ground to cover today because we base this off of Andrea's collection of reads for the weekend. And it's a particularly long lists this weekend. Yes, it is it is. There's a lot going on in the world at the moment. And it was we saw it last week. And this week as well, it's hard to pick, you know, I try to be representative of all over the world, but also media sources from, you know, I don't want to just be one sort of approach, you know, left is my obviously inclination. But I want to, I want to give the whole sort of view. So it's hard. And you know, there's always ones we never mentioned, because I put too many in, but should we get stuck in? Yeah, let's get on it. Alright, so I thought we could start with something a little bit light hearted, I like to do that, as you guys know. And we're going to start in New Zealand. So there's hundreds of protests outside of New Zealand part of Parliament, and their strategy has been to play Barry Manolos music on a 15 minute loop, as well as the Spanish tune, the Macarena. Now, I don't know about you, but the Macarena would be enough to get me out of that place. When that didn't work, they've now introduced James Blunt, and Baby shark. Yeah, so this is also stopped the mandate, the mandate protesters and just remember with these, they're inspired by the Canadian protesters. And I'm not going to talk about that now. But it looks like to lead the leaders of that protests of being arrested in Canada at the moment. But, you know, we have the right to protest. But it's still hundreds, right, from a percentage of the global population or the national population. It's still a small, tiny percentage. But the big, big news this week, of course, is the Ukraine. Have you guys, did you guys have a chance to read some of the stuff I sent? Yes, yeah, had a peek at it. I must say I didn't delve deep. I might have overwhelmed you guys with stuff on that one. But there's been a lot of a lot of stuff going on. And we haven't really gone deep into the Ukraine so far. And I thought it was based on what was happening this week, it was the right week to do so. We kicked off the week where dozens of nations told the citizens to leave the Ukraine. And then there was an article in The New York Times It was basically talking about how the US is battling Putin by disclosing his next possible moves, I hope, and this is a different sort of strategy for them. But by disclosing the plans, it was going to disrupt them, potentially delay the invasion, and maybe even buy more time for diplomacy. So some of the things that they've unveiled, first of all, was the movement of Russian special operation forces to the border, then they explode, exposed a Russian plan to create a video of a fake atrocity to which which we've seen that before. They've outlined Russia, Moscow's war plans, they've talked about the cost of an invasion with 1000s and 1000s. of deaths. I mean, it really is going to be one of those wars where no one really wins. And also, they've also talked about Putin's not as in in a stronger position within the country, as he sort of portrays to the world. Again, this is just the western perspective. So we've we've been seeing, you know, a lot of escalation they took Russia talked about taking troops away from the border, the Europeans and Americans have said that hasn't happened. And they signaled that an invasion could begin as early as Wednesday, gone. So that didn't happen. But then another article, and it's in a publication called the Robert lensing Institute, and the title is, Russia's leader is paving the way for domestic elites to shift power when the time is right. When you look at my weekend reads, This is a very poorly written article. I want to give a heads up on that. But it's showing that Putin has signs of a personality disorder. And basically the talks with Macron, where you saw Did you see the image where they're sitting at the end of a really, really long table that each end and apparently because right? Yes. The rounds? Yeah, it's kind of a bizarre photo, but apparently, it's because Putin is really, really paranoid about getting COVID. Anyway, so basically, they've drawn these conclusions that his mental sanity is being challenged. And, yeah, so you know, in the last three years, he's sort of gone down as far as his mental health goes, and he has a toxic desire to retain power, and it's degrading his mental state. So I, that's there's a few articles in my weekend reads where I talked about that? Did you guys have a chance to read any of them? Because it's obviously that's a tactic. I did. I did. I did. What did you think that we never learned from history that we do not because what's happening before how many times have we seen it across the globe and We're not we do not, we want to wait and hope that things will work out. And we'll give it a little bit more time, give the benefit of doubt across. But we've seen this happen over and over and over again. And it's going to continue because we refuse to learn from history. And I will, of course, reconnect back on this when we talk about the environment. But that is my take on it that when somebody is in a power grab or dictatorial mode, the minor successes kind of cloud everything else. And I'm, of course, only talking from what the best narrative has written about, I do not know much on what's happening on the other side. But that is my assessment on what is going on, that quite a lot of work needs to be done to diffuse across, else, we just have yet another disaster sitting on our hand, and the whole world is going to get affected. And we are not yet out of COVID. So there's something else that's coming in, oh, boy, it's gonna suck each one of us right into it. Yeah. Assuming assuming that he is the madman who is on the rise. And, you know, I think we tend to have a little bit of a standoffish or, or let's wait and see a hands a hands off approach to other people's business. Except that these, these people have access to the nuclear codes on the other side of the fence. I don't know, man, I I think what we become is too tolerant. And I know that's kind of a strange kind of an idea to talk about. But we we've actually come to the point. Now, I think it's in terms of human evolution, where we're letting people who would have perhaps been cleared out by the natural course of selection to the carry on, right. So I was talking about all these, like people who show signs of an and with keeping in mind that this is somewhat controversial to say as well. But when when when people show signs, it used to be people would be either exiled or marginalized. And I don't think we do perhaps enough of that. And it's it's a, it's a, I don't know, if it's, I mean, you actually know, I think of it as a slippery slope. If we start trying to filter off and look for trouble look for trouble early on, we're going to end up getting some false positives. But we may in the process, maybe consider doing something like that avoid a positive future. You know, ya know, it's interesting, because, you know, Putin's about to enter into his next six years of power. So they've changed the constitution so that he could, he could basically stay in power. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're making? Yeah, it's a delicate point. But it but it is, I, what I what I'm talking about today was, Is there is there, you know, like, when you when you think about it, you should never think it out loud. No, say it out loud. And if I was if I was in golf, and I shouldn't say this, but is there a case for an assassination of some sort? I mean, you know, that's kind of question that you sometimes ask us that we can, like, if someone is causing all this much trouble, and they're not even there on, you know, like, like, in terms of in terms of what we we seem to understand from how the elections have been run and how it's been, you know, basically, you know, manipulated all the way. Is there some kind of, you know, trigger where we go like, you know, what, it's time to hit the eject button. And if only there was some way that could happen. It's almost like if we could have Facebook for world leaders. And enough, if enough people said, you know, this, like, we remove them. I mean, we would I be open to much more humane ways to get rid of world leaders that don't, that don't live up to the global social standards. But I don't know, I think there's something to think about there isn't like, you know, it was terrible to come to a place where I'm thinking that assassination might not be a bad thing. One, one article, the news article did allude to, perhaps a fear, but I would first delve into something my history teacher taught me in seventh grade, which still stands by that power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely. So this this is not the money corruption, but it is the, the the aura of power, that immunity and whatever you call it, but one of the news articles, spoke about the paranoia that some dictators have, especially after what happened to Gaddafi and Mussolini and charter school. Out of them were shot in a ditch or left around so perhaps it is also holding on to power. Therefore feeding that ego to get more power, whichever way it comes through, with smaller incursions, leading to larger incursions. It is always worrisome, and then connecting it back to what Joe said earlier. Are we being too accommodating here by VM in the entire world here? But of course, the two parties who are immediately concerned? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if the assessment skill is the answer. But you know, it's certainly a thought I've had, let's just take them all out. But I, you know, I think I think we're at a point in the world where we've got it, we should be limiting the age of leadership in especially in politics, because the future is not going to impact people 62 And over, right, they're not going to say the worst of what's coming from a climate crisis perspective. So why don't we limit leaders leadership roles to 55. And once you hit 55, you're no longer you're no longer relevant. So move aside and let somebody else in? That greed and power, right, that's hot. That's the problem. That's keeping the world where it is. But another article that I thought was really interesting. Its title is we spoke to seven ex CIA and Pentagon experts. Here's what they say Putin wants in the Ukraine, because, for me, the the conversation that's been happening is why, and there's so many different perspectives. And of course, we're not getting the Russian language versions of that we're only getting the English versions of that, well, I am, because that's all I can read. But you know, obviously, the Russia, the Europeans in the USA, if they're doing all they can from a diplomatic perspective, but what these guys are saying is some, uh, basically, he's just looking for regional dominance, or power. And if you're not someone that craves power, it can be a difficult idea to understand why anyone would want that. So others think he's has a desire to recapture territory loss in the Cold War, or to basically recreate the Russian Empire, which is a possibility. Others are looking at it as a response to these fees, whether they're rational or not on NATO encroachment. And obviously, NATO keeps coming up. And the other one is his fear of being toppled in a popular revolution that could lead a trip to the gallows, right. But one of the comments that I liked is he reminds me of the Roman Emperor Justinian. So in going back to your history, Peruvian, which I also love, and after the Roman Empire fell in the West, Justinian got it in his head that he was going to bring it back to life. And this was 100 years after the fall of the Roman Empire. And we've seen this throughout history, people wanting to bring back what was lost, you know, and it doesn't happen, right. So that's another perspective. The other one is that he's, he's he's led a couple of incursions into Georgia and the Ukraine in the last sort of decade or so. And there's been no consequence, because the rest of the world has been distracted by other things. So the first was Georgia in 2008. And because the US was focused, I think, at the time on Iraq and Afghanistan, of course, they just weren't paying attention. And then Ukraine, it was a smaller incursion, achieved the same result. And the US was distracted by the Middle East, as well as Yemen, in the Horn of Africa. So Russia's hasn't been a focus. So maybe he's just feeling he's feeling brave. But when you look at all the articles, and this, there's, there's lots of I recommend the dictators Gambit, what, what Putin is after on Ukraine, that's in the New York Daily News, the big bluff, the Jewish press, and obviously, they're going to have a different perspective. Putin would be mad, as Ukrainian invasion is an act of insanity from journalists, Hitchens. And so basically, the cost of this is so high, it will be a bloody conflict, and it will isolate Moscow diplomatically and economically, but then we watched him in Beijing, you know, hanging out with things, things XIAO PING, if I'm saying his name, right. And, you know, so there's a lot of things. There's a lot of chess pieces playing. And he's the master chess player, right? Well, one of the things that I thought of was about this thing about, you know, friends, right, add friends and how the enemy the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So, you know, I think I think China and Russia, pretty much they've been they've been polarized in the same way. Right? So right now, there's a whole boycott of the Winter Games, by much of I mean by by the Americans, and since he's been isolated by America as well, so Putin and Xi are both now on the same side, so to speak of the of the social, the, you know, the path in terms of in terms of the party that the two guys not invited, right. So I was thinking about how we do in the end, no matter how So how, how distorted our view the world is, I think we do desire this idea of being loved or liked by people. And you know what I was looking, I was looking at, at, at all the stuff that was happening, and thinking to myself that if we looked at it from the lens of someone who had been in some way, you know, scorned or hurt, and which, you know, in some way trying to emotionally make themselves whole. It's the kind of behavior that happens to you know, the child that wasn't loved enough in terms of what they what they might act out in when they grow up and get into society. So just wondering about that is wondering what really happened? Could it be as simple as Peter needs a hug someone go and get him? I'm gonna take off from what you said, and give an analogy, that when we have a family get together, we generally find girls, or kids, a particular age group, start mingling, and there's one who's left out. And the person who's left out inadvertently, or because of the age difference young or old, starts to throw tantrums just to get notice, just to get back in. So putting that same analogy, because you said US China, Russia, come on the superpower right now opposing us is China. Russia is an also ran in this case, even though it as a country still has significant power. So could it be and I'm alluding to one of the articles, the links that you shared earlier, Andrea, could it be that this could be Russia posturing, or the head they put in posturing that, hey, you've got to sit up and take notice I'm a power to be dealt with properly. Could be another one is the hug and the other extremist state notice shake hands? Keep me in your thoughts all the time. That would be another possibility. But as long as it remains in the realm of thought, it is fine. The minute there is an incursion and nothing happens, then it's just the confidence that I can win through again, history. Death by 1000 cuts, I can just cut, cut, cut, cut, cut a little bit. And then before you know it, I have it. Although, you know, fee is a big driver for him, as well, right. And I think when I was doing some research on Putin this week, I saw, I think it was Gordon Ramsay said, he felt this deep fear being in his presence. And it's very, very rarely you come across a person that makes you feel that way. Have you guys had that experience where you've met someone that really does bring out a deep fear in you the way they carry themselves something in their eyes, there's something you know, a bit unhinged, but yeah, sorry. So intimidated with some for sure. And in all, but rank fear not yet. And I hope not. It's, it's a pretty interesting experience. Because I think it being in or, or, you know, being around, you know, and when I met Mother Teresa in Calcutta, just not long before she died. And that was a moment where I can't explain how it felt to be in her presence, you know, this tiny, tiny, and she was so wrinkled at that point in her life, right? And then she just to just to be, she touched my head, you know, who I was just, there was something about her that I've never experienced it before. And we've all sort of run across a famous person or something in our lives, and they stop you in your tracks, right? And it's any, you can't get your words out and you feel like an idiot because you don't want to be that person. But it's, they are. But yeah, so I think this is a story that I would really, really encourage everyone to go really wide on really go wide on this one because there's so many aspects to this story, you know, oil gas pipelines, you know, you know, history, regaining power, Putin's what is his drive, knowing that no one really knows if you've got Russian friends speak to them as their perspective, you know, business, the harm that it's doing to the Russian people, you know, there's just so many aspects to it, and I'd love to get a clearer vision of it, but I just from everything I read, I just can't get a clearer vision and those ex CIA guys right. I mean, they're probably some of the people that convinced us that there were weapons of mass destruction which justified this the second Gulf War, so they're twisted in their view based on who they are and where they're from. Right so yeah, what's the truth? Well, okay, here's my my pin my stab at this okay. And by the way, Tim since his apology he's he's he's stuck some ways trying to join us by by by about four o'clock today. My my, I don't have a fear about the whole thing, but what I read Putin as is someone who has learned despotism, right? He's he's not, he's not a natural. He's learned that he's a student of power. And he's not something someone who's naturally naturally charismatic. And it says, to me, he behaves a little bit like the way you know, when when when when adult actors are asked to portray teenagers, the way you actually nail the performance in you, is you actually over adult, right by by by being by trying too hard to be an adult. You actually nail the teenager's performance. And what Putin tries to do, I think he's, he's trying is he's he's trying to emanate Alpha all the time. It's always signaling Alpha. But it seems to be off a script, right? So you know, doing things like riding a horse back riding a horse, he's got one of them. You know, so I think he I sense that he, he is almost, he's almost a caricature of a villain as an A, he's trying to play the part of someone to be feared. And so he does, he does what he has to do to maintain that. And so part of that I think, is going to include things like invading, you know, a country or threatening to invade a country. You know, that's the kind of thing that's going to help the local local constabulary think, oh, there is a guy who's got his balls where it should be. You know, I mean, I get that you don't get that kind of. It's like, give me on the Alpha. Right. Yeah, one of the offers there. Yeah, they're a bit of a challenge in the world. I just want to acknowledge when chance he is having a chat. He's always great. And, and I can't say my glasses, an ND is that right? Yeah. I think that's one of your friends. Prevent an end? Yeah. Welcome. And also height Homayoun. Can from Pakistan member of Iaw SW, USA? I don't know. But anyway, hello. Thanks for joining us, we appreciate it. Yeah, so yeah, maybe just need to get a really big car. Is Tim not joining? Because he knows I'm the Alpha. I've actually I spent a fair bit of time doing some research on what is an alpha male? And what is a beta male and an alpha male who is substitutes. Or who thinks they're an alpha male. So an alpha male, doesn't try to be an alpha male, they just, they just don't fella. They take care of the men in the world. They take care of the boys in their communities. They're respectful towards women, there's no, there's no effort. It's just who they naturally are. And of course, that's my goal with my boys raising, raising them to be those sort of men, right. But I do think when we look around the world, there are a lot of examples of men in leadership positions, who potentially think that they want to be alpha males, and they're behaving in the way they believe, but it's actually yeah, it's not good for society. And as we've talked about last week, we cannot afford more wars, from an environment perspective, we just can't afford more wars. And I think we need to really transform our global political situation where they have to be younger, because if they're younger, they're going to focus on the issues that matter to the younger generation. But also, we need to give 5050 Women women's representation, so that all the issues that need to be addressed, are addressed when it's it's older men have different priorities to younger people, they just do. Right, you know, and, you know, I mean, what, when, I don't know, India's like, a really complicated sort of political beast, and you probably don't even want to talk about it, because people are so they're either pro or against Modi, right? That is He, what's he what how would you define him you see an alpha male want to be or? I would definitely, when I look back as to how he was before he was chief minister to who he is now. Definitely, he's turned a lot more alpha. And that continues to attract a whole lot of votes. So my personal opinion, there have been a lot of positives and a few negatives that have continued to come on, as with the previous comment that we had, which was full of corruption, and here, it is a weak opposition. That's the problem. The opposition can't get a hold of it together. They want to stick to that same dynasty and people are weaned off that family. So bulk of us are very happy if we can bring together a considerable good opposition to keep those in our in check. And that's not happening. That's a big problem that whatever rules they are trying, they've been consistently losing. And therefore the narrative is is a bad guy. That narrative doesn't sell when there is data that we rely on. Right? Obviously, a few of the initiatives that he has taken have failed miserably. But as an entrepreneur, I would definitely Lord that it takes guts to go ahead with such a move. Poor planning afterwards made sure to tanked. But, Andrea, I'm here, I read the Western narrative that also affects my kids who are reading that. But that's written by somebody who's not living here who's not seeing the plus and minus that is going through. Yeah, so net net to answer your question, yes, he's definitely Alpha. But more than him it is the people around and that's the culture that we live in, who want to suck it up. And therefore trying to put an ever bigger persona, bigger image that goes through. And suddenly before somebody realizes I'm not talking about him, we get stuck in our own image that has been created, that we are unable to break out. And therefore just to live up to the image, we continue to do things a certain way. Both if all through my voting life have voted for all the parties based on the candidate and what they promise. So I've voted for the opposition and voted for Modi as well on because we have multi level elections. And I'm extremely happy being an entrepreneur, visibly seeing the cost of starting running a business, the corruption around it has come down because it's been digitized. I don't need to see a government official face to face, everything is tracked digitally, everything goes through. And if there is a delay, then it can be escalated. This never happened in so many years. Equally, there were a few few other aspects that failed, the D monetization failed, there was a delay in implementation of the nationwide value added tax scheme. But, Andrea, if you asked me net net, I'm happy I would be happier if there was a stronger opposition. Here the the opposition is crying wolf at every single action, which was finally approved when they were in power. This guy's just implementing it suddenly can't become wrong. So people aren't fools, we can see hey, look at it. This was approved by your government when you are a majority. And this guy is just implementing it. So you can't suddenly turn around. So people like me, I would think myself to be rational, that if there are genuine causes, put up your protest flag that we will join. But then it doesn't have to be more it could be any person and just using human psychology, Andrea, the three of us are talking. And if I continue to negate everything that a person does, at some point, the Stockholm Syndrome will center you'll say, person cannot be that bad, doesn't have anything good, anything positive about it. So the opposition is just crying wolf at everything. And at this point, I follow the print like you follow a whole lot of news things I follow Shekar Gupta in the print who's the only journalist who came and apologize that we read the wind wrong, we read the ashes strong when Modi came back to power with a significant majority. He said we were stuck with a Western narrative we thought it never went through we did not go below and I messed up as a reporter because they wanted to just stick to the the narrative out there. And a simple example the opposition kept telling now, what he did last year or the last term was asked all of us privileged lot to give up subsidized gas for cooking gas was subsidized for everybody rich or poor. So he appealed to the rich that you've got money can you give it up so we can give it to the poor. And this was completely poo pooed by the opposition that narrative media nobody gave a damn they said it's a failure. The same population voted him back in power and then shaker was the only one Shekar Gupta not being is is a reportage journalist. He came in said that we did not look under these are rural people, poor people who are still cutting firewood and using them for everything. And for them, even if the gas can be used three days, four days in a month. The mother does not have to be coughing, the house does not have to be full of smoke. There is simple, simple privileges that we take for granted. And the opposition or the journalist or the Western narrative, refused to consider it because it was against what they were looking at. Why? Well, one of the companies I run is a market Research entity we deal in data, not just emotions. So if only the opposition was strong and had the sense to pick the right fight. And of course, pick the right leader, because I cannot vote yet again for the dynasty, my kids are never going to vote for a dynasty there. If only the opposition could be stronger, my country will be that much more healthier. Yeah, it's so interesting, especially that that example like the the subsidies for the poor, that if the wealthy could take on that on board, the cost, you know, the 10% of the population, if they could take on board the cost, that's something that we're gonna have to look at doing right across the board around the world, if we're going to get through the climate crisis, making sure that the poorest don't suffer. And there's an article we're going to talk about that a little bit later. But you know, that you know, what, the Republicans are doing it in the US 100%, you know, they're just that coming together, and they're against anything that the Biden administration is doing. Yeah. And they're playing games that, you know, it's impacting people's lives. And so it's not for the interest of the people. It's for the interest of the party in the EU in Australia. You know, the Labour Party hasn't been strong for a long time. And they had so many infighting so much infighting. At the time, Boris Johnson winning the last election because the labour you know, opposition was just so people just could not take except Jeremy Corbyn. And to me it was Jeremy Corbyn, right, that was his name. Yes, I for me, it was just like, surely Anything's better than keeping the same party in power. But he was so wrong for the British people that they, they voted for Johnson. And of course, we've been seeing all the shenanigans he's been getting up to. And it's a consistent thing around the world, right? That the way politics is, everyone's playing a game. But they're not focused on actually the job of serving the people. And, yeah, it's kind of crazy, what's really going on around the world. And it's part of the failure of democracy, it's part of the lack of trust in the media, in politicians, you know, it's, it's, you know, because no one's got their eye on the job. They're just thinking about consequence. I think you you mentioned it earlier, right? That's the real big thing. It's about what what happens if you don't do the job. And that's, that's the important thing. And if you, if you've had a, you know, it's like, for instance, imagine you're at a party and you're having a pie, and you say, Well, if you if you if you enjoy enjoying the pie, you've had the pie, and then you know, there's a, there's a chance to sort of win another hour, the party, so you can have another pie. And you say, Well, what's, what's the consequence, if I, if I don't be if I don't qualify for this second half, if you just don't get to have the pie, it's not much of an incentive to say that if you if you don't do your job, you'll be voted out of office, that's not really an incentive. So what I thought is, you know, what if what if politics was taken out in this way, you know, you make it high stakes and high reward. So if you you make it really financially worthwhile to become a politician. But you also add on the death penalty if you don't do it, right. Yeah, Joe, was on a major tangent. I'm sorry, I'm just on Facebook, right? Speaking about death to all. But I've always thought about this in terms of, you know, the trouble with a lot of things is that when you don't do it, or you don't really put put put the effort in, it really doesn't cause that much of a problem. So for myself, I have that trouble motivating myself to do things like I've been trying to lose weight for years. And the and it's funny, you get to find the thing that finally motivates you. And for me, it will turn out because I was I was so cheap, that in order to save $75, on an insurance rider, I was prepared to lose weight so that I would make the weight on the, for the for the contract. But everything else didn't work for me, what was the consequence of it? I didn't, I didn't fear the consequence of not losing the weight, right. But I had a friend recently, who was really, you know, the consequence of him not losing weight was going to be he would probably die. And then he really changed what he was doing. So there were two things built into that. On one hand, his life became so much better. And on the flip side, it was he avoided death. Right? So so I'm just I'm just thinking about these kinds of extremes because it can get your attention. I mean, why not make it such that public service is something that you can qualify for a great rewards to be had. But if you're if you're, if you're if you prove yourself to be one thing, you know, you can really lose the ultimate prize. I mean, if you think about that, then then it would take a special sort of someone to step forward and say, Yeah, I think I can do a better job. I'm prepared to prove it. You know, and if you feel like well, I I presume you'd have some checks in place to see how exactly you you evaluate and someone hasn't done the job or whatever it is right? It wouldn't be just be a case of the popular vote down with him thumbs down, but if there was such a thing, I think it might create some different results. Alright, so we're gonna kill politicians to good. Gundam for fuel, burn them for fuel use them instead of firewood. crucify them. Let's let's go old school. Should we? Should we move on to COVID? Yeah, sure. Let's do something serious. Yeah, no. But just remember going back to the whole Ukraine story. I know, it can be a bit overwhelming. But I've in my weekend raises lots and lots of different perspectives. But it's not even for me, it's not all of the perspectives that are worth paying attention to. Obviously, I can't read it all. But also, I can't read anything in Russian language. So just read wide on it. And you know, some people are going to have their firm opinions no matter what I'm sometimes I've seen people commenting on stuff I've been sharing, and they're very, they're very clear or what their opinion is, which I always find really interesting, because, to me, the story is so big and wide, I have no clarity, of my opinion, on my opinion of the story. So but let's move on to COVID. So Denmark, they are now overflowing with virus cases, but have decided to embrace the Bring It On attitude. Now, of course, the Scandinavian countries have always had a bit of a different resource, Sweden, right, that sort of stay open, right? People are often looking at these countries as examples to follow. But the country that you're in, you always need to consider the health and age of the population. So like compared to America, where obviously the vaccination rates are very low, but cases things like obesity, diabetes, or those sorts of other things that exist more prevalent prevalently in society. But it's an interesting case, going down into Asia, again, Hong Kong is now in its first real state of crisis with COVID. And we were talking about the Cathay Pacific airline attendees that escaped quarantine and unleashed Omicron in the community. And basically, Hong Kong has gotten to the point where they know that they can't live with the virus, but they can't stop it either. But they're under the Chinese sort of political leadership, and basically, who have said to them make controlling the epidemic as soon as possible, an overwhelming priority. Now, the problem in Hong Kong is the majority of citizens of Hong Kong don't trust Beijing, as we've seen in the last few years, they expect at least 1000 people have died from COVID, which is four times the number since the beginning of the pandemic, and basically Hong Kong and carry a saying, We just can't do what China does. We don't have the manpower. And we don't have the full authoritarian toolkit to actually, you know, do anything about it. So it looks like Hong Kong is going to be you know, up. Well, I mean, Hong Kong is in a very unenviable situation, because they have this KPI that that is hanging over their head, right. And also, because what they've done is they've sold a basket of goods for which now they're having to pay the the population has been wound up about no COVID, no, COVID, no COVID. So zero tolerance and whatever. And if you're, if you're in the slightest bit, Ill then you have to kind of like show up to the hospital. And that policy is what's between them in the mum this time around. I mean, they're actually in a perfect situation to weather this without much of an issue. But the narrative doesn't fit the story that they've been telling the population before this. So you know, the daily cases are somewhere somewhere in the region of 2000. Plus a few days ago, anyway, was 2000 plus a day, yet they were 10,000 people waiting to get in the hospitals, because they were they were, you know, infected or at least they had that number as well, a backlog right? When most of the people if you're if you're following the protocol, and even even the who has recommended to countries to just ease off on travel restrictions, because it just doesn't work against Omicron. And the consequences are not as dire. They've actually recommended for most countries to just remove, you know, like the the more stringent travel restrictions. You know, Hong Kong could come out and just say Listen, guys, the latest science is what it is. Everybody calm down. You're fine. Right, but they can't act that way. So now they're forced into the next thing where they're actually building this big hospitals, super hospitals to the house patients that frankly, don't need a medical point of view, they don't need hospitalization, they just need to be isolated at home. And just because they're trying to meet a KPI, they don't want people with COVID in the general population. And the only way you can do that is to take them into another place, that is not Gen pop. And if you can't find a place, you got to build a place. So that's what they're doing now. Which is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, we've seen the, the way China's handling the Olympians during during the Winter Olympics, right. And there's no contact with anyone. Outside, there's no contact at all. It's a completely closed loop. And it's in all sorts of weird and wonderful things going on there. You know, but I don't know, like the, the the Asian approach to COVID has been extreme all over the region. We'll be right when it can be I know in India, I mean, it must be with just the sheer population. It's impossible, right? When people are living on top of each other? It Yes, it is. And then it comes in waves. If you look outside, you'll ask what is COVID Because it's to a certain section, and I live by the beach, so I can see it as to what's happening. But here, we also have this continuing tension running between the states and the center. And sometimes opposition happens just for the heck of it, not factoring in the people. But in on the positive front, they have worked together, especially in the second and third wave more. So in the in the recent wave, with schools getting converted into hospitals and everybody volunteering and working together. It gives a good feel that, hey, the virus is here, we can't do anything, but we will get through it. And despite a regime change, wrong usage of word a political party change in my state, the baton passing has been very nice. And the new party that's come back to power has visibly done a whole lot. Right. And in our case, of course, it's the only thing I need to be scared off is the WhatsApp University of fake news. A lot of people a lot of people tend to believe what's happening there. Then the reality, but it's been two years now, Joe and Andrea that I can see the apathy in the people outside. Whatever happens, I'm just going to go and go ahead. We want to point how much can you rein in how much can you advise, and when they wear the mask. It's like here, it's like wearing a beard saying, why even bother? If you do it, you do it properly. So when I go to business meetings, we have started and the other person does not put in a say you don't have to say no, I'm this is to protect you. So I don't want to infect you, and I don't want to get infected by other people. So I'm my moustache is my identity. And I've got to cover it up. And I'm happy about it. So I'm looking forward to the end of mask wearing it's so yeah, disgusting. Wearing a mask in the tropics. We just came back from Colac. And we went to visit this town called tacky tacky or PA which is 62 BC shipping tracking, not shipping trading Village and in India used to trade through this through this village. Right. And it was amazing just to just how old it was. And its history. And we were walking around this town in the middle of the heat of the day. And by the time we get out your your masks soggy, we sweat. And you're just like, Oh God, I'm so looking forward to this being over that there isn't. But you know, but then we look at a country like Singapore. And so there's an article that Tim shared and it's shame he's not here because I know that he sort of dug into it because it's got some great data. But when delta sort of variant peaked in Singapore, basically between August and December last year, basically the the approach of the government and with vaccines, it averted 8000 deaths 33,000 severe cases, and 112,000 hospitalizations. And I don't know if you guys remember these, one of the things that used to frustrate the hell out of me when COVID first started was people quoting from the country that they're in. Well, if only zero point point 000 1% of people are dying, then we're obviously we're we're, we're not, we don't need to be taking this approach. But they're ignoring the data in the countries that weren't taking the approach like America, where it was a hell of a lot more than 1% of people dying. So in this article, so in Hong Kong, 63.7% of people are fully back vaccinated, and they've had 2.8 deaths for 100,000 people. So obviously, that numbers, so they're looking, they looked at one of the best in the world, right? So obviously, that number is going to change. In Singapore, it's 15.7 deaths per 100,000 People in America, it's 265.8 deaths per 100,000 people. Singapore's got 87.8% of the population vaccinated Americans still at 63.6. But when you look at the news that's going on around the world, and the different countries and how they're thinking about COVID, I do think that, you know, even Australia is opening up to foreigners in March, right? I do think we're coming to the end of the restrictions, because people like you say, people just whether it's the right decision or not, yeah, people are sick of it. Well, good fun there. The thing about this is that, scientifically speaking, if the trajectory contains or remains where it is, that's definitely something that they were looking forward to. And the likely next step, as is viruses sort of evolve, likely next step is that the next area of concern should be even less. Well, they call it less dangerous than Omicron. That's, that's the that's the likely and most hoped for scenario. Yeah. The challenge and and again, saying this, people gonna just try and cover their computers and stop and mute the speakers now and say, you know, don't jinx it for everyone, where we could be in trouble if, for some reason, a variant, another variant comes along, which just happens to be, it has a kind of combination of traits of being more contagious and more dangerous than Omicron. Because it's always going to be the most contagious version that's going to overtake infections. And right now, I think the numbers have 95% of infections and sort of attributed to Omicron right now. And because it's generally speaking, much less harmful. It's being seen as something that we don't have to worry so much about. The the thing that is of concern, and it's a growing concern is actually long COVID. You know, in terms of what, what actually it's causing, and what potentially it has, because they found now to see symptoms that affect you, I think it was an article you shared last week was about the LM Isles. IMAS, like symptoms that were found in. It wasn't a large cohort, but I think 1010 patients, and they found consistently some, some some data that suggests that that foggy, COVID, foggy brain that you get is, is related or similar to what happens with Alzheimer's. So I was I was on part of a webinar just a few days ago. And I asked, I asked the expert about what they thought might be the long term effects, it does have health span. And a lot of people have no idea about that. Right? Yeah. So as much as we now think in terms of all right, we were taking our foot off the pedal for for for for for protecting ourselves from COVID. The problem is, we may be ultimately widening the door for the consequences of long term consequences for COVID. And not just for everybody now, but the youngest people, right. So if you think about the, the cohort that was most that that that was most infected in Singapore, in recent times, was not the oldest people, it was actually schoolchildren, school children now became the largest number of infected people. So you know, I had that feeling when I went to the lift, and then some kids gave it to the lift, and I went, Oh, you know, that that's the change, right? And they're the ones who are who are exposed as well. So what are the long term effects? I mean, they may not have, it may be asymptomatic for now. But there's some things that are really affecting people long term, they're seeing things like even for some people who have had a relatively mild COVID They found breathlessness to, to extend in the long term. It's it's a it's a big unknown. So yes, it seems it's it's it's like we're all going to get used to passive smoking. But I think there's something else that we were maybe not being careful about I think all the cron is going to affect those people who it's obviously going to affect Yep, we'll see that and we'll think all the numbers okay, it's relatively safe. But But I think we're all playing around with the equivalent of a yet to be fully understood STD having fun with each other, you know, yeah, I think it's such a it's such an important point to make and, you know, We were lucky we can make the decision. I know I mean, proving right. We recently recovered from COVID. But you know, Mike, both of my boys are vaccinated, but you know, the the neural development of children. That's, that's one of the impacts heart for adults. So heart attacks, strokes, lung damage, blood clots in the lungs. That's another long form, and our lack of knowledge of that, and especially around Omicron, because we don't have we haven't got enough time to right, understand it, right. The idea that just live with it, fine. I get it, you know, we need to get on. But it is there's I think the deaths from COVID. Will those numbers will be continuing once we put it behind us because it does have all of these physiological impacts in our bodies that, you know, I've one of my friends in India is looking he's on permanent oxygen is a young, young, healthy guy on permanent oxygen, you know, and I know a lot of you know, in India, that that devastating wave, a lot of it was just a sheer scale of people. And no job. The equipment, right, yeah, no, it's not done yet. I just found out yesterday that my college junior three years younger than me, died because of COVID COVID heart attack. Since it's not how mild you say it is delta Omicron everything is in the population. So we've just got to continue to remain cautious. Yeah, yeah. But we're privileged if we can, yes, but I'm taking a slightly more philosophical. Stand right here and reinsure that I'm full of gratitude. Thank you for this day. And tomorrow's another day, and I intend to live it fully. Without without COVID, that's just personal. And there's nothing selfish here. There are two ways to look at it negative and positive. Of course, the whole world is full of negativity. But could we just take a step forward, saying I will enjoy today, I am right now here in the no show. And I'm enjoying every moment of it. And I hope to pass it on when I get out of the new show as well. Because like Joe said, COVID is here to stay. passive smoking, or like hypertension and high blood pressure or diabetes, it's it's here to stay, how can it just vanish? It's going to continue to look around, as long as we are cautious and also strong mentally, we can push through. Yeah, yeah. Well, my view on over cron, is that we should at least do okay. Again, I guess, is the approach that I had before COVID. Right. I was the person who wouldn't want to shake hands. Because I didn't want to make anyone sick. I tried to prevent people from getting sick from having what I have as well. And I used to take the approach with just with just the flu, I didn't like people to to get the flu, catch the flu pass on the flu. I just felt that way. And I think what would be a pity is what we could do as in like, I think what we should try to do is, is making sure that we don't have unavoidable consequences, right? So if they're avoidable as in like, if if we could just maintain hygiene, if we could maintain a few a few good practices, so we don't take everything for granted. I think we'd be better off. You know, I I agree that the world can't go on the way it's been going on for the last few years is it's going to be too much of a tax on on our mental mental state. But at the same time, I think there's some things that we can still take away from it, right? I think I've been I've been casually observing, because I judge everyone around me. When I'm when I'm in the bathroom. I'll notice that people don't wash their hands for the same 20 seconds that they learn to do. I mean, it's just just going away, right? So becoming careless again. And it would be a pity if you know, I mean, someone someone dying from the flu should be just as bad in terms of news, right? And that happens and it used to happen. And just that for now, if we if we think okay, I'm gonna Crohn's the the more harmless version is about as bad as flu. We should still, I think, try to get rid of it. You know, one of the great things about the last two years is that they've had no flu. You know, it's actually it's actually been not not eradicated but it hasn't become it hasn't caused much of a problem. And a lot of that's because we've we've been so careful about COVID Although you're in Europe, definitely took off because they sort of let let everything open just as Omicron sort of landed but, but I can promise you both one thing next time I see you, I'm going to give you both a big hug and Joe, you better accept their signs too to it. The hug is actually the hug. A hug to the side like this right? is literally safer than a handshake. Right? Yeah. But I thought previous comment about you know, that real mindfulness being being in the moment during this time, like when you when you see in fear and fear is, you know, the future, it's a future based feeling, right. And we've all watched our friends in our community on social media Express, you know, their fears and their worries, and their concerns and the despair and all that sort of stuff. And there's a whole bunch of people I've been reaching out to, you know, I'll just ring them up and go, right. I've just been noticing what you're posting on Facebook, are you right? Don't worry, everything's gonna be okay. And I'll do it whenever I can just to help people because not not that I'm capable of being in a good place all the time. But most of the time, I've been able to manage my mindset. But a lot of people were really struggling with it. And I think if you're a person that can do it, help other people just reach out and just give them a ring and check checking in on people because you know, it's it is managing your mindset and being but being in the moment, I think has definitely been a saving grace for me at this time as well. And things like this during the no show, having a chance to talk to the smart people that I love. Ah, all right. Do you want to move on to Environment and Society or any final thoughts on COVID? Please, please carry on. I don't know when this is a really good story. But there was a fun little story about massage place in Singapore, which they broke a few of the rules. I actually just realized it's not it's not so much to cover that yet. They just broke the rules of the massage establishments in Singapore. I think what let me let me do this. Why don't you Why don't you go? Go ahead. I'll go this has been my trailer for something fun. And it's coming up in a while. Oh, salacious. Yeah. All right. Let's kick into environment society. So last week, I decided to really bring these two together, because I think the topics are absolutely interlinked. And we can't change the way business is done unless we also change the way society is run. So the first one is a title called this could be a transformative moment Coca Cola to increase use of reusable bottles. So Coca Cola is consistently the largest plastic waste producer in the world, in the consumer goods space, and they have announced plans to increase the share of bij beverages that come in returnable or refilled fillable containers. I've never seen one of these by the way, from 16%, currently to 25% by 2030. And I gotta tell you, I was pretty underwhelmed by the numbers. I mean, to me that the where we are in the world with the amount of waste, it's in the world, that that's all they're willing to do by 2030. And we've got to remember, plastic use is going to triple by 2050. So, but a recent analysis by Oceana found that if, if the increase in refillable water bottles, if it's increased by 10%, it reduces marine plastic pollution by 22%. Yeah, and both and then the other commitment is that they're going They've set a target, to collect 100% of its packaging, by collecting bottles or cans, regardless of brand for everyone produced by 2025. Now, that looked like a good piece of news, right? They've set up collaborative partnerships with governments and industry partners in Belgium, in this article, Belgium, France, Germany, UK, Norway, Spain, and Sweden. Now, this is the bit that made me go, Aha. So these are the countries that ship their waste to the east and to developing countries like in Africa. So if they really going to be serious, they can, they can do all the all the nice fancy work in Europe, and look good, and get lots of positive publicity out of it. But the problem is not there. It's out here. And you know, you know, I'm thinking of a 22% reduction in plastic pollution based on the amount of fields that gets washed up on the beaches here. It's nothing. 22% is nothing, it's because it's so big. But it's the first camp, it's the first major brand to put in place something like this. So we've got to celebrate it. But it has to be a bigger effort. It just has to be it's not. I think all of the waste producers have to come together and form a collective and address the global waste problem and they have to fix it. And they have to clean it up. They've taken no responsibility. You know, we saw an example I think was Papa New Guinea where glass bottles were removed. Within weeks, the island was just full of plastic waste within weeks and on the islands. You can't get it off. Like it's, it's really difficult to take waste for items and dispose of it right. So it's just, yeah, yeah, it's not good enough for me. And I think we've got to put a lot more pressure on these sort of companies. Shovel that one? Absolutely, absolutely. Now, Andrea, you know that I am an avid tracker. And the bulk of my tracking is done with a group called India hikes, one of the largest trucking companies, which promotes dry tracking. But what they do, as soon as we go in for the orientation, give us small bag, it's a green color by and we got to carry it all through with us. And every time we see waste, we got to fill it up, wrappers, bottles, etc. And they want to inculcate healthy tracking into keep the mountains clean, because what, how does it come back, it comes back with rains, clubs, everything that it gets into. But from what you say, if Coca Cola can do it from the source, every small step will have to celebrate with them. So it encourages. The news article also says that most of these large companies make larger announcements, but do not follow up. But as long as they keep doing it in small bits, it's absolutely great. But if you can cut it off at the source, and with your permission, I'm going to delve a little bit into my childhood. Anytime we had guests in the family, and I came from a middle class family, there were only so many plates available. So suddenly, when you have guests, I was sent to a roadside corner shop to buy plates made out of leaves, leaves were stitched together using a fiber. And I went and bought that. And we ate in that. And after that we put it outside in a bit and the cows ate it. So it was a complete circle apart from the tree to us and then back. And there was obviously not a single bit of plastic that was there. And when we traveled, it used to be in stainless steel containers that we used to take. So obviously, we used to bring it back or send it back through. And this happened in my generation. And I'm equally culpable for getting into plastic. So it's weaning myself off is going to but some of us here are trying to see if we can get back to that model, where we take from nature get back into nature and do not misuse Mother Nature. And with so much nonsense coming through, a little bit of resetting would work and I wanted to showcase a brand new book from a recent Indian author. He and I cycled Well, together Srinivasan and Supertree. Who have come up with two books. In fact, six months ago, how can you live perfectly zero waste? No nonsense guide to living sustainably in India? Absolutely. Looking back to what our grandparents used to do, which was completely sustainable and local. Yeah. So is it possible for us to go back the partner book for this is 100 ways you can adapt sustainable living. So when you when you start talking about Coca Cola, and such larger companies, well, Srini and a bunch of them, take their cups to Starbucks, say you put it in whatever coffee you want to do, you put it in here, so I will enjoy but I will enjoy responsibly with reusable cups and every little bit helps because it's so messy up there in the Himalayas. It's it's full of junk generated by us humans. And then we turn around and complain when the sewers get clogged and it gets filled up. You can't blame the government. For that you just can't throw it you can't use. Thankfully, a lot of state governments have started banning single use plastics and also implementing that ban. hilltown of OT or correctional you will not find a plastic cover anywhere. It's just paper covers or you bring your own bag and take it off and we will be charging. We need more of that. So the Coca Cola news is good news. I am one of those to cheer and to see and celebrate every small step in this direction we still aeons away, but hopefully it's in the right direction. Yeah, I'm I'm all about celebrating every small step but a company like that, you know, why are they still using plastic bottles? Apparently the CMO said because our customers want them. I'm like, well, I should be no more plastic bottles. That bottle you know 10% of those bottles are recycled 10% Yes. And that can last in the environment from 500 to 1000 years. It's just it's you use you've used that item within minutes. But then you know I don't know if you ever saw my video where I went to visit Delhi's garbage mountain. Did you say that? Well, I was on a business trip and I decided to go and have a look. But while I was on while I was there, I did some research. So the individual Indians, waste contribution is a tiny percentage of an American like tiny, tiny percentage and I think culturally in India, people are still connected to those older ways. More definitely more than my Like Australians, or I've seen Singaporeans, you know, I think we need three Earths to maintain their lifestyle, the way they leave, but yeah, I mean, to me, it's just, we don't need plastic bottles. Let's let's get rid of them use cans use bottles, or even those cartons. You know, because they're all producing the water bottles in plastic bottles too, right? So we just need to get rid of them. Because I screwed my backup picking up rubbish off the beach. I'm really yeah, I'm really not happy about it. But anyway, okay, another one big banks, fun new oil and gas just despite Net Zero pledges. So we saw some stories recently, the British government approving new oil production sites. But these these are the big banks that are part of the green banking group, right. So includes HSBC, Barclays, Deutsche Bank. So apparently HSBC put an estimated 8.7 billion into new oil and gas in 2021. Barclays 4.5 billion and Deutsche 5.7 billion. And money is going towards companies like ExxonMobil. Shell BP in Saudi Aramco. Now, but good news is it's a big drop from 2020 When HSP alone, HSBC sorry, put more than 18 billion into oil and gas. So the it's going in the right direction. But yeah, the what they're saying and what they're doing and not necessarily the same thing. So the philandering husband is visiting the mistress, but less often. But we do need an intelligent X exit from you know, oil and gas isn't going to go anywhere anytime soon. I don't know if you've been seeing some of the articles, the satellites contract methane. Have you been seeing some of those articles that have been circulating? So apparently, in Russia, a lot of the gas pipelines have just got these amazing amounts of lethal methane coming out of these pipes. And that can certainly can be fixed quickly. And methane is obviously more more damaging in the short term than the other emissions. But yeah, we've got a lot of work to do. But a good news story, I think it's title, it's a guardian piece. Thanks to everyone at Asda success for anti poverty campaigner Jackman writes, yeah, and I just thought this is a really, really important article. And I want, I want to encourage people to read it. So basically, in Asda, which is a supermarket chain in the UK, I think it's in other countries, too. It has a food product, which he calls value ranges. And so this is for people who were living in poverty or just want to have the cheapest product. And it disappeared from the shelves. And this lady Jackman row basically brought attention to this. So we've obviously experienced inflation worldwide. And this goes back to your story about the gas in India, right. So a bag of pasta was 29 P, and then increased to 70 P, due to inflation. And it sort of talks about the story of a single mother with a couple of kids goes into her weekly shopping, and she's only got 10 pounds to spend. That's it. And that 10 pounds before inflation was already impossible. Post, you know, an inflation inflation world is a catastrophic situation for people living, living at the bottom of the poverty cycle, right. And I think it's just such an important thing that we you know, the people who are making the rules, they don't live that life, they don't understand that pain, they probably never understood that pain, but whatever we do, there has to be we have to commit to keeping food available for the poorest people in our community. Because, you know, walking around with your baby, and your kid in the trolleys and Everyone's crying because you can't afford to buy enough food to get through a week, you know, people with more money should you put the inflation in the higher priced goods right but not in those not in the value ranges. So I just thought that was a really powerful pace. And you know, we can we can we can all help more for the people who have the least in our societies, and we have to just, you know, it reminded me of a conversation I had just just a while ago one of my one of my clients talking about this, this movement that she was why it is it is a global movement. I think you may have heard about it the Buy Nothing movement. Yeah. Ah, yes. Yeah. And it's it's such a great idea right, just just in communities wherever you are, form a community and, and try and help each other. So no one has to buy anything. I mean, that's the that's the general idea. And it was kind of a, it was, it was, it was actually interesting to hear about the problems that come about with that as like you in a poorer neighborhood or near near a poorer part of town, it makes complete sense way someone could have very basic needs and want to pass it around. But, you know, it's, it's more than just about helping the poor, it's also about being environmental and reusing things and all that kind of stuff. And I just thought was just wonderful how you could actually if you were open enough to ask any of you in this organization actually asked for the things you need, and somebody else who has the excess capacity could actually help in that in that respect. But my my friend was, you know, she she does try to help wherever she goes, she was lamenting because she if she actually lives in a good part of town in New York, and because of the rules of the buy, nothing movement is all supposed to be regional. The she she she has a very different sort of buy nothing movement happening around her place where the things that they kind of asking for giving each other things like an exercise bicycle, because you don't need one anymore. That sort of thing. For graphing environment, I thought, you know, in terms of like, you know, you could you could find a use for things that you may not have had a useful before someone, someone else might want to pick up your stuff. Yeah, I love the idea of it. But I think in some ways, like, you know, there's a lot of local businesses, if you're not going to buy anything for a year, it's gonna, it's gonna have a big impact. And they've already had a hard time, right. So for me, it's not about not buying something for a year, it's about buying more consciously. So not buying excessively. So my husband can't cope with Lazada, right? Because it's just too hard. And we're in a country where it's a second language in the mix. So the drivers typically don't speak English. It's it's just, we've had things just not turn up, right. So it's really frustrating. He gets frustrated. So he goes, he's, he's like, I need I need it to be easy. I'll go to Amazon. But, you know, you buy one thing off Amazon, it's gonna fly all around the world. That's a big amount of emissions. Right? Right. So for me, for me, it's all about so we talked about the distance between farm to table needs to be shrunk. But for every single thing that we buy, the distance between where it's manufactured, and when we get it needs to be shrunk. So, you know, Lazada, while it might be shipped out from China, that shipped out in bulk, which means every individual item has less impact. So it's last journey to us, is smaller than flying in from the US, right? So we've just got to shrink the way we live. And obviously, buy less, don't buy unnecessary things, don't buy single use things don't buy crap, don't buy something that's going to fall apart within a week, you know, like everything that you buy, needs to be of quality that's going to last and but the other thing is shrink its impact shrink the amount of missions that could have been produced by just getting it to you, you know, and so the whole ecommerce boom that's been happening and, you know, did another article talking about Amazon now has basically bought up all of these stories around the world for their for their operations, right. But when we're being lazy, and going for the easier path, we are also contributing to the environment by not working harder for what we want. So Tim's here, I think we should make him sit there for a while he told me he left a comment saying it was in the moment that's why what do you think should we let him in anyway? Yeah, he's got it. He's got a ticket. I thought that was a really good story. And a positive story that a company's taking care of it's you know, the low the low, the low income people in its community. So like, Tim, Hey, I am shakers. Ah, timber the trim beard? Yeah, well, I will never be able to compete with you. But I thought I'd try with the shirt at least. Yes, nice. Sorry, I'm late everybody, but I've been listening to the show. So I've been following along with the stuff you say and I disagree with that that middle bit but the earlier bit I agree with and the bit just now. Fair enough, but the other big in the headlines ladies and gentlemen, Tim agrees with killing politicians Alright, so a couple of other articles were looking Oxford invited an AI to debate its own ethics what it said was startling. Please, please, please read that list. Any of you guys did read it want to talk about it? What did you say give us a give us the time and potentially toxic levels of pharmaceutical drugs down in rivers across the world. Yeah, this was a really interesting one because it's the first time it's it's gone completely worldwide. And I think the the ramifications from that one, you know, like a lot of the issues, you know, people not being able to get pregnant the rising special needs is it this or is it the industrialization of food? You know, there's, there's there's a lot to it, and also the 5g we all know it's 5g. Come on, right? Yeah. Another another one is a brand of chocolate, which I've only just recently bought called. Tony's chuckling chuckle lonely. Do you know that brand? It's very sort of Brighton. Anyway, I guess it's a Dutch brand. Yeah, yeah. They were knocked off. Slee slave free chocolate least about a year ago, because they partnered with this company called Barry Caillebotte. And, but basically, they, they admitted that there's 1700 incidents of child labor in its supply chain. And a lot of it's linked to this company, and obviously just doing business in Africa. But they facing up to their owning up to it. And they want to make sure that they get it out of their supply chain. But these bigger company, Barry Caillebotte, has identified 21,258 cases of child labor in its supply chain. So while you kind of read that and think, Well, I'm not going to buy that chocolate anymore. I think the fact that they're owning up to it, and they're committed to addressing it. That's the big part of the challenge that we're facing is companies aren't even owning up to the basic stuff. Right? So I applaud that. Nothing to object to that, I wouldn't want to step on that. I was I was thinking about how you know, when when company design Joe doesn't object to child labor? Due to do the right thing, right. i And again, we sometimes don't, don't we we saw those those celebrate them before for the things that they've done before. It's always it's always a challenge, right? I keep I keep thinking about us. But who decides that? Oh, you know, I've got to do better. So he, he paints the house, he fixes all the pipes, and he does everything he can do to fix everything. And the wife goes, but you still left the tube of toothpaste open, right? I mean, that this is the kind of thing that we tend to have with companies as well, they've done all this bad before they tried to do something to fix it up. And I think we look back and go like, Oh, they haven't quite fixed it up enough for us to get over it. I, you know, I don't show before it's as good as it gets. Remember the Batman movie? And I always I always have that as a little bit of a thought, you know, are we are we sometimes so hurt, we can't get over things to get to a point where we say this is this is. And again, we don't have to accept that it's going to be as good as it gets. But today, this is where it is. It is as good as it gets. You know, I was talking about the the optimism that we can we sometimes Rob ourselves of and we keep thinking that things are just terrible today. You know, there is a lot of reason to be optimistic, right? You're talking about like, for instance, in Canada, how that number was the the Capita number of gun ownership in Canada was higher than the US. And that surprised me. And I just thought about how like for poverty and things like that the numbers have come to a point where they're better than before. And as you as you've probably rightly pointed out, Andrea as well, recently, there's been a, there's been a regression, because of COVID. But you know, due to look, overall and to go like, it's, you know, we've come along quite well. I mean, someone, someone who's born, I would say born today, but but in this room, all of us are pretty likely to get to 75 years old. I mean, that's something that we couldn't have said maybe 30 years ago, which is not the way we looked at things. So there's some things that are great. They're not as fantastic as they could be. But for now, it's kind of good. So you know, some, I think a little bit of as good as it gets, sometimes for companies trying to turn their big ships around. Maybe ships are the wrong wrong, wrong analogy. Is something celebrated as well. I think it all depends on the motive. The it depends on that the heart of of their reasoning, is somebody admitting to something because They're about to be found out anyway. So they went out with the admission to try and get a better deal from public sympathy. Is it a? Is it something that they're doing as a as just a PR exercise a smoke screen, you know, like Praveen was saying earlier, some companies are just are making big declarations and then doing nothing about it because somebody, some other CEO in the future will do it. So what is the motive? So if if Tony's truck I'll only have have gone, we've come in we've taken over this thing. And we've we've it's been brought to our attention we did an investigation was shocked and dismayed by this. And this is something that we've taken steps to not only fix, but we've also gone in to help those communities where they feel that they this is the other part that those communities feel that they need their kids to go and work. And if their kids aren't working in these places, are they subject to other dangers? Surely, it'd be great if they could be in education and everything else. But so we may be also imposing our own values on communities that I would like me because a lot of the Western folks came down here and said, Child Labor when the kids it was, it's always something that they work in the parents farms, it's a family farm. So they finish school and they come and help out on the farm. But when you use just one single metric, oh, less than 18, working somewhere child labor bad, you can't do anything blanket. Because that's that apprenticeship. That's something that they learn hands on. And it's it's a job to help out with the family. It's like my daughter going into the kitchen to help doesn't constitute child labor. But if we use a single metric for everything, I'm not saying what's going on with Tony's is right or wrong. I'm just talking about the narrative and using one single standard yardstick to measure everything around the world. It doesn't work in my part of the world. Yeah, I think I think of like the the mining in Africa for, you know, the precious metals or diamond mining or that sort of thing where the children are genuinely suffering, right? He has equal slavery, right? I don't think tiny, China, whatever there is, chocolate oni, I don't think that they, I think that they are an ethical company, but their work, they're working in an ethical industry, and they're doing what they can, but, but to me, this is this is the whole scope three part of the climate crisis, right. So it's businesses now need to have full view and full control of their supply chain. And they're so far away from that, you know, like, I always remember, when I went to my first job, I was in charge of communications for an aerospace company in that and we used to build some of the wings and bits of planes for Boeing. And they were constantly in the factory checking out these, these these things, right, because a tiny, tiny crack in a wing could bring a plane down. So they were, they were all over their supply chain. And it was a very impressive experience for me as a young professional to see this. And then you go, you know, you go around the world and work in different industries and see what's going on. And the distance between the business and the people who are producing the goods in the supply chain, it's just become, you know, so wide, that people are dying, people are being sold into slavery, you know, the, you know, the, the crochet top that we were talking about from Target last week. And but we're, we're at the point now, where we know, we need to change the way we do business, and that's going to be a big part of it. So, you know, it's a whole new profession. Supply chain integrity will be a lot of innovation. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's gonna be a big part of it. Yeah. You know, we saw that with with pork from China. You know, it was attracted to a blockchain because of a whole bunch of people died from eating contaminated pork from China. So they the next thing was implementing it with blockchain and they were able to track it from from from the pig to the table. Yeah, so supply chain is a fascinating area. Oh my part of the world the change is slow but it's positive that even the star restaurants here have a mandate to source things locally. Yeah, not to get them shipped from wherever in Europe over to India to get through but to say so with pray that it is locally sourced that it is done here. That's a slow movement but it's a lovely movement starting through Yeah, I think it needs to be a faster movement now. We need to reduce the transport of anything that goes on our body right. Joints right there kill the slow guys. Yeah, yeah. Hang on, let me get on to my dog weapons. Just a couple of things to keep a pay attention to. So yes, zoos are looking at safe Basically freezing genetic samples from endangered species to, obviously, when they face extinction, and we're seeing in Portugal and Spain, a terrible winter drought, which is going to devastate crops. And of course, yesterday, we also saw the landslide in Brazil, which they are also attributing to climate change. But the big, the big one that I just really wanted to mention was We've mentioned this a few times. So for a very short period of the year, the scientists can go to Antarctica and study what's going on there. So now they're in the second year of a five year program, where they're studying the Thwaites Glacier, and this is also called the doomsday glacier. This is one of those stories that I'm keeping an eye on because they're probably going to have to hit back soon. So the the data is sort of coming, coming to the end for this year. But Antarctica holds 90% of all of the freshwater on Earth. And Thwaites is one of the largest glaciers in the world. And it's melting. It's melting from the bottom, from warmer water, it's melting from the top from sunlight, and it's fracturing apart as it moves. And big pieces account the carving off. So basically, three things are destroying it, they're extremely concerned about this Glacia because it's a plug as well. And basically, once it comes off, it's the size of Florida, once it comes off, so just just that movement will increase global sea levels by two inches. But I've also seen two feet in other articles. So two inches and two feet is a significant difference. So but behind it is another guy that was basically enough more glacial melt, that is the size of Alaska. And this is when we're getting up to the 2530 100 feet, sea rise. So we still don't know what's going on there. But they're scared that we've already hit the tipping point the weights is cracking where it can exceed the land. And yeah, basically, we're looking at an unstoppable process once this kicks off, but you know, like the Himalayas as well, a few years ago, the scientists were saying It's already past the tipping point. And I know that living in Chennai, you've you guys have experienced some terrible droughts, right? Is the conversation happening in India about the risk of when that when the when the Himalayas melts or the glaciers melt? As we know, agriculture? Yeah, right. Now, it's agriculture. It's drinking water. It's, you know, animals. I mean, a lot of life is built on the runoffs from the Himalayas. Yeah. Ganges, Yamuna. Everything comes through from that, but not enough talk is going on. And not not to mention from a global perspective, the beach is 700 meters that away everything happens. Next, no show I'll be swimming and keeping my head above water and talking to you. Not enough work is going on? Or it's it's something that looks so disastrous. I don't even want to get that into my conversation. So it's, you know, that's the thought process that's running through the it's all about, but but the proximity to the problem, right? I start thinking about this, you're talking about tomorrow's problem. And today's problem is something else that sweets is expected to, to come off within the next three to five years. Yeah, and I'm not I'm not suggesting that there isn't a problem. Like for me, having too many plates of chassis rice in a role is going to lead to me putting on 20 pounds in the next two months. Right? But it's tomorrow's it is. It's tomorrow's problem. And what I what I what I'm saying is it's eclipsed by today's problem is, which is I'm trying to get a job I'm trying to do I'm trying to get the next meal and all the different things right. So I remember thinking about you know, like, when it comes to politics, for instance, we talk about things big, big ideas and politics, a lot of elections are won on the basic things, you know, it's about the it's about, you know, money in my pocket food for my family, shelter for my for ourselves. And a lot of these things are these are big ideas, and they completely valid, but they're also the thing that I'm not thinking about today. So you know, do I care about the Earth? Yes. Am I going to burn this wood to cook the food I need tonight? Yes, because that's the more pressing thing if I don't have it, I mean, it's those. We, we have to figure interventions that make it possible for for people to take the right actions are in their own self interest. And that really I think, is the is the is the is the challenge. It's, it's if you don't solve some of the basic problems, people kind of look at the bigger, more bigger, less less pressing, immediately pressing. Ideas like, you know, what was the, there was an idea about why why old people don't care so much sometimes about about our long term problems because they're not going to be around for it right? It's actually going to be, it's something about like, like that I feel like because it's not the pressing and immediate problem that they see, they don't have as much capacity for it, you know, the person who needs to burn wood to feed their family is not the person who's corrupt part of the bigger problem in the world that's created the problem that we need to solve, right. So and, and, you know, there's all sorts of stuff coming out now about percentage of emissions, so the top 10% in the world, and we're all part of that. Yeah. We need to change how we live, because we're the ones that are responsible for the emissions. So yes, you know, this idea, this idea of going into the future, often, it's my priority now, because I've just got to focus on this now. And it's like, how can it not be a priority level, we're all parents, this is, you know, and this is going to impact us. And it's a real struggle for me, because I am gently and delicately sharing some pretty scary information on a regular basis, trying to gently wake people up to the fact that we have no more time to lose their every single thing that we do, every change that we can create ourselves and and, and why the change is going to make so we can't stop what's happening. But what we can do is make it less crap for our children. And if that's not a priority, I honestly, I don't know how to communicate it in any other way. I'm right. It's a real struggle. For me. It is a priority. It is a priority. But I'm going to relate to the necessity of awareness in a language that the recipient can understand. And I'm going to give you a personal example 2004, the tsunami struck here. It's struck the worldwide but it also struck me had never seen a tsunami or heard about it before, except that it happens in Japan. So what did I do? The new spread, and this was before WhatsApp that the sea has gone in. So I went to the beach to see the sea that had gone and thankfully I lucked out in this place. It didn't come back. But in the in the beach a few kilometers away, it rushed back in and swept people. So I didn't know what a tsunami was, the news was the sea had gone in, because that's how it works. It sucks the water and then brings it right back. Maybe no. And I was up there. When my mom and her father in law, somebody called us and get us back home. And I come back home and 15 minutes later the seat comes back. And so it's it's purely a question of what I do not know. I don't know. So I'm going to go ahead and do foolish stuff again. So coming down from the 10% area, how can that information be translated into a language that the normal people can understand? So they realize at least a slightly bigger percentage of seen ones who are ready to invest for the immediate future? If not, today and tomorrow, but at least if I do, what can I defer whatever is going to happen by one year, two years, can I and we need the marketing of vegans. And I'm going to tell you because a few of my friends are vegans, it is not enough. If you are a vegan, you got to tell the whole world you're a vegan, and you have to shame the other people who are not vegans. Right? That's my definition of a vegan. And we want to use the similar concept here that do you love the environment? Are you ready to do it? Can we build a culture around it can be if necessary, shamed the people into doing the right things. And we will I think we need to sit down. Ah, it's situated around climate change. So we use getting messages. Yeah, this is gonna be part of my vernacular and my lifestyle. I mean, you look at the sitcoms over the 70s 80s 90s, even presumably before that, but I was only watching those ones. They've, they've addressed a lot of multiracial issues. They've addressed a lot of tolerance issues, they've addressed a lot of a lot of these sorts of issues where they, they make it just part of normal life is to talk about these things and to do these things differently. And that so I say, with my tongue in my cheek, but at the same time, that's kind of cool. We it's true. We don't have the time to to sort of come up with a hit show necessarily, but why not? I mean, well, I know one thing it will be in Korean. No. Well, there'll be zombie zombie apocalypse. So the UK has got a couple of a couple of its sitcoms or whatever those crappy shows, where they actually have brought more and more of the Empire. message but you know, like just any Hollywood movie, any US sitcoms, I just finished watching shits Creek, right? And it was every single time I see someone turn out with a takeaway container. It's in a plastic cup with a straw. That's me for some reason. Yeah. And the media, that industry has not adopted any message about, you know, not using this stuff. There's no There's, there's no awareness in the TV. So Hollywood, I think it's got a lot, a lot to do. And they're not doing anything yet, which is a really massive media. And it's really important. Yeah, and then up, and, you know, so, I mean, there's multiple layers of it, but all of us need to be speaking up. So the whole vegan thing is, it's a funny one, right? But vegans are the most annoying people on Earth, but we all need to become more vegan. We do. We need to shrink our input and, you know, in India, and must be just eating being vegetarians better. And India, that's easier to do than most, you know, our diets. You know, it's just trying to convince my boys, but you know, if I buy them red steak, I won't get airflow from Australia, I'll get Thai red steak. So shorter transport, right. So you know, but it is a frustrating thing when you've been in this. You know, I've gone through the fear. I've gone into the despair, about what's coming for our world. And I've come out the other side and said, what I can do is make sense of this information for people because sometimes it's too complicated, and share that. But people are legit. And I talk to people and they say I'm, I'm almost ready. I'm almost ready to face it. I'm like, Come on, Let's Move. Let's Move, you know, yeah, but almost ready is good, I suppose. But every every everything we do now matters. And the faster we do it, you know, we need to be built, we need to be building refugee cities around the world, for those parts of the world that are going to where people are just going to have to leave, because there's no water, or it's too hot to leave, or, you know, all the you know, the forest is going to die because it's going to be too hot, or the fisherman got no fish left. We should be preparing for this. And we're not seeing it. Because it's coming. How bad it is, is what we can control now. Well, the the human race hasn't had a very good track record, because around 2017 I think they were preparing for a possible pandemic. You know, it's one of those things we might everyone. We'd Yep, we knew was coming. And we got like, not effective. So we'll fire everybody. And that reduces the budget and stuff like that. So I'll track record, unfortunately, not good. And I think we're gonna go on as well. We're west of that. I think $1.6 trillion is being used to subsidize things that will kill us. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That was a lighter share before I put the links together, but I think it's $1.8 trillion is going into all these industries, and that those subsidies, if we could put them into the industries that could potentially help us, we might achieve, and that's the sort of large scale impact that's going to make a difference, right. real difference, and, you know, it's still not happening. You know, it's, I mean, that for me, the, it, there's just, we've said this time and time again, but it's three major places. One is government taking action, and they need to fear losing an election to do it, too. It's big business taking action, and they need to fear losing customers to do it. And three, it's us taking action, because we're the ones who vote and buy stuff. Yeah. So yeah, so it's, it's the three of them and the Coca Cola thing you were talking about before? Yeah, it is, it is a it's a step in the right direction, it's not big enough. And, and honestly, it's, it's not taking into account, it is, in one sense is taking into account the fact that those European countries in where they're where they're planning to do it are more likely to recycle the recyclable bottle, then some other country where whether it's recyclable or not, I'm just gonna throw it in the river. Ah, see So, so so that kind of makes some sense. But that means we've got an education thing and when I think back to my childhood, I remember this is going to sound pompous and twit ish, but I, I remember sitting on my dad's boat, drinking coke out of a bottle and flinging the bottle overboard and listening to it splash and being very excited as it blah blah, blogged down into the thing. And we think twice about flinging it overboard because it was out of mind out of sight. Yeah. So, you know, it's an education thing. It's, it's a cultural awareness thing, which is what what the point of this is and what Andrew is doing, is about writers And then and then it's about helping people make a change a shift of some perspective in the way that they do things. So, so I still throw things away. I just don't do it from a boat anymore. I don't know, I was I remember seeing a small child when I was a teenager, just throw it throw a plastic bottle in the ocean. And I was like, No. And I just remember this sick feeling came over me and, and it's never gone away. Like I, I see, I see the waste out there. And, you know, individual waste, you know, I took a photo of a table where a shops shop, a store owner had left all of their rubbish from one day. And it was multiple cups, plates, forks cutlery, and, and I took a photo just to show that individual impact in a day in times out by billions of people. And we don't see. And we don't think and that's, I struggled with that. Like how can you not see it? Because I, I the sickness in my gut is there every time I see it, and I I'm like, How can you and I don't want to shame anyone because shame doesn't we doesn't achieve anything. You've got to be you know, my son had a bottle of plastic bottle of Coke the other day and I'm like, What the hell are you doing? Yeah, cuz I know, we don't take plastic bottles, but he was in a, he was in an uncomfortable dehydrated situation. And he had to have it. But it's so rare. That you know, we say no plastic everywhere we go. No plastic. No, we know straws. Like, I don't care if you it's a paper straw. It's no, it's still a single use item, right? Just know, nothing. Nothing, you know, we take up. But we just went up to Colac. And we took a bottle of water with this and we filled it up from the hotel every day. We just know, we just made the decision. And we all do it. And if billions can just make that decision, it just you got to work harder for it. But the earth deserves that. Our Oceans deserve it. Our rivers deserve it. You know, it's just I'm so sick of the waste. I'm so sick of seeing human filth. Every time I'm in a beautiful place. I'm just I mean being up in the Himalayas. I I trekked through the Himalayas in 1995. And there was rubbish then. But now it must be just out of control. Because so many more people so much more disposable waste has been dropped, you know. And I can't You can't not see it. Once you say it must be utterly bizarre when you're in the Himalayas. And you see someone dropping off a boat. Oh, in a lighter when we're still cleaning up all the mess from a few tourists who visited us in 95. I was there in whenever I was 2018, I think or 2000. And I didn't see a lot of rubbish, there were a lot more rubbish bins. What I did see though, is our Sherpa pick up stuff when he saw something. Yeah. And he just he just pick it up and put it in his backpack and just keep walking without even sort of blinking an eyelid. And he was taking care of his office, his workplace, his country. And, and I really liked that, I mean, I thought but that came down to it came down to the people that live there having an awareness of how it all works, because Because me is a little boy sitting on the boat, flinging the bottle overboard. I didn't really I didn't, I didn't really, I didn't know. And, and it was it was gone and taken care of had it been something that floated in a different sort of experience. That so yeah, and then but when I walked down the street the other day, and there was a there was a fair bit of litter just just here, which rarely there is. So for me, it was like something must have blown out of a rubbish bin on the back of a, of a little transport vehicle or something because that was very unusual. But, you know, cigarette packets, and and those sorts of items, I can see that somebody would just drop it. And it's, it's frustrating. Because it doesn't. A cigarette packet is not really causing you a lot of discomfort, for example, to just carry it up the hill and throw it in the rubbish or downhill. So it's very much a selfish mindset to go well if I don't want this anymore. I'm done with that. Yeah. And so it's it's shifting people away from a very self centered perspective and into a care for the for where they live. And then I was wondering, is it the local who lives here that's dropping the item? Or is it the transient person who's coming through doing whatever they're doing? who's like, I don't really care about this. I'm doing this piece of work whether so so I was wondering about, and I would love to see some, no camera footage or something that I wouldn't love to do that would be boring. But I mean, I'd like somebody else to do the research. And and sort of say it's, it tends to be this. But I think bringing it all back to where we're at. I mean, the point is about deciding on, we can't fix everything. But what we can do is we can champion something. Yeah. And take it and, and control our own contribution apple and lead by example. Yeah, and, and anything you do, like the sharing about being vegan, but anything that you do, share it, talk about what you're doing, talk about the changes that you're making, because you can inspire other people to follow your lead. And you know, social leadership is a really important quality for the climate fight. So, yeah, but we can do better. Should we move on to our theme for the week? Yes. Would you like to do that? Yes. Skilling and employing people with disabilities. So I don't know if you guys know this is it's actually a topic close to my heart. My father taught adults with intellectual and physical disabilities in my teenage years. So I was always surrounded by these magnificently beautiful human beings with the biggest hearts in the world. In Australia, I think we've been quite progressive as far as this goes. So I'm in primary school. I remember children, children in our year, but they weren't in the institutions anymore. There were more in society and then in the workforce, they were part of the workforce. I don't know what year it started. But it's always been quite inclusive. But you're you're doing a lot of work in India. But I, when I came to Asia in the early in the beginning of the century, I found disability was something still that people were ashamed of, and it was still something that was hid. And I found that quiet. I found that quite confronting not, you know, to, to not walk down the street and to see nobody with a disability, I found that really unusual. Whereas in India, it's obviously different. It's not so much hiding. It's just the opportunities out there. So proving, do you want to share what you've been doing? And absolutely, the stigma still exists, Andrea. So if there's a person with disability, the lower down the economic strata, you go, and if that person is unable to contribute to the economy or revenue of the family, then there is a significant stigma that goes along with it. However, there's so much untapped potential. They are absolutely brilliant when it comes to work. A lot of people have asked how do you go ahead train recruit, because if you don't need to do that there are nonprofit associations that are investing in skilling. But that is the bane of the people. And the association's that marketing is a foreign language. So they do not know how to spread the word and get the message across. How we look at it is we have the schools and the unschooled and there are a lot of kids with disabilities where the parents or whoever brings them up, goes without saying, what's the point? Anyway, then I want to contribute. So why should I invest in schooling and education and all that, and that is where the bulk of the people with disabilities in India come through? Right, and the few who make clear it, there is a clear government reservation to give jobs to such people in banks and other government institutions that isn't filled up. So I don't and I have been canvassing and a whole lot of other associations as well. In terms of what can we do, can we provide skill can be looked at now all of us are professional speakers. How many of us have a virtual assistant? Yeah, that is the Tim bear who jumps in AI, Blockchain, etc. But then we still need that physical touch. So why can't we train and hire virtual assistant at the very least who will work three to four hours a day, but add value? What about desk research? What about putting it together? What about editing this video, mixing and matching working with the director either bringing creativity or the cookie cutter approach, despite the fact that software is going to take over the world? It's not going to happen for another 2030 years at least I hope which means there is still phenomenal scope. There are hearing impaired people who can help it desk research, email support, etc. visually challenged people who handle telephones who fix up appointments and slots. One of them helps me with my outreach program on the unschooled part. What we are trying to do is can we get them as a part of a circular economy? Can we, for example, come up with beeswax wraps, teach them how to do it with a hub and spoke model to eliminate plastic Can we pick up old clothes and convert them into reusable bags, backhoe ideas not fitting a few. There is a company in Bangalore called medical careers that uses hearing impaired people to do all the careers, the letters, etc, that that comes through. There's another one inspiring Ilango, who uses music is visually challenged, he uses music as a way to connect and spread the awareness. Just before the lockdown two years ago, I was at the NSA speakers sales convention in the US and the keynote speaker that was Eric wine mayor. Are you familiar with him? Eric Weiner, he's an adventurer. He's climbed the Everest, he's gone through the Grand Canyon, rapid system, all sorts of crazy things, and he is blind. So if you're if you're looking at a role model globally, then Eric van Meyer absolutely stands right on top, not allowing his disability or converting that into a positive, he says, because I can't see my sense of hearing and smell is over amplified. Right. So nothing is impossible here. And all of us are evangelists, we are professional speakers, we go talk and convince folks to do the right thing, what you're doing with the no show, all three of you, that is knowledge, there is news, and there is also that knowledge and motivation, and the threat of being killed by a person. So what what is the so what is the problem? What is the challenge that that that physically disabled people are being marginalized and not employed? Is it a it's it's a matching issue, because the corporates who can employ are unable to comprehend the fact that these people can also be top performers. So whenever we try that, they say, oh, but how can he do, his productivity is going to be low. And my answer to that is, this person is not going to, of course, I'm talking about pre COVID days when we actually used to be, he or she is not going to take a smoke break, not going to spend time in the water cooler. When he or she works, they work for six hours for the productivity will be eight or nine hours. So do not count that based on the number of hours that they put in, look at the outcome. Look at the result. And when that logic comes through, automatically, a lot of corporate says yes, I would like to try. And there's another school of thought, Tim unfortunate for true that because he or she is visually challenged, I'm only going to pay him half the salary. Why? Because work that's going to come as you have the same targets, you've got the same productivity ratings, then why would you want to discriminate. So these are all challenges that we are trying to come through. But it again, comes down to creating an awareness, the people with disabilities have been suppressed so much because of the culture that it's of no use, you can't do anything else, that they are unable to lift their head, that nonprofits cannot think beyond manufacturing. So the only thing is okay, can you go do something with your hands, and the corporates don't know. So that's, that's got to be put together the government, every successive government makes the right noises puts the right laws in. But interpretation and implementation of the laws, especially in my country, are still weak. But and it's not just an India problem across the I'm an entrepreneur team, so are all of you here. That is the opportunity. We don't want attrition. We want people to stay on longer. So you've got to help these people who tend to stay on longer from a sense of loyalty and the fact that hey, you've helped me out. And at some point, we have to let them lose because there are other companies that can pay a lot higher. But can we act as a as a catalyst that changes? That is something that I would look at, and there are enormous jobs that are there. We've just put 100 jobs that come across the matrix of traditional versus knowledge sector on school versus schooled. We didn't call them educated, uneducated, some schools, some are not schooled, but what is it that Indian companies can offer? And I'd love if some of you could have a look at it and extrapolate it. We could work together to see what can the speaking world pick it up from what jobs can we create? What can we see? And what I'm talking about here Tim is not give them multi year contract, can you not give them a three month internship? Can you not try that out? And that gives each resource of confidence to go to To the next step, hey, good. So I earn $100 This month, I've done it for three months, can I set myself up to them $200 As a job or $300 as a job, which is still big money in India to contribute to a family? Yeah, I love it, you know, it's just about seeing the full potential in every person, regardless of where they come from, right. So the obviously the the idea of not even educating people, because they're not worth it, it takes away huge amounts of opportunity for them in their future. But yet, like in Australia, you know, I've seen people with disabilities who basically they run the route, they run the office, you know, they do everything, you know, you know, so these would be the the unschooled, or not capable of being schooled. But like, they can run an office, they can make sure all their coffee cups are clean, and they're the happiest people, then it's, it's a joy, but then, you know, visually in hearing impaired, that the technology is there, you know, that they can use so why, you know, of course, knowledge workers, right, it doesn't take anything away. But I think the issue is cultural. In Asia, and I don't know about the world, but like in I know, in Australia was in within my family, right? We're very open minded. Like, but I think people are still scared to be around people with disability that makes them feel uncomfortable. Yes. And I'm not talking to people who speak differently, who look different, you know, so it's not people who struggle with walking. I think visual and hearing impairment is people. They feel embarrassed, because they don't know how to communicate, right? So we've got to, we've got to look at ourselves and say, Well, I've got to sort myself out. And then looking looking at those opportunities, because there's so many things that people can do. And they did Simone de hacer he released a video where she was working with some adults with special needs doing some drives, you see that? It was beautiful. The most incredible actors. Yeah. The culturally how do we, and it's come so far, like Singapore, for me came a long way. 20 years, from when I first got there, where everything was hidden. I remember, like one US funeral. One of the his two children. One was Urbino. Who? grandchild, grandchildren, which is, is it a disability? It's, uh, you know, it doesn't. It doesn't stop them being able to do anything. But the other one was, I can't remember. But they were behind him. And he was the big hide it. Person. Right. Am I getting that wrong? Joe? Tim? I think I think it was right. It's in like, you know, putting up a front that was very much the Singapore way. And, you know, I think it reveals something about also the way how society deals with things. Because, you know, we always talk about how when you when you actually experience something, when you begin to change your perspective on things. I think that family also went through its own set of exposure to, to less than perfect ideas, or at least less than ideal. situations as far as the, the sense of story. As you know, and I think it doesn't mean you set out to create something, you you, you create perhaps a version of the story that does include all these challenges. And then when you start to experience them, you go like, Okay, I think I think we can be a bit more amenable about this or that or the other. So, what's happened I think for for Singapore in general is that like for disabilities, more people are experiencing disabilities, more people out there, and it becomes more something it's more normal to see. And it becomes something that you can do you then have to kind of deal with public transport begins to make accommodations for people with disabilities buildings are set out that way and people begin to learn to do the right thing. Because everybody's trying to learn to do the right thing in different circumstances. And then this is a new thing now that you try to learn right you try to you try to figure out how to behave around so it's it's yeah it's it's changing in Singapore we become definitely much more accommodating and with with me one of my children is in a in a wheelchair for most of the day so we have seen how people respond and sometimes don't as well to it. And part of it also is actually what what email the the person wants in the in the chair like for, for my child. You know, she's not particularly keen for people to give her too much of a leeway because of the wheelchair. You know, I sometimes joke to joke with her and talk about some of the things that that happened. to her because she gets the four wheel discount. And it used to be something that we could make a joke about. And now it's less funny to her, you know, as in, she doesn't want to get the four wheel discount anymore, that kind of thing. Alright, so it's a mix, you know, it's like treat me as treatment, but not all the time, you know, that kind of thing. Still having to do? Yeah. Yep. What I'm thinking, I'm thinking a lot of it again, it's the same sort of thing with the throwing the bottle of off the off the boat in a sense, it's it What are you exposed to? As you're growing up, because Andrew, you were talking about what you were exposed to growing up. And, and I think, Joe, you're explaining or parvenu, explaining how people are learning to learn how to deal with the to deal with the differences of ability in physical ability in our communities. And, and then other times, it's, you kind of take it for granted a little bit, my mum was a physiotherapist, when, when she moved to Malaysia with my dad, she was considered a trailing spouse couldn't get a work permit as a result, because she wasn't the one getting the work permit. So she then volunteered her physio services to what was then called the spastic center, and which then changed its name, thankfully, to the Multiple Sclerosis Society, and, and was then worked with multiple sclerosis, patients with multiple sclerosis, for the best part of our must have been 20 or 30 years. And as far as I can remember, and then, and even when they move back to Australia, continue to work. So Roy surrounded by her friends, who were some of the patients that she would be working with all the time, because this, this, this wasn't sort of patients that would come in for a few weeks and leave, this was every day. And they will come in for the mobility I've always enjoyed from stiffen up. And so for the stretching and the mobility into the movement, and pool sort of stuff. So in one sense, for me, it's, it's been kind of, and then I, I worked at a CEO was blind in one organization. It was a blind organization. So that kind of made sense. And it was it was a radio station for for blind people. And I was reading the news for, for blind people to have the full news and not just the, like the full articles from the newspaper, and not just the edited news from the radio station, which I thought was great. So I guess my point of all of that is, is if we've been surrounded by by the differences in physical ability, it kind of changes it. But but but if you haven't been surrounded by it, it can be up front to your own sense of how to be able to how to handle the situation, or the people in front of you, which is actually should be a learning opportunity for self. But sometimes, and I'm just what I was trying to think of earlier, Praveen, when you're explaining that the situation with organizations going, I don't know if they'll be able to do the work. I was trying to think, why would a boss make that call. And I think what they're thinking is, we're going to have to take care of this person, right. And, and so as a result, we're going to have to change the way that we do a lot of the things that we do to accommodate this person. So if we don't bring this person in, we have to change that. And so it's easier for us to come up with some other nonsense excuse or rationale that seems to have some sort of legitimacy, rather than the fact that we have to put ramps in and handles and, and be a bit more mindful of the boxes we leave around everywhere and all of that whatever it is, whatever the whatever the thing is, and so it's or are sort of banter or movie nights over. And how are they going to be involved in movie night? Well, you ask them exactly. After Movie Night. And I mean, they might go now what's happening all the time and you go, Okay, you can't do that night. But, but you know what I mean? So it's, it's, I have to work harder. We always have to work harder to change the things that matter. And most people aren't willing to work harder. You know, like 80% of people who apply to speak at the professional speakers events. I mean, so every time someone comes in and they say you know they because I was involved in so many. What's your advice? Is it work harder to recruit females? You have to work harder for it. That's just the way it But something like this, you just got to work harder for it. And also, I think, you know, when you feel uncomfortable, you got to think about that. You know, I think that's really important. Yeah. I think that's, that's really so why? Because I think this is really important point. Because it's about you. It's not about them. You know, like, I'm Mike, one of my tests was always to take my boyfriend's. And I think Steve was visited my dad's work on my dad's retirement week, right. And so when I go in, I mean, these guys have known me for 2030 years. And all of them, all of the guys wanted to marry me, right? And they brilliant, I used to just giggle so much. And so a bit of a test for the boyfriends like, come, come, come and see my dad at work, and how they coped with it. And they just couldn't cope with it. Because it was like, you know, and I'm like, no, no, come on. These are awesome. Humans, like these amazing people that, you know, they're so affectionate. They're so honest, they're so open, no one lies in this place, you know that they're incapable of lying. Just Just be open to it, you know, and, and address that. But I do think in Australia, we did get onto this earlier than most countries and that integration within society, because the exposure is what you need. They're not scary. My boys when from a young age, I remember the first time they saw a young lad with spina bifida really, really freaked him out. Because it's a pretty, it's a pretty full on sort of physical sort of experience for a kid in a wheelchair. Yeah, yeah. So for a little child seeing that for the first time. And I just constantly was talking to them about it and trying to help them understand what they were seeing. Because, you know, a person responded Beefeaters has, has a bright brain, their body just doesn't cooperate, right. And so we've just got to work hard. It's important because we're missing beauty. And it's usually at the center of our societies. And it's honest, and it's loving, and it's open. And I think they're magnificent. They're all of my experiences, magnificent, and I make them part of our world. It makes us all kinder. Absolutely. It's they're looking for empathy, not sympathy. Yes, a bit of empathy can go a long way. Tim, continuing from what you said, one of the positives of COVID Is it is now possible to work with somebody or provide work to somebody without sharing physical space with them. So bunch of the awkwardness gets off that tape, this is the work to be done, you know how it is? And when that comes back? know, that kind of thing? Yes, I think that's brilliant. And I think it just removes the barrier. And also, you know, if it's, if it's over zoom, or, or whatever else, you know, and and I think there's a great opportunity. So you're, it's almost like you're in the right place at the right time for this one, because, because the world is more open now to write work around all over the place. And if teams of people can get together and go, you know, what, are we passionate? What are we passionate about doing? And what can I do better than law? Right? You know, it's that and just because this is is not happening, that doesn't mean I can't do this better than everybody else, you know? Yeah. So the challenge then comes down to that. What are we calling it unschooled versus school so that those people who haven't had the opportunity to be given a skill in something, or, or whatever it is, and that's the that's the one that's, for me, that's the more pressing the the other one is about innovation, shorts about tolerance, not even tolerance, it's about understanding how, like Andrew was saying, we just got to do things better. But then, I guess it wasn't, I'm sorry, I'm thinking out loud here. But it's one of those things where Joe was sort of sharing the idea of, of, I don't want to be treated any differently. Right. And yet, in a sense, your call right now, you're, what you're asking for, is for people to look for ways you want people to be behave differently. I don't want to be treated differently, but I need you to behave differently. Right. So that so that you don't treat me as different, but as a valued member of your workforce, or potential candidate for your team. And I think your your idea about look at the results, you know, i What are you looking for here because I can produce these results. And I think there's an opportunity for entrepreneurs actually to create communities of workers that can deliver fantastic results for organizations and and to harness this talent pool. If if, which is why I said this the chapter those under under unschooled people, but But it can't just be about setting up, you know, an institution that does this work and where we've gotten a lot of blind people working there, or whatever the thing is, it's got to be like Andrew was saying, in Australia, they there's a lot more normalization, I suppose, by the fact that they're just part of the community. And that's normal. It's not abnormal, right? Normal. It's the, it's normal that a percentage of people are going to be in this situation. And they can still do amazing things. So we've got a member of APSs, Max, she's out of Australia. And she's blind, but she's doing keynotes and, and training programs and appearing on podcasts and writing books and doing all this sort of stuff. And he's amazing, amazing. she'll respond to you, and you post stuff on Facebook, she's responding to all the equipment there. So that demand, so she's, and that's why you should always use you should always capitalize your hashtags. Because for the visually impaired, they can read the capitals. So if you've got two words in a hashtag, you capitalize the second one. So yeah, but I think, you know, being open, being a being being open to other opportunities, you know, but we always have to remember that this, this goes back to our primal brains. And our unwillingness to accept a difference goes back is a primal thing, right? And that overcoming that is about is about humans raising their consciousness, from, you know, the times when a disabled child was left out to die, you know, is in historic in history. But that's that history is not that old. Oh, no, it's it still happens here. Still happens? Yeah. Well, they just terminate them now. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So but yeah, but like, Yeah, but being open to, you know, helping them by the way, providing if you've got somebody who's got great edit video editing skills, I'd love to meet them. Oh, sure. I'd be very happy to support someone. Sound sorry, I think, absolutely. Thanks for being what do you have? Do you have an employment service? Or are you working with people that are that are running employment agencies or trying to place people so this started in 2010, my wife, who's a social worker, turned an entrepreneur on social entrepreneur. And for my main company, we needed somebody to make calls. So 2010, we had two visually challenged people come in, it was a standard script, market research calls, not the pesky sales calls, or anything else, to interview to profile to fix up appointments, and the like. And that was the support center in two years, that team had grown bigger than the regular core team. And that's when I decided that hey, there is a bigger market, we can skill in provide employment to a lot more people. And the entire startup community in my city of Chennai jumped in saying I would like to support one I'd like to support too. And this became a corporate social initiative for my main entity. I think in the last eight, nine years, we have skilled and provided employment about 7073 people, and COVID put paid to that because that was the only division working with PCs. The rest of the company was in laptops, so it could go and you also need to factor in that these visually challenged hearing impaired people from very economical background moving into a city room of this size 10 People will be staying. So it is physically impossible for me to send the table and a PC to set it up in their house. Because there's just not enough space. So thankfully, with cloud and refurbishing older laptops, it's moved on. But COVID has also we had to pivot. So what we have now done is can we now look at Skilling and providing employment to 100 people with disabilities for this year. We are currently at 12 and we still have 10 more months to go by we work with the nonprofits to skill and please these people obviously there's no commercials involved. We just want more corporates to to get sensitized to start looking at so we received the request from the corporates and then figure out the nonprofits shortlist the people get the skilling and training done and then look at placing them on most of which was still happens remotely. So that's what we have been working on. Now. It's become a whole lot bigger mission. We have an entity called can do which is a placement service for Skilling and placing people with disabilities schooled and we have a nonprofit trust that is killing trying to train and create solopreneurs. So they can sit at their house and then do whatever is necessary on a table without movement, and then ship it across. So that's still a work in progress. This has been on for 1011 years now. And that's a quest that we want. There are several people who are doing similar stuff. There's a large BPO in Bangalore, employing 100 visually challenged people. There's miracle careers, as I said, it's happening, but nobody's talking about it. So we are in the process of bringing everybody in creating that empathy and awareness through all of you. Because if each of you commit to, to evaluate and provide skilled employment to a deserving candidate, even for one month or two months, that's still a major Phillip for each of them. Yeah. And get passes the test. I'm very happy. I mean, it's just yeah, you know, I love you pervane. But every time I every time I hear you speak, I love you more. It's just beautiful what you're doing. And that's what it takes, you know, it takes out focus, dedication, and commitment. And just hats off to you to you and your family. For a lot of people here I do. Yesterday, I met an entrepreneur, it was a networking meet, we've started face to face meetings. So it's one on one still, but she and her husband are doing it for rural women. You might have seen ladies wearing a red dot here. There are several connotations to it, I go with my grandfather, who was the most practical person he seen, that's those are Herbes, and that is something that is supposed to ward off, create more immunity. And you'd be surprised that US has gone and patented that particular herb for creating immunity. But this has been something that's going on that and they have caught rural women to use natural organic herbes and whatever these roots are to create that red dot that goes through. It's another matter that it's been taken on as different meanings and other parts of forms of thoughts of subrogation or whatever. But I'm getting down to the basics as to what why do we do that? But there are several small small families that are into it and not talking about it. And I had a ban and RIA from my wife that I can't talk about all the good work but the you keep your marketing to the business end of the things but the pandemic has shown that we will need to go ahead and talk and get a lot more into the fold. So that's why we stepped on it but every little helps. And when people asked me Do you have a selfish reason said yeah selfish reason called karma. So I have a solution for you, Praveen, yes you need more vegans Ah, yeah, just from this show by the way I've hired a hitman on this very show yeah all right. So we should we probably should head towards wrapping up. Yeah. So you had a salacious piece? Well, no, just it was just a story that I that I came across a bit today about a massage parlor which was a massage parlors the wrong word for it were a health spa was what they call it. That's what Tim was for the first RFR and what happened at the Health Spa was the the I don't know you know, have you ever been around Chinese New Year in Singapore and I'm sure in other parts of the world as well. You know, we're gonna have a haircut just before Chinese New Year the two weeks or a month before that you get the you get you get the charge where you pay you have to pay extra because your your for the for the haircut same stylists everything you know no tipping is like a bowl of it just make it a fish it was just beginning official policy right for the for the month leading up to it Praveen what a haircut is there was there was a story Oh, something similar happening in the massage parlor in other sisters health spa. But what happened was a little bit different. The the young gentleman had gotten by for regular massage, and he had he he had additional services got a press upon him by by the lady who was doing the massage and pressured him into receiving some manual manipulation, right? Well said Well said, not, not not, not by his request, but after some some some problems and pressure. You know, he, he's accustomed to it. But tell him tell me, the funny thing about the court is because it became a, it became a police case. And in the report, it was one of those things where the no regular massages were being offered because of the Chinese New Year period. Couldn't just have the normal massage, he had to have the special because it was Chinese New Year. So it was one of those great stories. Who did heat press charges? I know he reported I mean, he made he made a report early to to raged on right now, but outraged. So two people were quite upset are being forced into it. They were barely there was a very aggressive salesperson. And it was the woman herself coming in, you know, topless to the promoter services. It's a very complicated story because they tell this story. And then in the same article, they just talk about how so and so is now charged with allowing his mother to be giving massages without a license. And I go like, this is so much I'm gonna have to send that off to add it to the weekend rates. And it's in Singapore as well. So there you go. Yeah, exactly. Like a bad sitcom. Well, it's obviously time for a happy ending. So anything else you guys want to add? No, just spread smiles spread love. And more hugs. When Massoud Meet Joe, I was. What do you bought? That could have been a lot. So I'm going to start so I obviously finish. It's great. Okay. Very emotional. Final episode. Thank you for pushing me forward. But if you're not listening to it, I would suggest every now and again, check out the New Yorker podcast. So it's based on the New Yorker magazine. They're usually pretty short. Every now and again, there's a really interesting one on China. And the games are but also from a political perspective. But I sort of dip in and out of that one every now and again. It's pretty interesting if you guys ever had a listen. No, no. All right. All right, who's next? All right, this is what this this is what keeps you distracted. Ah, beyond the news. I'm an I'm in love with the Bill Smith, six episode series of National Geographic titled Earth where he travels across every episode with one expert. Absolutely Fabulous. Now, it's a family affair that we wait and see. Because they're only six episodes, we watch it together. I would strongly recommend it for us to know the miracles that are there in our world that we weren't even aware of before. So he jumps in. And that God hasn't. It's called Earth. For that, where he's underwater in a submarine. Yeah, I'm gonna put that in the movie. That's amazing. Ah, it's really nice and ultimate was Will Smith. So yeah, a shot was taken with the tiger sharks in but he was not in the water. The photographer takes it and he asked, Did I not? I hope I did not look scared. Show me somebody. So it was just being him and it was very nice. The way it has been directed. My daughter still prefers the Attenborough two Will Smith's but Bill star great jobs as a better narrator. I felt they will will need to work in his narration voice. Yes. Looking at within scan. All right. You want to checkout Tim? Now I'll defer to Joe while I think of another one. It's it's a show you don't have to see because the story can be found online but I watched him this in Tinder swindler on on Netflix quite a quite an interesting story about a guy who goes out there of course to to to con women into an amorous affair. But yeah, it's it's a real great example of Go big or go home right and just you have to, you have to just get I'd recommend watching it at 1.5 speed. Don't Don't waste that much of your bandwidth, your mental bandwidth on it, but that's just The plot is pretty spectacular. It's pretty amazing what happens. I won't spoil it too much of it, but I'll tell you that the first half is a little slow. And then it ramps up and when it gets to the end, you just can't believe that that's the end because what happens is your story is almost as unbelievable. Okay, there's a theme here, Joe. I can't quite put my finger on it. Ah Your favorite watches and your your music reads. Okay, okay. Oh, it led it led me to another thing which I wanted to show you that just talk about a very, very, very short time. You know how Shonda Rhimes has got Shonda land, right. And I think it's fair to say that if you talk about who you might look as as a kind of rival for attention in the same space for writer TV series creator, Aaron Sorkin might might come to mind. So Shonda has just released a series on on Netflix and it's called inventing Anna. And the lead character's name is Anna Sorokin. So going so bad and Sorkin is a is a con artist. And I just thought it was a little bit of tongue in cheek fun, perhaps. So maybe a little bit of a dig. Okay, interesting. Somebody has been commenting on LinkedIn. Giving you a big props for even saying clearly shows how empathetic he is. And what a lovely mood for being all the best to you and your team. So I'll be able to say that when we get off who's that he's from? No, you prevent my lack of empathy. So ah, no distractions for you then Tim. You know, I I, well, if it was It wasn't memorable enough to Yeah, to call to mind right now, but I think so. I don't think all right. Well, with that without a longer show. Yes. That was another distraction. I would strongly recommend I just love the book. Okay, Brian, when well, that's been Manchester United philosophy sadly, and they're not boring. Everything works I just it just doesn't logically make any sense to me. Alright, guys, it's time to say goodbye. This is a longer show yet. But of course, we've got ravine. So thank you so much for joining us next week. We've got Lindsey Adams. So that should be fun, too. I don't know what the theme is yet, but we'll wake it up. But really appreciate having you here. Sharing and being part of it. And hopefully you'll come back and visit us again. And TJ Thanks, guys. Thank you than usual for some reason. Okay. See All bye. All right. But I'm trying to remember what